Sony's Spider-Man 4 (sequel to "No Way Home")

[Andrew NDB]

Tom Holland talks reprising the part in a fourth movie:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/holland-talks-spider-man-4-possibility/

It's basically, "I'm playing hardball with Sony and want more money you can bet I'm gonna get it!"

[AquaParade]

Was bold of him to be like "I've been lying this whole press tour but here is the truth: idk if I'll play Spider-Man again."

Bruh. Your career, without Spider-Man, is pretty much nonexistent, until & unless Uncharted is a big hit. Which is a big ask.

Negotiations must be going hard. Unfortunately for Tom, I think Tobey and Andrew may be inadvertently stepping on his toes a bit.
Yes, at the end of the day, audiences probably want to see Tom continue most of all, but all the desire around Tobey and Andrew has probably emboldened Sony to feel that they don't necessarily need to pay Tom whatever he wants.

[Andrew NDB]

Bruh. Your career, without Spider-Man, is pretty much nonexistent, until & unless Uncharted is a big hit. Which is a big ask.

Oh, it's going to flop for certain. Actually, I bet that's what's going on. i.e., if Uncharted is a big hit, Tom has another franchise to lean on and he will be in a great place to ask Sony for more money. Now, if Uncharted fails bigtime... uh oh. Now Tom needs Spider-Man and he can't ask too much more in the money department because the gig is up.

[CyberCubed]

To be fair Tom Holland is only 25. A lot of actors don't get their biggest breakout roles until they're in their 30's. People are talking about Tom like he's already on his way out, the kid just started his acting career basically.

You don't know what he'll be doing when he's 30+ years old. Compare 25 year old Tom Cruise to what Tom Cruise has done now up to his 50's for example.

[AquaParade]

The offers start drying up when it becomes clear that you aren't a box office draw and Tom's latest films have not performed well critically or commercially.

If the guy wants to maintain a lifestyle he is likely becoming accusted to, he'll need big roles.

Especially looking at how unpredictable the film industry is right now, a guy like him should be clinging to Spider-Man...and likely is at the end of the day.

[IMJ]

He's a good actor. He was great as a kid in that typhoon disaster flick and that Netflix movie where he played a southern kid was really good (edit "The Devil All The Time").

But with that said, to keep audiences adopting him, he's going to be better off in small arthouse films. He's a Shiah Labouf - he'll do a solid artsy film or something, but Holland is another permanent man-child. He's not going to carry another blockbuster franchises as a leading man.

And I loved, loved, loved the original Uncharted games, but that movie looks like hot trash if on casting alone. Holland needs to hold onto Spider-Man as long as possible and then spend his in-between time making more small "artsy" flicks.

[CyberCubed]

I think the problem is despite Tom being 25 years old in real life...he still looks like a 15 year old. He really needs to age in real life to grow into better roles. In the Uncharted movie Nathan Drake is supposed to be in his 20's yet because Tom was cast it looks like I'm watching some 15 year old High school kid go globe trotting.

It's absolutely strange how he looks 10 years younger than he really is.

[AquaParade]

That's not really his issue unless there is only one type of character he wants to portray. If anything, it's a blessing in many ways.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the problem is despite Tom being 25 years old in real life...he still looks like a 15 year old. He really needs to age in real life to grow into better roles. In the Uncharted movie Nathan Drake is supposed to be in his 20's yet because Tom was cast it looks like I'm watching some 15 year old High school kid go globe trotting.

It's absolutely strange how he looks 10 years younger than he really is.

It's even weirder that Marky Mark is in it and he looks more like Nathan Drake than Tom does. It almost looks like Nathan Drake and Son than Nathan Drake and Sully Young.

[IMJ]

It's even weirder that Marky Mark is in it and he looks more like Nathan Drake than Tom does. It almost looks like Nathan Drake and Son than Nathan Drake and Sully Young.

Exactly. I'm not a big Walhburg fan to be honest, but him as Drake and, honestly I'm not kidding but Brent Spiner would've made a great Sully.

[neatoman]

Alright, let's pitch some ideas about what this could be based on what the previous movies implied:


Mac Gargan was introduced but hasn't become the Scorpion yet, meaning the fourth one could be a Scorpion story.
Vulture was aware of who Peter was but obviously isn't anymore, so that is either abandoned or a potential thing used to explain what people think happened if they don't know who Peter is.
Mysterio may be alive and in hiding, the statement by E.DI.T.H. was obviously really weirdly worded, so he could be manipulating things from behind the scenes.
A piece of the SUMC symbiote was left in the MCU, implying a version of the black suit arc.
Talos pretending to be Nick Fury but that was most likely just meant to be a lead-in to non-Spider-Man movies/shows.
Norman and Harry may not MCU counterparts, or are at least not as rich/famous as their Raimi counterparts. At the very least there is no Oscorp and they don't live in NYC.
Ned has magic and promises he won't become a Supervillain, which I'm guessing means he'll either become the Hobgoblin or Kingsley's puppet.
JJJ is becoming richer off his Anti-Spider-Man slant and seems to actively work against Spider-Man rather than just slander him.


Uhm... I'm gonna guess...
Peter gets the Black suit and notices the problems. The Fantastic Four get involved in removing it, just to be different from most other adaptations who use the belltower. Then Mr Fantastic can be the "mentor" this time around.
Kingsley gets in contact Mysterio and Vulture to figure out who Spider-Man is but obviously fails.
Kingsley does however manage to get Vulture's crew to salvage Norman's leftover Goblin tech to create the Hobgoblin persona. He also uses Mysterio's resources to manipulate Ned into becoming the fake Hobgoblin.
Since we have Mac around he can be the new Venom because there is no MCU Eddie and Flash is still too much of a turd to be either a villain or hero.
After credits can be JJJ hiring Smythe to create the Spider-Slayers or Ned becoming the Demogoblin due to the magic.
Probably won't have most of these ideas but it could easily have at least one of them.

[CyberCubed]

I'm glad there's no Green Goblin in the MCU, I can't sit through a third Green Goblin movie. Also now that the Avengers MCU connection is severed in-universe, we can see Peter Parker being Spider-man on his own like people wanted instead of feeling like Tony Stark Jr. or Dr. Strange's and Happy's sidekick kid hero or something.

Villains who have been used:

- Green Goblin (technically 3 times)
- Doctor Octopus
- Sandman
- Venom (two times)
- Lizard
- Electro
- Vulture
- Mysterio
- Carnage
- Kingpin
- Rhino

Scoprion is obviously long overdue, but doing a proper Rhino in the MCU feels obvious and something that needs to be done too. And I guess we'll see what they do with Venom.

I guess Shocker is one who can be introduced at some point.

[Andrew NDB]

I was really hoping it was going to turn out the MCU version of Norman Osborne would be the new owner of Avengers tower. Now? No clue. Fisk Tower maybe?

[AquaParade]

I'd like to see someone else take up the Shocker mantle.

I'm generally happy to move on though. I'd love to see more obscure characters get their time to shine. One that comes to mind is Miles Warren, but that's dangerous thinking, if you know what I mean.

I'd also like to see The Spot and Hobgoblin. And of course, there is Kraven, who is coming in some form.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like there's decent odds we may get D'onofrio's Kingpin yet in this movie.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I feel like there's decent odds we may get D'onofrio's Kingpin yet in this movie.

Whenever it happens....

[Autbot_Benz]

Destin Daniel Cretton is doing whatever a spider can.

The filmmaker behind Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings is in talks to sign on to direct Spider-Man 4. The move brings an end to speculation of who would spin the web for one of the biggest franchises in Hollywood.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-4-finds-its-director-1235995984/

[Andrew NDB]

Ehh... hardly an "Exciting" or "Comforting" pick but not a total loss.

[neatoman]

Cretton is also making that live-action Naruto movie, which being described as a total mess. Between that and Shang-Chi, it does make me a little worried.

[Andrew NDB]

Films next summer but comes out in 2027? Shesus. 6 years between films?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/tom-holland-spider-man-4-films-next-summer/

[XERO]

Films next summer but comes out in 2027? Shesus. 6 years between films?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/tom-holland-spider-man-4-films-next-summer/

Remember the good ol' days when we got an Iron Man movie and its sequel in the span of 2 years?

[CyberCubed]

I've forgotten, is Spider-man still in High School? Given his aging in real life they may have to skip ahead to his college years in the next movie. Isn't he almost 30?

[Andrew NDB]

I've forgotten, is Spider-man still in High School? Given his aging in real life they may have to skip ahead to his college years in the next movie. Isn't he almost 30?

It's been widely reported for a while now that he'll be in college in the new movie. They were doing a casting call for new classmates and all that.

[CyberCubed]

Looked up his age and I was right, he's 28 right now. So he'll be over 30 when the next movie comes out. Given he still looks young he can pull off being in his early 20's still, but they probably have to get moving. Seeing a "middle-age" Peter Parker going forward might be interesting.

[neatoman]

Looked up his age and I was right, he's 28 right now. So he'll be over 30 when the next movie comes out. Given he still looks young he can pull off being in his early 20's still, but they probably have to get moving. Seeing a "middle-age" Peter Parker going forward might be interesting.

If the MCU is still around 12 years (when he's 40), then it'll have lasted 28 years itself.

[Rabbit Kraken Zeo]

I think there's potential to have something on top of what we've seen but everyone wants to see venom vs spider-man, only I'd prefer garfield over holland in that regard. The last dance for venom is the last but spider-man 4 seems to be revolving around knull? I douno---I've heard different things about 4th. The only thing is i hope if tobey and andrew return they don't ruin the aspect of them appearing in no way home by oversaturation.

More garfield appearences would be nice but no way home really felt like a once in a lifetime. As far as spider-man 4 it sounds interesting i guess.

[Coola Yagami]

I think there's potential to have something on top of what we've seen but everyone wants to see venom vs spider-man, only I'd prefer garfield over holland in that regard. The last dance for venom is the last but spider-man 4 seems to be revolving around knull? I douno---I've heard different things about 4th. The only thing is i hope if tobey and andrew return they don't ruin the aspect of them appearing in no way home by oversaturation.



Apparently Tom Hardy is done with Venom after this one, but you never know. Or they could recast if they want to that route down the line. Kind of a shame since the Tom Hardy Venom already camoed in the MCU and vice versa.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently Tom Hardy is done with Venom after this one, but you never know. Or they could recast if they want to that route down the line. Kind of a shame since the Tom Hardy Venom already camoed in the MCU and vice versa.

If the Venoms were better movies Feige probably would have made Hardy in the MCU happen after the first movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/FWGQnus.jpeg

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Goodbye, street-level story

[Andrew NDB]

Goodbye, street-level story

Yeah, that short release window from Doomsday doesn't bode well for that. Though the rumors were already circulating a couple of months ago that Marvel "lost" the battle to make SM4 back-to-basics vs. Sony wanting things even bigger and more bombastic. Though both Tom and Zendaya have indicated the script blew them away, so who knows.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, that short release window from Doomsday doesn't bode well for that. Though the rumors were already circulating a couple of months ago that Marvel "lost" the battle to make SM4 back-to-basics vs. Sony wanting things even bigger and more bombastic. Though both Tom and Zendaya have indicated the script blew them away, so who knows.

I guess MJ will run into Peter and somehow fall for him again. Then we'll have the 'drama' of wether or not Peter will tell her he knew her from beforehand.

[ZariusTwo]

If it's set after Doomsday, it could be set on Battleworld, which means some elements borrowed from Renew Your Vows, where Peter and MJ were already together despite being separated at the time in the core universe.

