Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[nidza_maj2000]

Bro it will be so sick when Matt finally says “Defenders! Assemble!”

Hopefully they will also get a cameo in Avengers Doomsday movie defending streets from Doombots or something while others are fighting Doom somewhere else

[Andrew NDB]

Well here's a bad rumor that's likely to be true. Daredevil will barely be in season 3? After barely being in season 2.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/daredevil-defenders-return-reason-spin-off-talk/

It will be really good, this season 3 might basically be Defenders season 2 maybe

Considering how bad Defenders season 1 was, that's a pretty lofty hope. Still, if they want to dust off all of the Defenders and give them all another shake, I'm game. I just don't have a lot of faith in these new writers to be able to actually do that.

[Autbot_Benz]

Will iron fist actually get to wear the damn costume this time. That’s the big question

[Andrew NDB]

Will iron fist actually get to wear the damn costume this time. That’s the big question

Agreed. If they're not going to do that then seriously they shouldn't bother.

[nidza_maj2000]

So Jessica also has a daughter now, here is new trailer for Daredevil Born Again season 2, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MqJBVn8Rk

[Andrew NDB]

So Jessica also has a daughter now, here is new trailer for Daredevil Born Again season 2, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MqJBVn8Rk

100% that's Luke Cage's kid, then.

[nidza_maj2000]

100% that's Luke Cage's kid, then.

It is Danielle most likely

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 4 is also good, what do you guys think maybe?
So Vanessa will probably die in next episode after that glass hit her

[MikeandRaph87]

Season 2 episode 4 is also good, what do you guys think maybe?
So Vanessa will probably die in next episode after that glass hit her

I have watched through episode 2, her fear of Bullseye keeping her up at night signaled this is likely. The chilling thought was it would be Wilson himself killed her after she sets him up.


Dr. Glenn, the failed attempt of a replacment love interest, adapted from the comics are not, is also suffering fear of an attacker, will likely replace Muse.


The Danoel/B.B. sub-plot and White Tiger II subplots are telegraphed and uninteresting.

I like that Karen Page has been kept alive and developed. It shows you can avoid fridging and going woke. It does not have to go to either extreme. I am surprised the comic kept her dead for 28 years.

[Andrew NDB]

I think they'll do something like Vanessa will go into a coma and come out with brain damage/memory loss... and Kingpin will set her up somewhere nice or something. So she'll be out of the picture UNLESS they want her not to be in a few years (she could recover, get some Extremis treatment, etc.).

I have always liked Karen but I don't really care for what they're doing with her here. Now she's getting into open firefights with her pistol vs. 10+ armed and trained officers? Out-fighting them, too, after one lesson with Matt? It seems like they ARE going from one extreme to the other here.

[nidza_maj2000]

It is also good they featured footage from Netflix show for flashbacks maybe

[nidza_maj2000]

Here is trailer for Punisher special presentation, here: https://youtu.be/oSeqs_xeqv4?si=wxzqmxHZhQ5fyxWg so what do you guys think about it maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

[nidza_maj2000]

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

What is your opinion about Punisher special presentation trailer?

[Andrew NDB]

What is your opinion about Punisher special presentation trailer?

Looks great! Though where is... what's her name. The main villain in the story this is supposed to adapt? The one he chops the arms and legs off of?

[nidza_maj2000]

Looks great! Though where is... what's her name. The main villain in the story this is supposed to adapt? The one he chops the arms and legs off of?

It really looks good, there are even rumors that Sadie Sink might appear as Jean Grey in post credits scene of special presentation setting up Spiderman Brand New Day movie

[nidza_maj2000]

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

Also flashbacks from Netflix show literally went full screen like that show which is also good

[Andrew NDB]

Also flashbacks from Netflix show literally went full screen like that show which is also good

They might as well. I bet that kid that played Young Matt from 10 years ago is happy he gets a few bucks now from Disney+, too.

The only bad things, IMO, about bringing ALL of Netflix into canon is this:

* Jigsaw. Great actor but what a HORRIBLE take on him when he actually became Jigsaw. Guy was like a pretty boy pansy even then and I have no idea why they were afraid to give him the messed up face. And now he's dead. Punisher's greatest and most iconic bad guy, never to be realized now.

* The damage to the Hand in The Defenders. And by damage I mean The Hand becoming a joke in that after being so mysterious and cool and scary in Daredevil seasons 1 and 2. That'll take some... damage control, for sure, but it looks like it's coming.

* They way they did Danny Rand at the end of Iron Fist season 2. But I guess they'll just ignore that away or something?

[nidza_maj2000]

They might as well. I bet that kid that played Young Matt from 10 years ago is happy he gets a few bucks now from Disney+, too.

The only bad things, IMO, about bringing ALL of Netflix into canon is this:

* Jigsaw. Great actor but what a HORRIBLE take on him when he actually became Jigsaw. Guy was like a pretty boy pansy even then and I have no idea why they were afraid to give him the messed up face. And now he's dead. Punisher's greatest and most iconic bad guy, never to be realized now.

* The damage to the Hand in The Defenders. That'll take some... damage control, for sure, but it looks like it's coming.

* They way they did Danny Rand at the end of Iron Fist season 2. But I guess they'll just ignore that away or something?

