Unrest in Ukraine [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

Sumac

02-21-2022, 10:24 PM

Well in that case Ukraine should definitely be allowed to join NATO and Putin can either piss off or be made to wish he had.
It is impossible, since according to own NATO's rules, country which have conflicts on its territory can not become part of NATO. Which supposedly was one of the main reasons for starting DNR LNR **** in the first place.

What is his deal anyhow? More territory? Childish pot stirring on the world stage or just dick waving?
One reason is that dwarf wants to boost up his ratings, which are extremely low due to the tanking economy and Russia effective fight against COVID (spoiler: it was not effective at all).
Another, he seemingly really thinks of himself as Russian Tsar who gathers old Russian territories - an idea existing, since they days of actual Russian Empire.

It doesn't make him a Communist, since late USSR, where Pitler is from, had very little in common with Communism. It does make him run-of-the-mill Imperialist, who believes that "territory is everything", and, "if your country is bigger than the rest, it is also more powerful and feared".

Which shows that oldman completely lost touch with reality and seemingly doesn't have a basic grasp on economy, modern technology and how relationship between modern countries work.

In 2014 Crimea was taken from Ukraine from Russia after the Ukrainian president was ousted. Now, it appears that this is a sequel. Do these people actually want to switch from Ukraine to Russia or is it a certain section of the Ukraine?
You mean separatist republics?

I think, originally locals, like in Crimea, were on board, since culturally they were more Russians, than Ukrainians. It doesn't help that Russian propaganda created a whole storm of "fake news" about atrocities of Ukrainian army and their version of Nazis groups, against Russian-speaking people of Ukraine including rape, crucifixion (!!) and ol'good genocide.

So people were scared and were willing to accept new pro-Russian separatist leadership. Thing is, 8 years later, it had become obvious that their life has not become better under quasi-Russian control. Those republics are ruled by ruthless and dumb gangs of mercenaries, whose leaders at each throats. Its basically low scale Mad Max in post-Soviet cities. It hadn't changed as well.

Local people, obviously has no power in their own "independent (ha-ha) republics", which are ultimately ordered around by Moscow enforcers. So, whatever, "documents" and "pleas" are coming from those republics are basically, what Moscow had ordered local governments to say.

So, to sum it up: locals has no say in their destiny and every time you hear from pro-Russian source that "people of Luhansk / Donetsk had chosen this and that", it is a lie and was down by orders from Moscow.

I am just trying to get a non-political insight. On the surface it appears Vladimir Putin bullying the Ukraine into being fully absorbed and the west is trying to use diplomacy to stop it though NATO may be an option.
NATO won't be an option, because, they won't get into conflict with nuclear power, because, of Ukraine.

Also, I don't think Pitler wants to get whole Ukraine: country is divided into Western and Eastern parts. Historically Western part is pro-West, it has its own culture, craving for independency and hatred for the Russians, who they consider usurpers and conquerors.

Eastern Ukraine, on contrary, is pro-Russian - they culture leans towards being more Russian-like and they predominantly speak Russian as their main language. However, after shitshow with separatists republics, even those people are not fans of Pitler's Russia.

If old dwarf will try to conquer Ukraine as a whole - he will end up with guerilla warfare and acts of terror of unprecedent scale, so maximum he can try is to conquer Eastern part of the country and now, even this looks like no easy task.

Is there a difference this time where the people wanted to be annexed before and these don't which is why the U.N. didn't act last time? Like I said, I don't want any political issues here, just clarification. It is hard to do that through news media.
The only reason separatist republics were not annexed is, because, they were more useful as separatist republics. Now, it might change.

Leo656

02-21-2022, 10:44 PM

It's funny, back when I used to move furniture I met a few guys from Russia, Ukraine... Even a couple from Georgia (country, not state). I remember the one guy, Vladimir, one day he was just constantly giving this other guy (whose name I forget) the stinkeye, and I asked him what was up. They sounded similar (to my ears) so I was like "I thought you Russian guys would all stick together?" He got all animated and was like "That guy not Russian! He from f*cking Ukraine! Those people are crazy!" :lol: I didn't ask him to elaborate, but it was funny.

One thing ALL of those guys told me, though - independently and years apart - was that no matter what they did on the surface, the Russian government had no intention of ever letting the past go and were obsessed with regaining whatever status and glory they'd lost over the latter half of the 20th Century. That even if it takes 200 years, they're hellbent on "ruling the world" again and will stop at nothing to see it through. Like they're the actual Legion of Doom over there.

Wouldn't doubt it.

Mayhem

02-22-2022, 02:52 AM

Sumac

02-22-2022, 04:56 AM

Stopping Ukraine joining NATO is definitely one angle. The fact Ukraine has a **** ton of valuable resources (such as rare metals and other minable assets) is probably another given prices on them have been rising last few years due to COVID etc.
Russia has more resources.
Annexing Ukraine basically will make it a huge money sink for the Russia (and that is without money, which Russia would need to sink into fighting local guerillas).
And given horrible state of Russian economy it is a complete insane plan. But Putin had proven that he and sanity run on separate lanes, so...who knows.

IMJ

02-22-2022, 12:07 PM

"I thought you Russian guys would all stick together?" He got all animated and was like "That guy not Russian! He from f*cking Ukraine! Those people are crazy!" :lol:

Isn't it funny how no one, not even the liberal nuts who would appear in this thread, have nothing to say about the comment although Russian-guy's comment was inherently racist? But if you make a blanket observation about another group with habits central to one location, you'd have cries of racism.

Stopping Ukraine joining NATO is definitely one angle. The fact Ukraine has a **** ton of valuable resources (such as rare metals and other minable assets) is probably another given prices on them have been rising last few years due to COVID etc.

A noteworthy amount of super conductor and semi-conductor materials are imported here from Ukraine.

Russia has more resources.
Annexing Ukraine basically will make it a huge money sink for the Russia (and that is without money, which Russia would need to sink into fighting local guerillas).
And given horrible state of Russian economy it is a complete insane plan. But Putin had proven that he and sanity run on separate lanes, so...who knows.

Our spineless social justice President has done nothing. Trump would've been all over this as his record of action points out. Germany took action before Biden for God's sake. Germany. That's like saying that France launched a full out offensive against terrorism - it's unheard of.

Sumac

02-22-2022, 12:52 PM

Our spineless social justice President has done nothing. Trump would've been all over this as his record of action points out. Germany took action before Biden for God's sake. Germany. That's like saying that France launched a full out offensive against terrorism - it's unheard of.
I am not sure what Trump could have done differently at this point.

I mean, sure situation would not escalated to this point, if he was a president. That is I am fairly confident in.

But at this point the only tangible thing possible is to proclaim sanctions. Neither US, nor any other country would go to war with nuclear power, because of Ukraine.

Basic explanation of what Pitler is doing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-UqIIvang&ab_channel=BritishComedy)

IMJ

02-22-2022, 12:59 PM

I am not sure what Trump could have done differently at this point.

I mean, sure situation would not escalated to this point, if he was a president. That is I am fairly confident in.

But at this point the only tangible thing possible is to proclaim sanctions. Neither US, nor any other country would go to war with nuclear power, because of Ukraine.

He would've taken faster action and then backed it up with further and immediately deployable sanctions. Hands down that's what he would have done.

Fast and measurable response in that he probably would've worked on stopping the Nord Stream pipeline with Germany as an immediate action. Second likely sent a fleet into the national waters near Russia in preparation of an immediate trade blockade and third likely have began immediate investigative talks not only with Russia but an immediate and pre-emptive coalition in direct communication with the U.N., instead of Biden's wait time and days-later-offer to talk provided no invasion. All of that fits Trump's operating models. And all of that plays to what you said in that through those measures the situation wouldn't be where it is at now.

As opposed to Biden and Harris sitting around until after Russia had created a full crescent moon invasion force and then decided to say something too late in the game to truly deter a problem. Under Trump the entire mechanism of action for deterrent would've been moved up by days, along with a follow-up action plan for the next measures had Russia not been deterred.

Putin's entire operating model is old-school KGB deception and feint motions. And Biden and his patsy crew fell for it. "We will begin pulling out some troops tomorrow" and instead while Biden goes "wooo boy we dodged that bullet" the next day Putin sends them in. You have to have a non-war show of force that is immediate and overwhelming with the next action already set to go. Biden and Harris got strung along like fools.

Andrew NDB

02-22-2022, 01:49 PM

Biden set the stage for this by surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban. There has never been a better time for foreign powers to militarily basically make whatever moves they want... the U.S. won't do anything about it

joe-eyeball

02-22-2022, 02:04 PM

Yeah, Biden might be screwed here because if his bloviating about sanctions doesn’t work then he’s going to continue to look bad. Also if the U.S. had to step in physically it would be another blow to his presidency because with everything that has gone on, American voters will react poorly to conflict. It’s a bad situation for him because ultimately he will just end up looking weak.

MikeandRaph87

02-22-2022, 02:05 PM

https://bronx.news12.com/ukraine-crisis-putin-gets-ok-to-use-force-outside-russia
Financial sanctions against Russian banks and oligarchs were made earlier this afternoon. U.S. could do more though. I am surprised that Boris Johnson has not announced any sanctions yet.

IndigoErth

02-22-2022, 03:05 PM

Biden set the stage for this by surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban. There has never been a better time for foreign powers to militarily basically male whatever moves they want... the U.S. won't do anything about it
Shh, lets just pretend Trump didn't make deals directly with the Taliban to pull our people out before Biden was elected and was in agreements to have them out by May 2021, earlier than Biden's extended deadline. No way was that fallout not going to happen either way.

I'm surprised no one has ever managed to just take Putin down yet. How old is he even at this point, it would be easier if he'd just kick the bucket.

MikeandRaph87

02-22-2022, 03:24 PM

Shh, lets just pretend Trump didn't make deals directly with the Taliban to pull our people out before Biden was elected and was in agreements to have them out by May 2021, earlier than Biden's extended deadline. No way was that fallout not going to happen either way.

I'm surprised no one has ever managed to just take Putin down yet. How old is he even at this point, it would be easier if he'd just kick the bucket.

He is 69. The relic of the KGB past is still pretty vigor and healthy for his age. I admit I thought he would have started to step back by now. Though look at both Trump and Biden who are a few years older still going full force. Fidel Castro did not step back until he was in his late 70s'.

IMJ

02-22-2022, 03:49 PM

Epic post written. Then considered my highly-opinionated-yet-childlike-view of an audience for a moment before hitting "submit".

Let the conversation ensue at the level of "I can't beliiiiieeeeve that nobody haven't taken Putin ooooouuuuttttt" (try reading that like "Oh. MY. God. Becky look at her butt").

Sumac

02-23-2022, 02:58 AM

So Crimea is different because they wanted to switch from being under Ukraine to under Russia while Ukraine itself is being bullied into being put under Russia because of a pipeline profit?
Its not about pipeline profit, but about Putin's "dream" about "gathering back Soviet Union". Or at least, as much as possible he can manage, before going full WW3. Well, and looking like a macho leader for his dumb followers.

https://bronx.news12.com/ukraine-crisis-putin-gets-ok-to-use-force-outside-russia
Financial sanctions against Russian banks and oligarchs were made earlier this afternoon. U.S. could do more though. I am surprised that Boris Johnson has not announced any sanctions yet.
It might be interesting, since unlike before it directly affects Putin's friends, a circle which for a long time was considered to be untouchable. On one hand, it might lead to some disagreement among Russian elites and possible change of course in the perspective, since they would not like to lose money, on the other - it might anger dwarf even further.

He is 69. The relic of the KGB past is still pretty vigor and healthy for his age. I admit I thought he would have started to step back by now. Though look at both Trump and Biden who are a few years older still going full force. Fidel Castro did not step back until he was in his late 70s'.
Russian tsars rarely step away on their own. You either need a revolution, a coup d'état or them just kicking the bucket to achieve this. Otherwise, they will cling to the power until their last breath. And it doesn't matter whether they are called "tsars", "general secretaries" or "presidents".

The only ones who stepped away in the last few decades were Gorbachev (who, surprisingly for a Russian leader, didn't want power), Yeltsin (who was too sick to rule) and Medvedev (who was Putin's proxy and thus doesn't count).

I'm surprised no one has ever managed to just take Putin down yet. How old is he even at this point, it would be easier if he'd just kick the bucket.
They will sent James Bond, Ethan Hunt and Batman to hunt him down. Any day. Any day. :roll:

Leo656

02-23-2022, 03:43 AM

Putin's crack team of bears on unicycles would easily quell any potential coup or uprising within minutes, anyways.

If Biden had a team of bears on unicycles then Jan. 6th never would have happened. Goes to show, there's still much we can learn from Russia, even now.

IndigoErth

02-23-2022, 03:28 PM

They will sent James Bond, Ethan Hunt and Batman to hunt him down. Any day. Any day. :roll:
What, is he living in a bullet and bomb proof bunker all the time? No infiltrator could use his poisoning tricks against him?

Trump would've been all over this as his record of action points out.
Aahaha... Maybe all over it writing grade school poetry for his love, Putin.

https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago/

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, what went wrong was a rigged election and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing. I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.

By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy that says, you know, “I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,” he used the word “independent,” “and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.” You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.

Says it wouldn't have happened under his watch, yet he's fawning over it and calls them peacekeepers...with more tanks than he's ever seen. Righhhht...

IMJ

02-23-2022, 07:40 PM

What, is he living in a bullet and bomb proof bunker all the time? No infiltrator could use his poisoning tricks against him?

:roll:

I can't even address this comment.

Aahaha... Maybe all over it writing grade school poetry for his love, Putin.

https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago/

Says it wouldn't have happened under his watch, yet he's fawning over it and calls them peacekeepers...with more tanks than he's ever seen. Righhhht...

You clearly have no idea how to read context. Trump wasn't calling Russia "peacekeepers" you clown. He was citing what Russia had said and then mocking it. He's saying "Putin said they were peacekeepers" and following it up with "well that's BS - he's sending in the strongest -airquotes- peacekeeping force ever", hence mocking it and calling out Putin's lies. And then he says how this never would have happened under his watch.

OMG your comprehension level is.... I mean this is exactly how an idiot forms her opinions. Go back and re-read the statement. Holy $#!( I can't even believe what you've got in your head. I can't even believe it.

I swear to God that I actually almost feel guilty saying this outright because it's like taking candy from a baby - but you are a f'ing idiot of the highest order and it's clear by how you interpret information. What you wrote and interpreted above is direct evidence of the kind of mental calculus that all of your opinions are born of. I can't even believe it.

You read that and formed the honest-to-God perception that Trump's statement on the matter was that Russia was in the right and that he was saying that Russia is indeed a peacekeeping force. That was your comprehension and ability to read the statement. And that is the headmath you've used to form all of your analysis about current events and the political state that you dig in on so tightly. This isn't "one" mistake on Indigo's part. It's actually direct evidence of who you are really talking to when you engage with her in any discourse. It's a person with ZERO knowledge, and clearly ZERO reading or situational comprehension who only has developed one life skill. And that one life skill is to fake real understanding by digging in and delivering hard-nosed, semantic-arguments in the hopes that nobody notices that she is indeed clueless.

You actually misread and misinterpreted your own source and then delivered your position based on a complete lack of reading comprehension on the matter.

Leo656

02-23-2022, 08:49 PM

Sumac

02-23-2022, 09:38 PM

Putin has started a war.
Hopefully it will be his last war and the last war for this iteration of Russia.
Prayers and strength to the Ukraine.

What, is he living in a bullet and bomb proof bunker all the time? No infiltrator could use his poisoning tricks against him?
Are you an idiot? No, seriously, do you seriously judge the world by comic books and action movies?

Says it wouldn't have happened under his watch, yet he's fawning over it and calls them peacekeepers...with more tanks than he's ever seen. Righhhht...
It is clearly an irony. Drink less left kool-aid, before you start growing sickles and hammers, instead of brain.

IMJ

02-24-2022, 09:32 AM

She's had you blocked for like a year, bro.

I just feel compelled to let you know in case you wish to save your strength going forward. Time is not a renewable resource and you're literally talking to yourself. I know that you value your time greatly, and I'm not sure if you knew that she hasn't seen any of this stuff you say, but now you know. You said you deleted another post earlier because you knew it wouldn't do any good; neither will arguing with someone who can't see what you're saying.

Just FYI.

Oh I know. But I'm also literally talking to everyone who would read the nonsense she posts so that they have a reality as a counterpoint so as not to be drawn into a ridiculous and uninformed opinion that vitriolic people like Indigo might say.

So I could care less about Indigo herself - I never did. But I care more about the quasi-influential nonsense that she puts out into the world, especially here where people onboard with skewed perspective so easily or without real information.

Putin has started a war.
Hopefully it will be his last war and the last war for this iteration of Russia.
Prayers and strength to the Ukraine.

This whole thing is an honest-to-God tragedy, man. Anyone who doesn't think it is clearly has no conceptualization of what this could lead to. Those are real lives in Ukraine that are being threatened and upended - I have two friends from Ukraine who live in Chicago and they are both terrific girls and good people who have a lot of great information about this. And Biden's handling of this is also an open invitation for China to move on Taiwan.

This whole thing is terrible.

Vegita-San

02-24-2022, 09:40 AM

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-24-2022, 10:36 AM

something i've been wondering lately.

why is communism so common on 'the mainland'? The UK seems to have gotten over it. Australia. some other places. but not russia, china, etc. all the bad seems to come from that 'small' section of the world and nothing really changes much.

The United Kingdom and Australia have never been Communist. Russia hasn't been Communist snce the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Vladimir Putin is an aggresive Nationalist and today's Russia is a dyfunctional democracy.

Vegita-San

02-24-2022, 10:37 AM

The United Kingdom and Australia have never been Communist.

what I was trying to get at is that the idea never really took hold over there. yet on the main laind, not so much.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-24-2022, 10:45 AM

what I was trying to get at is that the idea never really took hold over there. yet on the main laind, not so much.

Stil, Communist countries haven't existed in Europe since 1991. Extreme nationalism is the new poison that threatens Europe.

IMJ

02-24-2022, 10:57 AM

Communism is an incredibly effective form of population mobilization and "peasant control". Both of which make it a ripe system for power grabs and the diminishment of a middle class.

MikeandRaph87

02-24-2022, 11:35 AM

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-24-22-intl/index.html

Here are live updates.

IMJ

02-24-2022, 12:41 PM

Most reasonable people have migrated away from CNN as a news source as eyes have been opened.

CNN’s Ratings Collapse: Prime Time Down Nearly 70% In Key Demo (https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2022/02/21/cnns-ratings-collapse-prime-time-down-nearly-70-in-key-demo/?sh=55b96be6dda0)

There are other places to give the clicks to. Some of the extreme-libards & hangers-on here will argue the point, but CNN is in shambles, rightfully so.

Cuomo, there key hate-monger host was fired for sexual harassment.
Toobin exposed himself on a zoom call.
CNN's president Jeff Zucker resigns for having internal sexual "relationships"
Don Lemon conspired with Jessie Smollett who was found lying in court about being "attacked by white people"
And there's more....

And you'd link to CNN for anything? Find another source, dude.

Andrew NDB

02-24-2022, 01:03 PM

lol... only about 100,000 people are watching CNN? That's hysterical.

IMJ

02-24-2022, 01:31 PM

lol... only about 100,000 people are watching CNN? That's hysterical.

