What REAL Proof do they actually have on Trump? [Archive]

Leo656

11-07-2022, 02:52 PM

Andrew NDB

11-07-2022, 03:10 PM

Anybody who'd vote for him at this point is officially a racist, homophobic, Bible-thumping woman-hater because those are the ones banging the loudest drum for the guy. And if THOSE are the guys I see overwhelmingly surrounding me, I'm crossing the f*cking street like anyone with any moral compass would. "Show me your friends and I will show you who YOU are."

Trump definitely wouldn't be anywhere near my top pick (or even "a good idea," unless strictly in terms of "at least he'd be better than 4 more years of Biden/Harris") but this is crazy. And as I've said before, I'd always be delighted to have bible-thumper neighbors vs. world-angry, blue-haired crybaby freaks, any day of the week. It's not even a tough call.

Leo656

11-07-2022, 03:19 PM

Trump definitely wouldn't be anywhere near my top pick (or even "a good idea," unless strictly in terms of "at least he'd be better than 4 more years of Biden/Harris") but this is crazy.

Newp. His supporters have officially dropped all pretense and so have his peers. As someone firmly entrenched in the dead-center, anyone who would STILL hitch their wagon to that guy for ANY reason is a f*cking lunatic. Look at the sh*t he caused and instigated, and look how he still acts like it's all a big joke.

People are threatening to shoot and hang the vote-counters if the Republicans don't win the midterms. That's HIS fault. 65-year old ladies who just wanna make a few bucks counting ballots so they don't have to eat cat food for dinner, are having those Proud Boy scumbags stalk them and take pictures of their license plates and send them emails talking about hanging them. Again, HIS fault. "If we don't win, it's rigged, and if that happens GO HURT THEM." Even if he didn't blow the horn he did NOTHING to discourage it even when his own people were BEGGING him to shut that sh*t down. Instead, he stoked the flames like a f*cking idiot, and now this.

What's crazy is continuing to pretend this sh*t is a game, and that sh*t hasn't gone too far. Send the guy to Mars, let him sell another sh*tty book, what-the-f*ck EVER, but ONLY a f*cking total piece of sh*t would even CONSIDER backing that guy again, considering the current state of things and how much of it is All His Fault.

If a person willingly aligns themselves with Proven Scumbags because all they care about is their precious 401K, they can f*ck off this planet and let decent people eat their share. Enough Is Enough.

Leo656

11-07-2022, 03:28 PM

And as I've said before, I'd always be delighted to have bible-thumper neighbors vs. world-angry, blue-haired crybaby freaks, any day of the week. It's not even a tough call.

Which shows how incredibly bad your judgment is.

For one thing, those "blue-haired crybaby freaks" STATISTICALLY are NOT gonna molest or rape your kid, BUT the bible-thumpers would. You're okay with that? Again, it just shows that you haven't fully thought things through. Think Outside Your Box. Consider how people who aren't YOU have to try and manage in this world. Consider who the REAL "Greater Evil" is. People calling for a f*cking Christian Autocracy vs. a few guys in dresses? The guys in dresses aren't talking out loud about banning f*cking birth control and same-sex marriage and forcing Jews and Mulsims to convert to Christianity if they want to stay in this country. People like Broebert and Greene are.

I get it, you hate women and gay people, you don't even pretend anymore. Just proves my point about how conservatives are no longer concerned one bit about saying the quiet part out loud.

You're on the wrong side and your values are poor. I like you a lot, you are an incredibly bright and talented person but as a big picture guy, you're not seeing it. You sincerely think a guy in a dress is a bigger threat than a politician who wants to create a world where God forbid your daughter gets raped she has to have the baby or even die giving birth to it. YOU SHOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH THAT.

Bottom line, people who actually believe in fairy tales and take advice from imaginary friends should NEVER have ANY positions of power, and if you sincerely think they are "the lesser of two evils", you're simply wrong.

More and more, I sincerely wonder if you have any empathy or concern whatsoever for anyone who isn't looking back at your from the mirror. Based on your history I'm forced to assume No. I'd love to be wrong, but I can only work with what you give me. I'll continue to hope you and others find enlightenment before you find out the hard way who the real Bad Guys are.

Prowler

11-07-2022, 03:44 PM

Another Trump thread? He's no longer president of your country. Let it go already.