Well we will see and I am also interested to see will we see Daniella Cage in season 2 or 3

[MikeandRaph87]

I think they'll do something like Vanessa will go into a coma and come out with brain damage/memory loss... and Kingpin will set her up somewhere nice or something. So she'll be out of the picture UNLESS they want her not to be in a few years (she could recover, get some Extremis treatment, etc.).

I have always liked Karen but I don't really care for what they're doing with her here. Now she's getting into open firefights with her pistol vs. 10+ armed and trained officers? Out-fighting them, too, after one lesson with Matt? It seems like they ARE going from one extreme to the other here.

Richard was not used. In the comics after Wilson Fisk becomes the mayor of New York, he obtains the Tablet of Life and Destiny and the Tablet of Death and Entropy and uses them to resurrect Richard Fisk instead of Vanessa knowing it would be her wish, she having killed Richard who cornered her and defending her husband. So if we go mystic the tablets could be a plot device to have Peter selfishly want t revive May while Frank wishes to revive his family and Wilson Vanessa. That could also explainThe Hand in Brand New Day. The tablets have not even been mentioned but the plot is a viable direction.

As for Karen being an excellent shot, she has had to use a gun before in the Neflix series so its not too far off the rails. I get really annoyed when April O'Neil joins the fight. Some characters can contribute without suiting up and fighting. We are not going to get it but when I think of a reaistence I dont think of civilians, I think Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Power Man, Jewel, The Punisher taking on Kingpin in a fight and 3xposing him.


This is too plain clothes. I just learned one of the random cabinet members is a character called Bullet. Its like how Gladiator never is fully realized or The Owl. Its still great but costumed heroes and villains are better!

[Andrew NDB]

As for Karen being an excellent shot, she has had to use a gun before in the Neflix series so its not too far off the rails.


You mean the one time against the unarmed guy (by virtue of her snatching his firearm) sitting two feet across from the table from her?

[nidza_maj2000]

So do you guys believe rumors that Punisher One Last Kill will tease Jean in post credits scene?

[Andrew NDB]

So do you guys believe rumors that Punisher One Last Kill will tease Jean in post credits scene?

It DOES seem like the movie will only exist because Bernthal was wanted in Spider-Man 4, somewhat unexpectedly. So it is at least possible Marvel would want to shoehorn in at least some kind of middle that sets up the Punisher in Spider-Man 4. There were earlier reports (before it became more definitive that she is Jean Grey) that Sink was playing some kind of Punisher sidekick due to set reports, so they might somehow squeeze that in.

BUT... this Punisher movie is only like an hour long and its supposedly adapting Garth Ennis' "Welcome Back, Frank," with Punisher going head to head with Ma Gnucci and a whole crime family... so I can't imagine there will be exactly a surplus of extra time for stuff like Jean Grey.

[nidza_maj2000]

It DOES seem like the movie will only exist because Bernthal was wanted in Spider-Man 4, somewhat unexpectedly. So it is at least possible Marvel would want to shoehorn in at least some kind of middle that sets up the Punisher in Spider-Man 4. There were earlier reports (before it became more definitive that she is Jean Grey) that Sink was playing some kind of Punisher sidekick due to set reports, so they might somehow squeeze that in.

BUT... this Punisher movie is only like an hour long and its supposedly adapting Garth Ennis' "Welcome Back, Frank," with Punisher going head to head with Ma Gnucci and a whole crime family... so I can't imagine there will be exactly a surplus of extra time for stuff like Jean Grey.

Which is why it might only happen in post credits scene

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 5 might confirm was that really Watcher cameo in episode 4 if he appears again outside hospital window where Venessa might die maybe

[Andrew NDB]

Season 2 episode 5 might confirm was that really Watcher cameo in episode 4 if he appears again outside hospital window where Venessa might die maybe

Pretty sure that was just a one off fun thing. Though part of me does wonder how seriously we are to take Kingpin's comment about "How many are there?" about other worlds to conquer, if that's some passing reference to long term Kingpin plans. Probably not, but fun to ponder.

Elodie Yung has been posting a lot of vague stuff on her Instagram that alludes to Elektra. If the Hand is back and all that'd make a lot of sense if she pops back up in season 3... or maybe even something in Spider-Man (which also has the Hand).

[nidza_maj2000]

Pretty sure that was just a one off fun thing. Though part of me does wonder how seriously we are to take Kingpin's comment about "How many are there?" about other worlds to conquer, if that's some passing reference to long term Kingpin plans. Probably not, but fun to ponder.

Elodie Yung has been posting a lot of vague stuff on her Instagram that alludes to Elektra. If the Hand is back and all that'd make a lot of sense if she pops back up in season 3... or maybe even something in Spider-Man (which also has the Hand).

How likely do you think it is for this Kingpin to build collider to find other worlds to save Vanessa maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw episode 5. Pretty solid again. Now, who was dead in the back of that car? It's not BB, right?

How likely do you think it is for this Kingpin to build collider to find other worlds to save Vanessa maybe?

Probably not likely at all in the foreseeable future.