[ZariusTwo]

At D23 Brazil, Kevin Fiege announced that, while he won't appear in this film, Miles Morales will be debuting in the MCU shortly after the Spider-Verse trilogy has wrapped.

https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/marvel-movies/marvel-boss-kevin-feige-confirms-when-he-plans-to-introduce-miles-morales-spider-man-into-the-mcu/

[neatoman]

At D23 Brazil, Kevin Fiege announced that, while he won't appear in this film, Miles Morales will be debuting in the MCU shortly after the Spider-Verse trilogy has wrapped.

https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/marvel-movies/marvel-boss-kevin-feige-confirms-when-he-plans-to-introduce-miles-morales-spider-man-into-the-mcu/

Why is everyone so obsessed with introducing character all the damn time?

[CyberCubed]

I'm pretty indifferent to Miles despite seeing him in multiple incarnations now. I mean he's a cool character, but I really don't see the excitement anymore. He really is just a black Spider-man, and after that wears off he's just kinda there.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm pretty indifferent to Miles despite seeing him in multiple incarnations now. I mean he's a cool character, but I really don't see the excitement anymore. He really is just a black Spider-man, and after that wears off he's just kinda there.

I seem to remember when he first came out, there was a lot of people upset at the SJW side of Miles in that he wasn't just black, but also half Korean or something Asian. Like, they tried to box-click so obviously and all at once. Yet all you hear about nowadays is that he's just black? Or did I imagine that stuff?

[ranger_scout]

Rumor has it that Jean Grey will be appearing in the film.

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1937003-spider-man-4-stranger-things-sadie-sink-x-men-character

[ZariusTwo]

Or the real Mary Jane Watson:P

[CyberCubed]

So Michelle Jones could get replaced by the real Mary Jane? Makes sense to go from a black girl to a white red head.

[IMJ]

She was "MJ". But she wasn't "Mary Jane". But she was.... and she wasn't. Woke $#!( at it's most confused finest right there.

[Andrew NDB]

IF she ends up being the real MJ, you can imagine how they'll play it. She'll be everything Peter wants, seems too good to be true, etc., but after some soul-searching, he realizes that FAKE MJ (Zendaya) is the one his heart really belongs to all along, so he finds some way to undo the spell OR just get her to fall in love with him all over again, kicking the real MJ to the curb.

[ZariusTwo]

She could also be playing a live-action Mayday Parker

[neatoman]

She could also be playing a live-action Mayday Parker

... With a different mother in that case?

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/e813N5C.jpeg

[ZariusTwo]

Oh does that ever evoke 'warm, fuzzy memoires...' [/sarcasm]

[ToTheNines]

Oh does that ever evoke 'warm, fuzzy memoires...' [/sarcasm]

HA! Yeah, cute title for the general audience… but a big slap in the face for Spidey fans.

[Andrew NDB]

If the Garfield movies hadn't happened it'd have been a great time to debut "The Amazing Spider-Man."

[Coola Yagami]

There has to be some scene where he somehow crosses paths with Ned and MJ.

[ZariusTwo]

There has to be some scene where he somehow crosses paths with Ned and MJ.

And Paul:P

[Andrew NDB]

Hulk and... Punisher?

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-4-punisher-hulk-jon-bernthal

[ToTheNines]

The Hulk rumor is lame. I’d rather see a classic Spidey villain.

[IMJ]

Now I'm wondering if this has anything to do with them introducing Mephisto allegedly in Iron Heart....

[oldmanwinters]

Hulk and... Punisher?

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-4-punisher-hulk-jon-bernthal

I'd still bitter about Hulk not having ANYTHING to do with CA: Brave New World, a sequel to his own movie. Now they might shove him into a Spider-Man movie?

[ZariusTwo]

Hulk and... Punisher?

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-4-punisher-hulk-jon-bernthal

A Punisher team-up is doable, he first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man as part of the original clone sag in the 70s

Maybe they're setting up the Jackal for a future movie?

[Andrew NDB]

If the current rumors are to be believed, Scorpion should be in there somewhere, as well.

[neatoman]

If the current rumors are to be believed, Scorpion should be in there somewhere, as well.

Not really surprising, they introduced Mac Gargan in the first one so why wouldn't they use him as Scorpion?

[Autbot_Benz]

Punisher is confirmed for the movie

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-jon-bernthal-1236296073/

Bernthal has joined Tom Holland in Spider-Man: Brand New Day, the latest Spider-Man movie from Sony and Marvel. Destin Daniel Cretton is directing the feature, which will shoot in England this summer and has a July 31, 2026, release date.

[Andrew NDB]

Punisher is confirmed for the movie

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-jon-bernthal-1236296073/

That's great news.

[Andrew NDB]

Feige confirms it will be a "street level" movie. So all that stuff before about Marvel wanting it to be street level and Sony wanting it to be more multiverse stuff and epic and Marvel losing the argument... was wrong.

https://collider.com/spider-man-brand-new-day-update-plot-punisher-tom-holland-kevin-feige/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLrVQFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHsZm8KaS_aXc fvmxYFnVtACzLHHMHLfZ9vDnXTW-G-GoTMXDcLMijn8VnX3V_aem_GeW2PBGga9jKWkwHePzf_w

[Andrew NDB]

Teaser for the teaser trailer, I guess.

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Sony can't wait to put out something that makes money again. It's been a while.

[ranger_scout]

Oh great...more of "The Gruffalo" :roll:

Mark Ruffalo Returning as the Hulk for ‘Spider-Man 4’ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-mark-ruffalo-1236232140/)

https://axelscheffler.com/media/pages/books-with-julia-donaldson/the-gruffalo/fc7d6c2bb3-1642776505/gruffalo-960x.png

[Andrew NDB]

Oh great...more of "The Gruffalo" :roll:

Mark Ruffalo Returning as the Hulk for ‘Spider-Man 4’ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-mark-ruffalo-1236232140/)

https://axelscheffler.com/media/pages/books-with-julia-donaldson/the-gruffalo/fc7d6c2bb3-1642776505/gruffalo-960x.png

That tracks. The same rumor that turned out to be true about Punisher mentioned the Hulk also. That Spider-Man and Punisher would be teaming up against the Savage Hulk. And the Scorpion rumor is true as well.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/its-true-all-of-it-gif.29896150/

[CyberCubed]

Hasn't Michael Mando aged quite a lot since his Spider-man cameo back in like...2017? Goddamn, that really was over 8 years ago now. I haven't seen anything he's been in since Better Call Saul ended either.

[Autbot_Benz]

That tracks. The same rumor that turned out to be true about Punisher mentioned the Hulk also. That Spider-Man and Punisher would be teaming up against the Savage Hulk. And the Scorpion rumor is true as well.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/its-true-all-of-it-gif.29896150/

As long as we are finally done with that stupid Smart Ruffalo Hulk I will be happy. Bring on the Hulk Smash Hulk

[Andrew NDB]

And will they give him some Just for Men for his gray hair? He's not supposed to be an old man yet, as much as they were previously itching to emasculate him and replace him with She-Hulk.

[ZariusTwo]

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[ToTheNines]

That tracks. The same rumor that turned out to be true about Punisher mentioned the Hulk also. That Spider-Man and Punisher would be teaming up against the Savage Hulk. And the Scorpion rumor is true as well.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/its-true-all-of-it-gif.29896150/

Ugh. We wanted Hulk in Brave New World, not this!

[IMJ]

I don't think we need Hulk in a Spider-Man flick at all to be honest.

This movie was finally supposed to be the "street level" MCU Spidey movie with a Spider unfettered by MCU continuity.

Honestly, they should embrace that all the way given how big Spider-Man's stable of characters really is.

[nidza_maj2000]

This could be one of best Spider-Man movies, since No Way Home is multiverse movie this could be street level movie with as much characters as in No Way Home but it is street level movie not multiverse movie

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/TxDL4gfD/IMG-20250805-190904.jpg

[ZariusTwo]

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[Daytona]

This will be the best Spider-Man film since the Raimi era and it’s about time.

[IMJ]

This will be the best Spider-Man film since the Raimi era and it’s about time.

How is it even possible to draw that conclusion at this point? Also, beating No Way Home is a truly tough thing to do - that wasn't all 'memberberries - it was a solid movie!

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, there is a lot that can go wrong here. It's a new director, there's no Aunt May and it looks like a whole lot going on.

[Coola Yagami]

I just don't see how the Punisher, a serious one at that, will fit alongside Tom's Spider-Man.

I know the Hulk can't have his own movie due to the rights or whatever, but I would have left him out until the Doomsday stuff. Putting him in this one gives us too much of a reminder that he should have been in that Captain America movie.

Is there an actual Spider-Man villain slated for this movie?

[ZariusTwo]

Is there an actual Spider-Man villain slated for this movie?

Scorpion is confirmed as a villain.

[nidza_maj2000]

I just don't see how the Punisher, a serious one at that, will fit alongside Tom's Spider-Man.

I know the Hulk can't have his own movie due to the rights or whatever, but I would have left him out until the Doomsday stuff. Putting him in this one gives us too much of a reminder that he should have been in that Captain America movie.

Is there an actual Spider-Man villain slated for this movie?
Well I think this movie will be good one of best Spider-Man movies probably

[nidza_maj2000]

How is it even possible to draw that conclusion at this point? Also, beating No Way Home is a truly tough thing to do - that wasn't all 'memberberries - it was a solid movie!

No Way Home is good movie and I think this movie will also be good and in my opinion all Spider-Man movies might be good in their own ways

[nidza_maj2000]

Yeah, there is a lot that can go wrong here. It's a new director, there's no Aunt May and it looks like a whole lot going on.
Let's give it a chance it might be good movie

[IMJ]

all Spider-Man movies might be good in their own ways

Sure! Spider-Man movies are like pizza - always enjoyable all of the time but some are clearly better than others. 8)

[ToTheNines]

Sure! Spider-Man movies are like pizza - always enjoyable all of the time but some are clearly better than others. 8)

I will disagree and say that Far From Home was an absolute piece of **** and it’s unlikely that I’ll ever watch it again.

I also think the Raimi movies are massively overrated, but I do enjoy them nostalgically.

[nidza_maj2000]

I will disagree and say that Far From Home was an absolute piece of **** and it’s unlikely that I’ll ever watch it again.

I also think the Raimi movies are massively overrated, but I do enjoy them nostalgically.
Why do you think so about Raimi movies and Far From Home?

[sdp]

All live action Spiderman movies this is including the "failed" Sony reboot have done more than 700. So This one will likely do around 700 even if it does the worst out of all the MCU Spidey movies. It's definitely not doing a billion unless they sneak in Toby Mcguire in there again but even then it'd be the second time they do it so the shock factor for that is gone.

[ToTheNines]

The Raimi movies get so much wrong from the comics, and no one seems to care for some reason. I also hate Maguire and Dunst in those roles, Tobey is so creepy looks every bit of 30 playing a high schooler.

The second one being propped up as some pinnacle of capesh*t blows my mind. It’s ok, but that’s it. That is NOT the Octavius from the comics. He’s a legitimately sweet man who got mind controlled by his invention. Which itself was just a retread of Green Goblin and the serum that drove him nuts. The video game was a GOAT PS2 game though.

Nothing to say about 3 that isn’t obvious.

Far From Home didn’t build from Homecoming at all. It was just a half assed cash grab riding on the coattails of Endgame. Hell, just Far From Home’s existence was massive Endgame spoiler, which was annoying.

The only important plot point from FFH that rolled over into NWH was Peter’s identity being exposed. Which could have just been written into a 5 second scene in Endgame and made FFH totally obsolete.

[Andrew NDB]

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[sdp]

This one was also a spider-man music video :lol:
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[nidza_maj2000]

The Raimi movies get so much wrong from the comics, and no one seems to care for some reason. I also hate Maguire and Dunst in those roles, Tobey is so creepy looks every bit of 30 playing a high schooler.