Anyway, I can see why some people voted for him in 2016 as a lessar than two evils sort of option, but while it's understandable to be fooled once, shame on you if you get fooled twice.

Whenever I laughed it was always AT Trump and his stupid cultist supporters. I've never laughed with those clowns. **** that.

The pandemic really was a blessing in disguise, otherwise you guys would still have him as your president.

Still surreal that Trump became president of the United States. It was once funny, but now it's just sad.

Vegita-San

11-07-2022, 07:14 PM

Wow, uhm...ok.

all of this is not on him. it's on the democratic left that built up this insanity around him. But, I thought that was clear at this point.

to anyone with an actual question answer. I don't follow this stuff 24/7. that leads to insanity on the other side of the coin. But I do know they don't have anything on him yet. Wondering how close they got, if close at all on ANYTHING....

CyberCubed

11-07-2022, 07:30 PM

Everything Leo says is right. Anyway I doubt Trump will actually run again in 2024 anyway so the point is moot. He's not going to bother.

mrmaczaps

11-07-2022, 08:02 PM

Everything Leo says is right. Anyway I doubt Trump will actually run again in 2024 anyway so the point is moot. He's not going to bother.

Nothing Leo wrote is even remotely right. Its his OPINION. I'd rather have DeSantis run for President. Trump's ego got in his way of shutting his twitter off & just running the country.

2020 was a fraudulent election. Dems cheated. We all know it. Leftists rioted for 4 years under Trump. Burned a chunk of DC in 2016. Yet the lunatic left still thinks Jan 6th means anything at all. No weapons charges. The only person who died that day was a female, unarmed veteran. Murdered by a pos black dc cop.

Leo656

11-07-2022, 08:42 PM

F*ck yall talkin' about I'm always right, it just takes a while for people to realize it sometimes.

Don't forget I exist in 52 parallel timelines at once, a lotta this sh*t already happened at least once or twice and that's why I'm so ahead of the curve. I just get a little disoriented sometimes and forget where/when I've manifested at any given time. Regardless, if it comes from me you can etch it in stone, every time.

1987

11-07-2022, 08:56 PM

Can't the fact that he's an immature, unrepentant, sh*t-stirring asshole who single-handedly created a scenario where half the goddamn country wants to secede be enough to disqualify him, even without any legal snags even being necessary?

Look, I had a laugh for 4 years, I admit it. But it's all gone way too far now. I formally concede that it was more harm than good, I had no idea things were going to get so far out of hand. Knowing what we know NOW I cannot believe such a petulant f*cking child ever had the launch codes. It's insane. Almost as insane as the idea of giving him a second swing. ARE YOU NUTS?!

Anybody who'd vote for him at this point is officially a racist, homophobic, Bible-thumping woman-hater because those are the ones banging the loudest drum for the guy. And if THOSE are the guys I see overwhelmingly surrounding me, I'm crossing the f*cking street like anyone with any moral compass would. "Show me your friends and I will show you who YOU are."

It's not like I vote anyway because corporations pick the President, votes do not. But enough is enough, it isn't funny anymore. If the Republicans can scrounge up a candidate that isn't a complete visible colostomy bag of a human being for 2024, good for 'em. If it's Trump again, we are ALL better off dead.

Enough with the "LoL libz so mad" sh*t. It was funny before we were on the brink of global war thanks to his idiot scissor-f*ck partner over in Russia. It's not funny anymore.

You forgot bigot, nazi, thug, con-man, bully, fascist, mysogonist, narcissist, white supremacist, hitler :lol:

Why so late to the party? Being a never-trumper nowadays seems a bit more taboo than it did 2-4 years ago now that we’ve seen how extreme the woke agenda has gotten. Now you prefer the party that forced people to take an unsafe injection or lose their jobs?

You’ve just insulted half the country saying anyone who votes Trump is a “woman-hater”. But you’re ok letting “men in dresses” in women’s sports and having that testosterone advantage is not insulting to women? C0ck&balls do NOT belong in the womens/girls dressing room. What if it was your wife, sister, or daughter changing in there and then the “Ma’amdalorian” walks in? There was an article a few months ago about a “trans woman” changing in a swimming pool dressing room with c0ck&balls hanging out exposed to all the women and little girls in there. An older lady had made a complaint about this to the staff there and ended up losing her membership there for being transphobic.

