Ghostbusters: Afterlife sequel (GB4)

[Andrew NDB]

Because it probably warrants its own thread...



https://www.darkhorizons.com/more-ve...rs-on-the-way/

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/ne...-sony-pictures

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/v...ny-1235240650/

[CyberCubed]

I don't expect to see the return of Bill Murray after recent events. It'll just be Paul Rudd and the two kids.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't expect to see the return of Bill Murray after recent events.

Have they even said what this supposed bad behavior was on yet?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't expect to see the return of Bill Murray after recent events. It'll just be Paul Rudd and the two kids.

And that's exactly why Twitter needs to change for the better. So little pussy **** like that doesn't matter. "Oh someone said something offensive or problematic? Let me put him in my next movie".

[Leo656]

He's got a terrible on-set history that goes way beyond "saying nasty things" and stretches back decades. He's physically assaulted multiple people and threatened many more. He always gets away with it because "He's Bill Murray". But lest we forget, the reason he and Ramis didn't speak for decades is because even his "Good Friend" Harold finally had enough of "Bill being Bill" and slammed him into a wall by his shirt collar.

Even off-set, he's reportedly a nightmare. There's the "walking into a room at a restaurant and stealing/breaking everyone's cell phones so nobody can record him" stuff, but there's also the little matter of, he was horribly verbally abusive to his ex-wife and may have physically abused her, as well. One of their kids once attested to the fact that he screamed at his wife during an argument, "I could f*cking kill you and nobody would ever know." There's supposedly voicemails of him saying similar things.

Everybody wants to like Bill Murray because he's Bill Murray. But the sad fact of the matter that we're only now recognizing is that... Bill Murray is kind of a scumbag who just happens to have a charming screen presence. Pick any movie he's ever worked on, and there's no shortage of "Oh, f*ck THAT guy" stories.

As to what happened THIS time... one can guess, even though it hasn't come out yet. He probably got drunk and screamed at/threatened someone, maybe touched a woman inappropriately. He once threw an ashtray at Richard Dreyfuss's face, threw a female director into a lake during an argument, ripped the same director's glasses off her face and broke them when she refused to give him more days off... it could be ANY f*cking thing, with him, that's the thing. He's NOT a nice guy.

Which is unfortunate. But more and more, people are just getting fed up with him. How many guys have had entire movie productions shut down just so the studio can hire bodyguards to keep him away from the rest of the cast? Only Bill Murray, as far as I'm aware.

He's special. He's just a Special Kinda Guy.
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As far as the movie, I'm tepidly excited simply because we don't know anything yet. I liked "Afterlife" a ton but the next one could be anything. All we know is "They're doing another one." I'll have more to say when we know more of substance.

[Andrew NDB]

The odds I would ever be able to sit down and share a drink with Bill Murray are pretty low, so I don't really care about how nice or not nice he is (though I've read over the years about him surprising this person or that person, in a good way?). He remains probably my favorite actor.

[Leo656]

As an actor, he's great.

As a human being, he's apparently not, which more and more seems just as likely as "He's elusive on purpose" as to why he doesn't work more often than he does. Almost everyone who ever worked with him has said "I'm never working with him again" and that leaves an ever-shrinking pool of people both in front of and behind the camera.

I'm sure he's not hurting for money and he only ever worked when he wanted to anyway. Point is, very few people even WANT to work with him, anymore. And that's just plain not a good look.

It's a shame because all anyone really has is their legacy, and he's not gonna be around much longer. The stuff we KNOW about him is bad; one can only imagine the stuff they keep under wraps that'll start coming out when he's gone.

He doesn't care, but he should. It's all on him. He could be remembered as "just" a brilliant actor, OR "a brilliant actor who drank too much and was a huge asshole to everyone he ever met for no good reason at all." Everybody loves the guy... until they meet him. He has no REASON to treat people like sh*t... he just does it to amuse himself (or because he's drunk). It's not like he's some overlooked, underappreciated guy who toiled for years and never got a break; he's a living legend who punched his own ticket, and he's STILL the most miserable son of a bitch alive.