Rational people are walking away in droves from the liberal assault and the "woe-is-me-I'll-blame-an-ism" culture. YouTubers are getting more views that the Crap News Network.

MikeandRaph87

02-24-2022, 01:42 PM

It's just a convenient source to refresh as I sit through meetings. I knew the station had been hit hard, but I didn't realize that bad. I had hoped Nickelodeon would continue with decline after the stunt it pulled over the summer. Another thread for another time.

IMJ

02-24-2022, 01:55 PM

MikeandRaph87

02-24-2022, 02:00 PM

I don't know anything about the Nickelodeon thing.....
What should I search for to catch up on that?

Just search : nickelodeon ratings decline lgbtq

Andrew NDB

02-24-2022, 02:29 PM

Just search : nickelodeon ratings decline lgbtq

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2021/june/nickelodeon-ratings-drop-dramatically-as-cable-network-pushes-lgbtq-agenda-to-kids

Really disgusting. Sadly, not at all surprising.

MikeandRaph87

02-24-2022, 03:49 PM

I hadn't watched regular Nick since the premiere of Rise except for Full House repeats I put on the DVR and just the commercials I saw with the credits showed heavy indoctrination. I had paid no mind to it until I heard my cousin banned her five year old daughter from watching Nickelodeon.

Back on topic, it appears Biden thinks that Russia can be economical crippled and no military action will take place to aid The Ukraine. If no helps militarily than Ukraine falls.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-looks-to-cripple-russian-economy-with-sanctions-in-response-to-invasion-of-ukraine-205959251.html

It seems 1,750 Russians have been arrested in Moscow protesting Putin's bullying The Ukraine.

Andrew NDB

02-24-2022, 03:55 PM

It seems 1,750 Russians have been arrested in Moscow protesting Putin's bullying The Ukraine.

Bullying Ukraine? People are getting killed. There are bodies in the streets. There's about 50 videos you can watch right now and see.

MikeandRaph87

02-24-2022, 04:01 PM

Bullying Ukraine? People are getting killed. There are bodies in the streets. There's about 50 videos you can watch right now and see.

Perhaps 'bullying' is too soft a word, but yes, Putin is trying to recreate the USSR of his youth. I just don't think economic sanctions are enough. Someone has to go in and save these people. Ukraine cannot defend itself.

IndigoErth

02-24-2022, 04:06 PM

Putin has started a war.
Hopefully it will be his last war and the last war for this iteration of Russia.
Prayers and strength to the Ukraine.

Are you an idiot? No, seriously, do you seriously judge the world by comic books and action movies?

It is clearly an irony. Drink less left kool-aid, before you start growing sickles and hammers, instead of brain.
You're the weird one who confusingly decided on the Batman angle for some odd reason, as if your leader is somehow immortal and unable to be defeated by real life mortal humans, but sure, okay.

So what are you doing to stop it then? Because what's happening to Ukraine is horrible. Why have people in your nation allowed Putin to even stay in power this long instead of doing whatever was needed to oust him.

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That poor country, I can't believe what is even being done to them. Having the news on in the background last night and overhearing the air raid sirens live was chilling enough from here, I can't imagine having to face that in person.

CyberCubed

02-24-2022, 07:04 PM

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

Leo656

02-24-2022, 07:14 PM

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2021/june/nickelodeon-ratings-drop-dramatically-as-cable-network-pushes-lgbtq-agenda-to-kids

Really disgusting. Sadly, not at all surprising.

"We're totally not trying to program and indoctrinate your kids, you guys. But hang on a minute while we program and indoctrinate your kids."

You don't have to be in any way homophobic to realize and understand that trying to push that kind of thing on three and four year olds simply is not appropriate.

Galactus

02-24-2022, 08:34 PM

Other than blind partisan-ship I don't see how anyone could reasonably think this wouldn't have happened under Trump. Trump spent most of his time palling around with despots in Saudi Arabia, China and Russia in particular. Why does anyone think he'd stand up to these people after spending so much time ingratiating himself to them? Then there's the fact that his first impeachment was about applying pressure to the Ukraine by withholding aid. Granted his reason for doing that was allegedly because he wanted them to spy on Joe Biden but regardless of his motivation that alone should be evidence enough that he'd never side the the Ukraine against Putin. Even the statement that he put out on the issue he can't do a full throated condemnation of Putin's actions and is basically praising him for his "genius" by declaring a portion of Ukraine independent and suggests that he totally should have invaded Mexico in the same way.

Sadly I don't see Biden's or anyone else's sanctions as the answer. Putin doesn't really care about the effect that this will have on his own citizens and and he's way too driven to reclaim everything he feels Russia has lost that anything less than other countries sending their own troops in to help Ukraine would ever deter him.

Rational people are walking away in droves from the liberal assault and the "woe-is-me-I'll-blame-an-ism" culture. YouTubers are getting more views that the Crap News Network.

According to the linked article this is a very sharp drop off after having very good ratings earlier this year. Clearly something happened there that's worthy of discussion and study...still I wonder why it's only comment worthy now that their ratings have dropped and not when they were getting high ratings. No one was saying then "rational people are flocking to CNN in droves after right wing assaults and victim blaming culture". How are the other center-left networks doing? MSNBC seems to be a much bigger target for the political right to moan about being 'woke' but I imagine they aren't doing too bad otherwise we'd never hear the end of it. Fox News had a large slump itself after Biden was sworn in. They've since bounced back but not to the point they were. Sadly in this case it was viewers tuning out for even more extreme voices online. While I don't rate the mainstream media I don't think anyone should be cheering for it's downfall in favour of youtube. As much as I think that Fox News is the absolute worst there is at least some lines that even they wont cross - like as far as I can see all but Hannity are saying this invasion is bad whereas there are some big named right wing youtubers trying to pass it off as good thing.

Now with that out of the way...what has that got to do with anything?

The political right in the US has a multitude of horrible tactics but the ability to distract from big issues by deflecting to culture wars ones has got to be their worst. There's been a sharp rise in white nationalism, a deadly virus has swept across the globe and a bunch of people who thought the former president was communicating with them on a board for anime tried to launch a violent coup on the nations capital that resulted in people dying...and right wing pundits insist the things you should really be mad at are gender pronouns, football players kneeling and whether the green M&M is sexy enough.

We're totally not trying to program and indoctrinate your kids, you guys. But hang on a minute while we program and indoctrinate your kids."

You don't have to be in any way homophobic to realize and understand that trying to push that kind of thing on three and four year olds simply is not appropriate.

You don't have to be a raving SJW to realise and understand that the Christian Broadcasting Network might have a very skewed view on this issue. I don't watch much children's television but I'm sure there is an agenda but I don't see that as a bad thing. As acceptance of LGBTQ people slowly happens kids will naturally see more of it in their everyday lives. Their friend with two moms or their teacher who is trans plus some of these kids will grow up and realise they are queer or trans themselves so it's good to have media that so it's a good thing to have programming that says these are things that exist and it's okay. The people getting mad about this were decades ago getting mad at the purple teletubby. We look back and think that was ridiculous as I'm sure people ten years from now will think the criticism of today's kids shows was stupid.

Leo656

02-24-2022, 09:00 PM

Four year old kids don't need to be told about some stuff. Let them find out about it at a more age-appropriate time.

This is why we suddenly have a swarm of kids who are so young they need to be reminded not to sh*t their pants declaring themselves to be "LGBTQ" when they couldn't even tell you what it means. Kids that young are only barely capable of independent thought, they mostly parrot what they hear other people say. And if they hear people say, "It's okay for boys to wear dresses and girls to have dicks," they'll repeat that. And again, they don't even know what it means yet. BUT, we're supposed to indulge them and allow them to take experimental hormones and undergo elective surgeries anyway. Which to me is "programming". Which isn't right.

Also, schools think it's MORE important, at present, to teach That Stuff to kids - along with a hefty dose of "Whitey Is The Devil" - instead of things like basic reading, math, and science skills. Kids are graduating high school who can't even read BUT they can tell you the entire history of the LGBTQ "struggle" in detail over the last hundred years. Priorities, at present, are completely skewed, and it starts with what we present to kids.

When kids get closer to puberty, they can start learning about it Then at the same time they start learning about everything else relating to sexuality because that's when it becomes relevant to them. Not at an age when they should still be playing with Legos and sh*t.

Should we just start letting kids as young as three or four watch hardcore porn, "since they're gonna learn about it anyway and there's really nothing wrong with it in the first place, so we may as well normalize it"? Most people would say "No, don't be ridiculous". But it's really not very far away from what people are already pushing for.

Again, people who lean more left have a VERY hard time recognizing that most peoples' points of view aren't black-and-white but rather have many degrees and lots of nuance. Most people who don't want children's programming inundated with Gay Stuff don't have any problem with gay people. They just think it's not appropriate for kids. Just like some of the books that are so controversial in schools at the moment. SOME people want them eliminated altogether, but not MOST people. MOST people simply don't think those books are appropriate for a school library, specifically, especially certain topics which may be put in the hands of people too young for the material. In theory, most of the people protesting said books wouldn't have an issue with them being in a regular public library, they just don't want it in a SCHOOL setting, because in that setting those materials are not appropriate. Just like you wouldn't stock copies of Hustler at your local school library, either.

But again. "Liberals" and "Nuance" are not great bedfellows. You're either "accept everything" or "You're a Bigot".

I can assure you, nobody has less of a problem with gay people than I do. I keep saying this. I just don't think certain things are appropriate for young kids. That doesn't make me or anyone who feels that way a bad person. The fact is, it's how MOST parents feel but they're too scared to say so out loud because of the current social climate. I myself am not a parent, but plenty of people I know are. Including one of my gay friends who has a kid. And HE even thinks this "social programming" stuff is completely bananas and that they shouldn't push it on young kids. Again, he's a gay man in a relationship who's raising a child. In his opinion, some things are not age appropriate for very young children.

I'd love to see someone call him a misguided, closed-minded bigot. He's about 6'4, 275lbs of solid muscle and I can attest from experience that he can throw the average person pretty far. Again, I would LOVE for someone to tell that guy he has the wrong idea about this kind of thing. It'd be fun to watch that "conversation".

Sumac

02-24-2022, 09:27 PM

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.
Trump was unpredictable and Putin couldn't count on him doing exactly what he wanted.

Sleepy Brandon - on the other hand, is extremely predictable. He is basically like Obama - all words, no bite. And sanctions means nothing to Putler - he just let his pet brainwashers to convince population that sanctions are done, because, Russia is so amazing and everyone are jealous. Basically like any authoritarian country does.

Galactus

02-24-2022, 09:57 PM

This is were the word 'sexuality' is an ill fit for the discussion as it allows people to frame the argument about is it appropriate for young children to learn about sex - something we can all agree is wrong - as opposed to whether they should learn about other lifestyles.

It's not a case were they will learn about it eventually, as the LGBTQ community continues to slowly gain acceptance they are will also feel free to be themselves in public without fear of repurcussions and kids are going to see it all around them. They'll see a guy kissing his husband goodbye as he goes to work, they'll see two woman holding hands walking down the street and more. None of that is sexual in any way nor is it innapropriate for a child. Programming that sends the message explicitly or not that it's okay to be LGBTQ is no more indoctrination than those moral lessons at the end of He-Man or GI Joe. Perhaps a better analogy would be Captain Planet which was purely a vehicle for an environmentalist message. Funnily enough it didn't brainwash our generation into all joining Green Peace...although if it taught a few people to respect the environment than I'd say that's a good thing.

I'm sure your gay friend genuinely believes that having anything LGBTQ in children's programming is indoctrination but there are gay people who also don't believe in equal marriage neither is a popular view in the gay community. There are many reasons why a few gay people gravitate to these views (which they are perfectly entitled to have) but they shouldn't be held up as an example of why it's wrong to have any pro gay message in children's entertainment.

There is no school anywhere that teaches the "the entire history of the gay struggle" and no one teaches them to hate white people. In most US schools lessons about race tend to stop at the voting rights act. The mere suggestion that it should go beyond that (or to go into greater depth about the civil rights movement) has had right wingers protesting in the streets about critical race theory. None of the above is going to teach kids that being straight and white is bad and those who think otherwise are the ones who really struggle with nuance.

Leo656

02-24-2022, 10:18 PM

no one teaches them to hate white people. In most US schools lessons about race tend to stop at the voting rights act. The mere suggestion that it should go beyond that (or to go into greater depth about the civil rights movement) has had right wingers protesting in the streets about critical race theory. None of the above is going to teach kids that bring straight and white is bad and those who think otherwise are the ones who really struggle with nuance.

Bullllllshiiiiiiiiiit. I've seen multiple stories in the news of parents raising hell specifically because their five or six-year old kids came home crying and asking "Am I evil?" because they were white and something in their Kindergarten or First Grade Class curriculum more or less said so.

And like "sexuality", stuff like "The entire system is racist," "All white people are inherently prejudiced", etc. etc. is NOT stuff you need to be filling kids' heads up with at that age.

You can say "Nobody is pushing this stuff on little kids" all day long. You're wrong. They are, and it's not right.

Kindergarteners and First Graders need to be working on spelling, colors, shapes, and 2+2=4. Not "Boys can wear dresses" and "Don't Trust Whitey." It's bullsh*t. Parents don't want their taxes paying for that sh*t, and they're right to fight back on it.

Also, as Andrew and others have pointed out in the past... race relations were a LOT better on the whole 20-30 years ago, when kids were basically taught the opposite of what they're being taught now. Back then, "Race doesn't matter, treat people as People." Now it's "Race absolutely matters, and by the way, the whole game is fixed against you if you're not white." Lo and behold, people who are raised with that attitude are PROVEN to become angry, maladjusted malcontents who don't apply themselves in any meaningful way to become contributors to society because "Why bother? The whole game is rigged anyway."

Trust me, I've worked alongside a lot of black people who grew up being taught "Whitey is the devil." They're lazy, entitled assholes, mad at the world and contribute nothing. And it's all because they were taught from a very young age, be it from family or school or whoever, "All white people are bad, they'll never let you get ahead so it's pointless to TRY to get ahead. Just sell drugs and try and stay off the radar."

Meanwhile, the black people who were raised with the "People are People" mentality are hard-working, not-bitter, and high-achieving. Go figure.

It's like if you TELL people from birth that they're gonna be forced into "Perpetual Victim" status by a society that's biased against them, they start believing it and stop applying themselves.

Things were better off before. When all the racial tension stuff was considered "the past", and the fact that a few bad apples still exist did not altogether mean that "EVERYONE is Racist", which is what people are being taught Now. It's toxic, it poisons minds, and it needs to stop. It DEFINITELY has no place in any classroom.

The current situation is 100% "thanks" to race-hustling, ambulance-chasing instigators like Al Sharpton, who if they weren't seeing make-believe Racist Bogeymen in every passing cloud they'd have nothing at all to do with themselves and so they manufactured an issue that isn't actually real so that they could remain relevant (and also, get rich). The fact that so many people fall for that bullsh*t is insane. But again, if you scream lies at people long enough, you wear them down and they start believing you.

It's f*cked up. The whole thing is f*cked up.

Andrew NDB

02-24-2022, 11:14 PM

Trump was unpredictable and Putin couldn't count on him doing exactly what he wanted.

Exactly. And then the media actually helped Trump out (well, I mean helped us out, and by that I really mean Ukraine) by constantly asserting everyday, "Trump is going to start World War III next week!" and "We need new laws or Trump is going to just start launching nukes at China, North Korea!!!" Whether he believed that garbage or not, that had to give Putin pause. He didn't have the 40 years to look back on of failures as a politician he has now with Biden as he did with Trump. He had like months, a year or two nearing the end, during which he was always unpredictable.

Sleepy Brandon - on the other hand, is extremely predictable. He is basically like Obama - all words, no bite.

The few words he can string together that make any sense.

Also, as Andrew and others have pointed out in the past... race relations were a LOT better on the whole 20-30 years ago, when kids were basically taught the opposite of what they're being taught now. Back then, "Race doesn't matter, treat people as People." Now it's "Race absolutely matters, and by the way, the whole game is fixed against you if you're not white."

"There's racism everywhere! We must fight for equality!" Then if you say, "I don't think there's racism everywhere and I think we're pretty much there in terms of equality. It is you who are forcing this new sort of inequality" then you get this:

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/56516615/racist.jpg

IMJ

02-25-2022, 08:28 AM

On that note....

https://i.imgur.com/VfGSuiSl.png

And :lol: at the "how do you know?" assault/defense. :roll:

https://i.imgur.com/5AJayNl.gif

ChosenOne

02-25-2022, 10:49 AM

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

Really? I don't have to wonder at all. Take the guard dog away from the sheep pen and you invite the wolves in.

joe-eyeball

02-25-2022, 11:55 AM

Really? I don't have to wonder at all. Take the guard dog away from the sheep pen and you invite the wolves in.

I’ll be honest I suspect things would be different if it were Trump in office but ultimately who knows? I’m more irritated by all the liberal responses when legitimate questions and concerns are being addressed regarding Biden’s obvious mishandling of this situation, and the liberal response is something like “well Trump wouldn’t have done any better!”

It’s irrelevant what Trump would have done and all that matters is how the current boiled potato in office is fumbling the ball every time it’s handed to him.

I wonder if all we will hear about for the most part is Biden’s Supreme Court nomination and how great he is for being brave enough to nominate a black female for the position? Because you know black female is a super important requirement to the highest court in America.

IndigoErth

02-25-2022, 01:57 PM

I wonder if all we will hear about for the most part is Biden’s Supreme Court nomination...
If that's all you're hearing about then your sources are excluding part of the news.

Yeah, I wish he'd come out tougher on it, though I wasn't able to watch his speech on it yesterday so not sure how that went. He's not a bag of hot air the way Trump was, spouting off "tough guy" words that result in little, so no, he doesn't sound as strong because he focuses more on the real work of it, not just making a superficial display to the public.

But he and other world leaders have been in discussions virtually, they're using sanctions etc, that Putin was predictable in not caring about, but the decisions also have to be a multi-country effort, not just the U.S. going in guns blazing on our dime and stepping on the toes of those countries far more local to Russia, including possible next targets of Putin's, and need to have a bigger voice on the matter.

And being Russia we're talking about, that does need rather careful decision making. That's not dealing with an nest of flustered honey bees, it's trying to figure out how to strategically punt a nest of murder hornets.

Andrew NDB

02-25-2022, 02:08 PM

He's not a bag of hot air the way Trump was, spouting off "tough guy" words that result in little

But that's exactly the point: they result in little. As in no foreign superpowers making any moves on his watch, because they were scared Trump would swat them.

FredWolfLeonardo

02-25-2022, 02:12 PM

One theory of mine as to why the invasion of Ukraine is happening now rather than earlier or later is that Putin is 69 years old, and fearful of his death to come, whether it be from old age or an assasination attempt. As such, he wants to see his vision of the Soviet-era borders restored before he dies, and he knows that now is a better time than ever because of American instability, and the reluctance of the Western Powers to directly send in troops.

I don't think the sanctions will have any signficant effect either, Russia is a vast country with a lot of natural resources, not to mention the backing of countries like China.

joe-eyeball

02-25-2022, 02:16 PM

If that's all you're hearing about then your sources are excluding part of the news.

I did say “I wonder” not “I’m hearing from my sources...”

Please don’t kid yourself into thinking the media doesn’t use misdirection. I think you’re smarter than that.