Don’t let it get to you. Politics can be very disappointing and stressful which is why I kinda don’t care much about politics anymore as I did just a few months ago. It gets stressful and not like we can do anything to change the NWO agenda, but even in my worst bouts of Biden Derangement Syndrome I never let it get to the point of suicidal thoughts or wanting the world to end. Saying things like “they should nuke us” or “we’re all better off dead if Drumpf wins again” is extremely unhealthy. Life is precious. Don’t do it man!

Leo656

11-07-2022, 09:26 PM

You’ve just insulted half the country saying anyone who votes Trump is a “woman-hater”. But you’re ok letting “men in dresses” in women’s sports and having that testosterone advantage is not insulting to women?

Nope. 100% against that. If THAT is your most important issue then you've got problems and don't pay any attention to the larger world. So... most conservatives. "Not my yard, not my problem." That gets people far, sure.

But the stupid trans sh*t is small potatoes either way versus people who are talking about making the entire country a Christo-fascist police state where teenage girls have to report their periods to a government clerk, gay marriage is banned, women have to be dying of f*cking sepsis before they can be treated for a miscarriage, and armed thugs with no official business being there are harassing poll workers. Get your head out of the sand and realize who the real Bad Guys are.

There is no such thing as Absolute Evil. Sometimes one side is more full of sh*t, then the tide shifts. Right now, in THIS moment - NOT a year or two ago, I mean Right Now - the Republicans are SPECTACULARLY full of sh*t and they are outspoken about doing things that are going to do Real Harm.

Forget "The Jab", sh*t is old news. Jobs are back, if you can't get one you're a lazy prick using the shutdowns as an excuse. Sh*t was two years ago already, they're paying people out the ass to come back to work, jab or no jab. Don't like the jab policy at the place you wanna work? "Just go someplace else", like you guys tell all the women who wanna have reproductive health care. What, you mean your bullsh*t rhetoric only works in one direction and you don't wanna abide by the same standards you set for others? HAH, I'm f*cking shocked. BLM? Also old news. Quit living in the f*cking past.

You think the Republicans have ANY plan to "fix inflation"? Their pal Putin exacerbated it when he started a f*cking war for no damn reason other than his buddy Donnie told him "Go ahead, nobody's gonna stop you." You think Republicans care about the border? They've had decades to do something and they ain't done sh*t, it's a Permanent Campaign Issue for them, they LOVE an open border because it gives them something to screech about forever. All they have is a bunch of easily-disproven nonsense talking points that only the gullible and the stupid fall for. They have no platform, and they have no policy.

See, when you don't have "A Side", the stunningly stupid stuff that either side does becomes crystal clear. A year or so ago, the Democrats were way behind on Common Sense points. Now, the tide's shifted. I choose not to associate myself with people who want to ban books and treat women like livestock. YOU can, if you choose, but it absolutely makes you a bad person.

It's really simple, and it's less about "votes" because "votes" don't matter; corporations pick the politicians, the voting thing is just a census to see what policies people support and which ones they don't. What I pay attention to is what people say they believe in.

You wanna fall in lockstep behind people who want to take ACTUAL rights away? I don't mean "right to refuse a jab", you HAVE that right, you can refuse it and go work at McDonalds if you want to, suck it up buttercup, them's the breaks. No I'm talking about people who are saying out loud, Right Now, "Women have too many rights. Gay people have too many rights. Black people have too many rights. Let's 'revisit' some of that. Let's 'fix' some of that. Let's put these people 'back in their place'." That is, essentially, the platform the Republicans are putting forth.

If you are in favor of those ideas, you are a piece of sh*t, end of story. Justify it however you want. Actively campaigning and voting for the idea that certain people have too many rights and we need to start taking some back makes you a f*cking awful human being.

Coola Yagami

11-07-2022, 10:11 PM

I think part of the problem is the alternative is full of lunatics. Sure you and I will see people losing their rights as a bigger deal than 'guys in dresses' but many people do not. The Republicans overturning RvW and then having Biden promise he'll fix things if he's elected again should be a 125% sure fire win, but then the woke left keeps getting more and more embolden in what they can push and get away with.

