What REAL Proof do they actually have on Trump?

[Andrew NDB]

But it's Biden's own lawyer who brought this forward originally. Unless Biden knew the Republicans would be coming for him on this shortly and wanted to get ahead of it, that wouldn't make much sense.

[Vegita-San]

I think it’s obvious why these documents in his possession have come to light. My guess it’s to lessen the outrage when the powers that be tell the world that there is nothing they can do to Trump because of his mishandling of classified materials. The narrative will be something like everyone does it and we need to be better at shoring this kind of thing up going forward. Let Biden and Trump off the hook and then neither side can really go too ape-$h!t over any of it. Who knows at this point?

not so, according to this article. they are gunning for him now. I best he's been seen as too 'mentally gone' too be president
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-s-irresponsible-handling-of-classified-docs-bigger-leakage-risk-than-trump-s-experts-say/ar-AA16lDeT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f41ef39c9b6b4c0b957f05089e2e867a

[joe-eyeball]

But it's Biden's own lawyer who brought this forward originally. Unless Biden knew the Republicans would be coming for him on this shortly and wanted to get ahead of it, that wouldn't make much sense.

You just said it yourself! They found the crap and knew that rather than try and hide it just come out with it because if you get nabbed then you’re screwed!

[joe-eyeball]

not so, according to this article. they are gunning for him now. I best he's been seen as too 'mentally gone' too be president
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-s-irresponsible-handling-of-classified-docs-bigger-leakage-risk-than-trump-s-experts-say/ar-AA16lDeT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f41ef39c9b6b4c0b957f05089e2e867a

You know it that ultimately all of this will lead to absolutely nothing. And it doesn’t matter what some “expert” says in a random article. It only matters what the DOJ will do and that will be nada!!!

[IMJ]

I don't think so. Nobody in the left even seems to like Kamala. At least, not anymore.

You don't have to "like" the diversity hire. That's the whole point of the diversity hire. It's a skilless entry done purely for agenda and optics.

[Galactus]

The odds of any tax evasion are slim to none. The left continues to have this really bizarre idea that come every tax season, Trump himself is like huddled over his books in a dark room alone, cooking up lies and schemes to illegally avoid taxes. And not just, you know, every year Trump hiring and having the best most competent tax law attorneys money can buy doing his taxes for him, using every legal caveat available.

And even if they did find something dodgy which I doubt, Trump could just sue whatever tax law attorneys prepared his taxes for whatever year. It'd be like paying H&R Block to do your taxes one year and it turns out one year they accidentally stiffed the government for a bunch of money, or they forgot to include one of the W2s you gave them. That isn't on you, that's on H&R Block.

This is really very simple stuff.

It's true that the ultra rich have their people find legal loop holes to avoid paying tax however very often this simply isn't enough for them and they just flat out commit tax fraud. A good example of this is last year many of Trump's businesses were found guilty of tax fraud. While Trump may escape culpability for that since he wasn't technically running them at the time it shows he isn't averse to breaking tax laws so I wouldn't be too certain his methods for avoiding tax are entirely legal. While I still believe that he wont be indicted for anything I still hold that if they are going to get him for something it will some kind of financial fraud as opposed to the more salacious stuff we know he's done. Even if it's not tax fraud the returns could well point the way to were to investigate...such as all the foreign accounts he has in dodgy places.

My thoughts on that are simply this: if the riots that occurred during the summer of 2020 protests were mostly peaceful then so was January 6th. The overwhelming majority of people that were there outside the Capital on that day didn’t do anything destructive, as is true for the summer protests. That’s not to say we should disregard any wrongdoing that took place in either case, but you’d have to be brain dead to either not see or just blatantly ignore the hypocrisy of all of this.

You're talking about BLM protests, right? If so I'd point out that while some of those protests turned to riots no one was ever killed during them...with exception of the people Kyle Rittenhouse killed but he wasn't a protester. January 6th was never planned as just a protest a good number of them had planned to storm the capital from the beginning. We now know that some of Trump's people were even involved in planning it. Part of that plan was to kill any significant opposition as well as threaten Pence with death unless he certified Trump. Sure, some people may have thought it was just a protest and I suspect some others probably felt it was just a huge larp and wouldn't happen but that's a huge different from any BLM or Antifa protest and/or riot.