IndigoErth

02-25-2022, 02:18 PM

But that's exactly the point: they result in little. As in no foreign superpowers making any moves on his watch, because they were scared Trump would swat them.
Even if true I doubt that would have lasted him a second term. Putin is smart enough that he'd have caught on anyhow that it's all useless hot air and that Trump's apparent idolizing of Putin may well have resulted in a weak response from him.

As such, he wants to see his vision of the Soviet-era borders restored before he dies
Good point, and if he cares more about seeing that happen than the state he leave his own nation and citizens in, then why not go for it now when he won't have to worry about any of that after he's dead and won't be his problem.

Andrew NDB

02-25-2022, 02:21 PM

Even if true I doubt that would have lasted him a second term. Putin is smart enough that he'd have caught on anyhow that it's all useless hot air and that Trump's apparent idolizing of Putin may well have resulted in a weak response from him.

Well, we can't speculate on what conflicts Trump's bloviating and unpredictability did or didn't prevent, because the conflicts never happened. That's kind of the point.

Also, it's pretty weird what equates to "idolizing" with leftists. Stop it. You don't even believe it. It makes you sound ridiculous.

IndigoErth

02-25-2022, 02:26 PM

Also, it's pretty weird what equates to "idolizing" with leftists. Stop it. You don't even believe it.
When he was talking up Putin all positive-like and admiring him, just as he was about to send in an attack on Ukraine, totally counter to what the rest of the world was seeing and saying, yeah, that's rather demented idolizing-like behavior. Why do rightists choose to be blind. Stop it.

FredWolfLeonardo

02-25-2022, 02:26 PM

Ukraine is only one country that was once under Soviet control, makes you wonder who could be invaded next. Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan? Belarus? Even Poland?

joe-eyeball

02-25-2022, 02:30 PM

Ukraine is only one country that was once under Soviet control, makes you wonder who could be invaded next. Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan? Belarus? Even Poland?

No doubt this is a potential reality! Also could this embolden China against Taiwan?

Andrew NDB

02-25-2022, 03:26 PM

Jesus... Russian troops are marching with a mobile crematorium as they go? Just vaporizing bodies? Goodness gracious.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-invasion-russian-mobile-crematorium

oldmanwinters

02-25-2022, 03:51 PM

Jesus... Russian troops are marching with a mobile crematorium as they go? Just vaporizing bodies? Goodness gracious.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-invasion-russian-mobile-crematorium

:teek: :teek: :teek: :teek:

Saw this today that the advance is not going as well as planned:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-offensive-unexpectedly-slowed-fierce-184643283.html

IMJ

02-25-2022, 04:37 PM

:teek: :teek: :teek: :teek:

Saw this today that the advance is not going as well as planned:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-offensive-unexpectedly-slowed-fierce-184643283.html

I'm sure it isn't. We are talking about people defending their lives and homes to an extreme. But ultimately Ukraine can't resist this offensive and the truth is that Russia has gotten this far on only the first real wave of military input.

Part of me hopes that the Ukranian government has wired the every capital building with tremendous explosives and left so that the Russian invaders are obliterated simply by occupying the space. That's a purely emotional judgement on my part there - not a tactical one.

CyberCubed

02-25-2022, 04:54 PM

I think people forget how hard it is to conquer a country in the modern world of 2022. It isn't 1945 anymore, the world is connected through computers and technology and Ukraine as a country is pretty big in itself. Yes Russia has more military power, but being able to hold an entire country like that with both the civilian population fleeing and the military fighting against them and of course it's not easy.

Who knows what will happen as the months go on though.

MikeandRaph87

02-25-2022, 09:49 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-reports-13-chinese-warplanes-222956278.html
China now making moves to potentially seize Taiwan with Russia taking Ukraine.

Sumac

02-25-2022, 09:51 PM

You're the weird one who confusingly decided on the Batman angle for some odd reason, as if your leader is somehow immortal and unable to be defeated by real life mortal humans, but sure, okay.
It is totally not weird suggesting some dumb scenarios like "bunch of James Bonds takes out a villain". Just WTF?
Do you have an ability and knowledge to refer to something that is not action movies or comic books?

So what are you doing to stop it then? Because what's happening to Ukraine is horrible. Why have people in your nation allowed Putin to even stay in power this long instead of doing whatever was needed to oust him.
I am gonna do nothing, because, I value my life and don't want to end up in jail or in the grave.

But, if you was as brave and decisive, as you pretend to be, I am sure you would come here and tried to stage a protest. After all it is very easy to do, when your enemy exists solely in your head, like those Trump Death Squads, or when when you are sitting in a comfort of your own room on another end of the world.

Sure, show us by example, how to do it. If you dare.

People in my nation are scared of consequences. I do blame them, but I understand why they are afraid. Something seemingly you can't comprehend, which means you either have no-one to care about or just don't care about meaning of your own words.

Other than blind partisan-ship I don't see how anyone could reasonably think this wouldn't have happened under Trump.
Last time, when Russians attempted to do so something funny in Syria, Trump gave an order and those funny Russian mercenaries turned into 200 dead mercenaries. Which is enough of an answer, why Putin hadn't try anything like it, during Trump's rule.

Of course, you conveniently ignore this, because, that's the only thing weaklings like you can do, to no ruin your precious fake ****ing picture of your imbecilic world.

The political right in the US has a multitude of horrible tactics but the ability to distract from big issues by deflecting to culture wars ones has got to be their worst. There's been a sharp rise in white nationalism, a deadly virus has swept across the globe and a bunch of people who thought the former president was communicating with them on a board for anime tried to launch a violent coup on the nations capital that resulted in people dying...and right wing pundits insist the things you should really be mad at are gender pronouns, football players kneeling and whether the green M&M is sexy enough.
Yaaaas, Queeeeeeenn!

Its not like Left constantly make mountains out of molehills, with "what is your identity today - boy, girl or a deer" or "how to chop off your dick, so everyone would think you are a woman" or "why creators should not have right to write Black characters without being Black" or "when its healthy to buy little kids their first dildo"....yeah, very IMPORTANT issues, which concern everyone in the world!!

I wonder why White Nationalism is rising...could it be, because, Left politics make White people felt like citizens of the second class, who should forget their own culture and achievements, just to feel permanently guilty, because, of some **** that had happened few generations ago?

Could it be, because, whenever, someone insists that immigrants should learn local languages and customs and live by the laws of the country they are trying to settle in, Left trash screams that it is "Nazism!!!!1111!".

Could it be, that Left doesn't spend enough on acclimatizing of immigrants and when they become criminals, they blame "nazzzzzzzisms!!!" as the reason why people dare to don't like those poor poor people?

Yes, it is worthy to be mad at "gender pronounce", because, it is insanity, which directly affects kids and weak minded people. And, yes, kneeling in front of anyone, except the queen, is a humiliation. **** that ****.

You don't have to be a raving SJW to realise and understand that the Christian Broadcasting Network might have a very skewed view on this issue. I don't watch much children's television but I'm sure there is an agenda but I don't see that as a bad thing. As acceptance of LGBTQ people slowly happens kids will naturally see more of it in their everyday lives. Their friend with two moms or their teacher who is trans plus some of these kids will grow up and realise they are queer or trans themselves so it's good to have media that so it's a good thing to have programming that says these are things that exist and it's okay. The people getting mad about this were decades ago getting mad at the purple teletubby. We look back and think that was ridiculous as I'm sure people ten years from now will think the criticism of today's kids shows was stupid.
Except it won't change the fact that most queer people are just attention whores and most trans are rapey mentally ill deviants and abusers, who belong to mental asylum. Also, men can't become women. And never will be, so trans won't ever be normal. Good day, sir!

Of course, those cases, where "poor oppressed trans and queers do something bad-bad" won't be widely published, but when this shitshow and pandering will be over, people will see this mountain of **** for what it really is and will be horrified how they could even think about normalizing trans and queer.

But go on, pretend that abusive insanity is normal.

Four year old kids don't need to be told about some stuff. Let them find out about it at a more age-appropriate time.

This is why we suddenly have a swarm of kids who are so young they need to be reminded not to sh*t their pants declaring themselves to be "LGBTQ" when they couldn't even tell you what it means. Kids that young are only barely capable of independent thought, they mostly parrot what they hear other people say. And if they hear people say, "It's okay for boys to wear dresses and girls to have dicks," they'll repeat that. And again, they don't even know what it means yet. BUT, we're supposed to indulge them and allow them to take experimental hormones and undergo elective surgeries anyway. Which to me is "programming". Which isn't right.

Also, schools think it's MORE important, at present, to teach That Stuff to kids - along with a hefty dose of "Whitey Is The Devil" - instead of things like basic reading, math, and science skills. Kids are graduating high school who can't even read BUT they can tell you the entire history of the LGBTQ "struggle" in detail over the last hundred years. Priorities, at present, are completely skewed, and it starts with what we present to kids.

When kids get closer to puberty, they can start learning about it Then at the same time they start learning about everything else relating to sexuality because that's when it becomes relevant to them. Not at an age when they should still be playing with Legos and sh*t.

Should we just start letting kids as young as three or four watch hardcore porn, "since they're gonna learn about it anyway and there's really nothing wrong with it in the first place, so we may as well normalize it"? Most people would say "No, don't be ridiculous". But it's really not very far away from what people are already pushing for.

Again, people who lean more left have a VERY hard time recognizing that most peoples' points of view aren't black-and-white but rather have many degrees and lots of nuance. Most people who don't want children's programming inundated with Gay Stuff don't have any problem with gay people. They just think it's not appropriate for kids. Just like some of the books that are so controversial in schools at the moment. SOME people want them eliminated altogether, but not MOST people. MOST people simply don't think those books are appropriate for a school library, specifically, especially certain topics which may be put in the hands of people too young for the material. In theory, most of the people protesting said books wouldn't have an issue with them being in a regular public library, they just don't want it in a SCHOOL setting, because in that setting those materials are not appropriate. Just like you wouldn't stock copies of Hustler at your local school library, either.

But again. "Liberals" and "Nuance" are not great bedfellows. You're either "accept everything" or "You're a Bigot".

I can assure you, nobody has less of a problem with gay people than I do. I keep saying this. I just don't think certain things are appropriate for young kids. That doesn't make me or anyone who feels that way a bad person. The fact is, it's how MOST parents feel but they're too scared to say so out loud because of the current social climate. I myself am not a parent, but plenty of people I know are. Including one of my gay friends who has a kid. And HE even thinks this "social programming" stuff is completely bananas and that they shouldn't push it on young kids. Again, he's a gay man in a relationship who's raising a child. In his opinion, some things are not age appropriate for very young children.

I'd love to see someone call him a misguided, closed-minded bigot. He's about 6'4, 275lbs of solid muscle and I can attest from experience that he can throw the average person pretty far. Again, I would LOVE for someone to tell that guy he has the wrong idea about this kind of thing. It'd be fun to watch that "conversation".
100% This.

IndigoErth

02-26-2022, 12:26 AM

Do you have an ability and knowledge to refer to something that is not action movies or comic books?
Do you have the ability not to invent weird crap you pretend someone else is doing and scream at them about, or is that just normal twisted Far Right behavior.

Maybe you're just too afraid to say much and lash out at others instead like this because if they find out the authorities will go arrest you.

Leo656

02-26-2022, 12:53 AM

I think in Russia they can kind of do that without a valid reason, and it's worse if you give them any semblance of one... and I think that that's kind of Sumac's point. People over there don't "Do More" because they don't see it helping and they're mostly resigned to This Is How It Is. Why "fight back" and become enemies of the state when "the state" is all too happy to punish them for it?

He's spoken at great length in many threads about how people over there just accept dictators and their dictator behavior as a way of life because that's how it's always been. Nihilism maybe isn't an attractive trait or outlook, but it tends to creep in over long periods of utter hopelessness. And I suspect that's where most Russian people are.

It's easy to forget that in most of the world, people are not "allowed" to fight back against or even criticize their governments, no matter WHAT they do. It's part of what makes America so "exceptional"; we get to do that (to a point) and nobody else gets to at all. Even the basic concept of "free speech" - as nebulous as it can be - is something that I've been told many times by people from all over the world is "crazy". I.e., "You can't just say whatever you want! What if people get mad/punish you?"

I don't envy the people over there, but I can understand why they don't try and change their own situation. It really kind of IS hopeless. If not Putin, who else? I mean, I literally don't know, I'm no geopolitician and he's frankly the only Russian politico whom I even know the name of. But I ASSUME that if Putin weren't there, it would be someone As Bad or Worse, same as it is with so many countries in the Middle East which have similar problems.

The fact is, there are a LOT of countries on Earth that would only ever "get better" if someone somehow gutted them completely and "started over". Problem is... that's kind of impossible, because of how certain systems are so entrenched.

It's a big reason I'm such a cynic, myself. There IS no "saving the world". HUGE chunks of it do not WANT to be "saved" and you can't drag them kicking and screaming into the "Modern Age". The best you can do is threaten to spank them if they misbehave. And when they don't listen, well... you get what we have Right Now.

It's a mess. But I honestly don't know how it can ever possibly be "fixed". Especially since I don't live over there. Mostly all I know of Russia is from Sumac's posts and the words of multiple people I worked with over the years who used to live there. Their consensus was always some variant of, "Place is sh*thole, that's why I'm here and not there." I'm inclined to believe them, but past that, I have no idea. Everyone I ever talked to basically implied there's no "fixing" sh*t over there, just to try and get out if there's any possible way and be done with it altogether. Which not everyone can do, obviously.

It's a mess, for sure, but I get why so many people just resign to it. If you can't leave, what's the alternative? "Fight back"? They're literally not allowed to do that.
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Without making it overtly Dvs.R kinda thing, I don't think it's any coincidence at all that these countries always start sh*t when a Democrat is President, though. Go figure, the Democrats go on TV for years screeching about war being bad and "let other countries do whatever, we have our own problems at home, it's not our place to meddle in others' affairs", and then whenever we have a Democrat President again these other countries suddenly wanna flex. I WONDER why that is? I mean it's not like they were basically told, "Go ahead, we're weak on foreign policy" or anything, going back countless decades. Like, at least the Republicans don't go on TV and OPENLY SAY things like "We won't physically intervene in other countries' affairs." Once you expose a weakness, you're basically giving permission. That's a big reason so many Republican candidates always talk up the military so big; they're well aware that other countries are watching what we say/do, and you need to at least project an appearance of strength.

In hindsight, America was probably way too nice when the Cold War ended. We were collectively just so happy to have Russia as our "buddy" again that we just went right back to making kissy-face with them, not really caring whether or not they were secretly plotting some kind of nonsense to eventually put things right back to where they were. Even when we've been warned about it coming sooner or later, we're like "Naaaaaah, they wouldn't!" And now, here we are.

Seems to be a bit of a recurring theme. America has a long history of being way too nice to countries and their leaders who later go on to make us look spectacularly stupid for giving them the benefit of the doubt in the first place. This is just the latest example.

Sh*t wouldn't be happening under Reagan. :trazz:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-26-2022, 03:57 AM

What I wonder is why didn't Putin invade when Trump was president? Why did he wait till now? I'm confused why he didn't do it when Trump was praising him from 2016-2020.

Vladimir Putin probably first waited for Donald Trump to be re-elected in November 2020, allowing the USA to leave the NATO and withdraw its soldiers from Europe. That never happened, so instead he took advantage of the continuing Coronavirus pandemic.

Andrew NDB

02-26-2022, 05:02 AM

ZariusTwo

02-26-2022, 06:16 AM

Poland refusing to play Russia in the World Cup qualifier

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1497505588263141382?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

The Deadman

02-26-2022, 06:29 AM

When he was talking up Putin all positive-like and admiring him, just as he was about to send in an attack on Ukraine, totally counter to what the rest of the world was seeing and saying, yeah, that's rather demented idolizing-like behavior. Why do rightists choose to be blind. Stop it.

Your irony knows no bounds. Stop it.

The Deadman

02-26-2022, 06:38 AM

Vladimir Putin probably first waited for Donald Trump to be re-elected in November 2020, allowing the USA to leave the NATO and withdraw its soldiers from Europe. That never happened, so instead he took advantage of the continuing Coronavirus pandemic.

There's no proof that Trump would allow Putin to just invade any country because they got along.

Leftists fail to realize that Biden pulled out the remaining troops from the Afghan region and what happened after that? The Taliban took right back over and the Afghan president ran with his tail tucked between his legs. But sure, Trump was totally going to pull the US out of NATO so Putin could have free reign. Holy ****.

Sumac

02-26-2022, 08:28 AM

Do you have the ability not to invent weird crap you pretend someone else is doing and scream at them about, or is that just normal twisted Far Right behavior.

Maybe you're just too afraid to say much and lash out at others instead like this because if they find out the authorities will go arrest you.
Considering me "far-right" is a peak of...not being smart, to say the least. But, I now that childish Leftoids can't see people as "normal, with different opinions", so I forgive you for this. I can't expect better from you, after all.

And, no, I am not afraid of saying anything, its just your "scenarios" work only in action movies. Knowing Leftoids obsession with pop-culture, which replaces their education and proper knowledge, I am not surprised, that you create such scenarios. Once again, I don't blame you, that's the best your brain-on-the-left can come up with, but it doesn't win you points.
:tsad:

I’ll be honest I suspect things would be different if it were Trump in office but ultimately who knows? I’m more irritated by all the liberal responses when legitimate questions and concerns are being addressed regarding Biden’s obvious mishandling of this situation, and the liberal response is something like “well Trump wouldn’t have done any better!”

It’s irrelevant what Trump would have done and all that matters is how the current boiled potato in office is fumbling the ball every time it’s handed to him.

I wonder if all we will hear about for the most part is Biden’s Supreme Court nomination and how great he is for being brave enough to nominate a black female for the position? Because you know black female is a super important requirement to the highest court in America.
That's funny, because, Left-peabrains were seething every time, when Trump, justified or not, blamed Obama for problems.
And now, lo and behold, our "just friends who love science and logic" are suddenly doing the same, shifting their blame on Trump, whether its irrelevant or not.
So much for being better!

One theory of mine as to why the invasion of Ukraine is happening now rather than earlier or later is that Putin is 69 years old, and fearful of his death to come, whether it be from old age or an assasination attempt. As such, he wants to see his vision of the Soviet-era borders restored before he dies, and he knows that now is a better time than ever because of American instability, and the reluctance of the Western Powers to directly send in troops.
Yeah, I suspect he has a "I want to leave some legacy type of thing going on", otherwise it is very hard to explain rationally, what dwarf is doing or why.

Ukraine is only one country that was once under Soviet control, makes you wonder who could be invaded next. Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan? Belarus? Even Poland?
Anyone.
The problem is that even if Putin attacks NATO countries no-one will take responsibility at starting direct war with a nuclear power.
No-one wants to play in the nuclear Russian roulette with a potentially crazy lunatic. Though, personally I wonder what his response would have been, if someone would have been brave enough to do that and throw nuclear bomb his way.

Putin has mentality of a petty thief and a bully, and those usually crumble when they see someone who is stronger and who doesn't afraid of punching them in a face. That's basically a foundation of his politics in the last 10 years.

I think people forget how hard it is to conquer a country in the modern world of 2022. It isn't 1945 anymore, the world is connected through computers and technology and Ukraine as a country is pretty big in itself. Yes Russia has more military power, but being able to hold an entire country like that with both the civilian population fleeing and the military fighting against them and of course it's not easy.