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 5 is really good Fisk might return to his season 1 self from Netflix show starting next episode because Vanessa is now dead, also Jessica returns in next episode

[Andrew NDB]

Fisk might return to his season 1 self from Netflix show starting next episode

I think anything less than that would be extremely disappointing. Especially considering there are only THREE episodes left and there really hasn't been any movement with Fisk's "war on vigilantes" since last season.

[nidza_maj2000]

I think anything less than that would be extremely disappointing. Especially considering there are only THREE episodes left and there really hasn't been any movement with Fisk's "war on vigilantes" since last season.

Now he might be as brutal as in season 1 of Netflix show

[Andrew NDB]

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Shesus. If you watch closely the Vanessa actor's responses and body language. I think we've found the problem of the whole show now. And it's the one interviewing her.

[nidza_maj2000]

So I am excited to see what Jessica will do in today episode and will we see her daughter Danielle Cage probably

[Andrew NDB]

Oof... so yeah, this show is just not very solid. Jessica Jones' entrance was played completely flat. Looking up the director of the latest episode it wasn't very surprising to see that definitely the most exciting thing to the people making it was all the "NO KINGS"-like protest (yes, there is even protesters with "NO KING" signs) complete with "RESIST" and "REBEL" and Mexicans on videos complaining about how they were unjustly locked up for weeks. If anybody was waiting to see Kingpin become unhinged this episode you don't get it beyond a random fight with Daredevil that just feels inserted and isn't really for any particular purpose.

This show has totally lost the thread. Oh, and Karen has become completely unbearable. She used to be nagging and mildly annoying at times and even then I'd mostly like her, but now she's openly shrieking at Matt over nothing and flailing about when she's not too busy hitting the punching bag to be a better girlboss.

[nidza_maj2000]

Well in my opinion season 2 episode 6 is really good and Jessica will most likely appear more in season 2 episodes 7 and 8

[Andrew NDB]

BAD writing, and writers. This may have the showrunner from Punisher but he is stuck with BAD, activist writers. Bits of 4 and 5 made me a little bit hopeful but this show in no way holds a candle to anything in the Netflix shows.

[nidza_maj2000]

BAD writing, and writers. This may have the showrunner from Punisher but he is stuck with BAD, activist writers. Bits of 4 and 5 made me a little bit hopeful but this show in no way holds a candle to anything in the Netflix shows.

Maybe last 2 episodes will be good and season 3 basically being a Defenders season 2 there is hope most likely

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe last 2 episodes will be good and season 3 basically being a Defenders season 2 there is hope most likely

Not with these writers. We've only had one good episode this season (4) and then a pretty decent member-berries episode (5) and that's it.

[nidza_maj2000]

Not with these writers. We've only had one good episode this season (4) and then a pretty decent member-berries episode (5) and that's it.

Not sure I understand why you do not like it?

[Andrew NDB]

Not sure I understand why you do not like it?

"Bad writing." Also, replacing all the good characters with one note cardboard diverse people. WAY too many characters. What exactly was even the point of, for example, the Swordsman guy? And why do we need the little midget latina white tiger girl, exactly? Cuckpin. Barely any Daredevil. Karen going way, way OOC. No Matt in the courtroom. The Anti-Vigilante Task Force storyline going nowhere after almost two whole seasons (they want more guns, I guess?). And it's pretty amazing that in 2026 there are still people that think, "If I can get people to see the similarities in this to Trump and ICE then it will do good!" It won't. It'll do the opposite, every time.

[nidza_maj2000]

"Bad writing." Also, replacing all the good characters with one note cardboard diverse people. WAY too many characters. What exactly was even the point of, for example, the Swordsman guy? And why do we need the little midget latina white tiger girl, exactly? Cuckpin. Barely any Daredevil. Karen going way, way OOC. No Matt in the courtroom. The Anti-Vigilante Task Force storyline going nowhere after almost two whole seasons (they want more guns, I guess?). And it's pretty amazing that in 2026 there are still people that think, "If I can get people to see the similarities in this to Trump and ICE then it will do good!" It won't. It'll do the opposite, every time.

Season 3 will most likely move from Mayor Fisk and AVTF story, also I believe they put in Swordsman so this show can feel more connected to MCU because Netflix shows did not have anyone appear from MCU movies

[Andrew NDB]

Season 3 will most likely move from Mayor Fisk and AVTF story, also I believe they put in Swordsman so this show can feel more connected to MCU because Netflix shows did not have anyone appear from MCU movies

How would that make any sense? The only other thing Swordsman has appeared in was the Hawkeye series.

[nidza_maj2000]

How would that make any sense? The only other thing Swordsman has appeared in was the Hawkeye series.

That is what I meant they probably wanted Daredevil Born Again show to be connected to wider MCU and because Swordsman appeared in Hawkeye they decided to include him most likely because that show is wider MCU because of flashbacks to Battle of New York and dealing post Snap, also showing how Yelena was bought back from snap

[nidza_maj2000]

Also Spiderman nowhere to be seen during all of this in New York is also not good maybe but that is because of Sony most likely and it can be explained that he does fight them in other part of city most likely

[MikeandRaph87]

Also Spiderman nowhere to be seen during all of this in New York is also not good maybe but that is because of Sony most likely and it can be explained that he does fight them in other part of city most likely

My biggest compliant about the series as a whole is the lack of costumed heroes and villains. Lets see Gladiator, Bullet, and The Owl looking to avenge his father. On the hero side as a person only interested in Spider-Man in Marvel Comics the rights tamgled web holding the character back is frustrating.

