Ghostbusters: Afterlife sequel (GB4) [Archive]

Leo656

04-26-2022, 06:04 PM

He's got a terrible on-set history that goes way beyond "saying nasty things" and stretches back decades. He's physically assaulted multiple people and threatened many more. He always gets away with it because "He's Bill Murray". But lest we forget, the reason he and Ramis didn't speak for decades is because even his "Good Friend" Harold finally had enough of "Bill being Bill" and slammed him into a wall by his shirt collar.

Even off-set, he's reportedly a nightmare. There's the "walking into a room at a restaurant and stealing/breaking everyone's cell phones so nobody can record him" stuff, but there's also the little matter of, he was horribly verbally abusive to his ex-wife and may have physically abused her, as well. One of their kids once attested to the fact that he screamed at his wife during an argument, "I could f*cking kill you and nobody would ever know." There's supposedly voicemails of him saying similar things.

Everybody wants to like Bill Murray because he's Bill Murray. But the sad fact of the matter that we're only now recognizing is that... Bill Murray is kind of a scumbag who just happens to have a charming screen presence. Pick any movie he's ever worked on, and there's no shortage of "Oh, f*ck THAT guy" stories.

As to what happened THIS time... one can guess, even though it hasn't come out yet. He probably got drunk and screamed at/threatened someone, maybe touched a woman inappropriately. He once threw an ashtray at Richard Dreyfuss's face, threw a female director into a lake during an argument, ripped the same director's glasses off her face and broke them when she refused to give him more days off... it could be ANY f*cking thing, with him, that's the thing. He's NOT a nice guy.

Which is unfortunate. But more and more, people are just getting fed up with him. How many guys have had entire movie productions shut down just so the studio can hire bodyguards to keep him away from the rest of the cast? Only Bill Murray, as far as I'm aware.

He's special. He's just a Special Kinda Guy.
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As far as the movie, I'm tepidly excited simply because we don't know anything yet. I liked "Afterlife" a ton but the next one could be anything. All we know is "They're doing another one." I'll have more to say when we know more of substance.

Andrew NDB

04-26-2022, 06:07 PM

The odds I would ever be able to sit down and share a drink with Bill Murray are pretty low, so I don't really care about how nice or not nice he is (though I've read over the years about him surprising this person or that person, in a good way?). He remains probably my favorite actor.

Leo656

04-26-2022, 06:19 PM

As an actor, he's great.

As a human being, he's apparently not, which more and more seems just as likely as "He's elusive on purpose" as to why he doesn't work more often than he does. Almost everyone who ever worked with him has said "I'm never working with him again" and that leaves an ever-shrinking pool of people both in front of and behind the camera.

I'm sure he's not hurting for money and he only ever worked when he wanted to anyway. Point is, very few people even WANT to work with him, anymore. And that's just plain not a good look.

It's a shame because all anyone really has is their legacy, and he's not gonna be around much longer. The stuff we KNOW about him is bad; one can only imagine the stuff they keep under wraps that'll start coming out when he's gone.

He doesn't care, but he should. It's all on him. He could be remembered as "just" a brilliant actor, OR "a brilliant actor who drank too much and was a huge asshole to everyone he ever met for no good reason at all." Everybody loves the guy... until they meet him. He has no REASON to treat people like sh*t... he just does it to amuse himself (or because he's drunk). It's not like he's some overlooked, underappreciated guy who toiled for years and never got a break; he's a living legend who punched his own ticket, and he's STILL the most miserable son of a bitch alive.

What SENSE does that make? Why can't he just A. Be appreciative of how fortunate he is, and B. Treat other people the way they treat him? Nobody on Earth ever woke up on any given day and said, "I'm gonna go start sh*t with Bill Murray." Rather, Bill Murray wakes up and decides to be a f*cking prick for no reason.

It's not defensible. And it's gonna be a huge black mark on his legacy. And whose fault is that? Only his. That's the real shame of it all. He could go down in history any way he wants and that's how he wants to be remembered. As a "drunken Irish bully", in Dreyfuss's words.

When the world gives you f*cking Everything, it doesn't cost you anything just to f*cking be nice to people.

neatoman

04-26-2022, 06:26 PM

For some reason, I keep thinking this thread is about a Ghostbusters game on the GBA when I see the title.

Wildcat

04-27-2022, 02:00 AM

I assume Bill Murray is done with this. Which is totally fine. He only appeared in the reboot because he pretty much had to and in Afterlife for Jason and Ivan.

This must continue with Phoebe in some way. It would not make sense otherwise. Have the Spengler family (Mr. Grooberson) join Ray and Winston.

Introduce their kids/family too. Give their personal life some attention. They don’t have to be GB. Also find a spot for Podcast.

Something I just thought of...Muncher is Slimer’s counterpart. Give Stay Puft a counterpart with a new equally cute monster. I don’t mean a giant. Maybe a Twinkie? Is that too on-the-nose? :lol: Doesn’t have to be food I guess.

Andrew NDB

04-27-2022, 02:33 AM

At this point, Murray did what he needed to do. If she shows up in a mid-credits thing, awesome. That'd be enough.

And if Oscar shows, hey. That's his stepson. Maybe he can peek around.

drgon78

04-27-2022, 05:44 AM

He is a good actor and yes I have heard he is hard to work with though he must be doing something right if many actors have no problem working with him many times. Also heard he is a really good tipper.

CyberCubed

04-27-2022, 04:54 PM

Bill Murray looks 90 even though he's only 71. I don't know what the hell happened to him.

Andrew NDB

04-27-2022, 06:37 PM

All he had to do was put some black hair dye in there and he'd look 50 years younger.

neatoman

04-27-2022, 06:51 PM

He used to have a lot of neck fat, losing that gives anyone obvious wrinkles.
https://img.game-news24.com/2021/10/Drew-Barrymore-Charlie-s-Angels-Star-tries-Out-on-On-Set-Fight-Between-Bill-Murray-and-Lucy-Liu.jpeg

Leo656

04-28-2022, 03:29 AM

Drinking too much also ages the hell out of a person. Especially if they otherwise don't take great care of themselves. He's never been a particularly vain guy so frankly it's impressive he doesn't look a bit worse considering what we know of his lifestyle.

Andrew NDB

05-01-2022, 02:58 AM

Murray comments on his latest troubles. A little.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/bill-murray-being-mortal-suspension-1235255203/

I bet it wasn't much of anything.

Leo656

05-01-2022, 03:19 AM

Sounds like he most likely touched someone inappropriately or made a comment about a woman's body.

Which granted, isn't "much", but still, you're not allowed to do that anymore. Everyone knows that.

Andrew NDB

05-01-2022, 03:45 AM

I think jumping to "he touched someone" is a little presumptive. I've been thinking it was some kind of gag, or said something "offensive" or something. Not ruling it out, though.

Leo656

05-01-2022, 05:32 AM

I could have sworn he said he "did something" that was supposed to be funny but wasn't taken that way, but I could have read it wrong.

Part of why my mind jumped there is because that happened to me, once. Way back in high school I was best friends with this one girl, and we were kinda "huggy" and everything so one day I playfully patted her on the butt. And OH BOY did that become A Whole Big Thing that went on for weeks. I had to apologize to her in front of all our friends, AND to our friends, and blah blah. I didn't feel like it was a big deal, but I was upset that THEY did.

Then later on I found out that she let a guy she didn't even like finger-bang her and her friend at the same time. So I haven't felt bad about it since. :lol: F*ck her.

Coola Yagami

05-01-2022, 09:49 AM

Leo656

05-01-2022, 10:03 AM

Yeah, women are just oversensitive over stuff like that. Like, I understand the fear of being assaulted but sometimes a pat on the butt is just a pat on the butt. I can assume you weren't pinning her down or whatever.

Like obviously I wouldn't wantsome woman to tie me down and use tools on me against my will, but if some random strange woman slapped my butt like at a store or something, yeah I woulda been surprised or whatever but I'd chock it up to 'that weird thing that happened that one day', especially if it was a one time thing and there was zero indication she wanted to go further.

We were literally just saying "See ya later" at the lockers between classes. Quick hug, then a playful pat on the fanny. She whacked me on the arm and called me a jerk, but otherwise it seemed like everything was fine. I thought absolutely nothing of it. I apologized later and she pretended to accept and I thought we were all good.

Fast forward to weeks of our other friends slowly shutting me out little by little, except for one or two who were also "I don't see what the problem is", until they finally had a group "intervention" where they invited me out with them for the express purpose of explaining en masse "Here's what you did wrong and why you're an asshole." :roll:

I did, and do, feel like that was a bit much, especially as this girl wasn't at all foreign to grabbing onto any guy she felt like as if they were a piece of meat, her own self. But I was really close with most of these people, so I sat through their scolding lectures about "consent" and "boundaries" anyway and apologized yet again, and apparently that was "good enough" to be "allowed" to hang out with and be spoken to by everyone again.

It was all very hypocritical and self-serving, on her/their part, but I only saw that later on after more and more things came to light. Basically, if I had been "her type", she would have laughed it off, but I wasn't "cute enough" by her standards so she saw fit to make it a Huge Deal when it wasn't a huge deal. Again, she once let the guy in our group that she borderline hated finger-blast her and her friend at the same time, simply because he looked like a Backstreet Boy. She constantly went on and on in private about what a jerk that guy was and how much he disgusted her as a human being... but not so much that she wouldn't let him get his fingers in her honey pot, apparently.

She went on to have a bunch of bad relationships with a string of guys who treated her badly, because that's what you get when you prioritize guys based on their looks, so good for her. I don't know what ever happened to her otherwise, we had a nasty break-up over an unrelated incident a few years later and never spoke again. I know some of our friends said they talk to her on FB but her name never comes up otherwise. Some of them took my side in the "break-up" and it got really awkward, so I think it's just mutually understood that they not mention me to her or her to me because it just works better for everyone that way.

But yeah that whole situation was bullsh*t. Looking back I'm amazed I stayed friends with her for as long as I did, afterward. She had a way of being really nice when she wanted to be, though, plus she was hot, so I guess I was blinded.

NinjaPug

06-08-2022, 11:09 PM

Lots of stuff in the works - Afterlife sequel, animated movie, Netflix animated series, Dark Horse comic, etc.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/ghostbusters-afterlife-jason-reitman-gil-kenan-sony-sequels-1235160864/

Andrew NDB

06-08-2022, 11:27 PM

Weird they don't namedrop the Spirits Unleashed game. But yeah. Cool to see. We'll see if there's anything worth getting excited about with the animated thing. Might be about the same "quality" as the Fast and the Furious Netflix animated show.

Wildcat

06-09-2022, 12:35 AM

I am super excited right now. I don’t even know what to say. I’m a little surprised about an animated movie. So happy GB4 continues from Afterlife and so happy the cartoon is on Netflix and not another separate service.

IMJ

06-09-2022, 02:35 PM

Andrew NDB

06-28-2022, 12:08 PM

Release date is set: 12/20/23.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-sets-date/

That's a fairly quick turnaround for a CGI-heavy thing that hasn't started filming yet. They must be really close to getting going.

Wildcat

06-29-2022, 03:51 AM

Didn’t they say they started writing it after Afterlife was done? It’s still over a year away though. I’m super happy it’s next year but it’s still a little while and the writing is pretty much be done I assume.

Hope they give details about the storyline at ComicCon.

Hockey Boy

06-29-2022, 10:44 PM

Im really happy, Afterlife was a very special movie to me after the horrors of 2016, but it had a few problems, namely the endless callbacks and nostalgia pandering. Since Afterlife already has the fans on board, now Ressurection or whatever 4’s called can tell more of it’s own story.

Personally, id like a lot more scares, like, idc what you say, Ghostbusters 2 was ****ing SCARY.

Andrew NDB

06-29-2022, 11:44 PM

Since Afterlife already has the fans on board, now Ressurection or whatever 4’s called can tell more of it’s own story.

Yeah. We didn't get Ghostbusters 3 but we got a decent enough coda to the original movies -- now forward we go. I really hope the tongue-in-cheek rumors about Vigo aren't true (though I certainly wouldn't mind bigger Ghostbusters 2 connections).