Who knows what will happen as the months go on though.
The things is, Russia might take over Ukraine and install puppet government, but then what?

How they gonna maintain control over country, where 99% of people hate them?

Constant guerilla warfare, acts of terror - all of those would weaken even powerful military bit by bit. Remember, what had happened with Americans in the Vietnam or Soviets in Afghanistan? In both cases superior numbers were unable to fight against small squads of partisans. The only answer is a total genocide, which will lead to even greater resistance and probably (finally) some international intervention (let's call them "volunteers").
What Putin had started is an unwinnable war, which will lead only to even more problems to Russia. Not that dwarf cares about Russia.

Yeah, I wish he'd come out tougher on it, though I wasn't able to watch his speech on it yesterday so not sure how that went. He's not a bag of hot air the way Trump was, spouting off "tough guy" words that result in little, so no, he doesn't sound as strong because he focuses more on the real work of it, not just making a superficial display to the public.
In politics, it is not about what you say, it is about how you say it.

If you pretend to be a political leader of any importance, yet, you talk and look like you are about to catch a stroke any moment, than, of course, no-one will take you seriously.

Yeah, Trump said a lot of empty or stupid stuff, but he always knew how to dress it up so it still would come as something legitimate, which gave him a leg up compared to most modern political leaders who are all complacent bureaucrats with no spine or balls.

Also, justifying weak response of the US and allies towards Russian aggression by "but that's a multicountry effort" is ********. We don't live in an age of pigeons. We live in the age of a ****ing Internet, where all possible questions can be resolved in a manner of hours and something tells me, one country attacking another in a very center of Europe, warrants a quick, extremely ****ing quick answer.

But let me guess, you answer will be something-something Trump is bad doo-doo-doo.
Damn, zealots. But at least they are fascinating examples of how dumb humans can be.

IMJ

02-26-2022, 09:34 AM

There's no proof that Trump would allow Putin to just invade any country because they got along.

Leftists fail to realize that Biden pulled out the remaining troops from the Afghan region and what happened after that? The Taliban took right back over and the Afghan president ran with his tail tucked between his legs. But sure, Trump was totally going to pull the US out of NATO so Putin could have free reign. Holy ****.

Exactly.
Additionally, we want our President to be able to go out and schmooze the leadership of other countries. That's called "being a politician". So far Trump is the only guy who was able to do that with Putin and that goof from North Korea.

It's fascinating to me as well that this is going on and there is a bigger picture problem and deranged fools like Indigo are still talking about Trump in any negative way possible. These life-lost are going to be on their death beds muttering quietly "Don't let Trump get me", "Don't let Trump come in here".

The Deadman

02-26-2022, 10:06 AM

Also Joe Biden isnt a bag of hot air like Trump? How is saying "we're gonna wait a month to see if the sanctions we placed on Russia changes Putin's mind" not full of hot air? If Putin really cared about sanctions, he wouldnt have even thought about invading Ukraine.

IndigoErth

02-26-2022, 01:44 PM

Also, justifying weak response of the US and allies towards Russian aggression by "but that's a multicountry effort" is ********. We don't live in an age of pigeons. We live in the age of a ****ing Internet, where all possible questions can be resolved in a manner of hours and something tells me, one country attacking another in a very center of Europe, warrants a quick, extremely ****ing quick answer.

But let me guess, you answer will be something-something Trump is bad doo-doo-doo.
Damn, zealots. But at least they are fascinating examples of how dumb humans can be.
While the people of your nation are either too weak or too afraid to do anything or "just can't," so they either try and risk arrest or sit there doing nothing, so you really have no room to talk about what other nations should be doing about this when they're the ones actually trying to strategize that out in a way that doesn't just set YOUR leader off to trying to start World War 3 with everyone else.

Blah blah blah screaming about "leftists"... But hey, a conservative nation with little freedom of speech because they support authoritarianism and as a result exist stuck under the thumb of a crazy autocrat that they are too weak to do anything about and now he's launching attacks on a neighboring country. So how is that working out for you??

It's not a coincidence that this happens with a conservative, authoritarian minded country or that, even if you reject Putin, you still found Trump, a like minded wannabe autocrat himself, appealing.

Yeah, as someone who is left of center, the lure of authoritarianism that some conservatives, largely the Far Right type, find so appealing is certainly one of the rather concerning things about their ideology and choices in political leaders because the rest of us DON'T WANT TO BECOME RUSSIA.

And the record:

Biden approves $350 million in military aid for Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-approves-350-million-military-aid-ukraine-2022-02-26/

On Saturday, Blinken said in a statement that this third authorization for weapons shipments to Ukraine was "unprecedented."

The Pentagon said the weapons included anti-armor, small arms, body armor and various munitions in support of Ukraine's front-line defenders. In addition, a State Department spokesperson said the materiel included anti-aircraft systems.

The United States drew from U.S. weapons stocks to supply Ukraine in the fall of 2021 and then again in December. Over the past year the United States has committed more than $1 billion in security assistance to Ukraine, Blinken said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-asks-congress-64-billion-ukraine-crisis-2022-02-25/

White House asks Congress for $6.4 billion for Ukraine crisis

You wanna pitch in on some of that, because that's our tax dollars being sent to fight your nation's absurd war on Ukraine while our own people are hurting under the same rising inflation as many other nations and this unnecessary war is only going to make it worse, but maybe that's one of Putin's goals.

FredWolfLeonardo

02-26-2022, 02:27 PM

I'm thinking that the huge influx of Ukrainian refugees could badly destabilise the European Union, more than it already was after letting in a large number of refugees from the Middle East and North Africa.

Also, while sanctions on Russia and sending aid to Ukraine seems to be the primary strategy of the United States to deter the Russian invasion, the aid might just backfire in the long run. The last time the U.S. supplied local resistance to fight off invaders in Afghanistan, the resistance ultimately ended up turning on the very people who armed them.

I definetly think that there is a ultra-nationalistic presence in Ukraine that can explode in popularity after a combination of Russian destruction, and Western intervention, a presence that can ultimately become just another enemy to the very people who helped them fight the Reds.

Of course, supplying arms is much better than to directly attack Russia and risk Nuclear retaliation, but is it wise for the West to get involved and risk making a future enemy? Should the United States get involved or pursue isolationism?

MikeandRaph87

02-26-2022, 03:27 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/what-the-russian-media-is-saying-about-the-war-in-ukraine-100046012.html

Putin lost his fake news narrative.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/russia-ukraine-live-updates-ukrainian-195800395.html

Someone finally stepped up militarily for Ukraine. Germany is sending in in tanks and weapons

Coola Yagami

02-26-2022, 03:35 PM

Vicky82

02-26-2022, 04:00 PM

Chelsea Football Club Owner Roman Abramovich to relinquish stewardship of club.

https://news.sky.com/story/chelsea-owner-roman-abramovich-to-relinquish-stewardship-of-club-12552700

Roman Abramovich has been the owner of Chelsea Football Club since 2003. His decision to relinquish his stewardship comes in light of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which has faced international condemnation. Mr Abramovich is a Russian oligarch who's had close ties to Vladimir Putin.

The Russian billionaire will no longer be involved in club matters on a day-to-day basis - and long term strategic decision-making powers will instead be handed over to the Chelsea Foundation. The move comes in light of Russia's widely condemned invasion of Ukraine, ordered by President Vladimir Putin, with whom 55-year-old Mr Abramovich has had close ties with in the past. His announcement also comes the day before Chelsea play Liverpool in the League Cup final at Wembley.

Galactus

02-26-2022, 06:08 PM

Last time, when Russians attempted to do so something funny in Syria, Trump gave an order and those funny Russian mercenaries turned into 200 dead mercenaries. Which is enough of an answer, why Putin hadn't try anything like it, during Trump's rule.

Of course, you conveniently ignore this, because, that's the only thing weaklings like you can do, to no ruin your precious fake ****ing picture of your imbecilic world.

It's got to be confusing for the political right in particularly in the US. For decades a major part of their political identity was being prepped for war and justifying it as bringing 'freedom' to oppressive countries. Then losing two wars at the same time opinions on the right started to shift, Trump came along and tapped into a then growing sentiment that America should not get involved in foreign conflicts and was not the world's police. With the exception the incident you cited he didn't get involved in any major foreign conflict and was happy to turn a blind eye to some enemies of the West doing some very clear prepping for war in exchange for lavish state visits. Putin has been planning this for at least four years and Trump being in the White House didn't deter him at all. Perhaps the question to ask isn't whether Trump would have stopped this but rather would Trump even want to stop this? His statements on this issue so far show that he admires Putin's invasion of Ukraine. If people want to criticise Biden's handling of this that's fine but to pretend this wouldn't have happened under Trump is the same kind of delusion that people had that he had some plan to reclaim the presidency after he lost.

Also it would be nice to keep debates on this civil. I've not insulted you or anyone else on threads debating political issues so maybe don't call people "weaklings" or "imbeciles".

Its not like Left constantly make mountains out of molehills, with "what is your identity today - boy, girl or a deer" or "how to chop off your dick, so everyone would think you are a woman" or "why creators should not have right to write Black characters without being Black" or "when its healthy to buy little kids their first dildo"....yeah, very IMPORTANT issues, which concern everyone in the world!!

The side that makes these into big issues is the political right. For the sake of discussion let's examine the examples you cited:

1. Even if you don't believe in the science behind transgender people why is it a big deal if someone lives and identifies as a gender they weren't born as? They are not harming anyone by doing that so why does the right have such a problem with it? Surely countries that are founded on the principal that people are free to live their lives as they want should be okay with it.

2. Are we talking about comic book related characters? Is it a bad thing that people think that people of colour should occasionally profit on writing characters of colour? Even from a creative standpoint it's a fair point that they may help bring a more authentic voice to that character.

3. I don't think there has been a conversation about the appropriate time to give a child a sex toy (age of consent debates are more of alt right thing) or whether someone can identify as an animal. I know this was your attempt at humour but I just thought I'd point it out.

I wonder why White Nationalism is rising...could it be, because, Left politics make White people felt like citizens of the second class, who should forget their own culture and achievements, just to feel permanently guilty, because, of some **** that had happened few generations ago?

White people are literally not second class citizens anywhere in the western world and if things like teaching about slavery or Jim Crow and how the effects of these things still linger in society today make some white people feel like second class citizens...well maybe they should think how a lot black people feel who still have to live with the negative affects of living in these systems.

Your statement here come dangerously close to saying that it's black peoples fault that white supremacy on the rise. It's strange to me that you ask us to consider the feelings and fears of Putin's supporters and homophobes and white nationalists but make light of the feelings of the people they try to oppress.

Could it be, because, whenever, someone insists that immigrants should learn local languages and customs and live by the laws of the country they are trying to settle in, Left trash screams that it is "Nazism!!!!1111!".

Could it be, that Left doesn't spend enough on acclimatizing of immigrants and when they become criminals, they blame "nazzzzzzzisms!!!" as the reason why people dare to don't like those poor poor people?

I lived in Spain until the age of 8 and there were tons of immigrants from England that came to live and work there that couldn't speak a word of Spanish. The retirees would found large enclaves of British ex pats that didn't assimilate to Spanish culture at all. While this was annoyance to Spanish people that had to deal with them it was never treated as the end of Spanish culture as they knew it.

In my experience most economic migrants that come to the UK do speak a basic standard of English. Refugees on the other hand it's more mixed but since emigrating wasn't part of their life plan but something they had to do to so they wouldn't die in their home country I feel I can cut them some slack in not learning English before they came. As for them assimilating to British culture I feel your mileage may vary on what that means. Is it a problem if immigrants talk to each other in their native tongue? That they worship how they want to? In a free country that shouldn't be a problem. The only assimilating they I feel they should do is following the law and if they break it they either go to prison or they are deported. Where I have a problem is when immigrants are scapegoated when people that are born and raised here commit more crimes.

Yes, it is worthy to be mad at "gender pronounce", because, it is insanity, which directly affects kids and weak minded people. And, yes, kneeling in front of anyone, except the queen, is a humiliation. **** that ****.

Why? It's a free country. If a cis gendered person has a nick name they prefer to be called or changed their name for whatever reason we don't call them their birth name to deliberately antagonise them...not unless you're a huge jerk. The same principal applies with transgender people, you may not believe in transgenderism but you can at least do someone the basic courtesy of referring to them how they prefer. Also the right to protest is a fundamental part of a free society and taking a knee is very respectful way to do it that harms no one and funnily enough Colin Kaepernick was doing it for months and no one cared until they found out what exactly what he was protesting.

Except it won't change the fact that most queer people are just attention whores and most trans are rapey mentally ill deviants and abusers, who belong to mental asylum. Also, men can't become women. And never will be, so trans won't ever be normal. Good day, sir!

Nothing to say to this other than I'm leaving it here to show people who may agree with some of your points just how deep your bigotry goes and just what kind of person they'd be siding with.

IndigoErth

02-26-2022, 06:43 PM

So if sanctions are way too soft peddling on Putin, because he just doesn't care about that in the long term, and possibly because he's getting old and is more concerned about his name in the history books... Do you think he'd mind too greatly if nations standing against him were to, say, destroy any and all important satellites he and his military need? :evilgrin: Add that in with cyber attacks to lock up communications, etc.

Coola Yagami

02-26-2022, 07:28 PM

1. Even if you don't believe in the science behind transgender people why is it a big deal if someone lives and identifies as a gender they weren't born as? They are not harming anyone by doing that so why does the right have such a problem with it? Surely countries that are founded on the principal that people are free to live their lives as they want should be okay with it.

2. Are we talking about comic book related characters? Is it a bad thing that people think that people of colour should occasionally profit on writing characters of colour? Even from a creative standpoint it's a fair point that they may help bring a more authentic voice to that character.

3. I don't think there has been a conversation about the appropriate time to give a child a sex toy (age of consent debates are more of alt right thing) or whether someone can identify as an animal. I know this was your attempt at humour but I just thought I'd point it out.

1- IMO I got no problem with transgender people unless they take things too far with it. Like the ones that say if you wouldn't sleep with one, then you're transphobic. Or the ones that had a meltdown when Adele said she was proud to be a woman at an awards show, as if somehow that was a knock against transpeople?

It's basically a principle of you can be and believe whatever you want, just don't expect the rest of the world to indulge you. The most people I've met with pronouns have been chill, but there are a few crazies out there that expect you to, upon your first meeting, to somehow be a mind-reader and expect for to know they want to referred to as zir or whatever.

2. It's not occasionally, they're trying to make it the new rule. And also how limited is that, imagine being Asian and you are only allowed to create Asian characters? Plus we have this new trend of white experiences writers being let go or passed up cause 'too many honkies in here' so they give a job to a totally inexperienced person because hey, they're gay, trans and black. Then you end up with current Marvel and DC woke trash.

3. How bout just don't give sex toys to kids, of any kind, gay or straight. That shouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

IMJ

02-26-2022, 07:43 PM

Someone finally stepped up militarily for Ukraine. Germany is sending in in tanks and weapons

YES! -fist pump-
YES! Stop this $#!( fast and hard and use overwhelming force per the Powell Doctrine.

Also, one of the thread fools is babbling her pervasive, uninformed nonsense and the other one is going on about transgender people in a thread about a globallly problematic invasion. Why are you guys giving them the time of day. One of those people is so stuck on her nonsense that she blocked the only guy that routinely kept her poignant and in check (me). So basically she thinks she can steamroll you guys with her BS>

The other guy is a provacatouer fool. Why banter with them at all at this point? ;)

Sumac

02-26-2022, 07:57 PM

I'm sure your gay friend genuinely believes that having anything LGBTQ in children's programming is indoctrination but there are gay people who also don't believe in equal marriage neither is a popular view in the gay community. There are many reasons why a few gay people gravitate to these views (which they are perfectly entitled to have) but they shouldn't be held up as an example of why it's wrong to have any pro gay message in children's entertainment.
There is a difference between pro-Gay message and indoctrination.

There is no school anywhere that teaches the "the entire history of the gay struggle" and no one teaches them to hate white people. In most US schools lessons about race tend to stop at the voting rights act. The mere suggestion that it should go beyond that (or to go into greater depth about the civil rights movement) has had right wingers protesting in the streets about critical race theory. None of the above is going to teach kids that being straight and white is bad and those who think otherwise are the ones who really struggle with nuance.
What is "critical race theory"? What are various educational less, where kids being explained that there are "more than 2 sexes and kids can choose which sex they want to be"?

Galactus

02-26-2022, 09:02 PM

1- IMO I got no problem with transgender people unless they take things too far with it. Like the ones that say if you wouldn't sleep with one, then you're transphobic. Or the ones that had a meltdown when Adele said she was proud to be a woman at an awards show, as if somehow that was a knock against transpeople?

About the Adele thing that's mostly made up.

The New York Post that originally ran the story based on three tweets that criticised what Adele said at the Brit Awards. Well at least we have to take their word that there were three tweets criticising because no one can any evidence of one of them...maybe they deleted it very quickly. The tweets themselves politely expressed the sentiment that given the theme of that years event it probably wasn't the best idea to say what she said. These three were enough to send The New York Post, Fox News and several right wing youtubers in a mad frenzy about the Left was piling on Adele and trying to make out she was a transphobe for days. It was entirely manufactured controversy that got tons of Conservatives angry when there were bigger things to mad at that three very mild tweets criticising a popstar.

2. It's not occasionally, they're trying to make it the new rule. And also how limited is that, imagine being Asian and you are only allowed to create Asian characters? Plus we have this new trend of white experiences writers being let go or passed up cause 'too many honkies in here' so they give a job to a totally inexperienced person because hey, they're gay, trans and black. Then you end up with current Marvel and DC woke trash

It's not a new rule. Like the Adele drama it's barely a thing.

No one has ever been fired by Marvel or DC for being white. If anything the big two comic companies are very supportive of their white male creators they have to hugely mess up to be fired. Joe Bennett's extreme political views were well known but he kept being employed by supposedly 'woke' Marvel even after he snuck anti Semitic symbols into his art. After one controversy too many they finally dropped him but conveniently after he'd completed his run on the high selling Immortal Hulk series.

As for people working on books starring characters that are the same gender/race/ethnicity/sexuality as them that's always been something widely debated. Even black writers like Christopher Priest have complained that for years he was constantly offered to write black characters that he had little interest in. Others however actually want to write them because they feel it gives them a more authentic voice. There is also the very valid point that if comics still turn profit and the movies and the associated merch will make billions for their parent companies all featuring poc characters maybe it might be a good idea to hire more poc.

As for their hiring practices. Back in the day you could be just be fan that hung out at conventions and talked your way in like Roy Thomas. Many artists would just bombard the big two with samples of their work until they gave them a shot. Marvel used to do an actual try out book for non professional artists that wanted a shot. Largely that doesn't happen anymore and the big two recruit from people who have made a name for themselves in independent comics. Whenever this happens to be a non-straight white guy there's usually a bunch of alt-right websites and youtubers to try and make out these people only got the job because they weren't a straight white male. Frankly if this was some big affirmative action plot on behalf of the big two then they are pretty poor at it since the majority of their creative are still straight white males.

3. How bout just don't give sex toys to kids, of any kind, gay or straight. That shouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

That's not a thing that happens ever. It's something Sumac made up as a joke.

There is a difference between pro-Gay message and indoctrination.