While unique to the show but telegraphed Dr. Heather Glenn is about to go full on hypocrite as Muse's successor.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/another-day-another-huge-daredevil-155343882.html

[Andrew NDB]

Episode 7 was awful. They kill off like the one tolerable new character they have in order to spare BB?!?! And power/victim struggles between men and women seems to be the only thing that really interests these hacktivist writers. Nothing really else.

Might as well cancel it. This sucks.

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 7 is good, maybe Luke Cage will appear in next episode, it is not good that Daniel is killed in this episode, I know he works for Fisk and all but it is not okay

[Andrew NDB]

"What if Daniel is revealed as Fisk's son?!?"

"What if Daniel becomes ______ villain as things move forward?"

"What if we see Daniel's slow, heart-breaking evolution into a killer?"

NOPE, we get to see none of those things -- let's just kill him off and keep BB around!

It's like they "jobbed" the wrong character. Daniel should have led BB to get killed by Buck to get DANIEL over and even Buck a little more. Nobody likes BB and she is part of the M-She-Uification of Daredevil and at least her death could have meant something.

[nidza_maj2000]

"What if Daniel is revealed as Fisk's son?!?"

"What if Daniel becomes ______ villain as things move forward?"

"What if we see Daniel's slow, heart-breaking evolution into a killer?"

NOPE, we get to see none of those things -- let's just kill him off and keep BB around!

It's like they "jobbed" the wrong character. Daniel should have led BB to get killed by Buck to get DANIEL over and even Buck a little more. Nobody likes BB and she is part of the M-She-Uification of Daredevil and at least her death could have meant something.

Let's see what happens next week, if anything we might get Luke Cage to setup Defenders reunion for season 3 most likely

[nidza_maj2000]

So Andrew are you at least excited for season finale next week maybe?

[Daytona]

I’m having trouble pushing through these last few episodes. 4 had its moments but 5 I have to keep rewinding bc I zone out and I haven’t made it to 6.

I think I knew something was wrong when during episode 5, I suddenly felt the urge to watch season one of the Netflix series instead.

I’ll definitely finish it out but I may have even preferred season 1 of Born Again to this so far.

[nidza_maj2000]

I’m having trouble pushing through these last few episodes. 4 had its moments but 5 I have to keep rewinding bc I zone out and I haven’t made it to 6.

I think I knew something was wrong when during episode 5, I suddenly felt the urge to watch season one of the Netflix series instead.

I’ll definitely finish it out but I may have even preferred season 1 of Born Again to this so far.

Season 3 might be more interesting because Defenders reunion maybe

[Andrew NDB]

So Andrew are you at least excited for season finale next week maybe?

Season 3 might be more interesting because Defenders reunion maybe

Who in the f*** cares about Defenders reunions if these people can't write good stories?

I’m having trouble pushing through these last few episodes. 4 had its moments but 5 I have to keep rewinding bc I zone out and I haven’t made it to 6.

I think I knew something was wrong when during episode 5, I suddenly felt the urge to watch season one of the Netflix series instead.

I’ll definitely finish it out but I may have even preferred season 1 of Born Again to this so far.

Yeah, all that talk about finally, season 2 they will be free to tell a REAL focused vision... and it's even less focused than season 1. Sure there isn't stuff like the bank heist episode (which come to think of it, might have felt more like Daredevil than anything in this season, the Kamala Khan references aside).

NOTHING has happened this season. The AVTF storyline has just spun around and around and nothing has come of it except they're hoping fans love to see ICE Agents getting skewered as shot as effigies. All that talk of "forming an army" at the end of the last season was completely meaningless as they've recruited precisely 0 people. The Swordsman? Appeared in action in 1 episode and exited the show. Jessica Jones? Appeared in action in 1 episode and now is largely in the shadows. The only interesting villain they had was Bullseye and now he's done a face turn. One episode to go and it's just going to be Kingpin vs. Daredevil again? With a weakened Jessica Jones helping him stand up because he just got shot, I guess?

Ohhhh ohhhhh, but we might get a 1 scene reveal of Luke Cage at the end of next episode!! WOWW!! *fap* *fap* *fap*.

[nidza_maj2000]

Who in the f*** cares about Defenders reunions if these people can't write good stories?



Yeah, all that talk about finally, season 2 they will be free to tell a REAL focused vision... and it's even less focused than season 1. Sure there isn't stuff like the bank heist episode (which come to think of it, might have felt more like Daredevil than anything in this season, the Kamala Khan references aside).

NOTHING has happened this season. The AVTF storyline has just spun around and around and nothing has come of it except they're hoping fans love to see ICE Agents getting skewered as shot as effigies. All that talk of "forming an army" at the end of the last season was completely meaningless as they've recruited precisely 0 people. The Swordsman? Appeared in action in 1 episode and exited the show. Jessica Jones? Appeared in action in 1 episode and now is largely in the shadows. The only interesting villain they had was Bullseye and now he's done a face turn. One episode to go and it's just going to be Kingpin vs. Daredevil again? With a weakened Jessica Jones helping him stand up because he just got shot, I guess?