Autbot_Benz

12-05-2022, 10:05 PM

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
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Gil Kenan is set to direct the ‘GHOSTBUSTERS AFTERLIFE’ sequel. Jason Reitman will produce the film instead.

The main cast are all expected to reprise their roles.

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1599911120814239744

IMJ

12-06-2022, 11:27 AM

I have yet to see Afterlife, but my best friend (this is a guy I've known for I think 25 years now) was so jazzed about it. He said it was terrific and he laughed saying "dude it's going to sound corny but the end of the movie is so cool and so gratifying that it almost makes you tear up." :lol:

I really need to see it....

ZariusTwo

03-16-2023, 10:34 AM

“After the events in Oklahoma, the Ghostbusters team returns to where it all started; New York City! The Spengler family story continues with a new group of Ghostbusters led by Winston Zeddemore (Ernie Hudson) and Ray Stantz (Dan Aykroyd).”

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/03/16/upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel-gets-new-synopsis-includes-details-on-plot-and-returning-stars/

IMJ

03-16-2023, 12:42 PM

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/03/16/upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel-gets-new-synopsis-includes-details-on-plot-and-returning-stars/

I hope it's true. I finally picked this up on 4k and got around to watching it around Christmas. It was terrific....

Hope Bill Murray comes back as well for the next one.

Andrew NDB

03-21-2023, 11:59 AM

It has begun filming:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-begins-filming/

And I wouldn't count on Bill Murray. They dragged him out and he did the little appearance as Venkman and it's done now. I had hopes it would have been more and he would have been amenable to such but it was only fantasy. If anything he'll pop up in the mid-credits sequence again or something.

A little odd they're not making any mention of Aykroyd. Of course Aykroyd will be in the movie.

Wildcat

03-21-2023, 12:47 PM

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/03/16/upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel-gets-new-synopsis-includes-details-on-plot-and-returning-stars/

“After the events in Oklahoma, the Ghostbusters team returns to where it all started; New York City! The Spengler family story continues with a new group of Ghostbusters led by Winston Zeddemore (Ernie Hudson) and Ray Stantz (Dan Aykroyd).”

So they must have a significant role.

ZariusTwo

03-22-2023, 01:45 AM

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/03/16/upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel-gets-new-synopsis-includes-details-on-plot-and-returning-stars/

So they must have a significant role.

Why are you posting the same thing I did?

Wildcat

03-22-2023, 01:51 PM

Why are you posting the same thing I did?Oh haha, didn’t notice, sorry. I just saw Andrew saying there’s no mention of Dan Aykroyd. So I guess he didn’t read your link either.

Autbot_Benz

03-24-2023, 11:54 AM

Kumail Nanjiani And Patton Oswalt Among Newest Additions To Cast Of ‘Ghostbusters: Afterlife’ Sequel

EXCLUSIVE: Kumail Nanjiani, Patton Oswalt, comedian James Acaster and Emily Alyn Lind have joined the cast of the live-action sequel to Sony Pictures’ hit film, Ghostbusters: Afterlife. Gil Kenan is directing, and the previous pic’s cast including Paul Rudd and Carrie Coon will return as the setting shifts to the original films’ New York City and firehouse.

https://deadline.com/2023/03/kumail-nanjiani-patton-oswalt-ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-1235308852/

Andrew NDB

03-24-2023, 02:31 PM

Kumail Nanjiani And Patton Oswalt Among

Ehhhhh... Kumail is a pretty annoying guy and Patton isn't very funny. I'm not sure about this.

Autbot_Benz

04-21-2023, 05:25 PM

Everyone's favorite this man has no dick himself Walter Peck is back in this movie

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-2-set-photos-winston-walter-peck/

ZariusTwo

05-22-2023, 01:15 PM

Sigourney isn't returning

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3763154/sigourney-weaver-says-she-wont-be-back-for-ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel/

Andrew NDB

05-22-2023, 01:58 PM

Sigourney isn't returning

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3763154/sigourney-weaver-says-she-wont-be-back-for-ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel/

Which lessens the odds that we'll see adult Oscar.

Sumac

05-23-2023, 03:49 AM

Which lessens the odds that we'll see adult Oscar.
Arguably he still can be in the movie, but say that his mother moved away or somesuch.

Andrew NDB

05-24-2023, 03:22 PM

Yeah. I have a sinking feeling Oscar might be Patton Oswalt.

Semi-confirmation that Bill Murray is in it. Also, Annie Potts:

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/05/23/bill-murray-spotted-in-the-united-kingdom-amid-ghostbusters-sequel-rumors/

Sumac

05-25-2023, 02:33 AM

Semi-confirmation that Bill Murray is in it.
So much for his lack of desire to be part of the franchise.
Maybe it is a guilt for not joining project, when Ramis was still alive?

Andrew NDB

06-26-2023, 12:47 AM

So much for his lack of desire to be part of the franchise.
Maybe it is a guilt for not joining project, when Ramis was still alive?

Something like that, maybe. Afterlife seems to have pushed him over that roadblock.

And here, he confirms it:

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/06/25/bill-murray-talks-upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel-confirms-his-involvement/

TheCanadiandrome

06-26-2023, 10:50 AM

Lmao Patton Oswalt hahaha

Andrew NDB

07-03-2023, 06:59 PM

Filming has wrapped.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-alien-ghostbusters-films-wrap/

Wildcat

07-04-2023, 01:07 AM

I hope it’s not moved to next year. I understand editing and stuff takes time but I’m just anxious for it.

There’s leaked images that reveal concept art for the new threat and things like equipment I think. I have not seen them...I don’t want to either. I wish they’d at least reveal the plot though.

Very minor spoiler:

From the leaks people mentioned the Mini Pufts might return. Not sure it’s even a spoiler. They’ve been shown off with the logo. I hope they do return but I’d also like a new cute character(s) to go along with them.

Andrew NDB

07-04-2023, 01:11 AM

I wish they’d at least reveal the plot though.

Right? There's not even really anything out there for us to speculate on. Presumably Winston reopens the New York Ghostbusters HQ and... what?

Dpooly84

07-04-2023, 01:20 AM

Right? There's not even really anything out there for us to speculate on. Presumably Winston reopens the New York Ghostbusters HQ and... what?

You know I'm okay with that lol. I really enjoyed the last one, I want to see how Winston trains new busters! Winston always gets trashed because he was the last to the team, he wasn't in to science. He was just taking a job, and was exposed to all this crazy ghost shite! I can see some good stuff coming from this.

Andrew NDB

07-04-2023, 01:24 AM

You know I'm okay with that lol. I really enjoyed the last one, I want to see how Winston trains new busters! Winston always gets trashed because he was the last to the team, he wasn't in to science. He was just taking a job, and was exposed to all this crazy ghost shite! I can see some good stuff coming from this.

Whatever Winston is up to, it's probably going to be seen through the eyes of main little girl and Stranger Things guy from last one.

Dpooly84

07-04-2023, 01:30 AM

Wildcat

07-04-2023, 01:31 AM

Right? There's not even really anything out there for us to speculate on. Presumably Winston reopens the New York Ghostbusters HQ and... what?

Exactly. It’s fun to speculate and there’s nothing to go on. The logo is covered in ice and I guess the containment unit is some factor.

I hope we see Phoebe and Podcast visit Ray’s Occult.

I had an idea I thought would be cool. Ray keeps a jar of the mood slime in his bookstore as a novelty item with a “Not for Sale” sign. If he gets any angry customers it starts to bubble.

Andrew NDB

07-04-2023, 01:33 AM

That's fine, there're both really good actors. And I know Paul rudd has been pulled back in, and I feel like his character represents all the og Ghostbusters fans. He's constantly gushing over Winston and W telling him it's not all fun and games. Sounds good to me

Yeah, it's fine. My only hopes in this one is, #1 that it's GOOD, and #2, it has a little Ghostbusters 2 love in it. And we see some full-form Ghostbusters Ghostbusting. And we get Oscar, maybe.

Dpooly84

07-04-2023, 02:18 AM

Yeah, it's fine. My only hopes in this one is, #1 that it's GOOD, and #2, it has a little Ghostbusters 2 love in it. And we see some full-form Ghostbusters Ghostbusting. And we get Oscar, maybe.

I'm definitely hoping we get more busting! That's why I think they're going back to NYC for, I think we'll get some more containment chamber breaks. We don't know how many ghosts were busted off screen.

Andrew NDB

07-04-2023, 02:22 AM

I think we'll get some more containment chamber breaks.

I really hope it's not as simple as that. But it might be. The Afterlife teaser at the end kind of suggested there's still ghosts in there. I wonder if a twist will be that Walter Peck is a super pro-Ghostbusters advocate in this, helping them out.

TheCanadiandrome

07-04-2023, 08:28 PM

Right? There's not even really anything out there for us to speculate on. Presumably Winston reopens the New York Ghostbusters HQ and... what?

Considering the last movie incorporated aspects of the original Ghostbusters, why not have something to incorporate GB2? Vigo comes back some how

Sumac

07-04-2023, 11:52 PM

Vigo comes back some how
"Somehow Palpatine returned..."

How about no, please? Afterlife was dickriding nostalgia, which was kind of a late realization of hopes for the Ghostbusters 3 with OG crew and a failure of Fembusters, but I feel like at this point they can move into a "new direction", which means new team hunts ghosts, while being overseen by OG Busters. Their presence in the movie should be enough fanservice as it is.

Basically something like Extreme Ghostbusters, but without 90s EXTREME gunk.

Andrew NDB

07-05-2023, 11:43 PM

Uh oh... Ernie Hudson is saying the direction of the new movie is not what he'd have gone with.

https://www.cbr.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-2-winston-role-ernie-hudson/

Sumac

07-06-2023, 01:36 AM

Another "smart" deconstruction, I assume?
Come the **** on! Its like every janny in Hollywood suddenly decided they have a talent of Lynch or Kubrik to **** out deconstructions right and left.

Andrew NDB

07-06-2023, 01:58 AM

Another "smart" deconstruction, I assume?

I suspect something like that. Like, Hudson was overjoyed and glowing about the Afterlife experience. But after 2016, later on he was saying the same thing, "It wouldn't be what I would've done," politely. Now he's saying it again. Which isn't to say he's a great arbiter of Ghostbusters greatness or anything. But it's definitely a little bit of cause for concern, particularly given the cast. And that Reitman didn't want to direct it, in the vacuum producer-wise with his dad gone to maybe insulate things a little.

Wildcat

07-06-2023, 03:45 AM

This is being discussed on GBfans boards. I speculated it could be that Winston plans to open up franchises with other teams in other locations. He does say new stories and Kumail Nanjiani said before it feels new and the world is bigger.

I would love other teams in other places. There’s so many settings you can have hauntings and supernatural events. It’d be really cool. It would give us new movies while the Prime team/cast do other things between doing GB.

Anyway it’s pure speculation. Whatever it is he doesn’t really like it I guess.

Sumac

07-06-2023, 08:02 AM

If anything having more GB teams is not harmful. It can be very interesting, if handled right.

TheCanadiandrome

07-10-2023, 09:03 PM

Uh oh... Ernie Hudson is saying the direction of the new movie is not what he'd have gone with.

https://www.cbr.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-2-winston-role-ernie-hudson/

"Somehow Palpatine returned..."

How about no, please? Afterlife was dickriding nostalgia, which was kind of a late realization of hopes for the Ghostbusters 3 with OG crew and a failure of Fembusters, but I feel like at this point they can move into a "new direction", which means new team hunts ghosts, while being overseen by OG Busters. Their presence in the movie should be enough fanservice as it is.

Basically something like Extreme Ghostbusters, but without 90s EXTREME gunk.

Ah ye Extreme Ghostbusters, I can dig it

Autbot_Benz

07-28-2023, 05:53 PM

The Strike has caused it to be delayed

One of the other major films that they decided to delay just so happens to be their upcoming, untitled Ghostbusters: Afterlife sequel. The Ghostbusters: Afterlife sequel is moving from December 20, 2023, to March 29, 2024.

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-delayed-2024/

Andrew NDB

07-28-2023, 05:55 PM

I think it was going to get delayed regardless. They haven't really even announced it at all, or know what it's even called.