The second one being propped up as some pinnacle of capesh*t blows my mind. It’s ok, but that’s it. That is NOT the Octavius from the comics. He’s a legitimately sweet man who got mind controlled by his invention. Which itself was just a retread of Green Goblin and the serum that drove him nuts. The video game was a GOAT PS2 game though.

Nothing to say about 3 that isn’t obvious.

Far From Home didn’t build from Homecoming at all. It was just a half assed cash grab riding on the coattails of Endgame. Hell, just Far From Home’s existence was massive Endgame spoiler, which was annoying.

The only important plot point from FFH that rolled over into NWH was Peter’s identity being exposed. Which could have just been written into a 5 second scene in Endgame and made FFH totally obsolete.

Did you like his trip to Europe?

[IMJ]

I will disagree and say that Far From Home was an absolute piece of **** and it’s unlikely that I’ll ever watch it again.

I also think the Raimi movies are massively overrated, but I do enjoy them nostalgically.

Really? It was definitely the weakest of the Holland-Spider-Man appearances for sure, but I didn't think it was a trashfest! :lol:

I admit though that I've only seen it once and didn't feel the need to buy it.

The Raimi movies get so much wrong from the comics, and no one seems to care for some reason. I also hate Maguire and Dunst in those roles, Tobey is so creepy looks every bit of 30 playing a high schooler.

The second one being propped up as some pinnacle of capesh*t blows my mind. It’s ok, but that’s it. That is NOT the Octavius from the comics. He’s a legitimately sweet man who got mind controlled by his invention. Which itself was just a retread of Green Goblin and the serum that drove him nuts. The video game was a GOAT PS2 game though.

Nothing to say about 3 that isn’t obvious.

Far From Home didn’t build from Homecoming at all. It was just a half assed cash grab riding on the coattails of Endgame. Hell, just Far From Home’s existence was massive Endgame spoiler, which was annoying.

The only important plot point from FFH that rolled over into NWH was Peter’s identity being exposed. Which could have just been written into a 5 second scene in Endgame and made FFH totally obsolete.

I don't think anyone cared about the deviations in the Raimi movies because it was such a solid effort at bringing Spider-man to the big screen for the first time. And at the time they were visually amazing.

Definitely agree though that Far From Home was a cash grab... basically an empty "adventure" that had threads only from Peter dealing with the loss of Tony.

[Andrew NDB]

Spider-Man: GREAT.

Spider-Man 2: Even better! Mostly.

Spider-Man 3: Not great, but not as bad as a lot of people say.

Amazing Spider-Man: HORRIBLE movie.

Amazing Spider-Man 2: Even WORSE.

Spider-Man: Homecoming: Pretty good with some great moments sprinkled in there.

Spider-Man: Far from Home: Decent. I liked the stuff with MJ once she figures out he's Spider-Man.

Spider-Man: No Way Home: Total joy, of course.

Into the Spider-Verse movies: Protect Trans Kids? There's no such thing! Just parents who belong in prison. gtfoh

I don't think anyone cared about the deviations in the Raimi movies because it was such a solid effort at bringing Spider-man to the big screen for the first time. And at the time they were visually amazing.Tony.

Of course, superhero movies were held to a different benchmark back then. Just look at the Fox-Men or Cloud-actus.

The Raimi movies get so much wrong from the comics, and no one seems to care for some reason. I also hate Maguire and Dunst in those roles, Tobey is so creepy looks every bit of 30 playing a high schooler.

I don't get "Creepy" from Tobey at all and he seemed boyish enough in at least the first Spider-Man movie. He's kind of a weird dude to watch, though, with a lot of odd ticks. I was 100% OK with his Spider-Man but I think Kirsten Dunst was really miscast.

[nidza_maj2000]

Spider-Man: GREAT.

Spider-Man 2: Even better! Mostly.

Spider-Man 3: Not great, but not as bad as a lot of people say.

Amazing Spider-Man: HORRIBLE movie.

Amazing Spider-Man 2: Even WORSE.

Spider-Man: Homecoming: Pretty good with some great moments sprinkled in there.

Spider-Man: Far from Home: Decent. I liked the stuff with MJ once she figures out he's Spider-Man.

Spider-Man: No Way Home: Total joy, of course.

Into the Spider-Verse movies: Protect Trans Kids? There's no such thing! Just parents who belong in prison. gtfoh



Of course, superhero movies were held to a different benchmark back then. Just look at the Fox-Men or Cloud-actus.



I don't get "Creepy" from Tobey at all and he seemed boyish enough in at least the first Spider-Man movie. He's kind of a weird dude to watch, though, with a lot of odd ticks. I was 100% OK with his Spider-Man but I think Kirsten Dunst was really miscast.

Why you don't like Amazing Spider-Man movies?

[Andrew NDB]

Why you don't like Amazing Spider-Man movies?

Sh** scripts. They both feel like corporate product, not anything with a heart.

[nidza_maj2000]

Sh** scripts. They both feel like corporate product, not anything with a heart.
Well Amazing Spider-Man 2 was meant to setup shared universe with Spider-Man and his characters but it didn't perform well and that is why Sony and Marvel made a deal to bring new Spider-Man in MCU but you like how Amazing Spider-Man movie characters are written in Spider-Man No Way Home movie?

[Andrew NDB]

Well Amazing Spider-Man 2 was meant to setup shared universe with Spider-Man and his characters but it didn't perform well and that is why Sony and Marvel made a deal to bring new Spider-Man in MCU

No sh**.

but you like how Amazing Spider-Man movie characters are written in Spider-Man No Way Home movie?

There was definitely some lemonade made from lemons there.

[nidza_maj2000]

No sh**.



There was definitely some lemonade made from lemons there.

Sorry but I don't get what "lemonade made from lemons there" might mean?

[nidza_maj2000]

Also do you maybe agree with people who say that Spider-Man No Way Home made Amazing Spider-Man movies good?

[IMJ]

Also do you maybe agree with people who say that Spider-Man No Way Home made Amazing Spider-Man movies good?

I do.
I always felt like the ASM flicks gave Garfield too much "punk attitude" leeway. But NWH gave him an incredibly likeably portrayal and sort of helped the whole thing out a bit.

Although with that said, I was never a big fan of the ASM flicks to begin with. Not that they were bad as much as I was just apathetic about them - didn't even see them in theaters.

But yeah, NWH sort of redeemed Garfield in several ways.

[nidza_maj2000]

I do.
I always felt like the ASM flicks gave Garfield too much "punk attitude" leeway. But NWH gave him an incredibly likeably portrayal and sort of helped the whole thing out a bit.

Although with that said, I was never a big fan of the ASM flicks to begin with. Not that they were bad as much as I was just apathetic about them - didn't even see them in theaters.

But yeah, NWH sort of redeemed Garfield in several ways.

Yeah and also Lizard and Electro?

[CyberCubed]

Into the Spider-Verse movies: Protect Trans Kids? There's no such thing! Just parents who belong in prison. gtfoh.

So are you saying both Into the Spider-verse movies are WOKE?

[Deception]

Never cared about Raimi trilogy. Never liked McQuire and Dunst as Parker and MJ. They just don't click with those characters and by themselves they don't look interesting, IMO.

Garfield was good in both ASM movies, but if the first movie was relatively good, second was abysmal, despite some cool moments. Also, Garfield doesn't really ring a bell as a typical school loser, but after McQuire he felt like a breath of fresh air.

Holland trilogy was all over the place. First movie was genuinely interesting and good, second was pretty bad and felt like it was set up for gags, third was pure fanservice, but it was a damn good fanservice, really liked it. Haters can **** off.

Not really sure where they'll go with a fourth movie, but it probably won't be worse than the second one.

Spider-Man 1-2-3 - all mediocre.
ASM 1 - good.
ASM 2 - awful.
MCU Spider-Man - good.
MCU Spider-Man 2 - bad.
MCU Spider-Man 3 - amazing. Spectacular even.

[Andrew NDB]

So are you saying both Into the Spider-verse movies are WOKE?

Not really. I didn't find anything off-putting in the first movie, but no way am I giving that second one any clicks.

Not really sure where they'll go with a fourth movie

We already kind of know. Spider-Man and Punisher (probably after an initial misunderstanding/scuffle which is customary) teaming up against Savage Hulk and Scorpion. Limited part for MJ this time. Sadie Sink most likely playing Gwen Stacy.

[Barkworm]

The second Spider-Verse film was probably the best Superhero film I've seen in years.

[neatoman]

The second Spider-Verse film was probably the best Superhero film I've seen in years.

... How many years would that be?

[ZariusTwo]

Across the Spider-Verse is good for the Peter B and Mayday stuff but honestly makes all the Spiders look bad/stupid and the "canon event" s*it doesn't make any sense and does a lot to limit creativity.

[IMJ]

Across the Spider-Verse is good for the Peter B and Mayday stuff but honestly makes all the Spiders look bad/stupid and the "canon event" s*it doesn't make any sense and does a lot to limit creativity.

Yeah the first one was entertaining in it's own way. The characters where all likeable and Sony really found something unique with the entire art direction - basically the first to do it in a novel way. I can see how and why a new generation of Spider-Man fans might have come about from that cartoon.

The second one? Felt more like a forced cash grab using a multiverse concept that they were stretching to give lore to.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah the multi-verse concept really got blown out of proportion with the second one, it was one of my only complaints with movie. That and the animation going crazy at times with 3D topsy turvy and multiple colors and flashes...I felt like I was having a seizure at certain scenes.

[IMJ]

Which one is worse? The dismal twisty awfulness of the 2nd Into the Spider-Verse flick or watching a Bayformer transform during a battle? :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Man, this makes me smile. Especially after just doing a fresh Punisher re-watch with my daughter.

https://i.ibb.co/DPy9Q6kk/pun.jpg

And how crazy is it that Bernthal and Holland were both on set, like a couple or 3 weeks ago on set for Nolan's "The Odyssey"?

[Autbot_Benz]

Man, this makes me smile. Especially after just doing a fresh Punisher re-watch with my daughter.

https://i.ibb.co/DPy9Q6kk/pun.jpg

And how crazy is it that Bernthal and Holland were both on set, like a couple or 3 weeks ago on set for Nolan's "The Odyssey"?

Is that Punisher’s Tactical Van ?

Also Andrew not sure if you collect Marvel Legends at all but this is coming out in the fall

https://i.imgur.com/fg71k0q.jpeg

Also there will be another Bernthal punisher. When the Brand New Day figs come out

[Daytona]

I might actually like this one. Loving the practical effects. The last Spidey movie I enjoyed was Homecoming.

[Andrew NDB]

Is that Punisher’s Tactical Van ?


Yeah! The Punisher van. Though it's weird... in other set pics he has the skull logo on the hood and it has different stuff on top of it.

[Andrew NDB]

Florence Pugh is probably in it.

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/as-florence-pugh-joins-spider-man-brand-new-day-cast-there-are-signs-its-been-in-the-works-for-a-while-a223437?fbclid=IwY2xjawMTGe1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkE TFGeVB0VXczWFp5SEtYWDZYAR6i3lfnV-tA1BTqWmlo-ca5sehAs5Iefqs4HGXuTq9atvTRZc9r30uBtPUBdA_aem_uV5P EBjVSbIJm7d66iY8pg

[CyberCubed]

So instead of a Spider-man film it's yet another avengers team-up film with Hulk, Punisher, Yelena and probably more appearing in it. Man they're never going to let Spider-man stand on his own again, are they?

[sdp]

They can't afford to, they need these movies to reach a certain profit. The comic book movies became likes the comics, they can't get people interested in spending money unless it's some big event that ultimately doesn't matter and has characters from the whole universe.