Ohhhh ohhhhh, but we might get a 1 scene reveal of Luke Cage at the end of next episode!! WOWW!! *fap* *fap* *fap*.

So why do you think they are writing season 2 like this?

[ZariusTwo]

Season 3 might be more interesting because Defenders reunion maybe

I remember when the Defenders were made out of A or B-list superheroes and not C-tier street level vigilantes and Daredevil.

[nidza_maj2000]

Well I think you guys should give season 3 a chance, just because you think season 2 does not have good writing does not mean season 3 will also have because writing improves over seasons maybe

[Andrew NDB]

Well I think you guys should give season 3 a chance, just because you think season 2 does not have good writing does not mean season 3 will also have because writing improves over seasons maybe

3 seasons to get going? That's ridiculous. If they haven't done it by now it's not going to happen. The activists are running the writers room and if there's anybody in that room that isn't one, they're either not talented enough or not loud enough.

[nidza_maj2000]

3 seasons to get going? That's ridiculous. If they haven't done it by now it's not going to happen. The activists are running the writers room and if there's anybody in that room that isn't one, they're either not talented enough or not loud enough.

Well you have to remember that for season 1 they had to use footage from scrapped version of show with their new version, season 2 is first without it and if they saw people criticize season 2 they might do better in season 3

[Andrew NDB]

Well you have to remember that for season 1 they had to use footage from scrapped version of show with their new version, season 2 is first without it and if they saw people criticize season 2 they might do better in season 3

It doesn't sound like people are sticking around to find out and I don't blame them at all.

Let's tune in tomorrow to see how disappointing the season finale is going to be. They HAVE to at least reveal Foggy's death was staged, right? A very haggard-looking Elden did zip away from SummerCon here last year for more Born Again filming so that's got to be it, or this is all some really big bullsh**.

Plus in episode 1 of season 1 there was the whole mystery of who Foggy was hiding and protecting at his house on the phone call right when he "died." Not even a whisper about that yet. Who was that person? What was going on?

[nidza_maj2000]

It doesn't sound like people are sticking around to find out and I don't blame them at all.

Let's tune in tomorrow to see how disappointing the season finale is going to be. They HAVE to at least reveal Foggy's death was staged, right? A very haggard-looking Elden did zip away from SummerCon here last year for more Born Again filming so that's got to be it, or this is all some really big bullsh**.

Plus in episode 1 of season 1 there was the whole mystery of who Foggy was hiding and protecting at his house on the phone call right when he "died." Not even a whisper about that yet. Who was that person? What was going on?

We will see how season finale will be

[Daytona]

It doesn't sound like people are sticking around to find out and I don't blame them at all.

Let's tune in tomorrow to see how disappointing the season finale is going to be. They HAVE to at least reveal Foggy's death was staged, right? A very haggard-looking Elden did zip away from SummerCon here last year for more Born Again filming so that's got to be it, or this is all some really big bullsh**.

Plus in episode 1 of season 1 there was the whole mystery of who Foggy was hiding and protecting at his house on the phone call right when he "died." Not even a whisper about that yet. Who was that person? What was going on?

Def possible foggy comes back. I sort of think they’re gonna let these snow runners keep him dead and if the show keeps trucking along then they’ll let someone else bring him back.
Let the show runners have their cake and someone else eats it later, essentially.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like Matt is going to reveal to the world that he is Daredevil in the courtroom to put Fisk away as a witness on that Russian boat.

[nidza_maj2000]

Seems like Matt is going to reveal to the world that he is Daredevil in the courtroom to put Fisk away as a witness on that Russian boat.

Yeah, I saw that clip

[Andrew NDB]

Vastly disappointing. The only good part was Kingpin bursting through the doors and going "BOO!" and smashing all the Antifa proxies and snapping them in half.

[Jester]

So...Jan 6th style storming of government buildings is A-OK when you're trying to remove the criminal, yet duly elected politician?

[Andrew NDB]

So...Jan 6th style storming of government buildings is A-OK when you're trying to remove the criminal, yet duly elected politician?

I noticed that, too. The cops: "Let them in!"

This is a messed up soup of activist -- mostly women -- "writers." Fantasizing about what they want to do to Trump and ICE. It's literally as simple at that.

Before I watched it I actually skimmed around it a little bit at work. I admit, I got a little bit excited when I was skimming around the courtroom interior with the Daredevil Antifa guys because at a glance, it really LOOKED like The Hand was swarming things and Fisk. That might have been interesting. Madame Gowe probably wouldn't be too happy with Fisk post-Defenders, most likely.

[nidza_maj2000]

Daredevil only had 5 minutes of fight scenes in season 2, here: https://youtu.be/TF8jjokyf_Y?si=6wrpMI3mM43Psx8g which is not a lot considering there were 8 episodes

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 8 is really good, this season has been okay hopefully season 3 will be better maybe

[Daytona]

I can’t give an honest review bc I zoned out every episode. I’ll try it again sometime. Maybe after I go back to the beginning.