TheCanadiandrome

07-28-2023, 05:55 PM

Will the maddess ever end

Wildcat

07-28-2023, 07:50 PM

Ya I think Dan and Ernie both mentioned it could be moved to next year even before the strike. I think it was gonna move either way.

I’m disappointed but it’ll benefit the movie. Better to not rush anything. I just wish they’d reveal the storyline. Imo the strike should not prohibit that. It’s basic info and they’re done filming.

Andrew NDB

09-22-2023, 03:35 AM

Sumac

09-22-2023, 03:46 AM

Leslie Jones is still angry.
Damn, being so salty after so many years...and all because of a ****** movie.
Pathetic...

IMJ

09-22-2023, 10:44 AM

Leslie Jones is still angry.

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/leslie-jones-slams-ghostbusters-afterlife-director-comments-2016-reboot-book/

Mostly based on anon users on stuff like Instagram sent her bad messages, I guess. If 1 internet psycho types a message to you from the billions in the world... I guess that needs to be weighed and considered and correlated against anything the director of the new thing says.

The biggest issue on the internet is propagating this stuff for the "rolling outrage". I'm all for informed-opinions, especially when they shine a light on the nuance of awful-human-behavior - but honestly sometimes I wish as a whole that people would stop giving a forum to some of this stuff.

TheCanadiandrome

09-22-2023, 02:47 PM

I’d feel sorry for her but it’s just not in me to care lol

Sumac

09-22-2023, 03:59 PM

I’d feel sorry for her but it’s just not in me to care lol
I feel sorry, if she received some harassment, which might have been a case. But beating a dead horse after all of this years? Its like she wants to be harassed again by the trolls or something.

Well, I guess, if you are that desperate for attention...

Andrew NDB

09-22-2023, 04:02 PM

I feel sorry, if she received some harassment, which might have been a case.

I don't feel bad at all. She's just talking about mean posts about her on social media, she doesn't deserve one iota of pity. Suddenly turning people making mean posts on the internet -- which is something that's existed since the birth of the internet -- into some kind of social currency (victimhood points) should be laughed off the stage or at least not so much as even humored.

Sumac

09-22-2023, 06:03 PM

I don't feel bad at all. She's just talking about mean posts about her on social media, she doesn't deserve one iota of pity. Suddenly turning people making mean posts on the internet -- which is something that's existed since the birth of the internet -- into some kind of social currency (victimhood points) should be laughed off the stage or at least not so much as even humored.
Under normal circumstances I'd agree, but if it we are talking about massive campaign, where hundreds of people constantly harass you on Internet, it is unpleasant, to say the least.

On the other hand, in the modern day the are a lot of people who want to claim they were harassed, just to get pity points.

TheCanadiandrome

09-22-2023, 11:40 PM

I feel sorry, if she received some harassment, which might have been a case. But beating a dead horse after all of this years? Its like she wants to be harassed again by the trolls or something.

Well, I guess, if you are that desperate for attention...

That’s my point, yes it’s a shame about the online harassment, but get the f**k over it already

IMJ

09-23-2023, 10:58 AM

Coola Yagami

09-23-2023, 11:16 AM

I don't like the "harassment" either. But the Power Rangers generation re-wrote what harassment is and now it's been weaponized to the point of insanity. "They criticized my movie and my feelings were shaken (oh, excuse me I mean 'shook') and ergo, I was 'harassed".

That is what these people do, and they had that nonsense amidst maybe the couple truly harassing things that people might do. Basically any action that does not praise the Power Rangers generation rattles them so badly that they can't cope - although that generation will deny that completely. And it's a tremendous cross-section of that generation and younger who are like this.

Plus, they also magnify it. One person (as in literally ONE person) can something as simple as 'your movie sucked and you suck' and they turn around and turn into 'countless people wishing dead upon me'.

Like I do feel sympathy for people getting harassed on the internet. Unless the person committed an actual crime (and not just being a dick or in this case being in ****** movies) they don't deserve it. But people pretending they're 'harassed' and using it for attention and victim points, no sympathy. It sucks because it's hard to tell the difference.

IMJ

09-23-2023, 12:12 PM

Plus, they also magnify it. One person (as in literally ONE person) can something as simple as 'your movie sucked and you suck' and they turn around and turn into 'countless people wishing dead upon me'.

Like I do feel sympathy for people getting harassed on the internet. Unless the person committed an actual crime (and not just being a dick or in this case being in ****** movies) they don't deserve it. But people pretending they're 'harassed' and using it for attention and victim points, no sympathy. It sucks because it's hard to tell the difference.

Exactly this. To both points. The only thing I question is the number of times the weaponized-offended basically just lie as opposed to actually believing their own bull$#!(. Both instances are pathetic, but you know.... what's the truth of the behavior?

Andrew NDB

10-21-2023, 04:52 AM

I guess slime blowers are back?

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/10/20/ghostbusters-iis-slime-blower-spotted-on-set-of-the-upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel/

IMJ

10-21-2023, 04:38 PM

I guess slime blowers are back?

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/10/20/ghostbusters-iis-slime-blower-spotted-on-set-of-the-upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel/

I really enjoyed Afterlife, but the best part of the movie was clearly the last 10 minutes of it. :lol:

I'd really like the new one to be about the old guys with the young guys in tow. But you know it's going to be about the young guys with appearances by the old guys.

I mean it's fine... I'm going to support this one provided nothing jumps the shark between now and it's release date. I'm just sayin'....

Wildcat

10-21-2023, 06:17 PM

IMJ

10-21-2023, 06:30 PM

It’s already been said Winston and Ray have more significant roles in this one.

Ernie Hudson talked about making sure he had an important role to justify appearing because he really wanted to be involved and they rebuilt the exterior of Ray’s Occult bookstore.

Who knows about Peter. He’s in it but Bill Murray would be the most likely to do a cameo imo. I think the leads are definitely the Spengler family, Mr. Grooberson and the new additions. They’re not all going to be GB though.

I already thought the Slime Blowers would appear in someway but it’s cool to see it confirmed. They probably won’t factor into the storyline other than the kids trying them out or something but that’s fine.

Yeah I saw all of that. But like I said, a movie "about" them. Different than "prominent roles".

But again, to avoid any additional misunderstanding, it's just wish fulfillment thinking. The first one was a nice surprise in a time while the rest of pop culture was busy virtue-signaling. I'm on good faith for the sequel even with the movie focus about the kids.

Andrew NDB

10-21-2023, 06:43 PM

Wildcat

10-21-2023, 06:51 PM

Yeah I saw all of that. But like I said, a movie "about" them. Different than "prominent roles".

But again, to avoid any additional misunderstanding, it's just wish fulfillment thinking. The first one was a nice surprise in a time while the rest of pop culture was busy virtue-signaling. I'm on good faith for the sequel even with the movie focus about the kids.

Oh. Well a movie with Winston and Ray and/or Peter as the leads would not work imo. They’re much older. It could have back in the 2000s with Harold Ramis but now it’d just be out of place to have them be the focus over the new members.

Mentoring, funding the business and helping out the team is the best way to include them. Maybe have them suit up if they absolutely need to or assist in a fight somehow like they did in Afterlife.

What's concerning about that is... Hudson has a BIGGER part than Afterlife, but it's THIS movie he's saying, "It wouldn't be what I would do." Even if he's in it a lot.Ya he might have preferred another direction but his character is still a major part of it at least.

Well, they're throwing his name around in cast lists and everyone is saying how great it was to work with each other again, so it's got to be at least "significant."Maybe but who knows with Bill Murray.

Andrew NDB

10-21-2023, 06:54 PM

Like in the Spirits Within game, I figure Winston's there as like the corporate CEO. The "face" of the operation, the guy running the show. Ray is there working on the tech, helping with day to day operations. Venkman, kind of a consultant?

IMJ

10-22-2023, 12:18 PM

What's concerning about that is... Hudson has a BIGGER part than Afterlife, but it's THIS movie he's saying, "It wouldn't be what I would do." Even if he's in it a lot.

I get the feeling that he is sort of the "Charlie" to the Ghostbusters "angels" at this point - the financier and so on.

Which is cool - we need a "business suit Winston" toy... :lol:

TheCanadiandrome

10-22-2023, 09:23 PM

I guess slime blowers are back?

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2023/10/20/ghostbusters-iis-slime-blower-spotted-on-set-of-the-upcoming-ghostbusters-sequel/

It would be cool to see the kids go through the Firehouse finding all the old equipment and trying it out

Andrew NDB

10-31-2023, 09:34 PM

Apparently it is titled "Frozen Empire" and the trailer will be dropping anytime now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ghostbusters/comments/17iej8b/ghostbusters_afterlife_sequel_titled_ghostbusters/

Sumac

10-31-2023, 10:29 PM

Apparently it is titled "Frozen Empire" and the trailer will be dropping anytime now.
Frozen Empire?
That something very Indiana Jones'y, not what I expect Ghostbusters movie to be called like.

Andrew NDB

10-31-2023, 10:51 PM

At least it won't just be Viggo again. A frozen empire, though? I'm assuming a ghost "boss" with minions that deals in freezing things but... eh?

oldmanwinters

10-31-2023, 11:04 PM

Maybe a economic/business theme.. “frozen assets.”

Andrew NDB

10-31-2023, 11:15 PM

Maybe a economic/business theme.. “frozen assets.”

Maybe. Though the logo of the movie literally has ice blown over it.

Wildcat

11-01-2023, 02:29 AM

So I’m guessing the strike is about to end because trailers are being released for new movies.

Title is fine if it’s true. If the villain is an ice being with ice minions...Stay Puft-like Snowman? It’d be too similar though. A cute monster that’s all white.

ZariusTwo

11-07-2023, 10:45 AM

Trailer tomorrow

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1721927239040647293

TheCanadiandrome

11-07-2023, 01:46 PM

Frozen Empire?
That something very Indiana Jones'y, not what I expect Ghostbusters movie to be called like.

Sounds like a title episode from the old cartoon

Andrew NDB

11-07-2023, 02:14 PM

So I’m guessing the strike is about to end because trailers are being released for new movies.

That doesn't mean anything.

Wildcat

11-07-2023, 03:55 PM

That doesn't mean anything.

Ya I don’t know. I thought anything with actors was not allowed but apparently it’s ok.

KROW

11-07-2023, 10:51 PM

Might be an entity attempting to blot out the sun, not necessarily something with ice powers.

Autbot_Benz

11-08-2023, 10:05 AM

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ZariusTwo

11-08-2023, 10:28 AM

I find it interesting how quiet coverage of this movie has been, even before all the strikes.

IMJ

11-08-2023, 11:37 AM

Wow! Awesome!

Wildcat

11-08-2023, 11:42 AM

Looks fantastic. People saying it comes off like an episode of the cartoon. The equipment definitely looks inspired by the RGB designs which is cool.

They’re not criticizing it...yet. I know 2 specific users on other boards who just hate on Afterlife.

They’ve been quiet to build up hype. It worked too because not knowing anything was so frustrating. Trailer should have come out on Halloween.

Zulithe

11-08-2023, 12:57 PM

Content with the trailer. Last one was pretty good, have some problems with it but it's whatever. This one looks a little more on track. I'll probably go see it.

TheCanadiandrome

11-08-2023, 02:55 PM

Ok that trailer is sick! I can’t wait

Andrew NDB

11-08-2023, 03:16 PM

Interesting that mass numbers of people seem to be being murdered by the ghost threat here. That's new. In 1 and 2 they just seemed like a nuisance to people..

IMJ

11-08-2023, 04:08 PM

Interesting that mass numbers of people seem to be being murdered by the ghost threat here. That's new. In 1 and 2 they just seemed like a nuisance to people..

Maybe everyone will magically "thaw out" at the end and be okay. That seems more like a Ghostbusters trope than "icy death".

Andrew NDB

11-08-2023, 04:18 PM

Maybe everyone will magically "thaw out" at the end and be okay. That seems more like a Ghostbusters trope than "icy death".

No way whole swaths of people don't get spiked/impaled by all those spikes, right off the bat.

Wildcat

11-08-2023, 04:22 PM

Probably off camera. No way they’d show people getting killed by spikes. Maybe shattered into ice like with Sub-Zero from MK. That one part of the guy frozen in place looks like flashback.