I'm no fan of biden, but doesn't this seem a bit....convenient? and now the MSM is reporting on impeachment.

I don't think any documents have been planted as some suggest. This all started with Biden's people finding a small number of classified documents from when he was VP in his offices and he informed the FBI. He's co-operating with the investigation for both documents found in his office and his garage. He may not be like Trump who screams and shouts that it's all witch hunt and he's completely innocent but if this was an actual stitch up I'm sure he'd be denying he and his people had anything to do with it not playing it off as an oversight.

aaaand it begins. watch them try too remove him o ver this and install the 'first female president'. who will undoubtably be under even a tigher leash than he was, being even dumber.

The belief among the alt right that Democrats deliberately pushed for Biden as their candidate so they could he could mysteriously die in office and they could install their first woman and woman of colour as president is dumb but at least it has some internal logic to it. The idea that they would oust Biden in disgrace and damage the reputation of their party that would almost certainly cost them the next election. All so Kamala could be president for a year. Anyone who believes that is an idiot.

[Cowabung-Gal]

You're talking about BLM protests, right? If so I'd point out that while some of those protests turned to riots no one was ever killed during them...with exception of the people Kyle Rittenhouse killed but he wasn't a protester.

You must’ve not have heard of David Dorn, then. Or David Patrick Underwood. Or Chris Beaty. Or Marvin Francois.

19 people were killed during the 2020 BLM protests.

I remember hearing about David Dorn’s murder and feeling disgusted over it. Apparently his life mattered less than a couple of TVs. And he was killed by a “brother” too.

[Galactus]

You must’ve not have heard of David Dorn, then. Or David Patrick Underwood. Or Chris Beaty. Or Marvin Francois.

19 people were killed during the 2020 BLM protests.

I remember hearing about David Dorn’s murder and feeling disgusted over it. Apparently his life mattered less than a couple of TVs. And he was killed by a “brother” too.

I worded it poorly but I stand by that if people are looting they are taking advantage of the protests/riots they are clearly not taking part in the protests themselves. If people here are trying to make a distinction between the people that actually went inside the Capital Building and those that were left outside as being innocent I think the same applies here. The only difference I would draw is that the majority of the people in DC knew the plan was to literally overthrow the government and threaten the life Pence unless he co-operated. I can buy that some of them didn't believe it or take it seriously but the majority clearly did whether they got inside the building or not.

[Vegita-San]

The belief among the alt right that Democrats deliberately pushed for Biden as their candidate so they could he could mysteriously die in office and they could install their first woman and woman of colour as president is dumb but at least it has some internal logic to it. The idea that they would oust Biden in disgrace and damage the reputation of their party that would almost certainly cost them the next election. All so Kamala could be president for a year. Anyone who believes that is an idiot.

I'm not alt right, and it makes perfect sense too me.

the democrats are CONSUMED by identity politics. they don't see it as damaging, they see it as pushing a 'troubled white patriarchy out of the way'...and stunning and bold. no one on the left will be lamenting that biden is gone, when they have their brand new shiny woman black president to woo over.

[Galactus]

I'm not alt right, and it makes perfect sense too me.

the democrats are CONSUMED by identity politics. they don't see it as damaging, they see it as pushing a 'troubled white patriarchy out of the way'...and stunning and bold. no one on the left will be lamenting that biden is gone, when they have their brand new shiny woman black president to woo over.

The majority of the democratic establishment don't want to crush the white patriarchy they ARE the white patriarchy. Most Democrats politicians don't care for identity politics other than when they can use it to motivate voters. Don't get me wrong they love the good optics of having the first black president and the first members of several racial, ethnic and sexual minorities in high office and the like but that doesn't actually motivate them. Think of how hard they pulled for Biden to be their 2016 candidate. Crusty old white centrist that moderate Republicans that Trump alienated can feel safe voting for. Ironically that's playing a different kind of identity politics dipping into the kind Republicans often use.