[nidza_maj2000]

After 1 full season of not mentioning it at all (season 2) season 1 episode 5 with Kamala father is now really a filer episode

[Andrew NDB]

The whole show is filler. It's basically "What if Fisk was Trump and had ICE agents as secret police?" coupled with a writers room just making stuff up every week and changing direction from episode to episode.

Good lord, I was watching the podcast and they even talk about how they didn't even film Daniel getting shot by Buck and they'd even shot whole scenes of him afterward surviving that encounter. But then they went back and CGIed Buck to shoot him in the head and went back and rewrote their whole plan for the rest of the season with him. That is no way to create.

[nidza_maj2000]

The whole show is filler. It's basically "What if Fisk was Trump and had ICE agents as secret police?" coupled with a writers room just making stuff up every week and changing direction from episode to episode.

Good lord, I was watching the podcast and they even talk about how they didn't even film Daniel getting shot by Buck and they'd even shot whole scenes of him afterward surviving that encounter. But then they went back and CGIed Buck to shoot him in the head and went back and rewrote their whole plan for the rest of the season with him. That is no way to create.

We will see how season 3 will be, so do you think season 1 or 2 is better?

[Andrew NDB]

We will see how season 3 will be, so do you think season 1 or 2 is better?

The Frank Castle stuff was better than anything in season 2, even though it was written horribly. So probably season 1.

[Daytona]

I thought episode 1 of season 1 was quite enjoyable. That’s probably my favorite episode since Disney revived the show. The Bullseye diner scene in episode 4(?) of season 2 was cool too but this show has a difficult time keeping my attention from scene to scene.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought episode 1 of season 1 was quite enjoyable. That’s probably my favorite episode since Disney revived the show.

Because there's no cohesion. In Netflix you'd have a bunch of characters who would have sideplots but pretty much each episode would snap all of them together into something narratively satisfying. The Disney+ show it's just a whole bunch of characters and sideplots and they just derail everything or go nowhere, or go places that aren't good.

Like all that time with the Swordsman, what was the point in any of that, all of those scenes? How did any of it pay off? All this time on the midget White Tiger lady? Just to give us one more face in the crowd of the final episode? Matthew Lillard's whole character? BB's propaganda side pieces, who are they for and what are they benefitting? Why even spend all that time developing Daniel and Buck if they were just going to dispense with Daniel and Buck is still right where he started off? All that time about the ship in the harbor that gets sunk? The weapons sideplot doesn't even make any sense. As mayor he is able to arm all of his AVTF people regardless... he just needed a bunch of extra AR Rifles for what? It wasn't like there was any unarmed AVTF agents before he got them or even after they were all blown up. You can just hear that stupid writers room, going, "We need to find a way Matt can 'get' Kingpin!" "I know, he's caught SMUGGLING WEAPONS into the city!" even though that doesn't make any sense. Stupid, stupid.

You know what's funny? I would bet you that they initially wrote season 2 with the idea that Punisher would be a huge part of it but then Spider-Man 4 happened and the special presentation Punisher movie (which happened BECAUSE he's in Spider-Man 4, guaranteed) and they lost him... so they were left with this Punisher-sized hole in things. And they probably largely put KAREN into that role, and you can kind of tell.

The Bullseye diner scene in episode 4(?) of season 2 was cool too but this show has a difficult time keeping my attention from scene to scene.

And what was even the point of that scene, other than to basically make mincemeat out of ICE for the audience? It didn't connect to anything else, it didn't take us anywhere furthering the story.

[nidza_maj2000]

So if we remove season 1 episode 5 nothing would change for rest of series

[Andrew NDB]

So if we remove season 1 episode 5 nothing would change for rest of series

If you remove 90% of the show nothing would change for the rest of the series because there isn't anything going on.

What even is the "arc" for Daredevil/Matt Murdock in this? Can anyone tell me? There really isn't one. If anything, he's gone backwards.

[nidza_maj2000]

If you remove 90% of the show nothing would change for the rest of the series because there isn't anything going on.

What even is the "arc" for Daredevil/Matt Murdock in this? Can anyone tell me? There really isn't one. If anything, he's gone backwards.

If this gets season 4 maybe they will hire new showrunners, would you like that maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

If this gets season 4

It won't. Nobody is watching it, it's not making a single chart and if season 3 hadn't already been greenlit before season 2 came out then it would surely be cancelled now. They killed it by not hiring writers.

[nidza_maj2000]

We will see how Punisher One Last Kill special presentation turns out next week, I know this is not Daredevil related but still

[Daytona]

Yeah at this rate it will likely end at season 3 and we’ll see Daredevil incorporated into some type of “Marvel Knights” movie with a few other financial rejects. Maybe even Midnight Sons.

[ToTheNines]

I try to not have big opinions about anything without actually watching/reading it, but this sounds really awful. So sad to what the MCU has become. I’ve been dabbling and staying half-interested for the past 6 years, but I will be truly done after Secret Wars.

[Andrew NDB]

I try to not have big opinions about anything without actually watching/reading it, but this sounds really awful. So sad to what the MCU has become. I’ve been dabbling and staying half-interested for the past 6 years, but I will be truly done after Secret Wars.