I don't watch a whole lot of childrens programming. Very occasionally I put kids shows on if I'm up early on weekends and interestingly I've never seen anything remotely gay so it's certainly not something widespread. From what I've read there's cartoons which have gay supporting characters and some occasional rainbow imagery. I wouldn't say that's indoctrination.

What is "critical race theory"? What are various educational less, where kids being explained that there are "more than 2 sexes and kids can choose which sex they want to be"?

Critical race theory is something taught at the collegiate level. It basically a course on the history of changing laws around African Americans and how even now laws are applied differently to Black and Caucasian people in the United States and examining the societal reasons why this is. It's become a catch-all term for any kind of lesson (in any level of education) addressing the history of racism in the US beyond the very basic slavery and Jim Crow was bad, MLK gave a speech and racism was over bar a few bad eggs.

I'm not sure there are any lessons teaching kids there are more than 2 sexes however teachers are encouraged to tell their pupils not to pick on the a kid that identifies as trans or seems like they could be and to accept them for how they are.

Also, one of the thread fools is babbling her pervasive, uninformed nonsense and the other one is going on about transgender people in a thread about a globallly problematic invasion. Why are you guys giving them the time of day. One of those people is so stuck on her nonsense that she blocked the only guy that routinely kept her poignant and in check (me). So basically she thinks she can steamroll you guys with her BS>

The other guy is a provacatouer fool. Why banter with them at all at this point? ;)

I didn't want to derail the thread by getting too off topic which is why I didn't initially respond to Leo's post last night but it seems other people wanted to jump in too. Bare in mind I didn't bring any of these topics it was mostly you. I don't know why you have a problem with people expressing a difference of opinion. Isn't the whole idea that everything is up for debate one of the big things in modern conservatism.

While many of these topics could best be discussed in other threads it is somewhat tangentially connected. While the mainstream discourse on both sides of the political divide save for one notable Fox News pundit and one former president to condemn Putin's invasion some figures on the alt right are are excusing or even supporting it. The two main reasons seem to be that NATO simply existing forced poor ol' Putin to invade Ukraine. The other is that because Putin is anti-woke he should be supported. ******** of course but I wouldn't be suprised to see this crop in mainstream discourse.

Sumac

02-26-2022, 10:34 PM

I definetly think that there is a ultra-nationalistic presence in Ukraine that can explode in popularity after a combination of Russian destruction, and Western intervention, a presence that can ultimately become just another enemy to the very people who helped them fight the Reds.

Of course, supplying arms is much better than to directly attack Russia and risk Nuclear retaliation, but is it wise for the West to get involved and risk making a future enemy? Should the United States get involved or pursue isolationism?
Nationalists would be on a rise anyway, thanks to Russia.
But, I doubt you'd get another Fascist state in Ukraine after this shitshow is over.
No need to fall into a commie trap and automatically consider every patriot of their nation "a Fascist".

Leo656

02-27-2022, 12:07 AM

In my own defense, I'm guilty of derailing many a thread BUT at the same time I don't expect to live a lot longer and so I kinda feel like lighting a few fires on my way out the door.

So, yeah, that's a thing that has and will likely continue to happen. Tough sh*t, deal with it.

ZariusTwo

02-27-2022, 02:35 AM

In my own defense, I'm guilty of derailing many a thread BUT at the same time I don't expect to live a lot longer and so I kinda feel like lighting a few fires on my way out the door.

Hope you're OK dude:(

Leo656

02-27-2022, 04:45 AM

Hope you're OK dude:(

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You know me best of everyone here brother. You know the answer to that.

No worries though. "Okay" soon enough. Finally. Just gotta keep watching the mailbox.

Should be fun. I'm excited. I'm SUPER excited.:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

ZariusTwo

02-27-2022, 06:05 AM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You know me best of everyone here brother. You know the answer to that.

No worries though. "Okay" soon enough. Finally. Just gotta keep watching the mailbox.

Should be fun. I'm excited. I'm SUPER excited.:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Mailbox or death!:)

Leo656

02-27-2022, 06:08 AM

ORRRRR one begets the other. :tgrin:

ChosenOne

02-27-2022, 08:37 AM

Peace talks in Pripyat? Now I've seen it all.

MikeandRaph87

02-27-2022, 10:08 AM

As sides are taken, is it Russia, Belarus, China, and Iran all on the bad guy team?

Sumac

02-27-2022, 11:08 AM

Right now situation is bleak for Russia.
Putin's plan was to take over Ukraine in 48 hours, it seems.
And his plan has ended up in a complete failure, which means sanctions are growing, Ukraine still fights back, his people are dying, his military looks like idiots, Putin looks like a mad man he is.

And there is no saving face from this blunder. Until Putin dies or resigns, Russia will forever be state of "non-grata" on the world scene. So, his "messianic" dreams ended up in ashes, like that of a last guy who attempted to conquer Europe.

I wonder what goes through the head of the dwarf? Does he think its all result of the conspiracy or maybe finally realizes that the world is quite different from what he thought it is?
No matter. His days and the days of a current Russia are numbered.

As sides are taken, is it Russia, Belarus, China, and Iran all on the bad guy team?
China and Iran are playing on their own. Might as well add Turkey to the list.
Of course, China and other bad boys will benefit from Russia bullying West, but they won't lift a muscle to help it, since they don't want sanctions and the like. They basically use Russia as a blunt weapon for their own interests, which is twice as funny, if you assume that Putin considers himself "a messiah and gatherer of the territories", while, in reality he is being played like an idiot, by more intelligent world leaders to do their bidding.

ZariusTwo

02-27-2022, 11:16 AM

ORRRRR one begets the other. :tgrin:

Well we'll probably all see you there:lol:

Russia set Nuclear deterrent to high alert

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-vladimir-putin-orders-military-command-to-put-nuclear-deterrence-forces-on-high-alert-12553278

MikeandRaph87

02-27-2022, 11:30 AM

That's what he gets for Putin his eggs all in one basket and Russian to a conclusion!:D

Turkey? Considering the U.S. has nuclear weapons there and helped transition it into a democracy I am surprised.

Sumac

02-27-2022, 11:31 AM

Turkey? Considering the U.S. has nuclear weapons there and helped transition it into a democracy I am surprised.
It had ended up rule of Erdogan who is basically Turkish Putin, but so far more sane.

While the people of your nation are either too weak or too afraid to do anything or "just can't," so they either try and risk arrest or sit there doing nothing, so you really have no room to talk about what other nations should be doing about this when they're the ones actually trying to strategize that out in a way that doesn't just set YOUR leader off to trying to start World War 3 with everyone else.
They have 8 years to strategize the answer, yet, they started doing something, when it was too late!
And all of that, because, modern Western politicians are too weak and complacent to do anything for real.

Blah blah blah screaming about "leftists"... But hey, a conservative nation with little freedom of speech because they support authoritarianism and as a result exist stuck under the thumb of a crazy autocrat that they are too weak to do anything about and now he's launching attacks on a neighboring country. So how is that working out for you??
Thanks for showing off your ignorance and lack of education yet again, like a typical Leftie. Apparently in your world "of magical unicorns and transteddy bears" only two political positions are possible, with only two results. Education had failed you. But I forgive you for that. I am that kind. lol

I know that your kind is drunk on kool-aid, but you know, kid, you are not better than Putin. You both exists in fictional worlds and act like everyone else are crazy when they suggest that your personal world view do not define reality. The only difference that bald lunatic has power and you are not, gladly, since you would not fare better.

It's not a coincidence that this happens with a conservative, authoritarian minded country or that, even if you reject Putin, you still found Trump, a like minded wannabe autocrat himself, appealing.
First, suggesting that I am rooting for dictators is retarded. Glad, that you have not failed my expectations, though.
Second, only complete clown will compare Putin and Trump. You have a won a trophy: "Trump deranged Syndrome Representation".
I am waiting for inevitable comparison between Trump and Hitler, cries about Trump Death Squads (tm) marching on streets killing Blacks and Gays RIGHT ABOUT NOW, SEND WUWU, and something-something about Trump starting war with North Korea or Madagascar.

You remind me of those idiots in Twitter, who are still whining about Trump, tying him somehow to this crisis. I am not even excluding that you are one of them. Typical NPC behavior.

Yeah, as someone who is left of center, the lure of authoritarianism that some conservatives, largely the Far Right type, find so appealing is certainly one of the rather concerning things about their ideology and choices in political leaders because the rest of us DON'T WANT TO BECOME RUSSIA.
Yeah, which is why you'd like to censor and unperson everyone and everything, which doesn't fit your "UWU pwecious" world view, as well, as literally giving all possible power to the state so they could decide, which opinion is right and which is wrong and act accordingly.

But, no you don't find appeal in authoritarianism! Not at all! You just want your party to have absolute control over every facet of human life, brainwashing little kids into your agenda, unpersoning and eliminating everything and everyone who challenges it! But you are totally not like a Nazi or Fascists!

No, sir, you are just delirious clown, who compares run of the mill showman to the crazy madman and see everyone who disagrees with you as "far-rights". But you are totally sane and rational and kind person.

You just hellbent on total genocide of everyone who dislikes your world view! But you are a good guy and should be allowed to do that because, your daddy didn't bought you a pony and your mom didn't approved of your new hairstyle, when you was a teenager, which gave you horrible mental trauma, which, in your mind, allows you to **** the world as you see fit and call everyone bad guys, if they don't lick your boots, because, you are so awesome and amazing and UWU Pwecious heroine of your own amazing epic ****ing story!!

Honestly at this point, I am surprised you brain haven't created a black hole, due to all the cognitive dissonance inhabiting your head.

People like you can't create anything. They can only destroy.

You wanna pitch in on some of that, because that's our tax dollars being sent to fight your nation's absurd war on Ukraine while our own people are hurting under the same rising inflation as many other nations and this unnecessary war is only going to make it worse, but maybe that's one of Putin's goals.
You chose Sleepy Brandon Joe - you should pay more for that! 8)

Sumac

02-27-2022, 12:40 PM

Putin has been planning this for at least four years and Trump being in the White House didn't deter him at all....
Yet, Putin hadn't done it during Trump's reign.
I don't care what reasoning you use, because, at this point it will look like an another deflection. The outcome is the same - none of that had happened during Trump being POTUS.

I've got it, you don't like Trump, but saying "but Putin could have done it, but he didn't, but he could have done..." is basically acting like those trained NPC monkeys who screamed about Trump becoming dictator for life, launching his own Gestapo and the like, none of which had happened. Don't be like dumb NPC and I give you some respect.

The side that makes these into big issues is the political right. For the sake of discussion let's examine the examples you cited:

1. Even if you don't believe in the science behind transgender people why is it a big deal if someone lives and identifies as a gender they weren't born as? They are not harming anyone by doing that so why does the right have such a problem with it? Surely countries that are founded on the principal that people are free to live their lives as they want should be okay with it.

2. Are we talking about comic book related characters? Is it a bad thing that people think that people of colour should occasionally profit on writing characters of colour? Even from a creative standpoint it's a fair point that they may help bring a more authentic voice to that character.

3. I don't think there has been a conversation about the appropriate time to give a child a sex toy (age of consent debates are more of alt right thing) or whether someone can identify as an animal. I know this was your attempt at humour but I just thought I'd point it out.
Mate, if those issues are discussed on the level of Dem president and the like and used as one of the keystones of Dem platform, I'd say it is not Right who make them that important. So you are demonstrating either an ignorance or a delusion, yet again.

1) Wrong. Those issues affect everyone. Especially women and kids.

Trans are mentally ill people. They deserve normal treatment, but their mental illness, doesn't deserve to be taught in schools and propagandized as if it is something normal. Trying to convince 3 year old that he is not a boy, because, he "feels" like it and trying to feed him pills is sick and inhuman. Making laws defending right of mentally ill people harass those who disagree with them is unlawful. Making laws that give preferences to the mentally ill people is wrong.

2) I am sure, Black creator who received education in the prestigious university or just lived in the middle class suburbs will be very different from the White creator who lived in the same conditions. Wait, he won't be different at all.

Also, this very point of view, that "POCs can give character unique voice" is Racist, because, it assumes that POCS has some "innate" difference from Whites, due to their race, which discards such things as education, culture, family and the like. Its basically "magical negro", but in some twisted positive way. Which is still inherently Racist.

3) Sadly it was not. There are plenty of degenerates on the Left, who are debate age of consent, but proudly say, they explain sex to they kids even before 10.

Of course, you pretend that to be a humor, because, you deathly afraid to look into how stupid and twisted your own precious ideology has become. You are afraid to look truth in the eyes, because, it might horrify you and destroy you, since you are so desperate to protect your ideology.
But, maybe you should?

I did and stopped being SJW and saw modern Left and Left in general for what they really are. Not an easy experience, but very good for a personal growth and maturing.

White people are literally not second class citizens anywhere in the western world and if things like teaching about slavery or Jim Crow and how the effects of these things still linger in society today make some white people feel like second class citizens...well maybe they should think how a lot black people feel who still have to live with the negative affects of living in these systems.
1) A lot of statements from certain segments of the Left (and not only Black supremacists) are outright present "Whiteness" as an original sin and White people as irredeemably evil and inherently Racist and Sexist. Like they are source of all evil on the planet.

2) You are basically operating on the idea of "revenge", which is retarded and illogical, because, you want some group of Blacks (who didn't live through the Jim Crow laws) to have revenge against arbitrary group of Whites (who didn't create Jim Crow laws), as if it fixes all injustices committed against Blacks in the history of US.
It is very childish and Racist way of thinking, btw. But I didn't expect anything else from a modern leftie.

Your statement here come dangerously close to saying that it's black peoples fault that white supremacy on the rise. It's strange to me that you ask us to consider the feelings and fears of Putin's supporters and homophobes and white nationalists but make light of the feelings of the people they try to oppress.
I am not sure how did you read it in my statements, but I think there is something in Left NPCs heads, which "translates" text through the ideological lens into typical Left gibberish.

Now to make things clear: I don't ask "to consider the feelings and fears of Putin's supporters and homophobes and white nationalists". Show me where I did say that? I dare you.

Also, no, White Supremacy is the fault of spineless bureaucrats, who failed basically every single policy they have created and proposed over the course of the last few decades. I've explained it in details before.

I lived in Spain until the age of 8 and there were tons of immigrants from England that came to live and work there that couldn't speak a word of Spanish....
Because, at the end of the day English culture is not that different from Spanish? They speak tongue most people can understand, they have traditions most people can understand, they have similar religion. What is so puzzling about that?

In my experience most economic migrants that come to the UK do speak a basic standard of English....
It is a problem, because, if you want a healthy and functioning society it should have some sort of unity.

If you plan to live in society you MUST learn its language, because, language is the most basic mean of communication between people in functioning society. If you don't learn language of the society, you exclude yourself from it and basically set yourself up to be ostracized. Which in turn makes it easier to become a criminal.

And, no, its not fault of "horrible xenophobic" society for wanting its members to be able to communicate with each other and ostracize those who do not want to do so.

If significant part of your society is not on the same page as the rest of it, it creates tension and ultimately, divides it into several groups, which inevitably leads to infighting.

It is very convenient for politicians to use as means of distraction, which they are doing as we speak, especially in US and UK. Just blame some "ebul White people", throw more money at immigrants who don't understand society they live in and wait until another street fight or murder occurs. Repeat until you get re-elected for another 4 years.

Why? It's a free country. If a cis gendered person has a nick name they prefer to be called or changed their name for whatever reason we don't call them their birth name to deliberately antagonise them...not unless you're a huge jerk. The same principal applies with transgender people, you may not believe in transgenderism but you can at least do someone the basic courtesy of referring to them how they prefer. Also the right to protest is a fundamental part of a free society and taking a knee is very respectful way to do it that harms no one and funnily enough Colin Kaepernick was doing it for months and no one cared until they found out what exactly what he was protesting.
There is a difference between nickname of a normal sane person and fake name taken upon by a mentally ill person in an attempt to legitimize their insanity.
I do not give basic courtesy to the mentally ill people, since I know how it usually ends - in a constant abuse, suicide-baiting, insults and gaslighting.

Nothing to say to this other than I'm leaving it here to show people who may agree with some of your points just how deep your bigotry goes and just what kind of person they'd be siding with.
Words of delusional zealot.

I wonder, how does it feel to be so limited that anything that doesn't fit your narrow minded definition of "truth" is considered "bigotry"? Must be like a constant migraine. I wonder how does it feel, when you see something that can not be classified as "good" or "bad" in your worldview? Guess, confusing as ****, like for a little child to see something he can't explain.

Coola Yagami

02-27-2022, 01:00 PM

IndigoErth

02-27-2022, 01:05 PM

(@Sumac) Get over yourself rightist sheep. You're told some script to believe about "liberals" and you do nothing but try to cram anyone's opinions and comments into an absurd and incredibly generalized narrative when you don't even know the people who you are here bitching against -- nor actually know my country -- and just choose to twist stuff and tell anyone who they are and what they do based on some fantasy you believe. Like that weird stuff about unicorns, batman, and so on that I don't even know wtf is about and should probably aught to know better than to even bother going back and forth with you if you're going to repeatedly stoop to childish smears and crazy narratives about what the "other" people supposedly believe and do.

In my years on here I've generally tried to be civil to people and give most the benefit of the doubt, even trying to interact positively with those whom they and I don't necessarily agree on much, but all I get is s*** back from a few miserable people who want a Ninja Turtles forum to be their political safe space echo chamber where other opinions aren't allowed.

But hey, good luck out there if the rest of the world tires of Putin's BS and invades your own land. :thumbsup:

Anyway... saw in passing reports of Ukraine destroying a whole Russian convoy. o.O Geeze, never mess with Ukraine...

Sumac

02-27-2022, 01:07 PM

Yeah I do notice the left has an almost cartoonish view of good and evil. It pretty much falls under two categories.

Either you're a saint or you're Hitler, no in-between, no shades of grey

and also

Everything a certain group of people do is evil... unless I do it. When I do it it's righteous.
"Rules for thee, but not for me".
Also, notice how Left love to pretend to be oppressed. Its basically the way how they earn sympathy from normal people and use it usurp power and take over societies. This is the same way Christians did it and, ironically, real Nazis.

Leo656

02-27-2022, 01:13 PM

Won't lie... Kinda like it when the place is up in flames and it has nothing to do with me for once.

On the other hand, kinda sad when people are at each others' throats and I had nothing to do with instigating it. Makes me feel useless.

Is there anything I can do to help? Most of the people I hate don't post in these kinda threads so I kinda don't know what to do.

ZariusTwo

02-27-2022, 03:21 PM

FIFA have instructed Russia to play their games in neutral territory, to identify as the 'Football Union of Russia', and they are not to be represented by their flag or anthem

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60548685

Andrew NDB

02-27-2022, 05:52 PM

Leo656

02-27-2022, 11:32 PM

Oh, well damn. I guess they'll just pull out of Ukraine straight away, then, in that case.

Right? :lol: Good to know they're worrying about the important stuff.

Sumac

02-28-2022, 03:55 AM

(@Sumac) Get over yourself rightist sheep. You're told some script to believe about "liberals" and you do nothing but try to cram anyone's opinions and comments into an absurd and incredibly generalized narrative when you don't even know the people who you are here bitching against -- nor actually know my country -- and just choose to twist stuff and tell anyone who they are and what they do based on some fantasy you believe. Like that weird stuff about unicorns, batman, and so on that I don't even know wtf is about and should probably aught to know better than to even bother going back and forth with you if you're going to repeatedly stoop to childish smears and crazy narratives about what the "other" people supposedly believe and do.
I think I've broken NPC.
Like completely erased its "brain", so it can no longer understand information or function.
Oh well. Not a great loss for humanity.