Andrew NDB

11-08-2023, 05:44 PM

Probably off camera. No way they’d show people getting killed by spikes.

Of course. And bloodlessly, of course.

That one part of the guy frozen in place looks like flashback.

The series' first flashback? idk. But the guy on the left in the same shot looks like some kind of cowboy or something.

I notice we still only have the names of some of the new characters, but not others. There is still a chance that, for example, James Acaster's character could be Oscar. His age is perfect.

IMJ

11-09-2023, 10:08 AM

They have to have Oscar in it.....

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2023, 07:27 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Q3ats4i.png

Andrew NDB

11-09-2023, 07:40 PM

Maybe that is kind of where Ernie Hudson's "it isn't what I would have done" is coming from. An extended episode of TRGB? I loved the cartoon as a kid and perhaps an idea or two could be harvested, but... hmf, not as the overall vision.

I think the general idea is to use this movie to bring back the Ghostbusters in the public eye in a big way. Afterlife was just an isolated incident so as far as the public is aware, the 80s were the last time there was any ghost stuff. From here they can grow things, now with big money when they save the day.

They have to have Oscar in it.....

I'm holding out hope for a movie subplot between adult Oscar and Venkman.

Wildcat

11-09-2023, 09:41 PM

The cartoon inspiration could be what he was talking about. I don’t see the problem though. I mean what exactly makes one storyline more cartoonish than the other? There’s already been cute marshmallows and pink mood slime as major elements.

The new trailer definitely seems inspired by the cartoon but how does that lessen the legitimacy of being a Ghostbusters movie?

Wasn’t he upset he was not chosen to voice Winston in the cartoon even though he wanted to? I thought he might be talking about whatever the secret lab stuff is about.

The Deadman

11-09-2023, 09:50 PM

I just hope the villain isnt Gozer again...

Andrew NDB

11-09-2023, 10:35 PM

Wasn’t he upset he was not chosen to voice Winston in the cartoon even though he wanted to?

Wouldn't you be? It's one thing if the actor doesn't want to do it. It's another if they do.

KROW

11-09-2023, 11:11 PM

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Looks good. Afterlife was fairly decent and this one ups the ante by going back to the city. Looking forward to it.

Wildcat

11-09-2023, 11:24 PM

Wouldn't you be? It's one thing if the actor doesn't want to do it. It's another if they do.Ya I meant he wanted to do the cartoon so I doubt this would be what he was talking about...not going in that direction.

ZariusTwo

11-10-2023, 02:00 AM

The early years of the cartoon was always better than the movies. I see nothing wrong with imitating it. Just imitate it well.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2023, 01:44 PM

Ya I meant he wanted to do the cartoon so I doubt this would be what he was talking about...not going in that direction.

Oh, I get what you mean now. TRGB being like a sore spot for Hudson, making GB4 like TRGB wouldn't be "the way he'd go."

Wildcat

11-10-2023, 04:11 PM

Oh, I get what you mean now. TRGB being like a sore spot for Hudson, making GB4 like TRGB wouldn't be "the way he'd go."

Uh no. I think his comments are about something else. Like I said maybe this...“help the original Ghostbusters, who've developed a top-secret research lab to take busting ghosts to the next level!”...or whatever Kumail was talking about how it makes the world bigger.

I could be wrong. Maybe he thinks taking inspiration from the cartoon is not a good idea in general but I don’t think he has some grudge against it.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2023, 04:22 PM

Uh no. I think his comments are about something else.

I think so as well. Moreso in terms of the overall plot and direction.

TheCanadiandrome

11-12-2023, 02:20 PM

They have to have Oscar in it.....

Would the twins who played him be on board to play Oscar again? Would kinda be lame to recast imo

I just hope the villain isnt Gozer again...

Nah it’s not, because…..

“You know who this is? It’s Vigo, you are like the buzzing of flies to him!” :lol:

Andrew NDB

11-12-2023, 07:17 PM

Would the twins who played him be on board to play Oscar again? Would kinda be lame to recast

Lame to recast some twin babies from 30 years ago who probably aren't even actors?

I'm thinking it's James Acaster. Guy's done stand up comedy and could pass as someone that grew up in a house being raised by Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver.

TheCanadiandrome

11-12-2023, 07:19 PM

Lame to recast some twin babies from 30 years ago who probably aren't even actors?

I'm thinking it's James Acaster. Guy's done stand up comedy and could pass as someone that grew up in a house being raised by Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver.
What can I say I like continuity lol. Although I thought I’ve read somewhere that they both make occasional appearances related to Ghostbusters so there’s hope

Ok well nvm, as one twin sadly passed 6 years ago and I didn’t even know :cry::(

https://www.nme.com/news/ghosbusters-ii-actor-henry-deutschendorf-has-died-2091470

Andrew NDB

12-20-2023, 03:01 PM

"We're now in the post-Gozerian era." Which seems a silly thing to say. We'd already been in the post-Gozerian era in Ghostbusters 2. It wasn't until 30 years later, with Afterlife, that they put us BACK into the Gozerian era.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/ghostbusters-frozen-empire-new-big-bad-post-gozerian-era-exclusive/?fbclid=IwAR3zcrAyXqKoSF6XPPuhe7D450VqqKQn-7KsgGEEK-wIu-dZreVM_65Z0SA

Also, a new still of Murray with Rudd.

Wildcat

12-20-2023, 04:56 PM

There’s also new posters that shows the villains partner/monster.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C1CjRJtuDO8/

Anyway this blew my mind when I found it a few days ago. I really want to see it now. It’s based off a series of children’s books that first came out in 1993. So right after the cartoon ended but this movie released in 2016...coincidence? I don’t think so. EDIT: 2015 but still.

There’s 4 books in the series with the last in 2001. Clearly they were made over the popularity of GB. Not that anything ghost related is copying GB but it’s obvious. On the other the hand now I can’t unseen this when I see anything from Frozen Empire :lol:

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TheCanadiandrome

12-21-2023, 09:12 PM

so...it's like a giant ice snake? looks like something outta God of War

ZariusTwo

01-10-2024, 07:49 AM

IMJ

01-10-2024, 02:13 PM

Late 90s sequel to The Real Ghostbusters, Extreme Ghostbusters is getting a complete series release on March 19th

https://ghostbustersnews.com/2024/01/09/extreme-ghostbusters-set-to-receive-a-complete-series-dvd-set/

I saw that too. I have no interest in that show, but I'm always happy when the more obscure stuff gets releases.

Andrew NDB

01-12-2024, 12:58 PM

Whoa.

https://i.ibb.co/Qf856vw/418767918-10105446513724882-2876842471145498155-n.jpg

Sumac

01-12-2024, 01:13 PM

Suddenly.
Guys look old, but Winston still looks cool.
I know they are not main characters, but one can dream.

Wildcat

01-12-2024, 04:07 PM

I hope Janine gets a toy. The ones recently revealed are only the Spenglers and Mr. Grooberson. Everyone except him and Callie got one for Afterlife. I guess because they didn’t actually suit up in the movie.

I never got around to getting any of the Afterlife figures so I really want some of the FE ones.

Andrew NDB

01-15-2024, 11:29 PM

https://i.ibb.co/qRWF3YM/FB-IMG-1705382787358.jpg

TigerClaw

01-29-2024, 09:16 AM

New trailer released.

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Autbot_Benz

01-29-2024, 09:58 AM

This movie looks fantastic

Looks like Walter Peck is a DA a Judge or Mayor of NYC

frank_one

01-29-2024, 12:31 PM

This can easily become a long series, with a new movie every 3 or 4 years, even when the original cast will be gone.

Andrew NDB

01-29-2024, 07:09 PM

Is it weird that it appears to have almost everything I want and yet... I just feel kind of "meh" having watched that?

TigerClaw

01-29-2024, 07:22 PM

Here's the international trailer, Its very different from the US trailer since it shows a lot of new footage.

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ZariusTwo

01-30-2024, 03:39 AM

Is it weird that it appears to have almost everything I want and yet... I just feel kind of "meh" having watched that?

I blame the direction, everything feels very...staged.

Andrew NDB

01-30-2024, 03:49 AM

I blame the direction, everything feels very...staged.

I've thought about it a lot today. Because this is making me crazy. I think while I enjoyed Afterlife I didn't think for a moment the next movie would be a full-on kid busters thing. But it seems to be. Like... even the mom? What? There is nothing in Afterlife that made me think she'd be keen throwing on a proton pack. And them going super corporate and still having pre-adults do crazy stuff... idk... I think this is stupid territory for this franchise. I'm certainly open to this but these trailers are weirding me out. At best I figured everyone in Afterlife would just be privy to the "real" Ghostbusters setting up shop.

Sumac

01-30-2024, 04:51 AM

People wanted Real Ghostbusters, and since Afterlife had proven to be a feasible concept, studios gonna milk them, since Murray is on board for once.

I am personally ambivalent to it: if its good - amazing. If its not good - expected and not much of a skin from my back.

Afterlife was not anywhere near interesting as the first or even the second one, so I want to see what a full throttle sequel to it can do.

I hope, it won't be as horrible and retarded as Jurassic Worlds or Terminators-past Salvation.

Wildcat

01-30-2024, 12:04 PM

Staged? They literally built a firehouse and like half a street for the bookstore.

Callie (the mom) becoming a ghostbuster makes sense once she found out Egon didn’t really abandon her. She still might be hesitant. Gary (Rudd) seems to be convincing her in that scene when he says busting makes me feel good.

Kid-busters? They’re older but still minors of course but they’re under Winston and Ray’s supervision. Plus that’s part of the whole GB thing. It’s a dangerous unique job that can’t really compare to other businesses.

Phoebe was going to be a GB. She played the perfect granddaughter to Egon. Trevor is believable too. He didn’t seem to care and just wanted to go out with Lucky at first but once he saw it was all real he got into it.

The trailers looked amazing. Cartoon influenced or not a bigger and expanded follow up is exactly what it should be.

TigerClaw

01-30-2024, 12:29 PM

I read an interview on how this new one was inspired by The Real Ghostbusters cartoon, and you can see that influence in the new trailer.

Sumac

01-30-2024, 05:30 PM

I read an interview on how this new one was inspired by The Real Ghostbusters cartoon, and you can see that influence in the new trailer.
Depending on which season they are using as an inspiration it can be either a win or trash.

TigerClaw

01-30-2024, 06:13 PM

Depending on which season they've use as inspiration it can be either a win or trash.
Its this article from Empire Magazine.
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/ghostbusters-frozen-empire-inspired-by-the-real-ghostbusters-exclusive/

CyberCubed

01-30-2024, 10:34 PM

Bill Murray has looked like a zombie for the last 25+ years.

Andrew NDB

01-30-2024, 11:06 PM

Bill Murray has looked like a zombie for the last 25+ years.

He looks fine -- or at least significantly better -- when he bothers to color his hair. I know it is 20 years old at this point, but he physically looks about the same now as he did in Lost in Translation, it's just the wispy, white old man hair that gives him a elderly hobo look in everything since.

ZariusTwo

01-31-2024, 06:37 AM

Staged? They literally built a firehouse and like half a street for the bookstore

I didn't mean 'staged' in regards to production, it just feels like the directing is all staged, actors are just saying lines, not delivering them with any ounce of passion or real spark.

Wildcat

01-31-2024, 11:30 AM

I didn't mean 'staged' in regards to production, it just feels like the directing is all staged, actors are just saying lines, not delivering them with any ounce of passion or real spark.Oh you mean the acting. I don’t agree. It’s the same cast and a few additional people who are also credible actors. The international trailer is definitely better than the US trailer though.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2024, 05:31 PM

It’s the same cast and a few additional people who are also credible actors.

Kumail Nanjiani? Horrible. Patton Oswalt? I feel like he overstayed his "geek card" layover like 5 years ago.

Wildcat

01-31-2024, 09:02 PM

Kumail Nanjiani? Horrible. Patton Oswalt? I feel like he overstayed his "geek card" layover like 5 years ago.I’ve only seen Kumail in a couple things. His acting is fine. Saw him on SNL. I thought he was funny. Don’t know why you don’t like him.