It's a little bit heartbreaking, honestly. Going back to the Netflix shows, even when the MCU was still GOOD and in the middle of Phase II or Phase III, I would have traded all of those movies away just for the Daredevil and Punisher shows and even maybe Jessica Jones season 1 at Netflix. They were THAT good.

Now? Now Disney has revivified the Netflix bunch but has just cheaply thrown them to their "house" sh**ty writers. It retroactively even harms the Netflix shows. And now there's not one thing I care about or am looking forward to at Marvel except maybe the Punisher movie, or Spider-Man 4.

[Galactus]

Yeah at this rate it will likely end at season 3 and we’ll see Daredevil incorporated into some type of “Marvel Knights” movie with a few other financial rejects. Maybe even Midnight Sons.

Midnight Sons has been in development for a while. It was supposed to be the event movie that most of the post Endgame movies would lead up to, back when that era was supposed to be more magic/supernatural. Then DC wanted to do Flaspoint and Marvel decided they needed to beat to the punch of a multiverse story.

A Marvel Knights movie would honestly be great, and should have happened already. A good place to put Shang-chi, Moon Knight and honestly a better place for Yelena. Include some of the Netflix characters in a street level story would've been awesome.

[Andrew NDB]

Midnight Sons has been in development for a while.

Has it, though? I kind of figured it died during the great Marvel belt-tightening/purge during that last strike. And if it didn't, then the Thunderbolts flopping hard probably scared Marvel away from weirdo/lower tier character team-up movies for the foreseeable future.

[Galactus]

Has it, though? I kind of figured it died during the great Marvel belt-tightening/purge during that last strike. And if it didn't, then the Thunderbolts flopping hard probably scared Marvel away from weirdo/lower tier character team-up movies for the foreseeable future.

Possibly dropped - it was already on the back burner. I know Ghost Rider has never had a successful movie but I think the general movie going audience seems to like Cumberbatch as Strange, Blade still carries a certain amount of cultural cache. Team them up, throw in a guest appearance from an MCU stalwart, I bet it'd do better than Not-Thunderbolts.

[Andrew NDB]

I know Ghost Rider has never had a successful movie

Ghost Rider 1 was successful enough to get a sequel.

[nidza_maj2000]

We might also get Kamala in season 3, here: https://x.com/cosmic_marvel/status/2058206258075713846

[ZariusTwo]

We might also get Kamala in season 3, here: https://x.com/cosmic_marvel/status/2058206258075713846

That'd be surprising considering her actress has been criticising Marvel lately for how Ms. Marvel is written in the comics

[nidza_maj2000]

That'd be surprising considering her actress has been criticising Marvel lately for how Ms. Marvel is written in the comics

She could still appear maybe, it would be miss opportunity if she was on set and not have any role because her father appeared in season 1

[Autbot_Benz]

We might also get Kamala in season 3, here: https://x.com/cosmic_marvel/status/2058206258075713846

Cosmic marvel makes up a lot of nonsense so don’t believe anything they post

[CyberCubed]

I just watched the finale, how did Frisk not go to jail after killing a bunch of people in cold blood in front of everyone? I thought the whole part of him snapping and having a meltdown killing all the Dardevil protestors meant everyone would finally see him for what he was and go full supervillain.

How the hell did he get away with that yet Daredevil himself gets arrested at the end????

[Autbot_Benz]

Elodie Yung is back as Elektra

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/daredevil/daredevil-born-again-season-3-set-photos-feature-hd-look-at-elodie-yungs-elektra-in-her-new-costume-a228469

[Andrew NDB]

I really wish I didn't know the writing is going to be god awful again, because there's a lot of great things going on here. Elektra back, Bullseye finally getting a proper Bullseye costume, whatever is going on with the Defenders (Iron Fist probably finally getting a costume?).

I just watched the finale, how did Frisk not go to jail after killing a bunch of people in cold blood in front of everyone? I thought the whole part of him snapping and having a meltdown killing all the Dardevil protestors meant everyone would finally see him for what he was and go full supervillain.

How the hell did he get away with that yet Daredevil himself gets arrested at the end????

I'm not even sure what Daredevil was charged with? Beyond vigilanteeing without signing the Sekovia Accords or whatever, if that's even still a thing in the MCU. It's laughable, but Fisk could definitely claim self defense, that the mob made him feel afraid for his life. And it's not like he used any weapons or anything.

[Andrew NDB]

Damn... the there goes that potential return. Unless she already did "something" in secret.

https://www.ign.com/articles/daredevil-and-the-defenders-madame-gao-actress-wai-ching-ho-dies-aged-83

[MikeandRaph87]

O only recently had time to sit down and watch the final episode of the season. One thing that I don't understand ( and it seems to be a common question around the Net) is would the deal to renounce citizenship and go into exile be valid after he threw a tantrum and killed ten people in a crowd of rioters? The deal was before not after. O understand it's setting up a storyarc Devil in Cell Block D, but Matt going to jail for numerous assault charges while Kingpin gets exiled?

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus, Spider-Man: Brand New Day sure didn't do The Hand any favors, leading up to season 3 of this show and Elektra's return.

The Hand in the movie is apparently revealed to only be about 10 remaining/surviving foot soldier ninjas who are "leaderless" and end up working for... eh... a US government office in New York? As security?