In my years on here I've generally tried to be civil to people and give most the benefit of the doubt, even trying to interact positively with those whom they and I don't necessarily agree on much, but all I get is s*** back from a few miserable people who want a Ninja Turtles forum to be their political safe space echo chamber where other opinions aren't allowed.
Maybe there is a reason you're receiving ****...maybe it has something to do with your condescending and arrogant tone, the fact that you are acting like an entitled and delusional child?

But hey, good luck out there if the rest of the world tires of Putin's BS and invades your own land. :thumbsup:
You are threatening me with..being free from a tyrant and my country having chance at better life?

Are you seriously so stunted that you pretend that I have some influence over situation here or gonna defend tyrant?

wut...? Desperate to insult me much, child? But go on cry why no-one likes you.

Sumac

02-28-2022, 04:29 AM

The New York Post that originally ran the story based on three tweets that criticised what Adele said at the Brit Awards. Well at least we have to take their word that there were three tweets criticising because no one can any evidence of one of them...maybe they deleted it very quickly. The tweets themselves politely expressed the sentiment that given the theme of that years event it probably wasn't the best idea to say what she said. These three were enough to send The New York Post, Fox News and several right wing youtubers in a mad frenzy about the Left was piling on Adele and trying to make out she was a transphobe for days. It was entirely manufactured controversy that got tons of Conservatives angry when there were bigger things to mad at that three very mild tweets criticising a popstar.
Knowing TRA, I can say you are lying - there were not three, but thirty tweets, if not more. And if you end up in crosshair of this crowd - they will try to cancel you again and again. Just ask JK Rowling.

That's not a thing that happens ever. It's something Sumac made up as a joke.
And if I can prove it is not a joke and such degenerates are real?
Though, I suspect you know that, just afraid to admit to it, since it will be a critical hit against your precious ideology.

"Brave and free liberals, apparently, also sexual deviants and pedophiles!" I am sure it will endear a lot of people to your cause and this is what you care the most about - an IMAGE, not reality.

I don't watch a whole lot of childrens programming. Very occasionally I put kids shows on if I'm up early on weekends and interestingly I've never seen anything remotely gay so it's certainly not something widespread. From what I've read there's cartoons which have gay supporting characters and some occasional rainbow imagery. I wouldn't say that's indoctrination.
But, of course, you would not.
Its like asking, if tiger finds rabbits disgusting.

Critical race theory is something taught at the collegiate level. It basically a course on the history of changing laws around African Americans and how even now laws are applied differently to Black and Caucasian people in the United States and examining the societal reasons why this is. It's become a catch-all term for any kind of lesson (in any level of education) addressing the history of racism in the US beyond the very basic slavery and Jim Crow was bad, MLK gave a speech and racism was over bar a few bad eggs.
What about subset of CRT, which teaches White kids to hate their own culture and their own skin color, teach them to see themselves as irredeemably evil and indebted to all other races?

I already know that you fancy idea of revenge against Whites, which is retarded, hateful and Racist in itself, so I don't really expect any adequate lesson bar some nonsense about "it never happens" and "you misunderstand" and the like.

I'm not sure there are any lessons teaching kids there are more than 2 sexes however teachers are encouraged to tell their pupils not to pick on the a kid that identifies as trans or seems like they could be and to accept them for how they are.
I am sure spreading booklets about transiness to little kids is not an indoctrination and denying existence of two sexes is totally normal.

While many of these topics could best be discussed in other threads it is somewhat tangentially connected. While the mainstream discourse on both sides of the political divide save for one notable Fox News pundit and one former president to condemn Putin's invasion some figures on the alt right are are excusing or even supporting it. The two main reasons seem to be that NATO simply existing forced poor ol' Putin to invade Ukraine. The other is that because Putin is anti-woke he should be supported. ******** of course but I wouldn't be suprised to see this crop in mainstream discourse.
You are funny.
You speak just like worst possible example of the "canonical internet Leftie NPC". You are literally repeating delusional nonsense and divide people into several categories according to your rulebook, failing to see people behind ideologies. And I thought it was a main difference between compassionate liberals and coldhearted calculative conservatives.

But apparently its just a sham - you are no better than zealots who claim about endless oppression of Blacks in West or Arabian terrorists launching missiles into peaceful countries, claiming they are real victims.
Shame on you, kid. Shame on you.

Vegita-San

02-28-2022, 01:22 PM

so, why is 'new world order' trending on twitter?

Andrew NDB

02-28-2022, 01:33 PM

so, why is 'new world order' trending on twitter?

https://c.tenor.com/69KvIpdc_GUAAAAC/nothing-good-no-good.gif

ZariusTwo

02-28-2022, 02:59 PM

so, why is 'new world order' trending on twitter?

A Ukrainian was interviewed by FOX basically saying she would defend her country and the new world order. Some indoctrinated lefities are now seeing this as a sign that the NWO is a benevolent force to be reckoned with.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-28-2022, 05:07 PM

Sports boycots of Russia:

Sweden and Finland will not play the Bandy World Championship in Russia

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1119706/sweden-finland-bandy-russia-boycott

FIFA suspends Russia from playing qualifying games for the 2022 FIFA Soccer World Cup in Qatar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/sports/soccer/fifa-russia-ban.html

The UEFA Soccer Champions League final game on 28 May has been moved from Saint Petersburg, Russia to Paris, France.

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0272-14876a9f349c-c61e3670721f-1000--stade-de-france-to-stage-final/

As long as current conditions continue, the International Ice Hockey Federation suspends Russia and Belarus from international ice hockey competitions.

https://www.iihf.com/en/news/32301/iihf_council_announces_decisions_over_russia_belar

Latvian ice hockey club Dinamo Riga leave the KHL.

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2022/02/27/dinamo-riga-leaves-khl/

Russians and Belarusians will not be allowed to partciipate in the Vasaloppet cross-country skiing competition in Sweden in March 2022.

https://www.vasaloppet.se/en/news/no-russian-or-belarusian-participation-in-vasaloppet-2022/

Russia and Belarus will probably be suspended from the Paralympic Winter Games in Beijng, China in March 2022.

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2022/02/28/russia-belarus-sports-ban-olympics-ioc-paralympics/

Leo656

02-28-2022, 09:23 PM

What annoys me is how everything still comes back to Trump.

Like, Putin's being an asshole and it's right that everyone is calling it out.

Here's the thing, though: The Democrats are only vocally anti-Putin because he was "Trump's Buddy." They're only saying it's okay to intervene and fight back and try to stop him, all that... NOT because what he's doing is wrong - which it is - but because he was "Trump's Buddy".

Whenever ANY other foreign country shows violent aggression against their neighbors, the Democrats are always VERY vocal about how "Over There is Over There, we can't get involved, that's their culture and their values and it's none of our business and blah blah blah."

It's all very telling. And very annoying. The Democrats don't actually care about this, collectively, except as a way to use it against "Trump Supporters". It's not actually about the fact that Putin's a bad dude going bad sh*t. Palestine vs. Israel, Iraq vs. Kuwait, and on and on and on... the Democrats' opinions on one country violently attacking/invading their neighbors are longstanding and on-record: "We don't care... UNLESS we can use it for leverage against our opponents."

Like, anyone with a long memory should be able to see this sh*t. And laugh at it, because it's so transparent.

Ah well. At least they're mad at Putin. It's just annoying because if Trump had been anti-Putin or Putin-neutral, they'd be saying "Eh, it's Over There, none of our business, let's not point fingers." Because they ALWAYS are like that until it suits them.

Sumac

02-28-2022, 10:08 PM

Yeah, this is ****ing annoying and creepy.
I check tags in Twitter sometimes and when I click "Putin" first few messages are usually have something to do with Trump or GOP.
Leftards are indeed sore losers.

Coola Yagami

02-28-2022, 10:27 PM

Oh and more fun. Now Discord went full woke and leftist. They're threatening to ban anyone that is against the vaccine or part of any group considered problematic, and I'm assuming if you're on the wrong side of this Russia/Ukraine debacle. Plus they also now want to ban you if they find you're being problematic on other platforms. Like I don't know how you would even know.

On other news, but still somewhat related to this, OnlyFans is now banning all Russian um.... 'creators' off their site. Like what do they have to do with anything. Leave the Russian titties alone.

Soon you'll be cancelled if they find out you've been jackin it to the Black Widow and the Baroness.

Sumac

02-28-2022, 11:00 PM

Let them ban.
More people affected - more people might start to think here.
If not about politics, but preserving their way of life.

Andrew NDB

02-28-2022, 11:10 PM

https://i.ibb.co/SyK8NGg/275058823-10158397070630703-1281461098971070109-n.jpg

Coola Yagami

02-28-2022, 11:15 PM

https://i.ibb.co/SyK8NGg/275058823-10158397070630703-1281461098971070109-n.jpg
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Leo656

02-28-2022, 11:28 PM

That's actually pretty funny.

Andrew NDB

03-01-2022, 12:12 AM

So yeesh... yeah, it's about to be over:

https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/02/28/1083650286/satellite-images-show-40-mile-long-russian-military-convoy-nearing-kyiv

MikeandRaph87

03-01-2022, 08:48 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-canadians-answer-ukraine-call-002203208.html
This is an interesting development.

The Deadman

03-01-2022, 02:04 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-canadians-answer-ukraine-call-002203208.html
This is an interesting development.

What's odd is that...I wonder if the people in foreign nations would do the same if the US came under attack.

IMJ

03-01-2022, 02:34 PM

What's odd is that...I wonder if the people in foreign nations would do the same if the US came under attack.

Unlikely, 99%

Also, it looks like Baldwin is going to be fighting Steven Segal, for those of you who saw that one..... :teek:

ZariusTwo

03-01-2022, 03:08 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

03-01-2022, 03:26 PM

I have seen contradictory news reports on whether Belarus will join the war on the Russian side. I personally think its likely as Belarus and Russia have enjoyed good relations, and Belarus' authoritarian government is threatened by the presence of Western backed Ukraine.

Sumac

03-01-2022, 04:06 PM

RT TV now blocked from Youtube in Europe

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/banning-rt-could-lead-to-retaliation-against-bbc-liz-truss-warns-xx0w5rj2m

...And the RT channel will be blocked from SKY within 24 hours

https://www.asianewsday.com/russian-backed-rt-channel-to-lose-sky-tv-slot-in-uk-within-24-hours/
Good.
RT is a Kremlin's mouthpiece. Also, considering that state had just shut down major opposition TV and radio channels here in Russia, they might like taste of their own medicine.

I have seen contradictory news reports on whether Belarus will join the war on the Russian side. I personally think its likely as Belarus and Russia have enjoyed good relations, and Belarus' authoritarian government is threatened by the presence of Western backed Ukraine.
Lukashenko lost all independence when he agreed to use Putin's help to quell unrest, which was brewing in 2020. At this point he is nothing, but a local Putin's vassal and Belarussian army most likely fights against Ukraine on side of Russia, regardless of Lukashenko announcing it or not.

In general, situation is dire here: Putin seemingly went full Hitler and decided to escalate aggression against Ukrainians. I am not sure what bald **** wants to achieve, since he lost his main goal (fast and victorious war), but apparently dwarf is indeed insane and beliefs that Ukraine is occupied by Nazis and he wants to free them. I hope some of his elites will figure out that with the way how things are they might lose everything, and I am not talking about money.

Russian economy goes down to shitter, but real consequences of this war and sanctions are yet to be seen. Hopefully Putin won't survive this **** for long.

Vegita-San

03-01-2022, 05:41 PM

stern is trending...claiming trump praised putin and so do other republicans.
what's the real story?

Andrew NDB

03-01-2022, 06:01 PM

stern is trending...claiming trump praised putin and so do other republicans.
what's the real story?

The real story is stupidity. Just leftards pretending they don't understand the difference between respecting objectively smart and effective military/strategical moves and thinking someone is an awesome person.

Sumac

03-01-2022, 09:38 PM

Trump praised Putin's tactic and somehow he now "ally of Hitler", even though, pretty much every military strategist says the same.
Leftards gonna be leftards.

They remind me of local brand of Putin zealots - whatever is happening in Russia they always manage to find a way to blame someone else or shift topic at the usual suspects: CIA, Ukrainians, Reptiloids, whoever they can. Just report and block those creeps.

IMJ

03-01-2022, 10:42 PM

stern is trending...claiming trump praised putin and so do other republicans.
what's the real story?

The real story is that Trump "praised" Putin as an assessment of acknowledging an adversary's capabilities, but the polarized psychopaths on the left will use words and ignore context and "totality of message" to assault anyone they hate.

If your enemy is smart or strong there's no diminishment in acknowledging those strengths when assessing your enemy.

ChosenOne

03-02-2022, 02:30 PM

It's almost like Trump has read The Art of War and 99.9% of all leftards haven't or something.

IMJ

03-02-2022, 02:36 PM

It's almost like Trump has read The Art of War and 99.9% of all leftards haven't or something.

They wouldn't even know what that is. They'd think it was a book of evil or something upon hearing about in conjunction with the word 'Trump'. Dumbest, most ignorant generation of people to ever walk the Earth.

They just invent opinions that suit their operating model at any given moment across the day and they call it 'intelligence".

Sumac

03-03-2022, 02:20 AM

Pitler uses new situation to shutdown all opposition, including radio and free TV. What little we've had. Like all 3 of them.
Naturally everyone had forgotten about COVID.

Russia's economy going down the drain, almost total blockade of everything from the West, but quite few of Russian elites trying to say "no to war" with predictable results of them being canceled. Air space is blocked too.

Country is in total chaos, everyone are scared and no-one knows what to do what to think and what to listen to. It is indeed a prelude to the end of Putin and Russia.

Twitter and YouTube trolls are especially active constantly bring up comparison to the Middle East conflicts.

Sumac

03-03-2022, 09:56 AM

Critical race theory is something taught at the collegiate level. It basically a course on the history of changing laws around African Americans and how even now laws are applied differently to Black and Caucasian people in the United States and examining the societal reasons why this is. It's become a catch-all term for any kind of lesson (in any level of education) addressing the history of racism in the US beyond the very basic slavery and Jim Crow was bad, MLK gave a speech and racism was over bar a few bad eggs.
I7NBB408yjY
"But CRT is just about equality..."

FredWolfLeonardo

03-03-2022, 03:12 PM

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/nation-world/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-un-vote-denouncement/507-cbd6d318-f470-473a-98d9-43a3a6b98330

Only 4 countries openly supporting Russia, which are Belarus, North Korea, Syria and Eritrea.

Sumac

03-03-2022, 04:39 PM

CyberCubed

03-05-2022, 04:40 PM

All those movies and TV shows I watched growing up which had Russians as the "bad guys" made by Americans have come true. Hell in half the James Bond movies the Russians are the villains. Sometimes art imitates life, or rather life imitates art.

Putin will rot in hell along with Hitler, Stalin, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-un, Genghis Khan....and Benedict Arnold. Good always triumphs over evil, so even though so many people will die in the war, eventually justice will be served. If only Jack Bauer existed in real life, he would stop this war in 24 hours.

ChosenOne

03-05-2022, 05:59 PM

Coola Yagami

03-05-2022, 07:41 PM

I'm pretty sure when we were kids, we were still in a cold war with Russia so at the time they were the enemy.

Sumac

03-06-2022, 06:45 AM

All those movies and TV shows I watched growing up which had Russians as the "bad guys" made by Americans have come true. Hell in half the James Bond movies the Russians are the villains. Sometimes art imitates life, or rather life imitates art.
Factually wrong.
There were only 2 movies where Soviets were villains in the whole Bond series.

Interestingly enough despite being by-product of the Cold War, James Bond movies (unlike books) avoided making Soviets main villains for the most part. Connery movies had Spectre as the main villains who manipulated both West and East.

Later movies were mostly about standalone villains and in those, surprisingly, Soviets were either portrayed as unwitting pawns of the real villains or as allies of Bond and the West.

The sole exceptions where Soviets were portrayed as villains were For Your Eyes Only and Living Daylights (made during height of Cold War in 80s).

Otherwise, I agree with you.

ChosenOne

03-06-2022, 12:47 PM

The sole exceptions where Soviets were portrayed as villains were For Your Eyes Only and Living Daylights (made during height of Cold War in 80s).

The Living Daylights is my favorite Bond movie, so I feel obliged to point out that only some Soviets were portrayed as villains in that one, to the point that the main villain ends up running afoul of the government and is executed off-screen.

CyberCubed

03-06-2022, 01:03 PM

Even in movies or TV shows that aren't about the country of Russia, they always have a lot of villains be Russians or ex-Russian generals or something like that. In many videogames too such as first person shooters and so forth.

It's almost like it's ingrained into our society that whenever you need a villain bent on world domination or destruction...make them a Russian. How many videogames have I played over the years or various TV shows/movies which had a Russian guy as the main bad guy? And he would say things like, "For the glory of Mother Russia!" and "Da!" and "Nyet!"

shredder orokusaki

03-06-2022, 02:55 PM

i have personal experiencw with it as my 2012 Rocksteady Ivan Steranko was Russian and he betrayed me. However Stockman has betrayed me too while he is American. This dosent mean that iwill not ally again with Russians in my war against the turtles. It all depends on which ones are most loyal to me and as you know my organization has members from all countries.

Sumac

03-06-2022, 05:16 PM

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-06-2022, 05:26 PM

Netflix Russia suspends its service.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/06/netflix-suspends-service-in-russia.html

Andrew NDB

03-06-2022, 05:35 PM

The best Bond movie is "You Only Live Twice." Bond fighting ninjas, an island volcano hideout, and priceless dark humor.

Galactus

03-06-2022, 07:23 PM

"But CRT is just about equality..."

This is like your third response to my last post on this thread. If you thought of another point or the perfect punchline it's perfectly fine to edit your first response and slot it in as an addendum, you didn't have to be all George Constanza with the "jerk store" comeback. I was going to leave it as it's unlikely we'll convince each other of anything and I didn't want to clog up a thread about an actual war with mostly unrelated culture wars debates but since you can't just let it go I think I came up with a format to respond to all your various issues that doesn't take up that much space with quotes...

On Adele

When the New York Post first ran the story there was only three tweets but I didn't know it had swelled to the massive number of THIRTY. How on Earth is poor Adele going to suvive on a platform with over 300 million active users when thirty people are posting horrible things like "I love Adele but I wish she hadn't said that".

On Trump

I really shouldn't bother debating this point but it's bizarre to me that people think that just because Putin didn't invade the Ukraine while Trump was president it was his mere presence in the White House that was preventing it. It's like that Simpsons scene where Lisa tries to convince Homer that a rock prevents tiger attacks "I don't see any tigers, do you?".

Russia did actually attack Ukrainians while Trump was president so clearly him being in the White House wasn't a deterrent. Even if you think he would have prevented a full scale invasion it just goes against how he often kow towed to despots his entire presidency; The purpose behind his Muslim ban was to curb radical Islamic terrorism yet he exempted the two Muslim countries which are the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world. Like every other president he wouldn't stand up to Saudi Arabia and Egypt on this issue. (As as aside it also showed his ban was not about curbing terrorism but appealing to the bigots in his base). He had a twitter spat with Kim Jong Un but after he had that nice meeting with him turned a blind eye when he started testing missiles again. He spent most of his presidency firmly lodged up Putin's rectum and even now has nothing but praise him.