I mean you got kids being talked into committing irreversible mutilation to their bodies, who then find out too late that A- it didn't make them happy and B- now their own side hates them and wishes them dead because them regretting their decision is 'against the narrative'.

I kinda wish all the evil and sick **** was 100% just one side and the other side was the 'sane' side, but we can't pick and choose.

I honestly wish an independent third party. I honestly cannot say I would ever want the Republicans to win, but I also don't want the Democrats in power either. I will say, if the Republicans end up winning, the Democrats have no one but themselves to blame.

Biden promising the make RvW a law if elected should be a slam dunk handed to him on a silver platter. Just tone down the wokeness for a while and then go balls-to-the-wall insane after Biden wins the second term. But no, they can't help themselves, and it might end up costing them the election.

Leo656

11-07-2022, 10:25 PM

I don't like "wokeness" but I like book banning, religious zealots who want to enforce a Christian Taliban, racists, and homophobes even less. That sh*t hurts WAY more people than "Jesus why are there so many blacks and gays on TV now?"

You gotta realize on any given day which battles are worth fighting and which ones are worth putting off to the side. And it shouldn't be hard.

When people talk about "stopping wokeness", 99% of it is "Too many gays and blacks now. Make it stop." And that's a stupid thing to care about MORE than who can get married and who can get health care and peoples' freedom to ignore religion if they're smart enough to realize there's no God. Sh*t annoys me too but I'm not gonna stand next to a bunch of Actual Racists and Homophobes just because I don't like that Alan Scott is gay now and that movies and TV shows have a minority quota. That sh*t is NOTHING but a minor annoyance, it's only a Hot-Button Issue for bigots, nobody else thinks it's worth more than a shrug and a sigh.

Meanwhile, anyone who shrugs and sighs whenever a hospital in Missouri or Texas tells a woman, "We can't treat your miscarriage, come back when you're bleeding out, sorry if the infection ruins your uterus so you can NEVER get pregnant again, States' Rights Bruh"... that right there is a scumbag. If you'd rather see fewer gays and blacks on your TV and think that's more important than women getting health care or people being allowed to marry whoever they want... you're a scumbag.

Life is not an all-or-nothing game. Lotta people right now just plain don't care if their bigotry shows, and that SHOULD bother a LOT more people than it does. But in its own way, it's nice. I like knowing who's worthless.

Cowabung-Gal

11-07-2022, 10:35 PM

Biden promising the make RvW a law if elected should be a slam dunk handed to him on a silver platter. Just tone down the wokeness for a while and then go balls-to-the-wall insane after Biden wins the second term. But no, they can't help themselves, and it might end up costing them the election.

Actually, with kids permanently castrating themselves because of the current “I hate my body” trend, who needs abortion? It takes care of overpopulation either way. And women were already being screwed before the RvW overturn since biological men could just waltz into their bathrooms or beat the crap out of them in their own sports as long as they just identified as women. In fact, no one can even define what a “woman” is without offending at least one weirdo and causing another civil war.

But right now, the majority of people don’t care about abortion or fighting for women’s rights (which haven’t really existed since the late 2010’s); people care about the ridiculous amount of money they have to pay for gas, groceries, and other essentials things. You know what Democrat Sen. Patrick Maloney said to those who were worried about feeding their families during inflation? “Just eat Chef Boyardee”.

So what if Biden does make RvW into law. Will that pay the bills or keep people warm during the winter or keep their stomachs full? No. Even dumb rats are smart enough to jump off a sinking ship, and the Democratic Party is sinking for sure.

Leo656

11-07-2022, 10:54 PM

Recessions and Inflation come and go. It's cyclical, neither party has any direct control over that. It's a global issue that ebbs and flows like the tide. If you think the guy in the White House directly affects the price of chicken nuggets, you don't read enough.

Both sides do the same thing. Things are good? "Our guy did it!" Things are bad? "It's Those Guys' fault!" Stupid, stupid sh*t. People vote for people based on things they have NOTHING to do with at all. It's retarded.

Jobs are out there. I got a RIDICULOUS job offer just today for more money than I've ever seen, life insurance, full benefits, 401K, the works. All I gotta do is pass a piss test (...THAT might be an issue). It's hard work and long hours, around 60 hours a week. BUT. It fell in my lap and they're also shorthanded. Jobs are out there. Money is waiting to be made. People are pissed about inflation? Sh*t costs too much? "GET A BETTER JOB AND WORK HARDER, LOSERS!" Isn't that the standard Republican talking point whenever people cry about money? What, you mean it doesn't work when THEY come up short? HUH. To think they might be hypocrites, who'da thunk it?