Yeesh! Hardly the big and scary organization we saw in the old Daredevil show. And if Elektra reassumes leadership of it (though I'm not sure why she'd lose such if she didn't die at the end of Defenders?) there, eh, isn't much to reassume?

One thing that I don't understand ( and it seems to be a common question around the Net) is would the deal to renounce citizenship and go into exile be valid after he threw a tantrum and killed ten people in a crowd of rioters? The deal was before not after. O understand it's setting up a storyarc Devil in Cell Block D, but Matt going to jail for numerous assault charges while Kingpin gets exiled?

As I've posted here already, no, it doesn't make any sense for Matt to go to jail unless he broke some Sekovia Accords thing (assuming that is even still a thing in the MCU? who knows) and didn't register as a vigilante. But I'd imagine it wouldn't be too tough for the Kingpin to get off on what happened throughout those courtroom halls with the rioters as "self defense." Since he could easily claim they were all attacking him (that's kind of what they were all publicly there for, was it not?) and he wasn't using any weapons or anything.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.ign.com/articles/she-ended-on-a-really-great-note-jessica-henwick-says-shes-turned-down-returning-as-colleen-wing-in-daredevil-born-again-season-3

lol... this is hysterical. Like, what?

"I'm not in this season," Henwick told Inverse. "We did have discussions about whether I should go back this season. But for me, her story ended with her going off into the sunset. She has the Iron Fist. She's got Misty by her side. Daughters of the Dragon is happening. She ended on a really great note."

So Jessica Henwick turned down the Awkwafina role in Shang-Chi juuust in case it might hurt her chances of one day playing Colleen Wing... and then 5 years later the opportunity finally comes in Daredevil: Born Again season 3 and she says "No"? Because Colleen's story is already over?

Obviously the truth must be that the part the Born Again hacktivists had in mind for her was something sooo small and/or insulting she wouldn't consider it.

[oldmanwinters]

I was greatly impressed with Spider-man’s accomplishments between his last two movies. He basically cleaned up organized crime in NYC!

[Andrew NDB]

So it sounds like Echo will be appearing in season 3.

I'm actually all for it. I hope nothing too big, but anything that would make sitting through that awful show something other than a waste of time would be good.

Of course, again, these writers on Born Again are nowhere near the quality of the Netflix ones and not far off of about how stupid the Echo writers were. It may even be some of the same writers, for all I know.

[Andrew NDB]

Cancelled:
https://www.ign.com/articles/daredevil-born-again-will-reportedly-end-with-season-3-showrunner-departs-amidst-post-production?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=6ab19e572725240001c70f4b&fbclid=IwY2xjawUehYxwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjEwAGJyaWQRM WpESXFGTjdWaVZ6SnIwY0FzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg 4MjAwODkyAAEeaZyWo0AntbaJR2UolndM3ALWJGB1nTwO2zjmD 0vLEnL4KJqmwO5Orpc8UiI_aem_SfnmTcyN9QCDdszQZGEt0g

Also, the showrunner, Dario Scardapane, departed in the post-production of season 3, which was not designed as a series finale. That's not a good sign.

[MikeandRaph87]

A little late to the news...I have mixed feelings. The first and 8th episodes were good, though I could have done with Foggy's death being a fakeout. The original redux is not good, I had no interest in the new characters and wanted more of Karen, Foggy, and Kingpin. The lighting speed rush to making Kingpin mayor was jarring. The second season was better because we could see a closer story to the Netflix series with Dario Scardapane. It was okay not great. I could nitpick a few things, but mainly resolution to remove Kingpin from office and putting Daredevil in a situation to be behind bars makes little sense especially after Kingpin outright murdered 10 people after the plea deal exile ordered by the governor defied even comic logic.How Daredevil treats Bullseye after all he has done gives me Batman/Joker vibes. Vanessa's role was seen a mile away and the television exclusive twist of Heather Glenn was going from victim to replacing her serial killing stalker was too. I did get a kick out of the Karen/Heather confrontation in the second to last episode. Hopefully unlike the comics Karen is allowed to live. I just wish we could have gotten more costumed villainy.

I just don't understand Dario Scardapane walked away before post-production was completed. This seems to seal the show's fate for the better or worse, but it would also seem like he had disagreement with how the show was to conclude for the season or series. Just a questionable time to walk before the job is done.

[Andrew NDB]

That last season was just so stupid. Empty-headed, designed as just some kind of catharsis for people angry at Trump and ICE and nothing for the characters there.

Apparently there are reshoots underway to give the 3rd season's finale more of a series finale vibe. And with Dario gone I wonder who is even in charge of it?

[MikeandRaph87]

That last season was just so stupid. Empty-headed, designed as just some kind of catharsis for people angry at Trump and ICE and nothing for the characters there.

Apparently there are reshoots underway to give the 3rd season's finale more of a series finale vibe. And with Dario gone I wonder who is even in charge of it?

I cannot disagree with the fact it was a catharsis against for Anti-Trump people.

As for who will oversee reshoots and post-production, Kevin Fiege?

[Andrew NDB]

This show could have redeemed so much at Marvel, it's sad. So much potential. Very, very upsetting.