[ToTheNines]

So instead of a Spider-man film it's yet another avengers team-up film with Hulk, Punisher, Yelena and probably more appearing in it. Man they're never going to let Spider-man stand on his own again, are they?

I know. I loved No Way Home as an event movie, but I especially loved the ending and the promise of finally getting a back-to-basics Spidey after his fun but unconventional introduction to the MCU.

Then they turn around and make Spidey 4 another event. And with Spidey 5 most likely coming out in 2028… I’d bet good money it’s a black-suit movie.

[IMJ]

I'm getting nostalgic for the old Toy Biz Punisher van. I sold mine decades ago now. Wish I didn't!

[Coola Yagami]

Isn't it some sort of contract thing where the Tom Holland films can't be standalone Spidey films and is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU?

[Andrew NDB]

Isn't it some sort of contract thing where the Tom Holland films can't be standalone Spidey films and is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU?

I don't think so. But obviously, since the chances Feige has to actually use Spider-Man IN the MCU are confined to just the Spider-Man movies and Avengers movies, he probably wants to make "the most" of them while he can. And it's not like Sony would be adverse to Marvel rubbing actual MCU stuff over their character with how everything else they've tried solo has failed spectacularly.

Seems like kind of an overall bad deal for Sony, though, since it only seems to work in one direction. A better deal for Sony would have been, "OK, you can independently from us make these Spider-Man movies in the MCU... but in between these movies, we at Sony get to use Spider-Man -- same character and actor -- in all of our own homegrown stuff."

[IMJ]

Isn't it some sort of contract thing where the Tom Holland films can't be standalone Spidey films and is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU?

That's the Hulk through Universal.

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like it's been confirmed that Punisher does have some kind of female partner in this off the bat. First of all... why? But also who? It's either somebody he meets in the Punisher special or, OR... my hope is that it is the girl from Punisher season 2 that he protected. And that was a hell of an actress.

*edit: maybe whoever it is, they get killed off pretty quickly, making Punisher more murderous toward whoever is responsible, making it harder for Spider-Man to reel him back.

[Coola Yagami]

That's the Hulk through Universal.

No, that's different. Hulk can't have a legit Hulk movie. Spider-Man is allowed to have his own movies where he's the main character, but the condition is you still throw in all the MCU characters and references. It can't be 100% stand-alone.

[IMJ]

Isn't it some sort of contract thing where the Tom Holland films can't be standalone Spidey films and is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU?

That's the Hulk through Universal.

No, that's different. Hulk can't have a legit Hulk movie. Spider-Man is allowed to have his own movies where he's the main character, but the condition is you still throw in all the MCU characters and references. It can't be 100% stand-alone.

Well. Braniac. I was responding to your post as you f'n wrote it.

It's some sort of contract thing where the Hulk films can't be standalone Hulk films. And so he is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU.

[ZariusTwo]

Holland was reportedly concussed during filming

[Coola Yagami]

Well. Braniac. I was responding to your post as you f'n wrote it.

It's some sort of contract thing where the Hulk films can't be standalone Hulk films. And so he is forced to have cameos and whatnot from the overall MCU.

I mean, it's close, but a tad different. Spider-Man can have his own movies, but with cameos. Hulk can't have his movies at all, and can only be cameos or part of an ensemble cast.

[IMJ]

Yeah.
Okay, Dromer.

[KaraiLover09]

Yeah.
Okay, Dromer.

lmao

Ten peeps.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah.
Okay, Dromer.

Oh geez. But I mean, you're right, fellow Dromer.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/spider-man-brand-new-day-casts-into-the-spider-verse-and-black-lightning-star-as-the-villainous-tombstone-a223968

Marvin Jones III is playing Tombstone. He voiced Tombstone in one of the spiderverse films. He also played Tobias Whale in Black Lightning

[Coola Yagami]

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/spider-man-brand-new-day-casts-into-the-spider-verse-and-black-lightning-star-as-the-villainous-tombstone-a223968

Marvin Jones III is playing Tombstone. He voiced Tombstone in one of the spiderverse films. He also played Tobias Whale in Black Lightning

Kinda interesting using one of the less-flashier villains. I mean other than his appearance and strength, he stands out as much as Hammerhead does. No wings, metal arms, pumpkin bombs and whatnot. I'm assuming Tombstone can hire some of the flashier types as his goons to send after Spider-Man. Hell maybe hire Shocker and get him his actual outfit this time.

[Andrew NDB]

Michael Mando seen on set:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/garfield-talks-holland-films-spider-man/

[Andrew NDB]

And there it is, Mark Ruffalo seen filming on set.

https://cosmicbook.news/mark-ruffalo-hulk-first-look-spider-man-brand-new-day?fbclid=IwdGRzaANj2pxjbGNrA2PajGV4dG4DYWVtAjExA AEe93HxsRQxzYNa-H9MF0-fri_Z5muVQGZ_-jDTK8ScPq0mThXrUDAdN_cxNL4_aem_t8es56ZCI5pDw0_vTai Q0w

lol... yep, all of the rumors are proving to be true about this movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Brand New Day's Sadie Sink is reportedly returning for Secret Wars, fuelling further speculation her secret role is that of either Mayday or Annie-May Parker


https://comicbookmovie.com/avengers/avengers-secret-wars/spider-man-brand-new-day-star-sadie-sink-officially-cast-in-avengers-secret-wars-a224944

[Andrew NDB]

Brand New Day's Sadie Sink is reportedly returning for Secret Wars, fuelling further speculation her secret role is that of either Mayday or Annie-May Parker

I have no idea who either of those characters are.

[ZariusTwo]

I have no idea who either of those characters are.

Peter and Mary Jane's daughters in alternate universes.

Mayday came first in the MC2 Timeline, she was the kid Peter and MJ almost had during the Clone Saga, she became Spider-Girl later in life.

Annie-May is from a timeline where Peter and MJ would have had a second child if they remained together. She was born on Battleworld, which is a big part of the Secret Wars event in the comics. She also became a superhero called SpiderLing and was eventually put in charge of the great web.

[Andrew NDB]

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Sadie Sink is Jean Grey, sounds like. This is the same guy that called Punisher and Hulk.

[Autbot_Benz]

mK19NwItHUQ

Sadie Sink is Jean Grey, sounds like. This is the same guy that called Punisher and Hulk.

Yuck Nerdrotic he is the worst of the YouTube grifters

[ZariusTwo]

The teaser for this leaked, and in worse quality than the Avengers one a day ago.

I caught bits of it, there are homages to the covers of Amazing Fantasy#15 and the first official issue of the Brand New Day era of Spidey comics in some of the live-action shots, Peter battling the Hand, and it appears Sadie is playing a villain of sorts, though her identity and motive is still unclear

[ToTheNines]

Synopsis is out:

"Four years have gone by since we last caught up with our friendly neighborhood hero. Peter Parker is no more, but Spider-Man is at the top of his game keeping New York City safe. Things are going well for our anonymous hero until an unusual trail of crimes pulls him into a web of mystery larger than he’s ever faced before. In order to take on what’s ahead, Spider-Man not only needs to be at the top of his physical and mental game, but he must also be prepared to face the repercussions of his past!"

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/spider-man-brand-new-day-synopsis-teases-a-web-of-mystery-and-repercussions-from-peter-parkers-past-a226487

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze, a four year in-story gap? Even right after the blip?

[ToTheNines]

Jeeze, a four year in-story gap? Even right after the blip?

Yeah, Far From Home and No Way Home take place in Summer and December of the same calendar year. 4 years later will put BND shortly after Thunderbolts, so that adds up.

It does feel weird though.

[Andrew NDB]

Just seems pretty needless. 6 months after "No Way Home" or a year, tops, would be fine. But 4 years? That would be like the entirety of someone's whole high school tenure, or even college. Why leap frog over that when you don't have to?

[ToTheNines]

Yeah that's what people online are speculating, that they're just completely skipping Peter's college career.

[Andrew NDB]

It's kind of becoming a trope with superhero movies. Juuuust when [fill-in-the-blank superhero] is about to become their "ideal" self there's a huge time gap and they become something entirely entirely or start thinking about retirement or are just forcibly replaced.

Like the Nolan Batman movies. You finish Dark Knight, like, "OK, great. Batman is now fully Batman and we're ready to see at least a movie or two of him at his peak doing peak Batman stuff" but then nope, it's 8 years later suddenly and his joints hurt and time for the retirement movie.

Captain America similarly, too. "OK good, now all the baggage of Civil War and Winter Soldier and Infinity War and all that is done, we can FINALLY get some 'pure' solo Captain America movies now." NOPE! Let's immediately make him an old man and retire him right as we get there for some reason.

Snyder's Superman, too. "OK, Superman JUST became Superman like 5 minutes ago on the world stage in Man of Steel, so I can't wait to see what the next Superman movie will be like now that he's freshly embraced his role in the world!" NOPE! Time for "The Death of Superman" right away.

So, so stupid. Why do they do this?

[ToTheNines]

It's kind of becoming a trope with superhero movies. Juuuust when [fill-in-the-blank superhero] is about to become their "ideal" self there's a huge time gap and they become something entirely entirely or start thinking about retirement or are just forcibly replaced.

Like the Nolan Batman movies. You finish Dark Knight, like, "OK, great. Batman is now fully Batman and we're ready to see at least a movie or two of him at his peak doing peak Batman stuff" but then nope, it's 8 years later suddenly and his joints hurt and time for the retirement movie.

Captain America similarly, too. "OK good, now all the baggage of Civil War and Winter Soldier and Infinity War and all that is done, we can FINALLY get some 'pure' solo Captain America movies now." NOPE! Let's immediately make him an old man and retire him right as we get there for some reason.

Snyder's Superman, too. "OK, Superman JUST became Superman like 5 minutes ago on the world stage in Man of Steel, so I can't wait to see what the next Superman movie will be like now that he's freshly embraced his role in the world!" NOPE! Time for "The Death of Superman" right away.

So, so stupid. Why do they do this?

Yes, I hate **** like this. It's the opposite of worldbuilding.

More examples off the top of my head:

- Ghostbusters II

- Avengers 1 has them all split up at the end, but Age of Ultron at least revealed they got back together and had been fighting Hydra for a year after the events of Winter Soldier.

- Mother ****in Force Awakens and Last Jedi... bleh

[Andrew NDB]

- Ghostbusters II

lol... yes, whether it's from the end of Ghostbusters 1 ("Now that the Ghostbusters have 'made it' and saved the city, I can't wait for what big ghost busting adventures are next now that everyone knows they're legit is!") or it's from the end of Ghostbusters 2 ("YAY! The Ghostbusters are back and NOW they're legit for sure. Can't wait for Ghostbusters 3 where they don't have to worry about going out of business and they're in their prime and all. Probably won't take long at all to see it, either!" And then it ends up taking 30 years to get the movie and they're out of business again, all retired and one of them dead. And it's mostly about the dead one being a bad father instead of any big ghost-busting adventure, lol.

Avengers 1 has them all split up at the end, but Age of Ultron at least revealed they got back together and had been fighting Hydra for a year after the events of Winter Soldier.

Yeah, they seem weirdly fascinated by breaking up the Avengers, over and over again. It's like reaching a destination needs to be an immediate call to deconstruct everything, every time.

[oldmanwinters]

It's kind of becoming a trope with superhero movies. Juuuust when [fill-in-the-blank superhero] is about to become their "ideal" self there's a huge time gap and they become something entirely entirely or start thinking about retirement or are just forcibly replaced.

Like the Nolan Batman movies. You finish Dark Knight, like, "OK, great. Batman is now fully Batman and we're ready to see at least a movie or two of him at his peak doing peak Batman stuff" but then nope, it's 8 years later suddenly and his joints hurt and time for the retirement movie.