What SENSE does that make? Why can't he just A. Be appreciative of how fortunate he is, and B. Treat other people the way they treat him? Nobody on Earth ever woke up on any given day and said, "I'm gonna go start sh*t with Bill Murray." Rather, Bill Murray wakes up and decides to be a f*cking prick for no reason.

It's not defensible. And it's gonna be a huge black mark on his legacy. And whose fault is that? Only his. That's the real shame of it all. He could go down in history any way he wants and that's how he wants to be remembered. As a "drunken Irish bully", in Dreyfuss's words.

When the world gives you f*cking Everything, it doesn't cost you anything just to f*cking be nice to people.

[neatoman]

For some reason, I keep thinking this thread is about a Ghostbusters game on the GBA when I see the title.

[Wildcat]

I assume Bill Murray is done with this. Which is totally fine. He only appeared in the reboot because he pretty much had to and in Afterlife for Jason and Ivan.

This must continue with Phoebe in some way. It would not make sense otherwise. Have the Spengler family (Mr. Grooberson) join Ray and Winston.

Introduce their kids/family too. Give their personal life some attention. They don’t have to be GB. Also find a spot for Podcast.

Something I just thought of...Muncher is Slimer’s counterpart. Give Stay Puft a counterpart with a new equally cute monster. I don’t mean a giant. Maybe a Twinkie? Is that too on-the-nose? Doesn’t have to be food I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

At this point, Murray did what he needed to do. If she shows up in a mid-credits thing, awesome. That'd be enough.

And if Oscar shows, hey. That's his stepson. Maybe he can peek around.

[drgon78]

He is a good actor and yes I have heard he is hard to work with though he must be doing something right if many actors have no problem working with him many times. Also heard he is a really good tipper.

[CyberCubed]

Bill Murray looks 90 even though he's only 71. I don't know what the hell happened to him.

[Andrew NDB]

All he had to do was put some black hair dye in there and he'd look 50 years younger.

[neatoman]

He used to have a lot of neck fat, losing that gives anyone obvious wrinkles.

Spoiler:

[Leo656]

Drinking too much also ages the hell out of a person. Especially if they otherwise don't take great care of themselves. He's never been a particularly vain guy so frankly it's impressive he doesn't look a bit worse considering what we know of his lifestyle.

[Andrew NDB]

Murray comments on his latest troubles. A little.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/b...on-1235255203/

I bet it wasn't much of anything.

[Leo656]

Sounds like he most likely touched someone inappropriately or made a comment about a woman's body.

Which granted, isn't "much", but still, you're not allowed to do that anymore. Everyone knows that.

[Andrew NDB]

I think jumping to "he touched someone" is a little presumptive. I've been thinking it was some kind of gag, or said something "offensive" or something. Not ruling it out, though.

[Leo656]

I could have sworn he said he "did something" that was supposed to be funny but wasn't taken that way, but I could have read it wrong.

Part of why my mind jumped there is because that happened to me, once. Way back in high school I was best friends with this one girl, and we were kinda "huggy" and everything so one day I playfully patted her on the butt. And OH BOY did that become A Whole Big Thing that went on for weeks. I had to apologize to her in front of all our friends, AND to our friends, and blah blah. I didn't feel like it was a big deal, but I was upset that THEY did.

Then later on I found out that she let a guy she didn't even like finger-bang her and her friend at the same time. So I haven't felt bad about it since. F*ck her.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, women are just oversensitive over stuff like that. Like, I understand the fear of being assaulted but sometimes a pat on the butt is just a pat on the butt. I can assume you weren't pinning her down or whatever.

Like obviously I wouldn't wantsome woman to tie me down and use tools on me against my will, but if some random strange woman slapped my butt like at a store or something, yeah I woulda been surprised or whatever but I'd chock it up to 'that weird thing that happened that one day', especially if it was a one time thing and there was zero indication she wanted to go further.