Is Biden in on the plan or an unwitting dupe? After running for president so many times is he perfectly okay with being ousted in disgrace with his reputation permanently tarnished? Is Kamala Harris okay with being president for a year before being trounced by Desantis or even Trump because voters would be very wary of any democratic candidate. Studies has shown that Comey's eleventh hour speech about Hillary's email were he basically said "she didn't break the law but she could have been more careful" actually swayed enough people on the fence to tip the election in Trump's favour. Do you think they'd want that again?

C'mon this is qanon level delusion.

[Vegita-San]

what the f*** is Q'anon?

of COURSE they don't care about identity politics. they are hypocrits. but they get hypnotized by it like a drugy....so soon all common sense goes out the window. look at all these idiots complaining about jk rowling and the harry potter game. same thing. deep down they probably don't care..and will even buy the game to get their potter fix. but they are so far down the rabbit hole, they can't help but act that way.

democrats are the same.

[Cowabung-Gal]

what the f*** is Q'anon?

The ones who made half the country racist and caused climate change.

They’re like a fringe minority of the Right who say extreme things, but unlike their leftist counterparts the woke mob, they aren’t allowed a platform. They’re also the Democrats’ favorite scapegoats.

[ChosenOne]

The ones who made half the country racist (...)

Obama's QAnon?

[Bahamut810]

I worded it poorly but I stand by that if people are looting they are taking advantage of the protests/riots they are clearly not taking part in the protests themselves. If people here are trying to make a distinction between the people that actually went inside the Capital Building and those that were left outside as being innocent I think the same applies here. The only difference I would draw is that the majority of the people in DC knew the plan was to literally overthrow the government and threaten the life Pence unless he co-operated. I can buy that some of them didn't believe it or take it seriously but the majority clearly did whether they got inside the building or not.

Wait...so are we doing the "No true Scottsman" or not? Why is it appropriate to say that looters were not protesters then in the next breath say that Jan6th protester were all there to overthrow the government? "No true protester would loot"...BS. Complete BS. The protesters were all about stealing and destroying everything not theirs. It is much more reasonable to assume you are wrong about the "majority" of the people during Jan6th were there to overthrow the government. It seems like, with the amount of guns that we have in the country the people in possession of the guns would have brought them if they planned to overthrow the government.

Hell..."protesters" actually created a no-go Autonomous Zone where they laid siege to a federal courthouse and destroyed a police department while covering up rapes and murders and shaking down local businesses. Why should people going into the capital building for an hour or so be treated any different then everyone in CHAZ?

[joe-eyeball]

Wait...so are we doing the "No true Scottsman" or not? Why is it appropriate to say that looters were not protesters then in the next breath say that Jan6th protester were all there to overthrow the government? "No true protester would loot"...BS. Complete BS. The protesters were all about stealing and destroying everything not theirs. It is much more reasonable to assume you are wrong about the "majority" of the people during Jan6th were there to overthrow the government. It seems like, with the amount of guns that we have in the country the people in possession of the guns would have brought them if they planned to overthrow the government.

Hell..."protesters" actually created a no-go Autonomous Zone where they laid siege to a federal courthouse and destroyed a police department while covering up rapes and murders and shaking down local businesses. Why should people going into the capital building for an hour or so be treated any different then everyone in CHAZ?

Exactly what I basically laid out in previous posts. That guy loves to cherry pick from others posts to try to limp his way to make piss-poor points and ignores what someone is actually saying. He has reading comprehension problems!

[Bahamut810]

Exactly what I basically laid out in previous posts. That guy loves to cherry pick from others posts to try to limp his way to make piss-poor points and ignores what someone is actually saying. He has reading comprehension problems!

Sorry if I stepped on your toes! I was sort of skimming an I noticed G-dawg uttering the name of Saint Kyle Rittenhouse (Victim of 'Peaceful Protestor' violence and Patron Saint of Self Defense) so thought I would read it. I noticed the quality of the arguments and thought I would comment.

to steal and reuse his terms "C'mon this is antifa level delusion."