Captain America similarly, too. "OK good, now all the baggage of Civil War and Winter Soldier and Infinity War and all that is done, we can FINALLY get some 'pure' solo Captain America movies now." NOPE! Let's immediately make him an old man and retire him right as we get there for some reason.

Snyder's Superman, too. "OK, Superman JUST became Superman like 5 minutes ago on the world stage in Man of Steel, so I can't wait to see what the next Superman movie will be like now that he's freshly embraced his role in the world!" NOPE! Time for "The Death of Superman" right away.

So, so stupid. Why do they do this?

Yes, I hate **** like this. It's the opposite of worldbuilding.

More examples off the top of my head:

- Ghostbusters II

- Avengers 1 has them all split up at the end, but Age of Ultron at least revealed they got back together and had been fighting Hydra for a year after the events of Winter Soldier.

- Mother ****in Force Awakens and Last Jedi... bleh

Sounds like Hollywood won't greenlight a movie unless it's somewhat of an underdog "journey."

[neatoman]

So what do you think of the rumor that Sadie Sink's characters is:
Jean Grey?
Personally, I'd say a Spider-Man movie is not the appropriate movie to introduce her in.
And it just reminds me of that weird episode of that Teenage Iron Man cartoon in which Jean Grey is introduced under an alias and is only revealed to be Jean right at the end, which was just... I don't understand why that was being kept a secret, the villain of the episode was Magneto, it's not like there weren't X-Men connections there.
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[Andrew NDB]

So what do you think of the rumor that Sadie Sink's characters is:
Jean Grey?
Personally, I'd say a Spider-Man movie is not the appropriate movie to introduce her in.

Last I saw was that that rumor was un-confirmed and she is going to be some other Summers sister or something? Nothing particularly exciting. But also some of her deflections about, "Why would you assume my hair color wouldn't be changed?" also pointed things towards Gwen Stacy.

[neatoman]

Last I saw was that that rumor was un-confirmed and she is going to be some other Summers sister or something? Nothing particularly exciting. But also some of her deflections about, "Why would you assume my hair color wouldn't be changed?" also pointed things towards Gwen Stacy.

Like Cyclops' cousin or something?

[Xav]

Just seems pretty needless. 6 months after "No Way Home" or a year, tops, would be fine. But 4 years? That would be like the entirety of someone's whole high school tenure, or even college. Why leap frog over that when you don't have to?Actors age, Tom Holland is almost 30. How long do you expect him to play a teenage for?

[Andrew NDB]

Actors age, Tom Holland is almost 30. How long do you expect him to play a teenage for?

Probably another 10 years. Look at him. He's a weird looking dude. Plus, yeah... recast at a certain point. You certainly don't retire Peter Parker because the actor ages out.

[IMJ]

"They are going to make him do this until he's 90"....

[Coola Yagami]

"They are going to make him do this until he's 90"....

At the rate Holland is going he'll look 50 by the time he's 90.

[ZariusTwo]

There's a Marvel story where Peter's still active as Spidey in his 60s.

[Daytona]

Idk how this film will turn out but it’s the most excited I’ve been for a Spider-Man movie in a long time. The tonal shift and new director is exciting. I think Homecoming is a great movie but after that one the director, John Watts, lost my interest. Far From Home was just bad and I should have loved No Way Home but wasn’t able to.

From what I’ve heard of this movie it sounds like it could go either way but I’m glad we are at least taking the gamble and doing something fresh.

[Andrew NDB]

As long as this basically makes good on the promise of the last 3 minutes of No Way Home then we should be OK.

[Galactus]

Just seems pretty needless. 6 months after "No Way Home" or a year, tops, would be fine. But 4 years? That would be like the entirety of someone's whole high school tenure, or even college. Why leap frog over that when you don't have to?

I think it's dumb but people have been been begging for Peter to be an adult in the movies for years. If it's true they're skipping the college years then I think they are just giving fans what they want. Also since they've established MJ and Ned as attending MIT if you want them in the movie it makes sense that they've graduated and moved back to NY.

Like the Nolan Batman movies. You finish Dark Knight, like, "OK, great. Batman is now fully Batman and we're ready to see at least a movie or two of him at his peak doing peak Batman stuff" but then nope, it's 8 years later suddenly and his joints hurt and time for the retirement movie.

I would argue the Nolan Batman was fully realised at the end of Batman Begins. The big break Bruce was partly due to Nolan's commitment to 'realism' that someone couldn't be Batman for years without incurring permanent injuries. Mostly though it was they could pull from the ultra popular The Dark Knight Returns.

Snyder's Superman, too. "OK, Superman JUST became Superman like 5 minutes ago on the world stage in Man of Steel, so I can't wait to see what the next Superman movie will be like now that he's freshly embraced his role in the world!" NOPE! Time for "The Death of Superman" right away.

Same thing. WB have been desperate for years to adapt The Death of Superman as it sold a lot back in the day and think it would make huge numbers at the box office. If they smoosh it together with The Dark Returns all the better in their minds.

Captain America similarly, too. "OK good, now all the baggage of Civil War and Winter Soldier and Infinity War and all that is done, we can FINALLY get some 'pure' solo Captain America movies now." NOPE! Let's immediately make him an old man and retire him right as we get there for some reason.


In this case it was because the actor was tired of the role and wanted to quit. Sure, you could have him ride off into the sunset with Sharon Carter (his actual main love interest in the comics) but then we'd be wondering why isn't Steve coming out of retirement every Avengers level threat.

I know you've Marvel Studios should just recast but some actors are too tied to certain roles that the audience will never accept a new actor. Besides, from a narrative perspective I think Steve had to an ending. The MCU has done the previously unthinkable of getting general cinema go-ers to accept a lot of comic book tropes but I think people really expect stories to have...well, endings. Endgame would have been a huge disappointment if there had been no long-term consequences. There are many that argue that the reasons comic books don't is their cyclic nature were nothing is ever permanent and everything always reverts back to the status quo.

[ToTheNines]

lol... yes, whether it's from the end of Ghostbusters 1 ("Now that the Ghostbusters have 'made it' and saved the city, I can't wait for what big ghost busting adventures are next now that everyone knows they're legit is!") or it's from the end of Ghostbusters 2 ("YAY! The Ghostbusters are back and NOW they're legit for sure. Can't wait for Ghostbusters 3 where they don't have to worry about going out of business and they're in their prime and all. Probably won't take long at all to see it, either!" And then it ends up taking 30 years to get the movie and they're out of business again, all retired and one of them dead. And it's mostly about the dead one being a bad father instead of any big ghost-busting adventure, lol.

Yeah, very frustrating.

I do like Afterlife, but my headcanon will always be that Ghostbusters 3 (aka The Video Game) takes place 2 years after II. Then the IDW comics span 7 years after that.

Of course they end rather unceremoniously, but I just assume business dries up and things fizzle out.


I would argue the Nolan Batman was fully realised at the end of Batman Begins. The big break Bruce was partly due to Nolan's commitment to 'realism' that someone couldn't be Batman for years without incurring permanent injuries. Mostly though it was they could pull from the ultra popular The Dark Knight Returns.

Realized enough, but there’s only one year between Begins and TDK, which is basically nothing. Then you have an 8 year gap between TDK and Rises, but the movie assures you that absolutely nothing happened.

Except FAKE Robin joined the city police.

[Barkworm]

It‘s mind-boggling how bad Rises is.

[Daytona]

I am highly tolerable of Rises, for whatever reason. Maybe I’m a sucker for some of the music and visual experience. I love seeing Batman vs Bane, I love the intro scene despite it being a bit ridiculous, I love seeing citizens of Gotham remember Batman with chalk drawings and statues. I just like the tone and seriousness that Nolan brings to Batman even if I do see some of Rises flaws.
It’s definitely a step down from The Dark Knight imo but it’s not quite as painful as going from Raimi’s Spider-Man 2 to Spider-Man 3. I mean, I actually enjoy Spidey 3 as well, but it’s a bumpy ride watching both films back to back.

[Andrew NDB]

Realized enough, but there’s only one year between Begins and TDK

Even if so, we JUST got that realized Batman at the end of Begins. And then it's time for the big Joker movie.

It'd be like being a kid, building your favorite action figure limb by limb... then when you're done building it, your parents take it away immediately.

Then you have an 8 year gap between TDK and Rises, but the movie assures you that absolutely nothing happened.

So dumb. The end of Dark Knight made me just think, "Oh OK, Batman just has to be extra careful now when fighting criminals because now the cops are gunning for him for a while, too, until this blows over or gets cleared up." In no way at all did I take that ending to mean, "Batman is retiring, effective immediately." I was also fairly sure we'd even pick up not long after Dark Knight with a mostly-fine Two Face still around because that "Death" was pathetic.

The Dark Knight Rises has a ton of flaws, but only really on a fundamental level. Like, this is NOT the movie we should be getting this early. We're missing one, maybe two Batman movies in the middle here.

But I really like what they did with Bane and Talia, overall. I'd have much preferred Bane to actually take venom and it be a supersteroid, though, of course.

[Coola Yagami]

Even if so, we JUST got that realized Batman at the end of Begins. And then it's time for the big Joker movie.

It'd be like being a kid, building your favorite action figure limb by limb... then when you're done building it, your parents take it away immediately.



So dumb. The end of Dark Knight made me just think, "Oh OK, Batman just has to be extra careful now when fighting criminals because now the cops are gunning for him for a while, too, until this blows over or gets cleared up." In no way at all did I take that ending to mean, "Batman is retiring, effective immediately." I was also fairly sure we'd even pick up not long after Dark Knight with a mostly-fine Two Face still around because that "Death" was pathetic.

The Dark Knight Rises has a ton of flaws, but only really on a fundamental level. Like, this is NOT the movie we should be getting this early. We're missing one, maybe two Batman movies in the middle here.

But I really like what they did with Bane and Talia, overall. I'd have much preferred Bane to actually take venom and it be a supersteroid, though, of course.

I think maybe Heath's passing had a big thing to do with that. I was expecting somewhere in TDKR to mention that Joker was what had led to Harvey's death. At least something like 'because of that madman' if they were too afraid to mention the name out of respect for Heath or whatever. And naturally we got no mention or scene of whatever the hell Joker would have been doing when all the criminals got released.

I'm assuming Batman retired because it was easier than running from the cops all the time and there no major costumed freaks terrorizing the city after the Joker was locked up. Sure in the comics that never stopped him, but I guess they wanted to play this super-grounded where a 'real-life' Batman could only function for a few years before being caught, killed or too many injuries and age would catch up to him. I mean the combination of constantly getting beat up as well as the workout regimen to stay in Batman shape would wear and tear the body over the years, which is a fact that the comics choose to either ignore, or not have it affect him to the point where he really would have to hang up the cape.

This movie and the Black Panther sequels were examples of when an actor playing a character dying in real life hijack the following movies when recasting would have solved everything.

[ToTheNines]

It was especially lame how they portrayed him as all beat up and crippled, despite there being no sign of this in TDK. Even if they just had some exposition in there how he fought crime while running from the police for like 5 years after TDK and has been retired for the last 3 years, that would have went a long way.

But no, nothing.

Even if so, we JUST got that realized Batman at the end of Begins. And then it's time for the big Joker movie.

It'd be like being a kid, building your favorite action figure limb by limb... then when you're done building it, your parents take it away immediately.

Yeah, that’s what I was saying. One year is basically nothing. Batman has the largest rogues gallery of any hero. You can only reasonably imagine he encountered a small handful of them in that one year span. And that’s half the fun of the Nolanverse; imagining how the other villains would be portrayed in this “realistic” world.

Then yeah, big Joker movie and he retires lol.