On Trans People

Most scientists say there are genetic reasons why someone's gender identity which is routed in the brain doesn't always align with the physical way they were born. It's also the common consensus that it's healthier for them to live their lives as the gender they identify as. I don't know about anywhere else in the world but here in the UK trans people have to have extensive psychological evaluations before they can have gender realignment surgery so clearly they are not mentally ill. If you want to deny most of the science and psychology community on this issue that's your prerogative after all there are people who insist the Earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist but the most of the world will eventually accept basic facts on this issue. Also just in case you are not exaggerating I'll point out that no one tries to convince children as young as three that they are trans and they certainly don't give them pills either.

On Black Creators

No two people have the same life experience even if they come similar backgrounds. People naturally pick up cultural and behavioral ideas passed down from previous generations which for black and white people will be very different the farther back you go. Then there's the fact that a black person will have to contend with varying levels of bigotry in their lives compared to the white person who either likely will deal much less and or if if they of a different ethnic background different flavours of it. So, yes a African American who attended a prestigious university or just lived in the middle class suburbs can have a very different outlook to a white person who did the same. No one is saying that white people shouldn't write black characters or that they can't imagine what it would be like to be black but if it's a character like say...Luke Cage there's undeniable argument to be made a black person is more likely to be able to draw from their own real world experience and make the portrayal seem more genuine.

On Sex Toys & Age Of Consent Debates

Honestly I have never seen any debate on the left about the appropriateness of giving a sex toy to a child. The whole thing sounds so ludicrous I genuinely thought you'd made it up as a poor attempt at a joke. Likewise I have never heard anyone on the left debate age of consent laws. If you have an specific examples of leftists debating this I'd be interested in reading. It is something I have seen talked about on the right. To be fair it's certainly not part of mainstream conservative discourse and and very much the dregs of alt right youtubers but it's there.

The right does have a weird attitude towards sex in general. Some seem practically obsessed with it whereas people like Ben Shapiro want to ban porn, Charlie Kirk goes into meltdown every time a female pop star dresses slightly scantily clad and then there's that weird Proud Boys inspired #nofap movement. All on the right.

On Teaching Black History

Interesting that you didn't even know what "critical race theory was" but now talk with authority on it. I should stress that actual critical race theory outside of college classes were it is relevant. People use the term to decribe the teaching of very basic black history because it sounds scarier to white moderates who would otherwise not have a problem with it. How is teaching in greater detail the history of racism in the country or the world considered revenge? It's not just history either as the effects of things like slavery and Jim Crow still affect things today; think about how white Americans smoke more weed but prisons are packed full of black people that got caught with marijuana. Why are more black people arrested for the same crime? Why are more black people less likely to afford or be granted bail when arrested for this? This is the after effects of slavery and segregation.

On Immigration

I've already told you - but I'll repeat since you didn't seem to take it in - the majority of economic migrants to the UK do speak English and I believe the same is true is the US....which is more than can be said for a lot of native English speaking people who emigrate to non-English speaking countries. In regards to how immigrants behave as long as they follow the law they should be able to live how they please. Enforcing how people behave is not something that is done in free societies. Do you apply this to immigrants who become citizens? Children and grandchildren of immigrants? Just how homogeneous should everyone's behavior be? Dress the same? Act the same? This is some North Korea level stuff you're proposing.

As for the Bullsh*t...

Words of delusional zealot.

I wonder, how does it feel to be so limited that anything that doesn't fit your narrow minded definition of "truth" is considered "bigotry"? Must be like a constant migraine. I wonder how does it feel, when you see something that can not be classified as "good" or "bad" in your worldview? Guess, confusing as ****, like for a little child to see something he can't explain.

Just so everything is clear this was in response to you saying that all trans people are mentally ill rapists that should be locked away. If this is what you literally believe then yes that is bigoted, it's wrong and you're objectively a bad person. Under different circumstances I would cut you some slack and assume you're exaggerating your views but literally every time I've done that you've confirmed you genuinely believe this crap.

member_removed

03-07-2022, 01:37 AM

Netflix Russia suspends its service.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/06/netflix-suspends-service-in-russia.html

I was hoping they would just change their library in Russia to nothing but Rocky IV and Rambo III

Mayhem

03-07-2022, 02:58 AM

On Teaching Black History

Interesting that you didn't even know what "critical race theory was" but now talk with authority on it. I should stress that actual critical race theory outside of college classes were it is relevant. People use the term to decribe the teaching of very basic black history because it sounds scarier to white moderates who would otherwise not have a problem with it. How is teaching in greater detail the history of racism in the country or the world considered revenge? It's not just history either as the effects of things like slavery and Jim Crow still affect things today; think about how white Americans smoke more weed but prisons are packed full of black people that got caught with marijuana. Why are more black people arrested for the same crime? Why are more black people less likely to afford or be granted bail when arrested for this? This is the after effects of slavery and segregation.
Because some right wing white people take it as an afront that pointing out that some white peoples' actions in the past means they are also being painted out as being bad. Which is of course not true. In the same way Muslims are not all terrorists, and some Germans still feel bad and apologise for WW2 despite their fathers not even being alive during it.

Andrew NDB

03-07-2022, 03:07 AM

I really shouldn't bother debating this point but it's bizarre to me that people think that just because Putin didn't invade the Ukraine while Trump was president it was his mere presence in the White House that was preventing it.

But it wasn't just his mere presence in the White House that was preventing it.

IMJ

03-07-2022, 10:09 AM

But it wasn't just his mere presence in the White House that was preventing it.

And even if it was, then that's the sign of a leader who has positioned himself to put the country first and keep our national enemies guessing simply by his presence alone.

Sumac

03-07-2022, 10:19 AM

This is like your third response to my last post...
I prefer not to add new content to the old posts, since it makes quite a hassle to find them.
Also, I am not against tangents, especially, since I am no longer at liberty to be open about certain stuff.

When the New York Post...
Don't be naive. A lot of people say much more bad things than that.
Also, it doesn't take 300 people to start a harassment campaign against someone.
Glad, that it didn't happen with Adele, but others were not so lucky.

I really shouldn't bother debating this point but it's bizarre to me that people think that just because Putin didn't invade the Ukraine while Trump was president it was his mere presence in the White House that was preventing it. It's like that Simpsons scene where Lisa tries to convince Homer that a rock prevents tiger attacks "I don't see any tigers, do you?".
Imagine that.
I know you don't like this idea, because, you are a zealot and hate Trump and like brainwashed true zealot incapable of accepting that he can do something right good or even be connected to something good, but it is the case. Whatever Trump did kept Putin at bay, something that neither Obama or Biden were able to accomplish. Which is also a fact.

Russia did actually attack Ukrainians while Trump was president so clearly him being in the White House wasn't a deterrent....
You are delusional. As expected.
Egypt and Saudi Arabia are one of the more important US allies, so naturally they were exempt from a ban. Of course, your brainwashed brain incapable of accepting that.
Also, the thing with Kim - he tried to deal with Kim and it didn't work. Or at least it didn't work as he had planned. But an attempt was made. Also, what did you expected from Trump in regards to Kim? Start a war?
And where Putin had attacked Ukraine during Trump's years, outside of occasional skirmishes? He was busy starting **** in Syria.

Most scientists say there are genetic reasons...
"Gender identity" is a social construct conssiting out of stereotypes. It can't allign with anything, since it doesn't actually exists. It is no more real than fictional deaities or fairy tales.

If you want to say that people don't feel like biological sex they are, it is no different than people who think they are too fat or too thin. Its all in the head and has nothing to do with genetics. If anything it is another facet of schizophrenia or paranoia. It doesn't help that a lot of trans act like abusers and full-on psychos.

As for scientific consensus - scientists believed in many things accross the years, which ended up being lie. Like Homosexuality can be cured by the shocktherapy. Or that COVID doesn't transmit from human to human (according to WHO at the begnining of 2020).

Science always was cultural and political battlefield. Now more than ever, since big money and corporations are involved. To put it simply - it is very lucrative to have trans people around than not, which is a reason why "scientists" support their existence and use them to put money in their pockets.

No two people have the same life experience even if they come similar backgrounds....
I call ******** on this one.
If someone is rich enough to get into a good university, I recon their experience won't be that different from person of any other ethnicity. I bet, if some White person from a poor family or foreign country would've ended up in a prestigious university, they'd have more problems than Black guy from a middle class or rich family.

It seems you like a typical SJW you don't want to recognize class problems, even though they are supposed to be at the core of your beliefs? I wonder why?

Could it be, because, you are more than OK with status quo and, if you will go out there to truly support Left values, it will destroy your life. But since, you still want to virtue signal and look like a "good boy" in the eyes of your peers you need to pretend to be a good "lefty". I don't know why: maybe you just lonely and want to belong to some group or in a desperate need of approval by some randos, I don't give a ****.
At the end of the day, you are just pretentious liar.

Honestly I have never seen any debate on the left about the appropriateness of giving a sex toy to a child. The whole thing sounds so ludicrous I genuinely thought you'd made it up as a poor attempt at a joke. Likewise I have never heard anyone on the left debate age of consent laws.
Liar.

The right does have a weird attitude towards sex in general. Some seem practically obsessed with it whereas people like Ben Shapiro want to ban porn, Charlie Kirk goes into meltdown every time a female pop star dresses slightly scantily clad and then there's that weird Proud Boys inspired #nofap movement. All on the right.
Yeah, its not like Left go ape screaming when they see half naked girl in the video game or comic book, but approve of real women choosing prositution as their carrier.

Because, half-naked fictional woman somehow turn boys into rapists and abusers, but seeing real life women trading their bodies as commodity won't have any bad effects. But as always I expect you to dodge this issue or come up with some nonsense, like "I don't now about that" or "it is a DIFFERENT thing" or "there is a consensus, which you SHOULD trust, because, reasons".
No word of truth from the likes of you.

Interesting that you didn't even know what "critical race theory was" but now talk with authority on it. I should stress that actual critical race theory outside of college classes were it is relevant. People use the term to decribe the teaching of very basic black history because it sounds scarier to white moderates who would otherwise not have a problem with it. How is teaching in greater detail the history of racism in the country or the world considered revenge? It's not just history either as the effects of things like slavery and Jim Crow still affect things today; think about how white Americans smoke more weed but prisons are packed full of black people that got caught with marijuana. Why are more black people arrested for the same crime? Why are more black people less likely to afford or be granted bail when arrested for this? This is the after effects of slavery and segregation.
Or maybe those aftereffects of Democrat policies, which were convincing Blacks that they are perpetual victims and set them with welfare programs, instead bettering their infrastructure, which resulted in Blacks being more predisposed to the life of crime and violence. All this in an attempt to get loyal "electorate" they can use to secure permanent seat of power as well as loyal army of thugs they can throw at anyone who dare to deny them, like in 2020.

Also, CRT teaches White people to hate themselves and that they are "born monsters" not just about crimes from generations ago.

I've already told you - but I'll repeat since you didn't seem to take it in - the majority of economic migrants to the UK do speak English and I believe the same is true is the US....which is more than can be said for a lot of native English speaking people who emigrate to non-English speaking countries. In regards to how immigrants behave as long as they follow the law they should be able to live how they please. Enforcing how people behave is not something that is done in free societies. Do you apply this to immigrants who become citizens? Children and grandchildren of immigrants? Just how homogeneous should everyone's behavior be? Dress the same? Act the same? This is some North Korea level stuff you're proposing.
Ah, sure, asking people to speak language of the new country to fit in society and not be permanent outcast and follow its traditions as well as juidical system is "North Korea" to you. As expected from SJW.

Apparently your ideal society is a group of random people who don't speak common language, incapable of communication or understanding, but still somehow governed as a coherent whole, without cultural or criminal issues. Something that exists only in utopia. But as expected from SJW - you can't separate fiction from reality. Or you do it, strictly when it fits you.

Just so everything is clear this was in response to you saying that all trans people are mentally ill rapists that should be locked away. If this is what you literally believe then yes that is bigoted, it's wrong and you're objectively a bad person. Under different circumstances I would cut you some slack and assume you're exaggerating your views but literally every time I've done that you've confirmed you genuinely believe this crap.
You know how much **** I give about looking bad in the eyes of the fanatic like you? Rat ****, that's what I give.
Looking bad in your eyes is basically like a honor to me, like looking bad in the eyes of communists trash or nazi trash or cultist trash. You got the picture.

Also, I don't think every trans is rapey psycho, but all of them are ultimately not right in the head.

Andrew NDB

03-07-2022, 06:52 PM

https://i.ibb.co/M6CVPVJ/275293943-1797519343771036-3551542321754740465-n.jpg

Mayhem

03-08-2022, 03:51 AM

Now you're giving them ideas!

IMJ

03-09-2022, 09:42 AM

Sumac

03-09-2022, 10:40 AM

Andrew NDB

03-09-2022, 10:55 AM

Looks like Biden is using Ukraine as a reason to go after cryptocurrencies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/heres-whats-in-bidens-executive-order-on-crypto.html

Coola Yagami

03-09-2022, 12:34 PM

Looks like Biden is using Ukraine as a reason to go after cryptocurrencies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/heres-whats-in-bidens-executive-order-on-crypto.html

All the while, CoVid just.... disappeared.

Andrew NDB

03-09-2022, 12:39 PM

All the while, CoVid just.... disappeared.

And Fauci.

It's no longer possible or convenient to utilize COVID to sway people one way or another way. They know MOST people are over it and done with the COVID theater. Now, Ukraine? The first major war/invasion in Europe since WWII? Boy. That is a cow that can be milked. First it's "you have to do your part and pay more at the pump for Ukraine freedom!" (even though gas prices were already soaring due to the stagflation policies of Biden... but MUCH tidier to blame it on Russia), cryptocurrency in the name of blocking money from Russia, then it'll be maybe "There's Russian spies here!" so they'll need to go after more internet privacy, and so on.

ZariusTwo

03-09-2022, 02:03 PM

Cartoon Network now pulled from Russia

...Really? I'd honestly think depriving them of Teen Titans Go would be considered a good thing

Sumac

03-09-2022, 02:31 PM

Looks like Biden is using Ukraine as a reason to go after cryptocurrencies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/heres-whats-in-bidens-executive-order-on-crypto.html
Which is strange considering that a lot of monetary help to Ukraine came from Crypto.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-09-2022, 04:36 PM

The world of video gaming is about to cut off Russia.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/04/video-game-firms-move-to-cut-off-russia-amid-ukraine-war.html

IMJ

03-09-2022, 04:55 PM

The real issue here is the impotency and general uselessness of pacts and "solidarity" of the U.N. It's a joke.

And a lot of this smells like the evidence of the absolute uselessness of the U.N. through the complete defiance of Russia. This is the kind of event whereby the U.N. absorbs the useless NATO, ultimately leading to a new one world government with two branches.

All while pointing a finger at this event as the impetus for it's rise.

Once again, alternative would be what - a war with a nuclear power?

Surely you are not stupid enough to suggest of them to get into direct conflict with a nation ruled by a trigger-happy idiot?

Outside of direct war conflict Western nations did almost everything in their power to hamper Russia. Our economy has been completely destroyed and by the most optimistic estimations it won't be fixed for the next decade, even, if all sanctions would be lifted overnight.
Russia's reputation is down the drain as well - everyone will look at this country and its people like at aggressors. Not to mention a lot of Western companies had refused to work with Russia and, who knows, whether they will return back after this shitshow is over.
Its over for this place. And that's not a hyperbole.

No, no, no. And the prescient mechanism of action for that "no, no, no" is like you said - nation ruled by a trigger-happy idiot. Putin wants this for his legacy and I don't think he values a global evolution of mankind enough to ward off simply devastating whatever he can.

His state media even used childlike logic when they implied nuclear destruction saying something to the effect of "what does Russia care for a world without Russia in it?".

So I hear you.

But that doesn't change my point about the impotence of the U.N. at large in conjunction with NATO. The whole thing smells like a "new world order" catalyst to evolve a one-world government which removes sovereignty, or bare minimum to usher in stakeholder capitalism under the World Economic Forum.

These aren't conspiracies anymore, although ignorant leftist f's will disregard the WEF policy, propaganda and -ahem- website that actually tout both this and the great reset.

The short of it is that if you want all of that office-workplace-bull$#!( in your private life - the sabotage, the conformity, the backstabbing, the virtue signaling, then let stakeholder capitalism in your life where corporations run things instead of the people through represented government. And this Russia-Ukraine thing is going to be the excuse for something related to that in the next five years.

"You will own nothing, and you will be happy".

The only way this thing doesn't end with a worse off situation for the global "everyman" citizen is if Russian society has a revolution and takes that guy down. And I've got to tell you man - I understand that is hard for the Russian citizen, but guess what? The Ukraine citizen is doing that and more right now in real time against a Russian invasion. If they can stand against the Russian army the way they have been, then the Russian people can certainly stand against f'n Putin. Enough pushback and I'd bet that much of your army and police would turn on him too. Most Russians are good people who don't want this.

Coola Yagami

03-09-2022, 05:50 PM

Most Russians are good people who don't want this.

Bad things happen when good men do nothing.

Look at Canada. The police coulda said no. Their special forces or whatever they were coulda said no. Trudeau has no power if his goons say no. They choose to 'do nothing' and just 'follow orders'. Not only that, but all the non-truckers/vaccine slaves also chose to do nothing.

IMJ

03-09-2022, 05:51 PM

Exactly, man. Exactly.

FredWolfLeonardo

03-09-2022, 05:58 PM

Bad things happen when good men do nothing.

Look at Canada. The police coulda said no. Their special forces or whatever they were coulda said no. Trudeau has no power if his goons say no. They choose to 'do nothing' and just 'follow orders'. Not only that, but all the non-truckers/vaccine slaves also chose to do nothing.

Are you admitting that the Freedom Convoy was a failure? Not trying to rub it in, just curious as I have heard some say that it was a failure, while others say that it was "just the beginning".

Vegita-San

03-09-2022, 06:01 PM

with all this ukraine stuff, seems 'fbi involved in the 6th' got buried fast ..

Coola Yagami

03-09-2022, 06:47 PM

Are you admitting that the Freedom Convoy was a failure? Not trying to rub it in, just curious as I have heard some say that it was a failure, while others say that it was "just the beginning".

Half and half. A lot of innocent Canadians were beaten and arrested just for being there (and I mean, not even truckers, just bystanders filming the event).

But at the same time, several states in Canada dropped all restrictions and mandates. They inspired Freedom Convoys in other countries, including the one in DC that is happening right now. The one the news is pretending isn't happening.

Leo656

03-09-2022, 07:21 PM

Pretty funny how in light of everything going on in the world some people aren't ready to stop playing Scamdemic. Just goes to show you how scared of their own shadow they are.

It's over, go outside.

CyberCubed

03-09-2022, 08:52 PM

I think the thread title needs to be renamed to "War with Ukraine" or "Russia invades Ukraine." Millions of civilians have been killed.

FredWolfLeonardo

03-09-2022, 09:04 PM

I think the thread title needs to be renamed to "War with Ukraine" or "Russia invades Ukraine." Millions of civilians have been killed.

Hundreds have been killed, maybe even thousands. Not millions though.