I mostly just know Patton from King of Queens which he was good in. I doubt he has a significant role in this though. Seems like just the library scenes as a historian or something. Kumail looks to have a bigger part but not as a GB.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2024, 10:44 PM

I’ve only seen Kumail in a couple things. His acting is fine. Saw him on SNL. I thought he was funny. Don’t know why you don’t like him.

I think I've only seen him in Eternals but that was enough. He's super annoying. Maybe it's his little mannerisms and quirks, like he just chews the scenery acting like he's so amazing and humorous.

ZariusTwo

02-01-2024, 04:04 AM

Oh you mean the acting. I don’t agree. It’s the same cast and a few additional people who are also credible actors.

That's just it though, you need actors to bring their a-game, and I just don't think they're giving their all, and that comes down to a lack of encouragement from the direction.

Powder

02-01-2024, 05:29 AM

Don’t know why you don’t like him.

I have literally never seen you be critical of anything ever. You seem to just accept everything blindly without a second thought.

Wildcat

02-01-2024, 02:24 PM

I have literally never seen you be critical of anything ever. You seem to just accept everything blindly without a second thought.I’m critical of things. Might not seem like it on here but I’m just NOT AS critical of things as others. It depends. I definitely do not like everything.

I didn’t mean Kumail or Patton were some of my favorite actors just that they were credible cast members.

Andrew NDB

02-01-2024, 02:27 PM

I'm genuinely curious. Has Patton Oswalt ever played any part that isn't him just playing, well, Patton Oswalt, essentially? Because I've seen him popping up in this show and that show and it's always virtually the exact same part played exactly the same way.

Wildcat

02-01-2024, 02:44 PM

I just know him as Spence.

People say that about a lot of actors though. I’d have to see him in some other stuff.

IMJ

02-01-2024, 07:30 PM

TheCanadiandrome

02-02-2024, 02:48 PM

Jeff

02-04-2024, 01:53 PM

i would think not lol

He was in a movie called Big Fan about an obsessed football fan that was the most far pulled from the "Patton Oswalt persona" of any live-action role I've seen him play. Decent movie from what I remember.

TheCanadiandrome

02-10-2024, 04:06 PM

He was in a movie called Big Fan about an obsessed football fan that was the most far pulled from the "Patton Oswalt persona" of any live-action role I've seen him play. Decent movie from what I remember.
oh well then there's hope for him lol

IMJ

02-10-2024, 04:08 PM

oh well then there's hope for him lol

I remember when they were running ads saying "Patton Oswald JOINS! Agents.... of.... S.H.I.E.L.D.!" and thinking in reply... ummmm so? Probably sounds like we hate the guy or something but it's not that. Rather it's like... he's just a supporting actor.

TheCanadiandrome

02-10-2024, 04:12 PM

I remember when they were running ads saying "Patton Oswald JOINS! Agents.... of.... S.H.I.E.L.D.!" and thinking in reply... ummmm so? Probably sounds like we hate the guy or something but it's not that. Rather it's like... he's just a supporting actor.
playing the same kind of character, for the most part, every single time, but ye we seem to love ourselves some Patton Oswald

Andrew NDB

03-11-2024, 01:53 PM

Yeah, still... I'm seeing these TV spots and final trailers and all and I can't just help feeling numb about this movie. I really hope this is going to wow.

ZariusTwo

03-20-2024, 09:04 AM

44% on RT so far

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_frozen_empire

Andrew NDB

03-20-2024, 11:13 AM

I think it might be because there's no real "hook" in this? With the Afterlife trailers you could look at those and understand there is like a deep emotional undercurrent with the Spengler family and "reconnection." This? Just looks like... busting? No real emotional hook to be seen? I mean, is it going to turn out that one guy is Oscar, and part of the movie will be Venkman rekindling his relationship with his stepkid? <--- that'd be something, you know.

Also, I notice James Acaster's character now has a name on IMDB. "Lars Pinfield." So barring some subterfuge there goes that Oscar theory.

Coola Yagami

03-20-2024, 11:19 AM

I think it might be because there's no real "hook" in this?

I mean the original hook here was 'The Ghostbusters are back, but done right this time and actually being a sequel to the older movies' as well as 'the old cast is back'. Afterlife already accomplished that. A sequel to that was never really needed to be honest. I get they're trying to start a whole new franchise out of this, but geez, not everything needs to be. This should have just been a fun nostalgia reunion and leave it at that, especially with how old the cast is now.

CyberCubed

03-20-2024, 11:33 AM

Yeah Ghostbusters is dead (again). The original actors will all be dead in the next 10 years and they've used up their 80's nostalgia on the last one. I honestly don't know why they keep bringing this franchise back, most people old enough to see the originals in theaters are like 45-50+ year olds now and even my generation was too young for it and I'm in my late 30's.

I can't imagine the young 20 year olds of today giving a damn about Ghostbusters at all.

Andrew NDB

03-20-2024, 11:52 AM

I can't imagine the young 20 year olds of today giving a damn about Ghostbusters at all.

Sadly, no. Not without being given good reason to.

I mean the original hook here was 'The Ghostbusters are back, but done right this time and actually being a sequel to the older movies' as well as 'the old cast is back'. Afterlife already accomplished that. A sequel to that was never really needed to be honest.

Afterlife was many things, a lot of them really good, but one thing it didn't do great was setup any sequels. Like, sure we could build movies around these kids going forward and, you know, just come up with new threats... but is that really what people want to see? I wouldn't think so, really. The older movies weren't about kids, why are we doing that now? I always figured they'd just introduce a new generation of Ghostbusters that are largely modern day comedians. And then this new one seems to be including a couple modern day comedians with the kids... so it's sort of looking all over the map?

ZariusTwo

03-21-2024, 12:54 AM

Andrew NDB

03-21-2024, 01:00 AM

Frozen Empire also differs greatly from what the original, more layered plan was for the franchise post-Afterlife involving international teams and whatnot. Could have been the studio realized this would cost them too much money

I don't know if international teams would have been a much better approach... but Sony meddling in things wouldn't surprise me at all. Possibly why Jason Reitman stepped away from the director's chair with this one when he professed such passion for it like 5 minutes before that.

ZariusTwo

03-21-2024, 01:11 AM

I don't know if international teams would have been a much better approach...

Depends on how they'd be used, though knowing Sony it'd have been a 'toy parade' and their only purpose would be to set up a spin-off for each one.

And that's just it, there was a time where Sony were full on crazy about multiple spin-offs, then 2016 flopped and then Afterlife only made OK money, so maybe Sony cooled their jets and went with a safer sequel chasing that 'decent' dollar.

Andrew NDB

03-21-2024, 04:14 PM

Oscar's not in it. Not even mentioned, sounds like.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/ghostbusters-frozen-empires-director-talks-163000907.html

io9: Okay, what about Dana’s son Oscar? There was speculation he might appear in one of these movies.

Kenan: We love Oscar. We have an idea of where he is. It’s possible he’ll show up in a future installment, but we don’t have that worked out yet.

Saving him for another sequel they may never get to make. Great call.

lonewarrior20

03-21-2024, 04:39 PM

Just saw a matinee of it and loved it, too bad the swag was too much.

Andrew NDB

03-21-2024, 05:26 PM

too bad the swag was too much.

What do you mean?

lonewarrior20

03-21-2024, 05:32 PM

What do you mean?

they wanted 40 for the ghosttrap popcorn and 20 for the staypuff drink.

IMJ

03-21-2024, 05:39 PM

I wanted to see it tonight but the boss is away at a resort in Cabo and none of my buddies want to go - we are all old and have to "get up early". :lol:

Andrew NDB

03-27-2024, 11:57 AM

It wasn't the painful disaster I was fearing and I wasn't remotely blown away either. Shockingly little was done with the OG Ghostbusters and they mostly just pop in to occasionally remind us how old they are. We really don't get so much as a clue as to where they are at in their personal lives, so of course the movie couldn't care less about things like what Dana or Oscar are up to or anything. Which is sad. Equally stupid is that most of what the new British guy and Patton Oswalt do -- which isn't much, honestly -- could have all been given to the OG Ghostbusters. As it stands, literally the OG Ghostbusters' only contribution to the movie is all firing their proton packs at the same time at the bad guy to absolutely no effect, then at the end they all pull a really stiff lever down together.

Yeah, there's a lesbian ghost melodrama in it alright. Guaranteed, 200% they cut a kissing scene out when Phoebe temporarily made herself into a ghost to "be on the same plane" as the ghost lesbian. Funny how not even 1 trailer even hints at this, yet it's like the "heart" of the whole movie.

The worst thing in the movie was Kumail Ali Nanjiani. Not that his acting was bad or anything (he actually felt like he belonged in a Ghostbusters movie), but what they do with his character in the second half of the movie is silly, it's campy, it's totally unneeded. No, we did not need a magical Pakistani guy who can bend fire with magic in this, remotely. His whole part should have been cut out of the movie.

Wildcat

03-27-2024, 01:43 PM

I saw it Saturday and I enjoyed it but agree with the overall criticism that it’s a bit rushed or unfocused. Afterlife was better put together. No major problems story wise. Some things are kind weird or don’t make a lot of sense but nothing too bad imo.

I too wish we learned more about the original’s lives but I’m happy Dan Aykroyd got a legitimate role because he’s always wanted to do more GB movies.

I really liked Kumail in this. A character that can manipulate fire does seem a little “out there” but if you can buy into all the other supernatural stuff it’s really not a problem.

I thought the humor was great. It really worked for me personally and most of the people in my theater laughed throughout too.

People complaining about nostalgia is just hyperbole. The callbacks are brief and spaced out. Slimer and Mini Pufts don’t count as nostalgia to me. They’re mascots and don’t do much here anyway.

I am disappointed the Mini Pufts basically do the same thing as in Afterlife being mind controlled. I’m glad they’re around but I totally thought they were gonna rundown Garraka with the Ecto-1 to help them out of being cornered. Never would have guessed the car clip was the end credits thing.

Phoebe and Melody were not meant to be lesbians. Sure it crossed my mind in that one scene but that’s actually NOT what they were going for. They even asked McKenna Grace about it an interview and she pretty adamantly disagreed...in a nice way. She said she never considered it romantic and did not want to label it but was happy people connected with them however they did.

There does seem to be quite a bit cut out but Gil Kenan said wants to release deleted scenes.

lonewarrior20

03-27-2024, 02:19 PM

I didn't see it as a romantic relationship either. She just thought she finally got a female friend. They're both lonely and wanting someone to talk to.

Andrew NDB

03-27-2024, 02:28 PM

I didn't see it as a romantic relationship either. She just thought she finally got a female friend.

No, they make it definitely romantic. No one is going to kill themself just to be able to touch a friend that's a ghost. "You're the only one who understands me," and so on.

I am disappointed the Mini Pufts basically do the same thing as in Afterlife being mind controlled. I’m glad they’re around but I totally thought they were gonna rundown Garraka with the Ecto-1 to help them out of being cornered. Never would have guessed the car clip was the end credits thing.

I'd read some rumors that the mini pufts were going to combine into a full-sized Stay Puft and at the end it would be giant Stay Puft vs. Garraka. Idk, it might have been something. *shrug*

Wildcat

03-27-2024, 03:48 PM

No, they make it definitely romantic. No one is going to kill themself just to be able to touch a friend that's a ghost. "You're the only one who understands me," and so on.She did it because of their conversation playing chess and I’m assuming also because she missed Egon. She really stresses she did not consider it romantic. The video is in english.

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I'd read some rumors that the mini pufts were going to combine into a full-sized Stay Puft and at the end it would be giant Stay Puft vs. Garraka. Idk, it might have been something. *shrug* That was the speculation for Afterlife because the toy is exactly that. Besides a full size Stay Puft would be way bigger than Garraka. It’d be no match.

Andrew NDB

03-27-2024, 04:40 PM

She did it because of their conversation playing chess and I’m assuming also because she missed Egon. She really stresses she did not consider it romantic. The video is in english.

She says "It's definitely open to interpretation" and then "absolutely."

Definitely, they were going full steam with a lesbian romance and kiss but realized late into things that would be disastrous.

Wildcat

03-27-2024, 05:17 PM

She says "It's definitely open to interpretation" and then "absolutely."