[Barkworm]

It was especially lame how they portrayed him as all beat up and crippled, despite there being no sign of this in TDK.

I have only seen it once but wasn‘t the part about him being crippled super inconsequential? That one doctor tells him that his knee is completely ****ed up, then he just puts on some high tech prosthesis thing and he is fine. Later, they just re-locate his vertebrae after Bane breaks his spine? That‘s not how it works lol

[ToTheNines]

Yes, the initial issue is handwaved away. Then the broken back is too easily overcome.

I know the movies aren’t ever going to be the comics, and they were wrapping up a trilogy but… Bane breaking his back should be the climax of a movie, then there should be a whole movie of Bruce healing while someone else (doesn’t necessarily have to be Jean-Paul Valley) functions as Batman, then a whole movie dedicated to the triumphant return.

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, the initial issue is handwaved away. Then the broken back is too easily overcome.

True, though I'd say it's handled even WORSE in the actual comics. When Bane broke his back, suddenly they revealed Bruce's long-time psychiatrist was a mutant (??!) who touches his back and magically heals it (and plus... wait, if she could do that all along then why...?). And then he's 100% after jumping off a rooftop to shake off any cobwebs.

Bane breaking his back should be the climax of a movie, then there should be a whole movie of Bruce healing while someone else (doesn’t necessarily have to be Jean-Paul Valley) functions as Batman, then a whole movie dedicated to the triumphant return.

If they were to go that route, I'd have made the FAKE "Robin" cop guy into Jason Todd and up the prick/hot-head factor. Set him up in The Dark Knight Rises Part 1 and weave him into the story but bring him into Bruce's trust much sooner. Then at the end of The Dark Knight Rises Part 1 Bane breaks Bruce's back, and he hands the mantle over to Jason Todd. Then in The Dark Knight Rises Part 2 we get Jason Todd as Batman (but basically Arkham Knight from the game in all but name) making mincemeat out of Bane and then going on to upgrade the suit, etc., until he finally starts killing criminals. Throughout all of this is a big passage of time, so months are going by of rehab for Bruce and he's making progress. When he learns that Jason is killing people as Batman, maybe he gives himself a bunch of physical aids (like the shin/knee thing in the real Dark Knight Rises movie, but for his back) and suits back up. And then at the conclusion we get the big KnightsEnd, Batman vs. Batman fight.

So yeah, no Jean Paul Valley but we could still hit pretty much the same beats.

[ZariusTwo]

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[Jester]

I'm a Spidey fan but the thing that got me the most excited was Keith Flippin' David...

Not sure who he's playing but....KEITH DAVID!

[oldmanwinters]

I'm a Spidey fan but the thing that got me the most excited was Keith Flippin' David...

Not sure who he's playing but....KEITH DAVID!

Tombstone?!?
https://marvelanimated.fandom.com/wiki/Tombstone_(The_Spectacular_Spider-Man)

[frank_one]

I'm not interested in this kind of movies and I think the last Marvel movie I whatched was the first Avengers.. but this looks good and full of interesting stuff. Peter being depressed and alienated, the Punisher, the Hand (still no Daredevil?), Bruce Banner studying some strange mutation in Peter's body and maybe Jean Grey! This movie is dense! Of all the Spider-Man movies with Tom Holland this is the first one that actually looks like a Spider-Man movie to me. Also, nice homage to the Amazing Fantasy cover.

[Autbot_Benz]

Tombstone?!?
https://marvelanimated.fandom.com/wiki/Tombstone_(The_Spectacular_Spider-Man)

No tombstone is being played by the actor who played Tobias whale in black lightning

[Daytona]

Cautiously optimistic. I’m just so burned on MCU Spider-Man and while there does seem to be some positive changes, I just can’t get hyped until I see it. Admittedly it’s hard not to compare to the Raimi films which just feels like a different breed of movie. Prefer one or the other, but they’re just made so differently and I’m not sure this type of Spider-Man movie will deliver what I’m looking for.

But again, cautiously optimistic. I’m pretty sure I’ll like this more than the last two, which is something.

[Andrew NDB]

Bruce Banner studying some strange mutation in Peter's body

How much you want to bet him studying that leads Bruce Banner to become the Savage Hulk?

Also... that IS The Hand, right? It has to be. And the REAL Hand from Daredevil season 2, not the FAKE diverse group of white thugs calling themselves The Hand in Defenders.

[Autbot_Benz]

I enjoyed the trailer that quit your whimpering bit with punisher shooting spidey onto the tank was my favorite. Scorpion and the hand look cool too

[ZariusTwo]

Is the secret main villain The Jackal?

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/is-the-jackal-spider-man-brand-new-days-hidden-main-villain-trailer-clues-and-rumors-explained-a226954


-Neogenic Nightmare

-The Other

-The Clone Saga

-Brand New Day

PICK ONE!

[Daytona]

I’m 100% here for any 90’s era Spidey material. Mostly bc we’ve had so many Spidey movies at this point. It’s time for something fresh. But also this version of Spidey already sort of went off the rails in a sense so it’s a good opportunity. Doesn’t hurt that I’m nostalgic for the 90s. Clone Saga issues were some of my earliest comics.

I mean they’ve already taken inspiration from One More Day and Brand New Day so they clearly aren’t shy about controversial comic storylines.

So yes, bring on Jackal. Let’s see an actual Scarlet Spider. And 10 years from now I want you to tell me the Peter I’ve been following for 5 years is a clone. Let’s get nuts.

[IMJ]

I'm interested in this one.

But it looks like a "fun Spider-Man romp" as opposed to any "definitive lynchpin movie". Which is fine.

[ToTheNines]

I'm interested in this one.

But it looks like a "fun Spider-Man romp" as opposed to any "definitive lynchpin movie". Which is fine.

My thoughts exactly. MCU Spidey is due for something like this after part 1 was him as Ironman Jr., part 2 was an abysmal story set in Europe and part 3 was a cataclysmic multiverse event movie. The last one promised a more “back to basics” reset and it looks like they’re delivering.

Although him being hung up on MJ and Ned 4 years later feels tedious. I was hoping they wouldn’t get any more than a short scene in this one, but it looks like they’re a major plot point.

[frank_one]

It's about time they introduce the new Gwen Stacy.

[ZariusTwo]

It's about time they introduce the new Gwen Stacy.

Why?

She's boring as f*ck.

The only memorable thing she ever does is die. And we've seen that already.

The other memorable thing was she got knocked up the Green Goblin, which they kept canon for nearly 20 years before undoing it and made her boring again.

The only reason she worked in Garfield's movies was because they lifted all her character traits from Bendis' Ultimate MJ.

And Spider-Gwen only ever got over in the animated movies, and hasn't sustained a book consistently in half a decade.

[IMJ]

Why?

She's boring as f*ck.

The only memorable thing she ever does is die.

Well.... through the Power Rangering of everything she became Spider-Gwen and Gwen-Pool. So there's that.

I guess?

[ZariusTwo]

Well.... through the Power Rangering of everything she became Spider-Gwen and Gwen-Pool. So there's that.

I guess?

Spider-Gwen is also pretty boring and meaningless now. Can't sustain a book. She's nothing without the Spider-Verse movies.

Gwenpool is a separate character and also is a mixed bag nowadays.

[Andrew NDB]

It is "essentially confirmed" that Sadie Sink is playing Jean Grey

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sadie-sink-set-as-mcu-x-men-jean-grey/

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/Cpp1BH0B/FB-IMG-1777079897648.jpg

This confirms the rumors of her palling around with Frank.

[IMJ]

She's wearing green and yellow. Those are Jean Grey colors from X-Factor.

[nidza_maj2000]

So now chances of her being in Punisher One Last Kill special post credits scene got higher maybe

[Andrew NDB]

So now chances of her being in Punisher One Last Kill special post credits scene got higher maybe

If it happens it would be a blink and you miss it or something vague. They'll save her reveal for SM4 for sure.

She's wearing green and yellow. Those are Jean Grey colors from X-Factor.

Totally. And yet there's articles saying "She's Typhoid Mary!" No, she's not. And since they've obviously made all of the Netflix stuff there is canon Typhoid Mary is already running around and that's Alice Eve from Iron Fist. I hope they get back to her, come to think of it.

[ToTheNines]

She looks stupid. Sadie Stink!

[Coola Yagami]

The movie is all over the place. The villains seem fine, but why throw Hulk into it, as well as Punisher in a movie where he won't be allowed to kill and now Jean Grey too?

[Andrew NDB]

The movie is all over the place. The villains seem fine, but why throw Hulk into it, as well as Punisher in a movie where he won't be allowed to kill

He can definitely kill in it and mow people down with guns and stab people off-screen. There just can't be much blood. He can even say the "F" word once as long as it's not in a sexual way.

[Andrew NDB]

So there's Hulk.

https://i.ibb.co/Lh50NMMG/Screenshot-20260501-193507-X.jpg

[nidza_maj2000]

This might be one of best movies ever, here is second trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bIsvRcPv0 what do you guys think about it? What is your opinion about Frank interacting with MJ and angry Hulk appearing?

[Andrew NDB]

what do you guys think about it?

I think it's probably the only "Safe Bet" left in the MCU that's not going to suck.

[nidza_maj2000]

I think it's probably the only "Safe Bet" left in the MCU that's not going to suck.

Same with Doomsday movie

[Andrew NDB]

Same with Doomsday movie

I think Doomsday has pretty good odds to be entertaining but I don't know if it will be a "good" movie. SM4 seems like it's going to be thematically satisfying.

[nidza_maj2000]

I think Doomsday has pretty good odds to be entertaining but I don't know if it will be a "good" movie. SM4 seems like it's going to be thematically satisfying.
Also MJ will interact with Frank in this movie

[IMJ]

"one of the best movies ever" might be a tall order, but it will likely be solid Hopefully up there with the last one and better than the first and second.

[nidza_maj2000]

"one of the best movies ever" might be a tall order, but it will likely be solid Hopefully up there with the last one and better than the first and second.

It definitely has potential to be as good as NWH

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks fun just glad no more ****ing smart hulk

[nidza_maj2000]

Looks fun just glad no more ****ing smart hulk

Maybe he will be as serious as in 2008 movie

[Coola Yagami]

Maybe he will be as serious as in 2008 movie

Hard to say if they'll ever go back to that. I wonder if they'll explain how classic Hulk comes back. Between End Game and She-Hulk it feels like he was stuck as Smart Hulk for several years.

I'm assuming Peter would have heard of the Hulk from TV news coverage and whatnot. He never got to interact with him directly so far.

[ZariusTwo]

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

[nidza_maj2000]

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

We will probably find out who is main villain when movie comes out

[Andrew NDB]

So many trailers and I still don't know what the plot's about.

Looks like just a bunch of stuff that happens.

* Peter Parker is feeling down that MJ and Ned don't remember who he is.

* Peter begins to transform due to some kind of evolutionary bit in his spider DNA, possibly into Man-Spider, possibly triggered by how emotionally down in the dumps he is?

* Whatever evolves Spider-Man seems to "get out" and infect Bruce Banner, turning him into Savage Hulk. Perhaps Peter Parker is "Cured" while what Banner took out of him to cure him goes into Banner?

* Scorpion is out of prison and goes on a crime spree, then gets confronted by Spider-Man at some point.

* The Hand returns, coming into odds with Spider-Man, who they fight.

* Punisher is chasing after somebody (Scorpion? the Hand?) and ends up partnering up with/protecting Jean Grey, who is using her mind powers to survive/escape, it looks like?

* Spider-Man and Punisher must team to take down Savage Hulk in the end (we can assume this rumor is true because everything else in those early reports was, too).


So... something like that?