[joe-eyeball]

Sorry if I stepped on your toes! I was sort of skimming an I noticed G-dawg uttering the name of Saint Kyle Rittenhouse (Victim of 'Peaceful Protestor' violence and Patron Saint of Self Defense) so thought I would read it. I noticed the quality of the arguments and thought I would comment.

to steal and reuse his terms "C'mon this is antifa level delusion."

No you’re not stepping on my toes at all! I’m in total agreement with you. It wasn’t your reading comprehension I was referring to. It was Galactus

[Galactus]

what the f*** is Q'anon?

It's a conspiracy theory very popular among the MAGAs. Basically it goes that the majority of the democrat party including the Obamas, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi etc as well as every liberal Hollywood celebrity including Tom Hanks, John Legend and Chrissy Tiegen were all part of a global satanic pedophile ring which sacrificed children in weird rituals to drink their blood.

Their belief was the reason Trump's then tenure as president was so chaotic wasn't because he had no idea what he was doing but because he fighting a one-man war against these evil satan worshiping pedophiles. A guy called Q who claimed to be someone high up in the Trump regime started posting on 4chan (yes really) confirming this. He would routinely post gibberish akin to horoscopes that tons of people took as predictions. Mostly about the day when Trump would declare martial law and have arrests of the entirety of the democrat party and almost all Hollywood celebrities.. The date came and then...nothing happened so they kept revising it.

Sadly this grew way beyond a fringe movement and at one point most registered Republicans believed in at least some of this insanity. Even after Trump lost because Q was promising them Trump had a plan they thought he would seize power via the military or something. That was one of the big reasons for January 6th. Most of the insurrectionists were believers of this nonsense. Not only did they have Trump telling them to "fight like dogs" which they took as him telling them to do it and they had these Q drops telling them that he definitely wanted them to storm the capital. They felt safe to do it because they believed that once Trump seized control they'd all be pardoned.

of COURSE they don't care about identity politics. they are hypocrits. but they get hypnotized by it like a drugy....so soon all common sense goes out the window. look at all these idiots complaining about jk rowling and the harry potter game. same thing. deep down they probably don't care..and will even buy the game to get their potter fix. but they are so far down the rabbit hole, they can't help but act that way.

democrats are the same.

So the democrat party don't believe in things but pursue them anyway. To point (as you believe) they are willing to disgrace one of their more distinguished politicians and blow up their own party. Why would they do this? What do they hope to achieve?

Exactly what I basically laid out in previous posts. That guy loves to cherry pick from others posts to try to limp his way to make piss-poor points and ignores what someone is actually saying. He has reading comprehension problems!

It was you drew the comparison between the January 6th insurrectionists and the various BLM protests. You made the distinction between the insurrectionists who actually entered the Capital building vs the ones who were left outside. By that logic I we should also draw a distinction between a BLMer that was just protesting and the few that turned to looting.

It's a pretty poor comparison to make anyway. I'm sure when protests on issues like marching against the police killing black people are being organised there is probably a sad realisation it could get out of hand and become violent but no one organising it plans for it to happen. The events of January 6th were 100% planned even by people in Trump regime. The plan was to break into the Capital building and force Mike Pence to certify Trump instead of Biden. That's the huge distinction that we should draw between Jan 6th and the various BLM protests.

[Sumac]

So the democrat party don't believe in things but pursue them anyway. To point (as you believe) they are willing to disgrace one of their more distinguished politicians and blow up their own party. Why would they do this? What do they hope to achieve?
Clout and money, dear boy.

Do you think all priests believe in Christian dogma or all Scientologists believe in their nonsense? Of course not, but if there is profit to be found it might be worthy to support the "cause", even if individual understands that they are supporting non-sensical ********.

Haven't you seen Hollywood movies lately? Some of them explicitly marketed as being "progressive", which is mostly not the case, even though its known that: those movies are nothing special, it just triggers pointless wars in Internet and it actually can tank a movie. From the point of view of producer, its basically worthless and damaging. But they do it anyway. Ask yourself "why"?

Think beyond your "progressivism for dummies" rulebook for once. Humans are not purely good and evil and far more complex than your guidebook tells you.