Definitely, they were going full steam with a lesbian romance and kiss but realized late into things that would be disastrous.I think she comes off very reluctant to agree. Of course she’s gonna say it’s open to interpretation. She can’t just shoot down the entire idea.

She right out says she does not view Phoebe as a romantic person and to her more than anything Melody is someone she connected with. Someone who “saw her”.

It’s amazing how 2 people can see something in completely opposite ways. I don’t believe at all there’s a deleted kiss on video or script.

Andrew NDB

03-28-2024, 09:40 AM

And how about that mid-end credits scene? It was totally nothing.

Wildcat

03-28-2024, 05:30 PM

Ya wasn’t anything special but it’s cute. I was thinking maybe that could be how they combine to form full size Stay Puft again.

Also the “every ghost they’ve ever caught” trailer made it seem like there’d be a montage similar to the first 2 movies. I fully expected to see the Scoleri Brothers. They must be out so they can always show up in another movie.

Still I really liked it. I’m sure it’ll be better on repeat viewings.

Andrew NDB

03-28-2024, 08:07 PM

Yeah, "Maybe you'll see giant Stay Puft in the next movie!" I don't need to see that. It wouldn't even be a challenge anyway since there's like 20 Ghostbusters now.

"The every ghost they ever caught is loose!" trailer was a lie anyway. Only some ghosts escaped and we didn't see any ghosts they'd caught before, except Slimer and Library Ghost (which kind of invalidates the video game?) but they were already free. What I was dreading was some kind of Gozer vs. Garraka fight at the end. Viggo vs. Garraka might have been interesting and, at least, not just been more Gozer. And more exciting than people just pulling a lever.

Wildcat

03-28-2024, 10:32 PM

I prefer the Mini Pufts be friendly now. They were until Garraka’s trance. They wanted to greet Phoebe. They must be independent again. If they do combine they should have him fight another giant villain like in the cartoon.

I think it’s safe to assume Gozer and the terror dogs were kept divided in the multiple traps and/or put in the new units so she can’t reform. Didn’t expect Vigo since he wasn’t captured. He must need a painting or sculpture or something in his image.

Another thing I was thinking...Peter drinking that alcohol hidden in the wall must be 30+ years old in the movie’s world. Disgusting :lol: I highly doubt that was part of the joke. Just that he stashed it there.

Andrew NDB

03-28-2024, 11:20 PM

Disgusting? It was probably a nice scotch that was aging nicely the whole time.

Wildcat

03-28-2024, 11:43 PM

Oh it doesn’t spoil? I wouldn’t know. I only know wine is aged.

Andrew NDB

03-29-2024, 12:04 AM

Oh it doesn’t spoil? I wouldn’t know. I only know wine is aged.

Yeah. You don't want to do that with vodka, though. I had some 20 year old vodka that has sat unchecked in a cupboard once and it was like paint thinner.

Wildcat

03-30-2024, 02:23 AM

Xav

03-30-2024, 03:01 AM

For a movie called Frozen Empire the frozen New York aspect was barely part of the movie.

Andrew NDB

03-30-2024, 02:46 PM

https://movieweb.com/dan-aykroyd-teases-ghostbusters-franchise-future/

I was not aware Gil Kenan actually implied what I said about the Mini Pufts combining...but don’t make him a bad guy. Have him fight a new giant.

Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson should really be the only legacy characters that return on-screen. They make the most sense anyway. Janine and Peter are just not doing enough. They didn’t even mention how the arm-blaster that doesn’t require a full proton pack works.

I'm all about having more Peter but they need to give him something in the movie that doesn't just feel stitched on. It's like they just wrote the movie in such a way that if he signs on great, if not his part can be easily removed, too.

Wildcat

03-30-2024, 04:44 PM

I'm all about having more Peter but they need to give him something in the movie that doesn't just feel stitched on. It's like they just wrote the movie in such a way that if he signs on great, if not his part can be easily removed, too.There’s definitely more scenes with him that got cut. In Afterlife too. Something with Janine visiting him and Dana. Still that was the issue with FE. They needed to show everyone do something so it jumps from thing to thing.

I think it should have focused on Ray, Phoebe and Podcast going on side quests since they weren’t allowed on official calls. They should have been the ones to goto Nadeem’s place and bring him in.

I loved the idea of Phoebe and Podcast going on secret calls too. Give them their own “Sedgwick Hotel” scene before Melody’s Diner.

The 3 of them going to the library was one of the best things imo. Make it about all of them feeling left out. It would have been very endearing and fun to see them bond through out the whole movie.

Andrew NDB

03-31-2024, 01:57 PM

Damn... 68% drop in weekend 2.

Andrew NDB

04-08-2024, 08:30 PM

So far it's only done 88 million domestically and just 50 million internationally on a 100 million dollar budget and a pretty robust marketing budget it seemed like. It's going to lose money for sure.

CyberCubed

04-08-2024, 10:47 PM

Andrew NDB

04-08-2024, 11:59 PM

A franchise that peaked in the 80's isn't going to be relevant to Gen-Z kids in 2024. I'm sure some saw this out of curiosity because "Ant-Man" was in it, over all those "old guys."

Nobody under 30 is going to care about seeing a bunch of 70 year old men.

That didn't have anything to do with it. They're not really front and center in this. They just didn't have a good "hook" here for general audiences. I think they leaned too much into the kids and not enough into a new lineup. And there wasn't enough of connective heart material to the older characters. Just a lot of exposition.

Wildcat

04-09-2024, 02:45 AM

I doubt they spent much on marketing. There was hardly any. Very few tie-in items that I never saw where I live with other stuff that’s only available in other countries and a smaller toy line with half the stuff being theater exclusive.

I’m very upset I haven’t been able to get any of the merchandise. I’ve mentioned I live in a small town and for whatever crazy reason my local Walmart got none of the retail figures. I don’t live near a Target so I’m gonna have to use Amazon.

You had to be lucky enough to catch the more unique theater items online...which I wasn’t. I wanted the Mini Puft plushies the most and people on eBay selling for triple the price are complete jerks who don’t deserve a penny. It’s so sad they’re are in the hands of people who do not even care about GB.

As for the movie itself and it’s box office...I am a surprised it’s doing less than Afterlife but it hasn’t opened everywhere yet and it’s still gonna be in theaters for a little while so we’ll see where it ends up. I know it’s most likely still gonna do less I’m just curious.

I enjoyed everything about it but the pace/editing is the problem. The majority of reviews say the same thing. A lot of fun and interesting stuff going on but nobody gets enough screen time which I completely agree with. Although I am anxious for the home release because I think it’ll be better on repeat viewings.

The Spenglers with Grooberson ARE the new lineup. Waiting 30+ years for a continuation to just replace the new characters after one movie would have been awful. You can’t replace McKenna Grace or Paul Rudd. If they wanna do a separate movie with an expansion team somewhere else that’d be really cool but these have to be the Prime GB.

Andrew NDB

04-09-2024, 10:47 AM

The Spenglers with Grooberson ARE the new lineup. Waiting 30+ years for a continuation to just replace the new characters after one movie would have been awful. You can’t replace McKenna Grace or Paul Rudd. If they wanna do a separate movie with an expansion team somewhere else that’d be really cool but these have to be the Prime GB.

McKenna Grace always needed to be a part of it but I don't think the mom needed to have been along for the ride. All they needed was McKenna Grace, Paul Rudd, and new Ghostbusters that are probably edgy comedians IRL. That's it. No Podcast or Finn Wolfhard or Finn Wolfhard's not-really-girlfriend or any of them.

Wildcat

04-09-2024, 02:02 PM

McKenna Grace always needed to be a part of it but I don't think the mom needed to have been along for the ride. All they needed was McKenna Grace, Paul Rudd, and new Ghostbusters that are probably edgy comedians IRL. That's it. No Podcast or Finn Wolfhard or Finn Wolfhard's not-really-girlfriend or any of them.Podcast was great though. He played the role of supernatural enthusiast and Ray’s partner perfectly. Too bad he didn’t get more to do in FE. By the time another movie is made he’ll be an adult. He should definitely become a GB.

I like Callie and seeing them work as a family. I know she doesn’t seem like she’d be a “Ghostbuster” but you cannot write her out. She could do something else I guess and give the job to Podcast.

Finn Wolfhard gets so much unfair criticism just because of Stranger Things. I feel bad for him. There’s nothing wrong with the Trevor character they just didn’t give him much to do either.

It is very weird they had him and Lucky lose touch and unaware she worked for Winston. I have no idea what they were going for. They should have worked together but then that would have left Grooberson and Callie even more shorthanded being the only 2 taking calls.

oldmanwinters

04-11-2024, 01:00 PM

Well...
https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-frozen-empire-emily-alyn-lind-interview/

Andrew NDB

04-11-2024, 01:20 PM

Well...
https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-frozen-empire-emily-alyn-lind-interview/

Yup, totally platonic. :tlol:

Wildcat

04-11-2024, 08:25 PM

Andrew NDB

04-11-2024, 08:35 PM

Even if they officially made them lesbian it does not matter. This has been the discussion on GBfans the last couple days and only 1 user complained. Nobody else on there had a problem with it if they were.

What if the next movie has her dating a guy?

There won't be one. They fumbled the ball.

Are people gonna say they backtracked? People only care because they wanna complain about woke-ness. Gay characters have been in movies and tv way before the 2010s.

It's mostly annoying in how chickensh** they checked a box without actually checking the box. And most parents probably don't want their kids watching movies where a young girl temporarily commits suicide to be able to touch another young girl who "gets" her.

Coola Yagami

04-11-2024, 10:48 PM

What if the next movie has her dating a guy? Are people gonna say they backtracked?

ehhhhh ironically, it's the LGBT that would be the most upset if they 'backtracked'.

Wildcat

04-11-2024, 11:10 PM

There won't be one. They fumbled the ball.That’s what people thought after the reboot.

The Netflix cartoon is still happening. Gil Kenan said he’s seen early work on it. Maybe they’ll do that first or the animated movie they mentioned.

It's mostly annoying in how chickensh** they checked a box without actually checking the box. And most parents probably don't want their kids watching movies where a young girl temporarily commits suicide to be able to touch another young girl who "gets" her.That’s an exaggeration since never confirm their relationship is romantic. Just that both characters were dealing with being left behind and sympathized with each other.

The other point of Melody was to introduce the idea of a ghost that needs help and you’d feel bad for trapping.

Andrew NDB

04-11-2024, 11:31 PM

That’s what people thought after the reboot.

And they were right. About the fumbling. And there were no sequels to that universe, and for good reason. About the only thing we can hope for now is another actual total reboot in 10 years. Maybe, mayyybe another quality video game like the 2009 one. But right now they're just sh**ting out pretty horrible ones.

The Netflix cartoon is still happening. Gil Kenan said he’s seen early work on it. Maybe they’ll do that first or the animated movie they mentioned.

Maybe. Probably something like that. But that's for a more targeted audience.

That’s an exaggeration since never confirm their relationship is romantic. Just that both characters were dealing with being left behind and sympathized with each other.

They knew exactly what they were doing. Show a thing juuuust enough that they can still say, "but it's not that! But it's cool if you want it to be." Like Hamill going around saying it's cool if Luke is gay to you, and then Kathleen Kennedy doing a whole sequel trilogy that doesn't so much as debunk that even a little bit so as to not take that possibility away from people. Even if it means the hero of the OT never married and has no kids.

KROW

04-12-2024, 12:21 AM

Unless the ghost goes down on her (dream or not), I wouldn't be assuming anything.

Wildcat

04-12-2024, 02:32 AM

And they were right. About the fumbling. And there were no sequels to that universe, and for good reason. About the only thing we can hope for now is another actual total reboot in 10 years. Maybe, mayyybe another quality video game like the 2009 one. But right now they're just sh**ting out pretty horrible ones.

Maybe. Probably something like that. But that's for a more targeted audience.Highly doubt it’ll be 10 years and it definitely will NOT be another reboot. They’re not going through anything like that again.

Frozen Empire is not even a failure. It’s underperforming Afterlife but it’s not out of theaters yet. I just noticed Mutant Mayhem never hit $200 million and it’s getting a tv series and confirmed sequel. I know it sold a lot of toys but still.