[nidza_maj2000]

I also wonder why is MJ in danger like Spidey said

[Andrew NDB]

I bet a big part of it will be that Jean Grey is able to "See through" or maybe even undo Dr. Strange's memory spell in part and this causes problems somehow. It's hard to imagine much of any other reason to involve Jean Grey in the movie if it is not connected to that spell since her whole thing is super mental abilities.

[ZariusTwo]

So there's a new plot leak making the rounds

The movie reads more like one of those 90s Incredible Hulk team-up movies. Nothing really happens and Sadie Sink is just a misunderstood villain and the real antagonist is the guy in charge of Damage Control. This leak doesn't mention that Peter dies or that he's revived in the grave by the symbiote.

Peter is shot and critically wounded, but the medics perform surgery and save him. After they rescue Jean from Damage Control, Peter and Punisher defeat Tombstone in the final battle.

Jean offers to restore MJ and Ned's memories but Peter declines and finally lets them go

[Coola Yagami]

Based on that it sounds like they're gonna double down on Peter and MJ not getting back together. I wonder what else they will do going forward. Making him run into a redhead with the same MJ initials would just be too weird. More comic accurate but weird within the context of the last 3 movies. Like dating a new girl that has the exact same nickname as your ex.

[ToTheNines]

Based on that it sounds like they're gonna double down on Peter and MJ not getting back together. I wonder what else they will do going forward. Making him run into a redhead with the same MJ initials would just be too weird. More comic accurate but weird within the context of the last 3 movies. Like dating a new girl that has the exact same nickname as your ex.

I’m betting some kind of multiverse shenanigans/soft reboot leaves the MCU looking a little different after Secret Wars. He’ll probably end up with the “real” Mary Jane then.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Zendaya just doesn't want to be remembered as Spiderman's girlfriend for most of her career. It's weird cause they got married in real life. But maybe she wants to move on in terms of movies.

I guess the phrase, "Once you go black you never go back" doesn't quite apply here, huh?

[ZariusTwo]

One of the people involved in the film's soundtrack spoiled Sadie's character on the red carpet.

It's Jean Grey. Just as we all figured. She's misunderstood just as the leaks said.

Post-credits

Ned's spider-tracker indicates Peter is no longer on Earth

[neatoman]

Jean being
the main villain is an odd choice. I mean, I know about Dark Phoenix and all that but Jean herself, not some weird alien god entering her, being a villain seems like an odd choice, even if she sees the light at the end.

[Daytona]

It’s no Spider-Man 2 but it is one of the better MCU movies.

The biggest improvement is general look and feel of the film. The heavier use of practical effects and stunts along with the new outfit add more tangibility to everything.

I have issues with the script but it’s much better than the last two. Part of my problem is I just don’t like being weighed down with this magic spell nonsense carried over from No Way Home, but it is what it is.

Overall it’s a Huge step in the right direction. Probably the best Holland film with Homecoming a close second. I don’t really care for the other two.

[Andrew NDB]

So I guess if Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU .

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

[neatoman]

So I guess if Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU .

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

This version of her is definitely native to the MCU, yes. And presumably there will be native versions of those characters.
Although, the word "Mutant" isn't really used here, even if it's very clearly hinted that Jean's powers are natural and that something about naturally occurring superpowers is considered a particular threat. Not sure why they shy away from the word, they're obviously going to use it later.

Jean also isn't associated with any team or other major character. I was kind of expected her to be manipulated by like Magneto (there is a scene where Peter says his inhibitor is malfunctioning due to magnetic interference) or Mr. Sinister but it turns out that everything she does is her own choice. I do kinda wonder if Damage Control is a front for Weapon X or something though, the whole experimentation on a mutant thing gives off some Weapon X vibes.

As for merging universes, I never assumed that would be the case because... Well, not because of any storytelling reasons more because... Anna Paquin was the youngest actor in the first X-Men movie and she's 44, some the others in that one are pushing 90 by now. If they're planning to go another 20 years or something, it doesn't make much sense to use actors who are mostly in their 50's and 60's now. I mean, just in ten years, can you imagine a 70 year old Halle Berry still playing Storm unless it's a reunion thing?

[IMJ]

So I guess if Jean is here and a mutant, in the MCU proper now with her proper MCU version, and she's not here because of any multiversal hijinks... that is confirmation that all MCU (NOT Fox-Men) mutants are already and have been already running around the MCU for decades. That it won't be some merging of universes that will bring about the coming of X-men mutants into the MCU .

Right? Which is kind of a relief, IMO.

This also lends credibility to the idea that the FoX-Men will generally be cameo's in Doomsday.

Maybe we will see their return in Secret Wars, but I imagine, like No Way Home, they will dissolve back to their realities at the end and the new MCU will have it's own mutants.

[Andrew NDB]

I was thinking given all the evidence that we wouldn't get the "Real" MCU X-Men until the dust settled at the end of either Doomsday or the middle of Secret Wars and they'd be borne out of some kind of mashing of the remains of the "vanquished" Fox-Men and the MCU, giving us fresh young actors playing those parts who have suddenly always been in the "new" MCU.

Which I thought was MESSY! And unnecessary.

[IMJ]

I was thinking given all the evidence that we wouldn't get the "Real" MCU X-Men until the dust settled at the end of either Doomsday or the middle of Secret Wars and they'd be borne out of some kind of mashing of the remains of the "vanquished" Fox-Men and the MCU, giving us fresh young actors playing those parts who have suddenly always been in the "new" MCU.

Which I thought was MESSY! And unnecessary.

Nooo....

that's already squashed by Jean Grey appearing in the new Spider-Man flick. There's no "meld" necessary. The FoX-Men are simply "another universe".

Maybe they'll find a way to keep Gambit around given that he's suddenly popular after Deadpool & Wolverine.

[Andrew NDB]

Nooo....

that's already squashed by Jean Grey appearing in the new Spider-Man flick. There's no "meld" necessary. The FoX-Men are simply "another universe".

Right. That's what I was saying with my Jean Grey post. I'm happy I was wrong with my pre-Jean-confirmation-in-SM4 theory.

Maybe they'll find a way to keep Gambit around given that he's suddenly popular after Deadpool & Wolverine.

Oof... Gambit of course, but Tatum? I think they have to be just screwing around with him given the nature of Doomsday and possibly Secret Wars. Tatum is going to be 50 years old by the time X-Men comes out and I doubt they're going to be going anywhere near that old for Rogue, and surely they'd want to do the romance.

[neatoman]

Well, yeah, I don't think it was ever any doubt that the MCU X-Men would be the MCU's own new version of the X-Men, rather than the FOX Universe getting folded into the MCU. It's pretty obvious that dealing with the aging actors and confused old continuity wouldn't be worth it, maybe if Disney bought FOX and Marvel at around the same time in like 2009 or so but certainly not after they've made 37 movies in the MCU and 13 FOX X-Men movies, in that case one clearly has to go and it wouldn't be the shorter one.

In case I need to be more clear, maybe, just maybe, they would have considered just saying Phase 1 and and the first four X-Men were always in the same universe had Disney gotten their hands on both companies before more things could be made. Saying Age of Ultron and Days of Future Past happened in the same universe on the other hand is absurd, because then you'd have to deal with contradictory depictions of Quicksilver, which is just one example.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it. I thought it was pretty awesome overall, a pretty grown-up Spider-Man movie. It's probably easiest to talk about what I was looking forward to that didn't see:

* The Hand being utilized in an appropriately fearsome fashion. They weren't. They were just puppets. Kind of even ruined, really, post-Daredevil Netflix. And if we see Elektra alive in Daredevil: Born Again season 3 -- because we do -- why is the Hand without a leader?

* Jean Grey using her powers to remove the memory block from MJ and Ned. She couldn't have done him that one favor? I was fully expecting that at the end but she just goes off into the distance.

* Frank not even killing one person. I know, it's PG-13, but you can still kill plenty of people in a PG-13 movie as long as it's not bloody. The way these Hand people were handled in the movie, he might as well have gunned down some of them. As we saw in Daredevil season 2, he's no stranger to shooting them dead anyway.

* Peter not reuniting with MJ. It's weak. It's basically forcing things down the road in the comic book "Brand New Day" story that just about nobody liked. They'll "fix" lots of things in comic storylines people didn't want fixed and make things much worse, but they won't actually fix one of the biggest things the fans famously hated?

* Wasting the opportunity with the Hulk scene to have Hulk (not Bruce) remember Spider-Man/Peter like in the comics.


Well, yeah, I don't think it was ever any doubt that the MCU X-Men would be the MCU's own new version of the X-Men, rather than the FOX Universe getting folded into the MCU.

While yes, (and while I also think the people that did expect the Fox-Men to just get folded into the MCU were dumb) I think MOST people were pretty adamant that there was no way mutants and X-Men could have existed in the world of, say, Iron Man 1 or so on, that it could ONLY be some other non-Fox-Men universe where there's X-Men that come to the MCU, like the Fantastic Four did in the last movie. I've always maintained that it could be fairly easy for the mutants to have existed in secret throughout all Phases so far but that the way it was starting to LOOK, some multiversal stuff was looking like what Marvel was going to do. Mostly that in since the time that Disney/Marvel acquired the X-Men rights, in like 8 years now the ONE and like only breadcrumb they've dropped is the dead Celestial from Eternals being mined for adamantium. That's been it. The only thing, until Jean Grey.

[ZariusTwo]

* Peter not reuniting with MJ. It's weak. It's basically forcing things down the road in the comic book "Brand New Day" story that just about nobody liked. They'll "fix" lots of things in comic storylines people didn't want fixed and make things much worse, but they won't actually fix one of the biggest things the fans famously hated?

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My best hope for that is the trilogy concludes the way Nick Spencer's run on ASM did, which ended the BND era very briefly, though in doing so it also served as a potential finale for Spider-Man

[Andrew NDB]

My best hope for that is the trilogy concludes the way Nick Spencer's run on ASM did, which ended the BND era very briefly, though in doing so it also served as a potential finale for Spider-Man

According to that latest video interview with Pascal and Feige, there IS no "new trilogy." Just one by one. Which eh... is different from the first trilogy how, though? And if Holland is to believed several years ago now, the only reason the third movie in that trilogy happened as such was because he called Iger drunkenly and begged him to re-sign with Sony. Otherwise we would have gotten a third movie with Holland in the Sony-verse with Morbius and all that stuff.

What's a little more concerning is Holland's most recent interview. Where he says there's been a big working path for a while now for him "passing the torch" that they're still working towards. Which one would hope would just to mean, "Until the next Spider-Man actor picks up and we recast Peter when it will make sense to do so" but given the way the MCU has been forced to work so far, he certainly really must mean "When Peter Parker will get old and no longer be Spider-Man and Peter Parker will pass the torch to Miles Morales and he will be the MCU Spider-Man."

There's really no reason they couldn't introduce Miles Morales into the MCU as a supplemental Spider-Man (sort of the equivalent of what Nightwing is to Batman)... but the moment they try a full-on "This is your NEW Spider-Man, replacing Peter Parker from this moment on!" I think they're going to have egg on their face.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm not going to take the side of Nerdrotic or the Drinker on their views of Miles, he's not like Sam Wilson or the other replacements. He's got a pretty big fanbase and the animated movies demonstrate his popularity.

Peter's story has been over for almost three decades IMO. It ended in 1998 when Spider-Girl launched and Byrne tried resetting it with Chapter One. It's been a bunch of peaks and valleys ever since and the Peter that's come out of it all is hardly recognisable or aspirational. Spider-Man comics are horrible now. I want Peter retired or a dad. Just like he is in Spider-Girl. Miles can have his territory, I'm not bothered. Anything's better than what we have now.

[Coola Yagami]

I am surprised that Tombstone, Boomerang and Tarantula were just a montage cameo after all that hoopla. Especially Tombstone since he got a lot of articles/announcements about him being in the movie and who cast him and whatnot.