It's a pretty poor comparison to make anyway. I'm sure when protests on issues like marching against the police killing black people are being organised there is probably a sad realisation it could get out of hand and become violent but no one organising it plans for it to happen. The events of January 6th were 100% planned even by people in Trump regime. The plan was to break into the Capital building and force Mike Pence to certify Trump instead of Biden. That's the huge distinction that we should draw between Jan 6th and the various BLM protests.
Creating autonomous zones is also part of the protests? Supporting riots and claiming they are "mostly peaceful", when some of them were explicitly not is not comparable to so called "insurrection", when bunch of idiots went into the Capitol, made selfies and were kicked out?

If anything, so called "Insurrection" made much less damage, than "peaceful protests" and somehow killed less Blacks in the process (if you believe that all participants were Racists or Nazis or whatever boogieman your ideology pushes on top today).

And by the way, supporting and fueling riots, with explicit purpose of ousting current President, is basically a treason in itself. It is one step away from going a full scale Civil War, so I'd say BLM was worse that January 6th. On all accounts.

[Vegita-San]

So, basically the tin foil hat people that folks USED too ignore. But, now we give them a fancy name and used them for political agenda. Got it.

trump never said fight like dogs.
He knew something was fishy...somehow biden gained alot of votes fast over a short period of time. and thanks too mail in voiting, no one really knew what was going on.

>>
— “We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

— “We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that.”

— “Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.” The crowd repeatedly chanted “Fight for Trump!” “Thank you,” Trump said.

>>

The Dems do it, because they want too drum up support over the weak, and the stupid....and those that feel like they've been ostricized. but it's never enough, and they dig in deeper.....and whether they believe it or not, they are trapped...because if they back peddle, they will loose whatever small amount of votes they gained going crazy. very simple logic.

once a gain, trump was right. look how long it took biden too destroy the nation. supply problems... leaving troops in afghanistan.... leaving an american soldier behind in russia while rescuing a basketball player that hates america... trading a very dangerous prisoner for her too boot. the list goes on.

[Andrew NDB]

Even MORE classified documents found in Biden's houses:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents/index.html

[IMJ]

Even MORE classified documents found in Biden's houses:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents/index.html

Should have it's own thread instead of being buried in a Trump thread.

[Cowabung-Gal]

So now that Antifa has caused quite a stir in Atlanta over the weekend and that the daughter of a House Democrat has been arrested for punching a cop, will the mainstream media finally admit that Antifa is real and not just “an idea”?

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[ChosenOne]

Even MORE classified documents found in Biden's houses:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents/index.html

Ah, this must be the sequel to "Mr. Hair Sniffer Goes to Washington": "Mr. Hair Sniffer's No-Good, Very Bad Several Days"...

[IMJ]

This thread has become a catch-all for the leftist nonsense that we associate now with the last several years. All of that stuff should have it's own thread, or bare minimum a "Leftist Insanity" thread.

[Stephen]

It seems that he expects to be arrested next week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65000325

Donald Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday and has urged his supporters to launch mass protests.

However his lawyer said there had been no communication from law enforcement and the former president's post was based on media reports.

Prosecutors have been looking at a possible indictment of Mr Trump. Reports say it could come next week.

If he is indicted, it would be the first criminal case ever brought against a former US president.

This case focuses on alleged hush money paid on Mr Trump's behalf by his lawyer to former porn star Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election.

It is one of several cases in which the 76-year-old is currently being investigated, although he has not yet been charged in any and denies wrongdoing in each.

[ChosenOne]

Even if he is arrested, it'll never last and it'll never stick. They can't even get him for jaywalking, and damn, have they tried... Leftards must be really desperate if this is how they plan to steal another election from Trump.

[TurtleManiac]

NY DA Letitia James has dropped the case against Trump

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ny-attorney-general-letitia-james-says-manhattan-case-against-trump-will-unfortunately-have-to-be-adjourned-pending-federal-case/

I’m sure there will be more witch hunts. They’ll probably keep this going all the way leading up to the election.

[Mayhem]

No, that isn’t what it says. All other pending or current cases against Trump are being adjourned until the one in Miami about the documents is resolved.