They knew exactly what they were doing. Show a thing juuuust enough that they can still say, "but it's not that! But it's cool if you want it to be." Like Hamill going around saying it's cool if Luke is gay to you, and then Kathleen Kennedy doing a whole sequel trilogy that doesn't so much as debunk that even a little bit so as to not take that possibility away from people.But it’s not even significantly implied. It really is the audience taking it this way...including myself for a moment until it went nowhere.

Like before the soul extraction scene did you really think they might be gay? Without that scene do any of their scenes together come off as romantic?

oldmanwinters

04-16-2024, 06:47 PM

Finally saw it today and-while I didn’t hate it-I found it one of those unfortunate movies where I kept checking the time to see how much longer it would last. Felt like it took forever to realize the whole “frozen empire” event. Turns out most of the material teased in the trailers didn’t show up until the last 30 or 40 minutes of the 2-hour runtime. Everything else felt like bloated, uninteresting and unfunny setup work that never really paid off for me. Ultimately, it just came down to getting the 12 or 13 notable characters into one place to battle the big baddie that nobody else witnessed, yet still ended up being enough to have half the city converge on the firehouse and celebrate the GBs like it was 1984.

From my point of view, the good guys actually were the direct cause of everything bad that happened, either directly or through negligence or even sheer stupidity. Also, I realized when credits rolled that Phoebe Spengler was the only character introduced in the prior film whose name I remembered even after two movies. Everybody else is either known by virtue of being played by a famous actor (the Paul Rudd character or the Patton Oswalt character) by being relative to Phoebe: Phoebe‘ mom, Phoebe‘s brother, Phoebe‘s nerdy friend, Phoebe‘s brother’s kinda-girlfriend, etc.

The whole lore with the new villain didn’t do much for me. Not near as engaging as Gozer or even Vigo, but kudos for trying something new. I thought they should have played up the literature/library-isms more, maybe giving Robert Frost’s writings more significance that just some ominous quote to open the film. I did like the archival audio recordings as a means to detective work, but it got dumb really quick and just an excuse to make the famous lion statue come alive.

The worst thing about this film is that it made me sympathetic to no-dyck-Walter Peck’s arguments and logic in context of the occasions, and that’s unforgivable, IMO.

CyberCubed

04-16-2024, 06:51 PM

Hopefully this comes to streaming soon so I can watch it at 1.5x speed and for free. That way the slow pacing will be over with in no time flat. Should be another 2-3 weeks maybe.

oldmanwinters

04-17-2024, 03:00 PM

I really enjoyed Afterlife, mostly because it felt like a "coda" to the original series while this one feels like an obvious attempt to launch a new franchise... and does nothing for me really.

Back in the 80s and 90s, it seemed like if any major sequel "underperformed" or was considered a failure to "meet expectations" then the film franchise was dead, with its only hope being direct-to-video with a new cast and much lower budget. Was Ghostbusters II as good as the original? No, not even close. And yet, it was fun in a lot of ways and I preferred having it than not. Sometimes it's just nice to see the familiar faces reprising their roles again, even if lighting can't strike twice. It was fairly rare to see all those high-profile actors and actresses, who had no shortage of major projects, getting together to put on old clothes and play a beloved part more than once.

Nowadays, it feels like almost the opposite. Doesn't really matter if people are asking for another installment. Doesn't matter if all the old stars are old, retired, or dead. Doesn't seem to matter if the last movie didn't make "enough money." By golly, we ARE getting another one. Because it HAS to exist. Because studios would rather risking propping up their established IPs for yet another go-round because that's still a safer bet than trying to make anything new, even if it could draw heavy inspiration from what came before, and maybe even improve on some things while its establishing itself.

But enough of my oldman Rant.

Why the heck are the mini-Stay Pufts now becoming a secondary mascot for the franchise? The original film made it very clear why Mr. Stay Puft came into existence. The animated series retconned some of the movie's plot points so it could have a little more fun with him. Afterlife at least had the obligatory tie to Gozer, even if it made no sense to bring back a manifestation of destruction that was originally offered to one guy in a much different context. Now we've just got... all these little things running around wherever the main characters are spending their nights (and seemingly procreating more of each other) and nobody even worries about it?

And Slimer just lays around the old firehouse stuffing himself with junk food because... he's the other franchise mascot, despite the fact that nobody in the GB movie-verse (except the elusive Louis Tully) has ever had any meaningful interaction with?

Ironically, my favorite part of this movie was probably when they showed that faux-news broadcast early in the runtime that cemented the events of Ghostbusters II (there was a little doubt given some statements in Afterlife) and somehow canonized the breakfast cereal, the "role play" aspects of the toyline, and the music video with Ray Parker, Jr. Eh, why not?

Wildcat

04-17-2024, 05:15 PM

Why the heck are the mini-Stay Pufts now becoming a secondary mascot for the franchise? The original film made it very clear why Mr. Stay Puft came into existence. The animated series retconned some of the movie's plot points so it could have a little more fun with him. Afterlife at least had the obligatory tie to Gozer, even if it made no sense to bring back a manifestation of destruction that was originally offered to one guy in a much different context. Now we've just got... all these little things running around wherever the main characters are spending their nights (and seemingly procreating more of each other) and nobody even worries about it?

And Slimer just lays around the old firehouse stuffing himself with junk food because... he's the other franchise mascot, despite the fact that nobody in the GB movie-verse (except the elusive Louis Tully) has ever had any meaningful interaction with?

Ironically, my favorite part of this movie was probably when they showed that faux-news broadcast early in the runtime that cemented the events of Ghostbusters II (there was a little doubt given some statements in Afterlife) and somehow canonized the breakfast cereal, the "role play" aspects of the toyline, and the music video with Ray Parker, Jr. Eh, why not?None of this is directly stated of course. It’s fan theory but it’s how I and others interpreted it. It makes sense too if you’re into this kind of thing.

The Mini Pufts in Afterlife are the PKE/psychokinetic energy or “spirit” of Stay Puft that came along with the Terror dog. Since Gozer has not returned yet it manifests by possessing the marshmallows since that’s it’s goto form.

This now means they’re independent entities so they don’t need Gozer to survive. The ones in Frozen Empire are the ones left behind in Afterlife (I assume from Walmart). Ray takes them either for research and/or because he’s always liked the character and maybe wants them as a pet.

They’re not evil or don’t appear to be. They followed Gozer in Afterlife and Garraka had a sort of mind control effect. They just like to mess around.

Sure Slimer hangs out there. I guess he could go anywhere but they took inspiration from the cartoon so that’s where he lives.

The news and commercials were great. I’ve seen complaints about the cereal and toys but they make sense too. They’re telling us that in-universe the GB were popular enough at the time they had merchandise deals. The theme song at the birthday party in GB2 makes even more sense now. I think it was a great idea to make them canon.

About your first point. They’re not trying to force franchises to keep going....especially not with this. People have wanted GB3 for literally decades. Afterlife combined with Frozen Empire is part 3.

I’ve seen complaints this doesn’t count as a proper continuation because they introduced kids and such. This is unfair. Just because it’s different than what people imagined does not invalidate it as a proper continuation. They were always going to make updates and bring in new characters.

I know why people use the term Legacy Sequel but this is still basically what would have happened regardless of when it came out.

KROW

04-17-2024, 11:12 PM

The Mini Pufts in Afterlife are the PKE/psychokinetic energy or “spirit” of Stay Puft that came along with the Terror dog. Since Gozer has not returned yet it manifests by possessing the marshmallows since that’s it’s goto form.

This now means they’re independent entities so they don’t need Gozer to survive. The ones in Frozen Empire are the ones left behind in Afterlife (I assume from Walmart). Ray takes them either for research and/or because he’s always liked the character and maybe wants them as a pet.

They’re not evil or don’t appear to be. They followed Gozer in Afterlife and Garraka had a sort of mind control effect. They just like to mess around.

You could also theorize that since Ray is the one who thought Stay-Puft up in the first place and is still alive, he's the reason that "spirit" still lingers and he has a psychic tie to them now.

Or because toys.

Yeah, probably toys.

Andrew NDB

04-18-2024, 01:24 AM

I’ve seen complaints this doesn’t count as a proper continuation because they introduced kids and such. This is unfair. Just because it’s different than what people imagined does not invalidate it as a proper continuation. They were always going to make updates and bring in new characters.

I know why people use the term Legacy Sequel but this is still basically what would have happened regardless of when it came out.

It's a proper continuation and I generally agree between the two movies there is something resembling a Ghostbusters 3 but... c'mon. They bungled this one. They needed another couple of drafts. There isn't any emotional hook to the OGs, there's so many characters, magical Pakistani isn't needed... there's so much chaff and not enough wheat. You look at a script like GB1 and it's just so tightly packed that the adlibbing only gives tons of cherries on top. And there's not even anybody in Frozen Empire that's up to adlibbing except the OGs, and they're just kind of there, drifting about. And I'm by no means happy or glad to say this, it's all rather heartbreaking. Because this is it. This is just more Sony shoving unready and unvetted stuff out there like the Venom movies, Morbius, and Madame Web. With just enough familiarity that it attracts a modicum of attention.

oldmanwinters

04-18-2024, 06:23 AM

And there's not even anybody in Frozen Empire that's up to adlibbing except the OGs, and they're just kind of there, drifting about.

I dunno, I felt like Paul Rudd adlibbed his way through the whole movie. Like they just pointed a camera on him and, “ok, Paul, do your bit!” That whole bit where he painfully worked through the GB theme song with Phoebe’s mother took about 60 seconds alone.

Wildcat

04-18-2024, 07:36 PM

It's a proper continuation and I generally agree between the two movies there is something resembling a Ghostbusters 3 but... c'mon. They bungled this one. They needed another couple of drafts. There isn't any emotional hook to the OGs, there's so many characters, magical Pakistani isn't needed... there's so much chaff and not enough wheat. You look at a script like GB1 and it's just so tightly packed that the adlibbing only gives tons of cherries on top. And there's not even anybody in Frozen Empire that's up to adlibbing except the OGs, and they're just kind of there, drifting about. And I'm by no means happy or glad to say this, it's all rather heartbreaking. Because this is it. This is just more Sony shoving unready and unvetted stuff out there like the Venom movies, Morbius, and Madame Web. With just enough familiarity that it attracts a modicum of attention.I still think it’s just the pace that’s off. I honestly like everything about the movie but it feels scattered. It’s not Sony or drafts. It’s the editing and trying to do multiple subplots.

So your issue is mainly just the OGB not getting enough too do? I’ll agree on Winston and Peter but Ray gets a significant amount of screen time and actually feels like he has a purpose.

I liked Nadeem (Kumail). He was funnier than I expected. I thought he’d just be a bystander for a few jokes. You really think someone who can manipulate fire is too out of place in this world or you just don’t like character in general?

CyberCubed

04-18-2024, 07:40 PM

So the HD rip is up so I watched the movie. It was ok, nothing great, but nothing to make another movie about either. It really felt like all the original Ghostbusters were just there to be there, only the black guy got some decent lines. The red head guy wanting to shut down the ghostbusters the whole movie was dumb and just a pointless callback to the first movie, especially when they know they saved the city.

Was that Indian guy in the previous movie? I don't remember him, he reminds me of those indian guys on all those comedy shows like Big Bang Theory or whatever. I'm not sure if it's the same actor or not, all these Indians look the same to me so I can't tell the difference.

As for the ghost girl, at first I though they were going to do some weird lesbian romance between a ghost and Pheobe, especially when she separated herself from her body and became a ghost herself. They didn't go that way but I got lesbian vibes for sure, I'm sure someone is writing shipping fanfiction about them as we speak.

oldmanwinters

04-18-2024, 08:18 PM

Somebody got a theory on how Jack Frost (or whatever its name was) is able to freeze the proton pack streams? The film makes a point earlier in the story where Phoebe defiantly corrects Mayor No Dyck about what the packs are and aren’t. Is that… an attempt to set up anything?

And later… I think Nadeem the Keeper of the Flame is able to manipulate the proton streams because… why? My understanding is that the streams themselves are basically light. When they make contact with non-ectoplasmic matter, they tend to cause concussive damage and create heat, but why exactly would a pyro-prodigy be able to control them as if they were flames?