Jean was confusing since her powers never worked that way. Before Peter faced her directly I thought it was some Spider-Man villain I never heard of and somehow Jean would end up helping out.

So glad Punisher got more to do.

Surprised Yelena was in this. Sure she didn't do much in terms of action but with all these announcements, Hulk is in it, Punisher is in it, Jean might be in it, The Hand is in it, I'm surprised there was no mention of Florence Pugh.

Also while greatly appreciated it's weird to see the OG Hulk return in a Spider-Man movie.

Between this and the Sam Wilson film there was a hidden Hulk movie we never got to see due to the whole Universal thing and I guess this is the best they could do.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably my most "I'm tickled" moment was actually the few minutes (maybe 4?) when it was exclusively Spider-Man and Punisher vs. Hulk. That gave so much I've always wanted to see.
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And obviously I wouldn't worry about Jean Grey. She will literally grow into this role by design. Powers and otherwise.

[Coola Yagami]

Probably my most "I'm tickled" moment was actually the few minutes (maybe 4?) when it was exclusively Spider-Man and Punisher vs. Hulk. That gave so much I've always wanted to see.
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And obviously I wouldn't worry about Jean Grey. She will literally grow into this role by design. Powers and otherwise.

From my understanding Jean was quite the menace before she found Xavier and joined the X-Men.

I'm glad they redeemed her. At first she was such a cackling villian that I was thinking 'ok so this is the same Jean we're supposed to be rooting for whenever the new MCU X-Men movie is made right?'

It was odd to have Jean as the antoganist, you know, in a Spider-Man movie. That would be like a Fantastic Four being about stopping Apacolypse.

[IMJ]

The truth is that they could, in theory even retcon the X-Men into the battle with Thanos - Xavier just mind wipes their presence from everyone using Cerebro later.

It would be lame, but it would coincide with the fact that mutants have always been there.

I think we are probably going to see this on Sunday.

[Coola Yagami]

The truth is that they could, in theory even retcon the X-Men into the battle with Thanos - Xavier just mind wipes their presence from everyone using Cerebro later.

It would be lame, but it would coincide with the fact that mutants have always been there.

I think we are probably going to see this on Sunday.

IDK, the Jean Grey kinda implies the mutant thing is a relatively new phenomenon.

one weird thing is the mutating Spider-Man thing never got resolved. So, he's just good with suddenly having organic webbing now? He's not worried he might mutate further? And then with all the Doomsday and Secret Wars coming up, that's all gonna be shoved to the wayside.

[IMJ]

IDK, the Jean Grey kinda implies the mutant thing is a relatively new phenomenon.

one weird thing is the mutating Spider-Man thing never got resolved. So, he's just good with suddenly having organic webbing now? He's not worried he might mutate further? And then with all the Doomsday and Secret Wars coming up, that's all gonna be shoved to the wayside.

That sort of bring the question then - do you think that Xavier's school already exists in the MCU or it's something we will see established?

[ZariusTwo]

The whole film briefly got leaked in full on X this past Friday

https://deadline.com/2026/07/spider-man-brand-new-day-x-latest-bootleg-leak-1237015116/

[Coola Yagami]

That sort of bring the question then - do you think that Xavier's school already exists in the MCU or it's something we will see established?

Maybe get to see it get established. It's confusing since we got the Fox-Men dropping in.

I am glad Peter made a ref to 'Peter 2'. I mean he met a guy with organic webbing. It would almost be a plot hole to not mention it.

I lost track how many final sendoff movies the Fox-Men had.

[Stu_Padasso]

Sorry, still not interested. I am done with these massive shared universes.

It’s like finding a TV show that you really like only to find out that you have to watch a dozen other shows that you don’t care about or dislike in a certain viewing order. Otherwise, you’re going to be completely lost when a character you’ve been following gets killed, mutilated, or turned into a leprechaun because someone in a different office thought it was a good idea. And even if I wanted to, you’ve priced me out watching these things legally.

I also like to go outdoors every once in a while.

[Coola Yagami]

Sorry, still not interested. I am done with these massive shared universes.

It’s like finding a TV show that you really like only to find out that you have to watch a dozen other shows that you don’t care about or dislike in a certain viewing order. Otherwise, you’re going to be completely lost when a character you’ve been following gets killed, mutilated, or turned into a leprechaun because someone in a different office thought it was a good idea. And even if I wanted to, you’ve priced me out watching these things legally.

I also like to go outdoors every once in a while.

Yeah... I mean Punisher, Jean Grey, OG Hulk comes back, New Avengers reference, The Hand. It's wild.

[Autbot_Benz]

Sorry, still not interested. I am done with these massive shared universes.

It’s like finding a TV show that you really like only to find out that you have to watch a dozen other shows that you don’t care about or dislike in a certain viewing order. Otherwise, you’re going to be completely lost when a character you’ve been following gets killed, mutilated, or turned into a leprechaun because someone in a different office thought it was a good idea. And even if I wanted to, you’ve priced me out watching these things legally.

I also like to go outdoors every once in a while.

You can skip most of the Disney plus garbage even Feigie has said it’s become too much like homework so they are not doing that anymore

[Coola Yagami]

You can skip most of the Disney plus garbage even Feigie has said it’s become too much like homework so they are not doing that anymore

yeah, it's mostly remembering the first 3 Spider-Man movies and I guess, knowing that Banner surpressed the Hulk over the years.

Apparently Spider-Man ran into the Punisher in some off-screen adventure, and it's not like Tom Holand is going to appear in the Punisher show, so there's nothing to know except he exists.

[Andrew NDB]

"Spider-Man had an aunt May and she died, somehow Peter had a spell cast making MJ and Ned forget who he is, Peter has been Spider-Man for a while now."

That's literally all you need to know going into this. Nothing else is paying off from anything else, anywhere. Even Tony Stark isn't so much as even mentioned, kind of surprisingly. Even things you might think would be paying or leading off from other stuff like Banner or Yelena or The Hand don't.

One quibble: why in the world couldn't J Jonah Jameson come back in this? Even if it was just his little news bits. Little 5 second things would have been perfect interjected, like when Spider-Man accidentally attacked that cop. Another: what exactly is Peter doing for work these days? The movie doesn't shed any light at all. Anonymously helping the police isn't going to pay.

[Coola Yagami]

"Spider-Man had an aunt May and she died, somehow Peter had a spell cast making MJ and Ned forget who he is, Peter has been Spider-Man for a while now."

That's literally all you need to know going into this. Nothing else is paying off from anything else, anywhere. Even Tony Stark isn't so much as even mentioned, kind of surprisingly.

One quibble: why in the world couldn't J Jonah Jameson come back in this? Even if it was just his little news bits. Little 5 second things would have been perfect interjected, like when Spider-Man accidentally attacked that cop. Another: what exactly is Peter doing for work these days? The movie doesn't shed any light at all. Anonymously helping the police isn't going to pay.

That's one thing my wife brought up after the fact. "So like... what was Peter's job? How can he afford to live there?"

It was sorta implied things were tight with Ned and he was counting on MJ finally getting a job to help out. Whenever the cop lady was telling Peter to finally relax, a random line like 'between work and being Spider-Man' could have gone a long way even if they couldn't find time to show or mention the actual job.

[Andrew NDB]

Or "Mr. Stark left me a little money. I miss him."

[Stu_Padasso]

You can skip most of the Disney plus garbage even Feigie has said it’s become too much like homework so they are not doing that anymore

*Most* of the garbage on Disney +? What about all theatrically released stuff like Captain Marvel, Eternals, or Shang-Chi and the Legend of The Ten C*ck-Rings or whatever?

Seriously, I’ve been thinking about dumping Netflix and sticking to Roku and my arial antenna. I’ve been waiting until the Fallout series gets released on Blu-Ray because I’m cutting back on subscriptions so I don’t pay for crap I don’t want. They’ve turned into the cable companies that they used to compete against.

I think these executives who are pulling in seven figures or more are out of touch with their customers. It’s like how MGM and Caesars in Las Vegas are going after these whales who will drop 50k on a hand of poker while everyone else struggles because there’s no foot traffic . Even the Heart Attack Grill closed down.

Little wonder why comic book stores are selling Funko Pop’s instead of comics.

I like capitalism but don’t be a d!ck about it.

Anyway, that’s my take.

[Andrew NDB]

*Most* of the garbage on Disney +? What about all theatrically released stuff like Captain Marvel, Eternals, or Shang-Chi and the Legend of The Ten C*ck-Rings or whatever?

Yeah. All of that. None of it matters and probably won't ever be referenced again.

[Autbot_Benz]

*Most* of the garbage on Disney +? What about all theatrically released stuff like Captain Marvel, Eternals, or Shang-Chi and the Legend of The Ten C*ck-Rings or whatever?.

Skip those though Shang chi was decent

[Stu_Padasso]

Yeah. All of that. None of it matters and probably won't ever be referenced again.

Skip those though Shang chi was decent

Would I be allowed to drink boba tea?

Give me a list of movies I would need to watch to follow what’s happening without breaking the bank. Because if Pip The Leprechaun shows up without explanation, I’m gonna be mighty p!$$ed off.

[Andrew NDB]

Nothing is "happening." Even in Avengers Doomsday Dr. Doom is just showing up out of nowhere. No build up or lead in.

[Jester]

I know in the movie Banner's inhibitor gauntlet is referenced as an inspiration for Peter but did they mention Doc Ock? I mean it looks a lot like his arm control inhibitor, which makes sense since Peter helped him repair it in No Way Home.

Also did any one feel Banner's Hulk Out reused a lot of imagery from Avengers? Chasing Natasha through the heli-carrier, smashing Chitari into buildings, ect.

[IMJ]

Saw it today. Thought it was terrific in every way. Authentically good movie, especially for not having any deep conflict with an authentic spidey villain basically at all.

A true "character-driven" comic book flick.

[Andrew NDB]

I know in the movie Banner's inhibitor gauntlet is referenced as an inspiration for Peter but did they mention Doc Ock? I mean it looks a lot like his arm control inhibitor, which makes sense since Peter helped him repair it in No Way Home.

I'm sure Ock was the inspiration there but he was not mentioned. Only the Toby Maguire Spider-Man got a fitting reference.

[Coola Yagami]

I am glad that Scorpion has a bit more screen time and was even a temporary plot point (we gotta get to Scorpion to get to the bigger bad guys) at least when compared to the others.

It was weird how, when you really look at it, Vulture and Mysterio were pretty much Stark villains and in this movie the main antogonist was Jean Grey and the actual Spider-Man villains were cameos during a montage.

The only time MCU Spider-Man faced actual Spider-Man villains was when he faced the ones from the McGuire and Garfield movies since those were actual Spider-Man movies and not movies about a larger MCU.

I guess it's a consequence of him bein a Sony property or something, so we can't have a straight up Spider-Man movie with Spider-Man villains and without any guest stars other than maybe super short cameos.

Like imagine if the MCU X-Men finally comes out and their villain is The Leader with Abomination and army Hulk clones instead of Magneto. Or somehow tie Magneto back to Stark again and have the MCU X-Men stop him, not because of some personal collection but because he just so happens to be the bad guy that was there that day.

[IMJ]

I thought it was an interesting but unspoken element that the roots of the inhibitor chip were basically Doc Ock's from the last flick. It was clearly a continuity extension of that.

Not sure that the most accurate Spider-Man ever on film needed the organic web shooter development though.

[Andrew NDB]

Definitely the organic shooters and general mutation will pay off bigtime in Secret Wars.

Personally I've always preferred the organic web shooters. He gets all these spider superpowers but... he has to build web shooters with technology?