Sumac

03-09-2022, 09:27 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-07/china-urges-world-not-to-add-fuel-to-fire-in-war-in-ukraine

China stops reconsidering and stands with Russia claiming that the situation with Taiwan is different.
Xi has not decided to take Siberia yet.

The only way this thing doesn't end with a worse off situation for the global "everyman" citizen is if Russian society has a revolution and takes that guy down. And I've got to tell you man - I understand that is hard for the Russian citizen, but guess what? The Ukraine citizen is doing that and more right now in real time against a Russian invasion. If they can stand against the Russian army the way they have been, then the Russian people can certainly stand against f'n Putin. Enough pushback and I'd bet that much of your army and police would turn on him too. Most Russians are good people who don't want this.
Good luck convincing Russian people in it.
Like, you really need a planet sized bucket of luck and than some.

As for "worldwide government", sorry, I don't buy those ****** conspiracy theories about "illuminaties" and ****.

Sumac

03-10-2022, 03:12 AM

Russia is nationalizing Companies that are leaving (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/legislative-commission-backs-plan-to-nationalize-property-of-western-companies-exiting-russia-11646858411). Could this mean we can get some exclusive TMNT Russian media again?
Hopefully you are joking, because, last time, when Russians made their own TMNT stuff, it were lame fanfics copypasting stories of other movies and books, from Lovecraft (!!) to Leprekon and the like. It was basically ****.

CyberCubed

03-10-2022, 06:32 AM

Sumac

03-10-2022, 07:05 AM

Sumac since you live in Russia do you notice things shutting down? Apparently youtube shutdown in Russia? Nintendo and Sony were shutting down their digital online stores there, many companies are pulling out businesses or online marketplaces, etc?

Do you notice certain TV stations shutting down and internet sites being blocked? Or is everything still available there? Have you noticed anything?
I don't watch TV so I can't say anything about that. But from what I know it runs like normal - most of TV channels are owned by state either directly or through various "connections", so they won't be hurt by sanctions.

As for Internet, YouTube works fine so far, but Facebook and Twitter has been completely banned. Also, all opposition sites has been either banned or closed.

In general, 99% of opposition media (radio, newspapers, magazines, TV channels) has been eliminated. At the moment it is safe to say that Russia no longer has ANY notable big (or even small) media opposing regime. Few remaining Russian sites are working from the foreign countries or spread news through various messengers.

Being in opposition to regime is dangerous here - trying to state anything against Putin or his "campaign" in social networks might net an enormous penalty or jail time up to 15 years. Police brutally arrests everyone who dare to protest against war and tortures and beats them up. There also rumors that police stops people on the street and checks their messengers and texts in the phone.

I hope, it gives certain "sofa rebels" an idea why people here do not want to protest against "glorious leader".

As for shops - I didn't go outside much in the last few months and hadn't visit big malls or city center for some time, so I can't say what it looks like now, but given that pretty much all fast food networks, like McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks and the like, decided to suspend their activities here, Moscow will look quite different.

Coola Yagami

03-10-2022, 11:13 AM

It has to suck to be a regular Russian joe and have to suffer all this ****. Imagine if all of this was done to us because Biden chose to stick his nose where it didn't belong. Like literally ALL of us having all these services cut here and there because of what our braindead so-called leader said.

And you know how leftist media works. Anyone that would dare lay their hands on Biden will be forever labelled as the lovechild of Trump and Hitler.

Andrew NDB

03-10-2022, 11:15 AM

As for Internet, YouTube works fine so far, but Facebook and Twitter has been completely banned.

Apparently you can just use a VPN in Russia and get on Facebook and all that just fine.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-10-2022, 11:28 AM

Imagine the possibilities, a new TMNT movie, new cartoon.

Nickelodeon would never accept that without their permission.

Coola Yagami

03-10-2022, 12:04 PM

Nickelodeon would never accept that without their permission.

It honestly doesn't matter in this case. Hell, they'd never even know.

Sumac

03-10-2022, 12:57 PM

Apparently you can just use a VPN in Russia and get on Facebook and all that just fine.
That's what everyone here do, to escape propaganda diarrhea.

The worst part, even if this **** stops right now, sanctions won't be lifted for months, if not years, economy will suffer do a decade at best and reputation of the country and its people is ruined for generations.
And all of this was achieved in a span of a ****ing week!!

I am starting to search ways to get away from this shithole.

neatoman

03-10-2022, 01:41 PM

From what I can understand of Wikipedia's article on Russian copyright law, TMNT should not be considered public domain within Russia, it is not legal for anyone to just do whatever they want with it. Although, interestingly enough, corporate copyright only seems to be recognised in terms of international trade and duration only appears to be in relation to the author's life span. Obviously you'd have to talk to a lawyer specialising in Russian copyright law, but it could mean Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman's lifespans are more important than Nickelodeon's claims. So if both of them were to die tomorrow, then TMNT would be considered the property of Viacom/whoever until 2079 according to US copyright law but until 2092 in Russia. I'm probably wrong but that is what I got out of it.

Anyway, about Russia nationalising properties of companies in Russia... I think that only extends to like factories and inventory, not IP. And if corporate IP isn't recognised outside of international trade, then the authors should still be recognised as the copyright holders, right?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-10-2022, 05:36 PM

It honestly doesn't matter in this case. Hell, they'd never even know.

Maybe Russia can get away with their own TMNT comics. But cartoons and movies? They will end up sued.

Coola Yagami

03-10-2022, 05:41 PM

Maybe Russia can get away with their own TMNT comics. But cartoons and movies? They will end up sued.

Again, how will they even know? Nowadays Nick can even get cancelled for looking too much into Russia.

CyberCubed

03-10-2022, 06:54 PM

Apparently the Russian economy is being put on freeze, starting to wonder when the normal citizens will have trouble buying groceries and other every day supplies. I think that's around the time where people will start rioting against the government when their own well being is threatened. Russia isn't North Korea, they're not going to stand by as their leader lets them starve.

Sumac

03-11-2022, 02:04 AM

FredWolfLeonardo

03-11-2022, 02:10 AM

There seems to be this idea floating in the West that every dictatorship's populace is just impatiently waiting to overthrow their leader and all secretly hate him. That's absolutely not the case, even in modern times, people like Putin, Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping all enjoy significant popular support in their own countries.

Dictators are not Saturday morning cartoon villains.

triplexxx

03-11-2022, 02:53 AM

The best Bond movie is "You Only Live Twice." Bond fighting ninjas, an island volcano hideout, and priceless dark humor.Also in that one, a captured astronaut and two captured cosmonauts helped Bond fight off the villains after he released them from their cells in Blofeld's lair. A bit ironic considering the current situation up at the International Space Station with Astronaut Mark Vande Hei, who's stationed up there and who's return trip to Kazakhstan with two other cosmonauts is now in question. Hopefully that situation gets resolved.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-11-2022, 03:19 AM

Sumac

03-11-2022, 04:02 AM

Its nothingburger - 4000 people protesting in a country, which has 130 million people is like a drop in a sea.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-11-2022, 06:37 AM

Disney Studios will suspend all business in Russia

https://www.reuters.com/business/disney-pause-all-business-russia-2022-03-10/

Sumac

03-11-2022, 07:20 AM

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-11-2022, 09:35 AM

I remember how much of an event it was to have McDonalds, Disney, Mars, Wrigley's and Coca Cola legally in Soviet Union / Russia for the first time...and now I will see how all of them disappear here. Its like our clock has been reverted to the middle of the 80s.

The whole world moved forward for the 35 years and we rolled back.

I wrote about this in May last year. The return of authoritarianism in Russia is the saddest thing I've experienced in my entire lifetime. The demolition of the Berlin Wall and the Eastern European Revolutions of 1989 led not only to the end of the Cold War, but also to the beginning of a more open world. Those years sharpened my youth, and made my generation unique.

During the 1990's and early 21st century, the world came together more and more for each year passing, guided by Western democracy. Those years felt like an international party, as people and cultures crossed the borders as never before. No Iron Curtain, walls or soldiers guarding the border, just Western pop and rock music streaming from the car radio from Seattle to Vladivostok. McDonald's hamburger restaurants in Moscow, and Russian ice hockey players in the NHL. What had been unbelievable just a couple of years earlier was now only limited by Human imagination. Using the Internet, young people were talking with each other as no generation had done before as our small world continued shrinking.

There were still some wars, like the Persian Gulf War and the Yugoslavian Civil War but without any Soviet backup, many corrupt governments around the world fell and were replaced by democratic (and while democracies may have economic problems, they don't fight each other). Eventually, the Yugoslavian Civil War ended and Slobodan Miloševi? was kicked out during the 2000 October Revolution in Yugoslavia, ending another corrupt regime with faked elections.

Without the Cold War threat, more and more countries could cut back on their military budgets. This has been described as the feeling of being on "vacation from history". A lot of countries in Eastern Europe joined the NATO and together with their Western allies, they fought the War against Terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many of them also joined international organizations like the Council of Europe and the European Union.

But Vladimir Putin got other plans, as more and more years in power made him corrupt. He wanted to turn the clock back and then came the horrible, horrible, horrible year of 2014. We probably didn't understand the impact of that year until later. By the time, TMNT fans were enjoying late Season 2 and early Season 3 of the Nickelodeon cartoon (from The Good, the Bad, and Casey Jones on 2 February to Race with the Demon on 21 November), and watching the live-action movie in cinemas in August that year. But in February 2014, Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine and the rest is history. Meanwhile, the PR China is now building its social credit system (thankfully, Corona postponed it).

As the bombs now fall on Ukraine, let's all return back to a time when the world still came together, and people revolted against the sick ideas of looking up people behind walls, fences and barbed wire, guarded by soldiers.

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Andrew NDB

03-11-2022, 10:57 AM

The whole world moved forward for the 35 years

Well... it did something.

Sumac

03-11-2022, 11:22 AM

Ironically Gorbachev resignation was one of the worst things that had happened to the USSR. He was indecisive, but ultimately a good leader who cared about country in a ways very few Soviet / Russian leaders did in 20th century.

Sadly he lost his convictions in an inner war between conservatives and liberals and later lost power to the power hungry bitch Yeltsin.

Well... it did something.
It definitely moved for the better.

Sadly, West reached a critical point in its evolution, where it has become so fat, sated and safe, that it had started to eat itself from the inside.

It is a inevitable process of the society without strong convictions or an enemy. Gladly, for the West, Russia had provided such an enemy for the West once more, much more effectively than nebulous "middle eastern terrorists" or odd China, so probably we see all those crazy Lefties being swept back in the dark and stinky corner they have come from.

neatoman

03-11-2022, 03:00 PM

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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-11-2022, 03:49 PM

This song was intended to represent Georgia at the 2009 Eurovision Song Contest in Moscow. The European Broadcasting Union banned it for political content, which is against the Eurovision Song Contest rules.

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Sumac

03-11-2022, 04:31 PM

This whole situation with Georgia was handled in an absolutely dumb way by Europeans.

MikeandRaph87

03-13-2022, 11:22 AM

Iran attacksUS military base in Iraq.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606833/Multiple-rockets-smash-Army-base-Kurdish-news-channel-office-Erbil.html.

Meanwhile a U.S. reporter is among the latest dead in Ukraine after Russian attacks.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brent-renaud-ukraine-russia-american-journalist-killed/

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-13-2022, 02:33 PM

I don't watch TV so I can't say anything about that.

A lot of older people in Russia, who listen to traditional radio and watch traditional television, need to know what's happening in Ukraine.

Andrew NDB

03-14-2022, 02:57 AM

Dang. This actually would be how WWIII starts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china/ar-AAV1qgl?li=BBnb7Kz

FredWolfLeonardo

03-14-2022, 03:17 AM

I am not sure whether China will join the Russians or not. One thing is for sure though, they will stay neutral at the very least and will never, ever join NATO.

Andrew NDB

03-14-2022, 03:32 AM

I am not sure whether China will join the Russians or not. One thing is for sure though, they will stay neutral at the very least and will never, ever join NATO.

I doubt they would go beyond quiet support of Russia. This would be not so quiet support. But we'll see.

Sumac

03-14-2022, 04:14 AM

A lot of older people in Russia, who listen to traditional radio and watch traditional television, need to know what's happening in Ukraine.
They know. Just what propaganda wants them to know.
And they either support it or prefer not to get into trouble.

Dang. This actually would be how WWIII starts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china/ar-AAV1qgl?li=BBnb7Kz
Hopefully not.
China is too smart to participate in this conflict.

In fact, they want to see Russia being nerfed to the point where it won't have a shot at being a superpower to rival China. For this scenario they just need to wait until Russia fails (which its almost had already) and crawls at its knees to China doorstep as the only strong business partner who will supply Russia with everything, from car details to microchips.

China will get a vassal state and territory to colonize and it will cost them absolutely nothing.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-14-2022, 04:40 AM

Russians outside Russia are now encouraged to call Russians inside Russia and talk about the situation.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/11/call-russia-if-you-re-a-russian-speaker-this-could-be-the-most-important-phone-call-you-ev

https://callrussia.org/eng

FredWolfLeonardo

03-14-2022, 01:36 PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/african-fighters-prepare-to-join-russian-troops-in-ukraine-jmhqlxrtv

Fighters from Central African Republic have pledged allegiance to Russia, and have said they will be joining soon. Putin has also given the green light for 16,000 volunteers in the Middle East to fight alongside the Russian army.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-14-2022, 01:42 PM

Russia blocked Instagram

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/14/russian-influencers-instagram-access-blocked-telegram-social-media

Vegita-San

03-14-2022, 01:46 PM

why are all these countries joining russia is an interesting question. what do they get out of it?

AquaParade

03-14-2022, 01:57 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

03-14-2022, 02:13 PM

why are all these countries joining russia is an interesting question. what do they get out of it?

I'm guessing its the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality. The countries in question also have close relations with Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-told-nato-asia-allies-that-china-willing-supply-arms-russia-us-official-2022-03-14/

According to the United States, China is now ready to provide economic and military aid to Russia.

Sumac

03-14-2022, 02:34 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

03-14-2022, 02:36 PM

This is weird.
Unless Russia lies, which it usually does, I don't see what China can get out of it.

Propping Russia is not in their interests, unless they want to prolong conflict, thus draining both Russia and West out of resources and further destabilize global economy.

In the article, Russia is denying that China is helping out, but its the United States who is accussing China of supplying Russia.

Sumac

03-14-2022, 02:50 PM

Considering US warned about invasion for months before it had happened, it is obvious who I trust more.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-14-2022, 03:05 PM

The Ice Hockey Federation of Russia now asks KHL clubs to express their support for Russia's war in Ukraine.

I couldn't find any source in English, this is in German.

https://www.watson.ch/sport/eishockey/929428449-russischer-hockey-verband-soll-khl-teams-um-propaganda-gebeten-haben

CyberCubed

03-14-2022, 06:34 PM

Any death estimates so far? I've heard everything from 10,000+ dead on both sides or more.

Sumac

03-15-2022, 12:09 AM

No-one knows.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-15-2022, 05:09 AM

Russian journalist protested during the news report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60744605

Sumac

03-15-2022, 05:18 AM

Russian journalist protested during the news report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60744605
Amazingly brave.

MikeandRaph87

03-15-2022, 09:13 PM

https://www.axios.com/ukraine-russia-mariupol-hospital-hostages-2d387184-0541-4afe-a260-89e1f2151539.html
500 individuals are being held hostage in a hospital.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-16-2022, 05:19 AM

The Youtube is in danger in Russia now.

Sumac

03-16-2022, 05:37 AM

Always was. Like any other non-state media.

Mayhem

03-16-2022, 06:14 AM

Amazingly brave.
Given you live in Russia... someone I know who used to live in Eastern Europe mentioned to me that almost certainly no news is live there. It's all pre-recorded. If so, there'd be no chance for a random protest board to be held on screen, the authorities would just refilm and edit it out. So it's a reverse psychology flip here by the state to its viewers. Your thoughts?

Sumac

03-16-2022, 06:20 AM

Given you live in Russia... someone I know who used to live in Eastern Europe mentioned to me that almost certainly no news is live there. It's all pre-recorded. If so, there'd be no chance for a random protest board to be held on screen, the authorities would just refilm and edit it out. So it's a reverse psychology flip here by the state to its viewers. Your thoughts?
No, from what is known it was live.

Also, I don't think people in charge of state know what "reverse psychology" is. They are so afraid of ANY opposition and criticism, that they try to stifle any possible conversations, that can be thought as opposing official propaganda.

Naturally, showing anti-war statement on the main channel, during prime time news would be so against reality they are trying to build, it would be unthinkable.

I do not exclude possibility that it might have been orchestrated by some inner circles, who are against Putin, but I don't think it was something his propaganda would have done.

Andrew NDB

03-16-2022, 01:23 PM

Sumac

03-16-2022, 03:11 PM

lol... Russia wants Alaska back? Oh OK, here you go, no problem.

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/russian-lawmaker-demands-america-return-alaska-and-pay-reparations-due-to-sanctions-ukraine-oleg-matveychev-kremlin-fort-ross-california-antartic-ocean-economy
We have plenty of lunatics like this, sadly.
Most of the them are just pet clowns of the regime, used to test the mood of the crowd. Rarely they have any actual influence.
Its better just pay them no heed.

MikeandRaph87

03-16-2022, 05:46 PM

Sumac

03-16-2022, 06:43 PM

NATO needs to get involved. Someone needs to help fight off the Russian puppets.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-mariupol-theatre-where-hundreds-of-people-sheltering-bombed-by-russian-forces-officials-claim-12567393
Once again, it is a bad idea, since NATO involvement will mean direct confrontation between NATO and nuclear power under control of a tyrant. Not a wise idea.

CyberCubed

03-16-2022, 09:03 PM

Leo656

03-16-2022, 10:37 PM

If he were American, he could just go on The View, say he was vewy vewy sowwy, and all would be forgiven and he'd get to guest host Jeopardy.

Sumac

03-17-2022, 03:41 AM

So even when the fighting eventually stops, what will happen to Putin? I don't think they can let things just go back to the way the were before, way too many people have been killed. Most countries are calling what Putin is doing is basically war crimes. Will he resign or step down? Will he be assassinated? Will he face the jury of the world?
No-one knows.
But as long as he is a leader of a Russia, it will be a "state-non-grata" and, of course, no-one will see him as equal on a world scene.

Obviously he won't resign, since he sees himself as some sort of "messiah" who restores USSR to its former glory and he values his image of a "macho" too much, even if it was made up by image makers. Resigning would make him look weak and will put him at odds with majority of a core Russian people, who want to have a strong leader and believe that NATO wants to destroy Russia.

This is the same reason why those events are so worrying - Putin has no chance to win: if he pulls out army now, he will look weak and stupid. If he occupies Kiyv and installs puppet government, it will be toppled as soon as Russian army leaves, since no-one in Ukraine will support it.

It means he will need to leave majority of Russian forces in a foreign country to ensure its compliance, but, with 99% of population are against them, conflict will continue, which means Russia will need to send new troops again and again. It will be a black hole syphoning money and men from Russia until its economy and army collapse and makes a further conflict unsustainable.

There is a possibility of a nuclear blackmail, but this will lead to all other countries completely choking Russian economy, until its total collapse. And I think even China will support it, since the last thing they is a rowdy neighbor, threatening to swing nukes left and right.

So all in all, Putin has no good options. At all.