Andrew NDB

04-18-2024, 08:46 PM

but why exactly would a pyro-prodigy be able to control them as if they were flames?

And yet they can be frozen as well? They want it both ways.

frank_one

04-19-2024, 05:54 AM

Lesbian ghost romance? I need to watch this movie.

oldmanwinters

04-19-2024, 01:23 PM

Lesbian ghost romance? I need to watch this movie.

So... I don't have many original thoughts on that specific issue. The film seems to play it up like Melody's character arc might have ended and allowed her to pass on into... nirvana or whatever. But, the core tension throughout most of the film is Melody being manipulated by the Jack Frost demon into earning Phoebe's trust enough so that they can release the evil spirit from its brass ball prison.

Phoebe gets intrigued by Melody's claim that she's able to exist on a different plane of existence, which eventually leads her to putting herself into a death chamber and temporarily becoming a ghost herself. Again... why exactly was that necessary for this movie's plot (from Phoebe’s point of view)? I must have missed it but what does Phoebe expect to gain by becoming a temporary ghost? Does it really satisfy any purpose other than her curiosity?

And while I'm riding that train of thought... dang, the GB research lab has a machine that can just... do that type of stuff? Who decided that kind of machine would be useful to keep around? Was it tested on anybody before? How does Phoebe in particular know enough about how the machine works that she can have full confidence she won't die and that the effects only last... 2 or 3 minutes exactly?

It's a weird thing about this film that opens with the Spengler family running all operations out of the old fire house and responding to calls. And their business is being publicly backed by Winston's company. And Winston sends his GB specialists over for periodic maintenance checks and to make sure the old containment unit is protected and working properly because... consequences. But Winston is spending a lot more resources on the covert underground GB lab and Ray knows all about it but none of the Spengler family busters have ever even heard of this place until somebody asks a reasonable question about the need for a newer/bigger containment unit.

And yet... Phoebe's brother's kinda-girlfriend already had a free pass to do weapons training at the super-secret facility despite not really knowing anything special about the science aspects of ghost-busting. And Lars seems to know everything about stuff and yet... both he and Ray seem to be pretty careless with the obviously dangerous and PKE-charged brass ball.

For a movie franchise that was built on making the impossible plausible and always having a witty retort about everything that came up, it just feels like this movie only happens because everything is a logical mess and our key people make bad decisions.

CyberCubed

04-19-2024, 04:09 PM

We don't need a Ghostbusters 5. Especially once Bill Murray and the others pass away. Ant-man and the Stranger Things knock-off cast can't carry these films.

Andrew NDB

04-19-2024, 04:31 PM

We don't need a Ghostbusters 5.

Not from these people. And I was really rooting for this movie, too.

Iroh

05-24-2024, 08:43 PM

Yeah. The movie was kind of meh. :roll: I do always have the tendency to tear up after seeing what is left of the original cast from my childhood. Winston is showing everyone that black doesn't crack. He doesn't look a day over 45. I did have several questions regarding this movie though. I guess I will just keep it to myself because I do not want to get a headache. lol I really hope this is the last movie of the franchise. I don't want the "wokeness" of this new society to infiltrate what is left of my childhood movie that made it great.:tcry:

CyberCubed

05-24-2024, 08:53 PM

Bill Murray looked bored for most of the movie, he was clearly just phoning it in for a paycheck and because they wanted him back. Honestly Bill Murray hasn't been good for decades in general.

Ghostbusters was never going to appeal to a younger generation because nobody wants to watch a bunch of middle-age men, that today's kids have no nostalgia for. Even with the new younger kids cast, unless they achieve "Stranger Things" type of popularity (which is what they were hoping for but didn't get I suppose), they were never going to catch on.

Andrew NDB

05-24-2024, 10:50 PM

Iroh

05-25-2024, 03:58 PM

I totally agree, Andrew. Bro only had like five lines throughout the entire movie. I was really wondering why were all the ghosts hanging around like normal phenomenon in the movie. Big stone lion comes to life and no one is scared? Library ghost from 1989 still chilling in the library and everyone is cool with her before she charges Ray? This film wasn't well put together at all.

Andrew NDB

05-25-2024, 11:39 PM

Another draft of the script plus a real emotional tether for Venkman and we might've had something good here.

IMJ

05-26-2024, 07:47 AM

I've liked the last two flicks, but the direction they went was an interesting choice given how they could have made Murray and Weaver centered movies involving Oscar bringing the Ghostbusters back or something like that.

Hell they could have done the same thing with the Spenglers (which was great) and still involved the Venkmans. I dunno.

frank_one

05-26-2024, 11:35 AM

IMJ

05-26-2024, 12:36 PM

They could have told a story about the Spenglers in the first one, then a story about the Venkmans (sort of) in the second one and lastly a story about the new kids grown up and fighting on their own without the help of the old team.

Yeah there you go! A little bit of symmetry across a new trilogy.... maybe reveal Winston's family in the 3rd...

Wildcat

05-26-2024, 11:30 PM

So it passed $200 million. Of course we wanted it to do better but at least the movie itself made double what it cost...I know there’s marketing and such but I’m just talking about the movie itself.

I thought it would do better than Afterlife but I’m still glad it did about the same.

Andrew NDB

05-27-2024, 12:10 AM

So it passed $200 million.

Meaningless, because it took 2 months to get there.

Wildcat

05-27-2024, 12:18 AM

Meaningless, because it took 2 months to get there.Who cares how long it took? Any studio wants their movies to make as much as possible. So what if it took 2 months?

Andrew NDB

05-27-2024, 12:24 AM

Who cares how long it took?

The studio.

Any studio wants their movies to make as much as possible. So what if it took 2 months?

Because every week a movie is out, the greater and greater the % of box office goes to the theaters and not the studio. By weekend #4 it's almost entirely going to the theaters.

Wildcat

05-27-2024, 12:43 AM

The studio.
Because every week a movie is out, the greater and greater the % of box office goes to the theaters and not the studio. By weekend #4 it's almost entirely going to the theaters.Ok I didn’t know that but then the same thing must have happened to Afterlife?

If I’m reading this correctly it took Afterlife longer.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ghostbusters-Afterlife#tab=box-office

Andrew NDB

05-27-2024, 02:03 AM

Ok I didn’t know that but then the same thing must have happened to Afterlife?

If I’m reading this correctly it took Afterlife longer.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ghostbusters-Afterlife#tab=box-office

If you go here and sort of hover the mouse around the chart, Frozen Empire was trailing Afterlife about 20 million during the whole first month. And Afterlife had a 25 million cheaper budget. Without getting into how much the studio gets from international box office vs. domestic... these are pretty dire numbers.

Wildcat

05-27-2024, 03:24 AM

If you go here and sort of hover the mouse around the chart, Afterlife was trailing Frozen Empire about 20 million during the whole first month. And Afterlife had a 25 million cheaper budget. Without getting into how much the studio gets from international box office vs. domestic... these are pretty dire numbers.No Afterlife was ahead.

Anyway they both did pretty much the same. Box Office Mojo is listing $200, 279, 314. Afterlife was $204+. TheNumbers website is a bit off I guess and hasn't updated FE. If it makes a another couple million they'll be almost identical. Expectations aside it did alright.

I hate that movies are measured against themselves. I know about profits but it makes no sense in terms of viewership. Afterlife and FE have had the same amount of audiences. There was really no decline.

I've read people say lower the budgets but that just backwards thinking. That's not going to make more people see them. It'll just be cheaper...and in turn limit what can be done.

Someone said maybe this is just where GB is as a franchise. Around the $200 range. That makes sense. That could be right. They're all 200+. Only the first made it close to 300.

Andrew NDB

05-27-2024, 03:41 AM

No Afterlife was ahead.

Sorry, I misspoke.

Anyway they both did pretty much the same. Box Office Mojo is listing $200, 279, 314. Afterlife was $204+. TheNumbers website is a bit off I guess and hasn't updated FE. If it makes a another couple million they'll be almost identical. Expectations aside it did alright.

No, not really. Afterlife made a lot more during critical weeks before things tapered out. And the only real numbers that matter are the domestic ones. International numbers can help... but only if they're pretty huge.

I hate that movies are measured against themselves. I know about profits but it makes no sense in terms of viewership. Afterlife and FE have had the same amount of audiences. There was really no decline.

There was a noticeably decline. And Frozen Empire doesn't even have "It's just fresh after COVID!" to hide behind.

Someone said maybe this is just where GB is as a franchise. Around the $200 range. That makes sense. That could be right. They're all 200+. Only the first made it close to 300.

Not adjusted for inflation. But truthfully, yes, between the 2016 remake, Afterlife, and to a lesser extent Frozen Empire... we see a pretty consistent "goal post" of what a Ghostbusters movie makes. Now, I don't think it's entirely fair to just look at it on surface value. Afterlife was hot off of COVID and famously delayed as a direct result of COVID, then delayed again, and again. But it earned a lot of goodwill. I think it'd have hit a lot stronger without COVID in normal times. Frozen Empire hit when we're long after COVID and Afterlife is 3 years in the past... and it did notably below Afterlife numbers. That speaks to the movie we got and word of mouth, nothing else. Also a not very compelling marketing campaign, I'd venture.

Wildcat

05-27-2024, 04:19 AM

I completely agree Afterlife would have done better without the pandemic and delays. Maybe around or a little more than the reboot.

So you're mainly just counting domestic numbers? I figured it doesn't really matter. A person paying for a ticket is another ticket, wherever you are. I have no idea if where they're sold makes that much of a difference.

Actually from what I've seen and people have posted the marketing has been better over seas.

Andrew NDB

05-27-2024, 11:23 PM

So you're mainly just counting domestic numbers?

Mainly. Studios get very, very little international gross in their pocket. Most of it goes to foreign distributors and, of course, the international theaters.

Think of it this way: opening weekend, I go to the theater down the street, I buy a ticket to see Deadpool 3 and the ticket is $15. About $12 of that goes to the studio and $3 of it goes to the theater (this is why we have $15 popcorn and so on). If I go on weekend #4, the studio gets $3 and $12 goes to the theater.

Now, my buddy in Peru goes to see Deadpool 3 in opening weekend there. The ticket is the equivalent of $15 USD. About $8 of that goes straight to the foreign distributor, about $4 to the local theater in Peru, and the studio gets maybe $3. And it just goes down from there every week. Peanuts. But now, if a movie has a HUGE opening in China on opening weekend, that $3 the studio gets per ticket still adds up. But it would have to be significant ticket sales. It's still a win for studios, because it's basically "free" money. As in, they hand the movie over to foreign distributors and the studio doesn't have to really do any marketing of its own in those other countries... the distributors handle that.

I figured it doesn't really matter. A person paying for a ticket is another ticket, wherever you are. I have no idea if where they're sold makes that much of a difference.

It makes a world of difference.

Wildcat

05-28-2024, 01:29 AM

Ok ya it’s not that good but I still think it’s nice it passed $200 million in general. I mean it’s not the movie’s fault the money gets split up that way.

Andrew NDB

05-28-2024, 01:37 AM

Ok ya it’s not that good but I still think it’s nice it passed $200 million in general. I mean it’s not the movie’s fault the money gets split up that way.

I mean, yeah? I guess. It does mean ultimately there were almost $200,000,000 USD ticket sales that happened for Frozen Empire. Afterlife bottomed out at 203,000,000, but it earned it faster and earlier which is what counts. But if we're talking about purely how many people bought a ticket to see the movie, regardless of how long it took them to do so or where they did, then yeah. That's nothing to sneeze at. It just doesn't bode well for a Ghostbusters 5 unless they drop the budget a bunch and try something more character driven, which would be my vote.

Elevator pitch: Oscar (now named something else, because "screw you" for naming me Oscar, or something) has become estranged of Dana and Venkman who would, of course, have become his adoptive dad. He gets into trouble with the law, and as some kind of parole conditions, Venkman is able to work some magic with the mayor to get him to work it off as a Ghostbuster. And then sh** happens and everybody gets in the thick of it. Phoebe and all, with hopefully less cast. In the midst of it we see a better bond grow between Venkman and Oscar and eventually he just says screw it and is OK being called Oscar. Because busting made him feel that good next to his dad.

Would you not see that movie? I'd see that movie. And it'd cost less than Frozen Empire.