Put your money where your mouth is, people. You don't have enough money because sh*t's expensive, do like you tell everyone else to do and Go Get A Better Job, or go f*ck your own ass. When Obama was in charge during the last inflation/recession, the Republicans swore we'd all be living in tents by 2010. Sh*t calmed down, gas prices dropped, housing prices went back up, and it all happened while he was still in charge. No Republican "savior" had to swoop in and save us all from the evil Inflation Boogeyman, it fixed itself and it will again. Voting against your own self-interest and the rights of other humans because you honestly believe some guy in a suit when he says "I'mma bring dese here gas prices down, I tell ya wut!" makes you an ill-informed, shortsighted dumbass.

You've got me defending Obama, you F*CKING assholes. :lol: I cannot believe this sh*t.

Coola Yagami

11-07-2022, 10:57 PM

lol there ya go buddy

Cowabung-Gal

11-07-2022, 10:59 PM

You've got me defending Obama, you F*CKING assholes. :lol: I cannot believe this sh*t.

“What, you don’t like Obama, you racist?” :lol:

Leo656

11-07-2022, 11:06 PM

“What, you don’t like Obama, you racist?” :lol:

That was a big reason I couldn't stand the guy. By rights, he shouldn't have won. He didn't do a terrible job overall, although he sure did SOME really lousy sh*t, but they all do. But he had no record to speak of, he got in because "If you don't like him, you're a racist." And that's asscrackers. McCain had the credentials, McCain served his country, McCain should've won. And he would've been good. But his own party sabotaged him by running the worst campaign in history AND sticking him with Palin, who is pretty much a high-functioning retard. I'd f*ck her until her eyes un-crossed, don't get me wrong, but she's a disaster and that was the end for any opposition to Obama. Nobody was gonna vote for McCain knowing that That Sexy Idiot was gonna be anywhere near the launch codes if McCain keeled over. It was like they just handed Obama the keys without a fight.

But nah whenever people accuse me of being racist for not liking Obama, I just tell them I only hate the white half. :lol:

Coola Yagami

11-07-2022, 11:09 PM

That was a big reason I couldn't stand the guy. By rights, he shouldn't have won. He didn't do a terrible job overall, although he sure did SOME really lousy sh*t, but they all do. But he had no record to speak of, he got in because "If you don't like him, you're a racist." And that's asscrackers. McCain had the credentials, McCain served his country, McCain should've won. And he would've been good. But his own party sabotaged him by running the worst campaign in history AND sticking him with Palin, who is pretty much a high-functioning retard. I'd f*ck her until her eyes un-crossed, don't get me wrong, but she's a disaster and that was the end for any opposition to Obama. Nobody was gonna vote for McCain knowing that That Sexy Idiot was gonna be anywhere near the launch codes if McCain keeled over. It was like they just handed Obama the keys without a fight.

But nah whenever people accuse me of being racist for not liking Obama, I just tell them I only hate the white half. :lol:

The irony of nobody wanted to vote for McCain back then because 'omg so old' and yet Biden is older but he is their hero. I don't think Harris is any better than Pailin.

Andrew NDB

11-08-2022, 12:17 AM

Which shows how incredibly bad your judgment is.

For one thing, those "blue-haired crybaby freaks" STATISTICALLY are NOT gonna molest or rape your kid, BUT the bible-thumpers would. You're okay with that? Again, it just shows that you haven't fully thought things through. Think Outside Your Box. Consider how people who aren't YOU have to try and manage in this world. Consider who the REAL "Greater Evil" is. People calling for a f*cking Christian Autocracy vs. a few guys in dresses? The guys in dresses aren't talking out loud about banning f*cking birth control and same-sex marriage and forcing Jews and Mulsims to convert to Christianity if they want to stay in this country. People like Broebert and Greene are.

I get it, you hate women and gay people, you don't even pretend anymore. Just proves my point about how conservatives are no longer concerned one bit about saying the quiet part out loud.

You're on the wrong side and your values are poor. I like you a lot, you are an incredibly bright and talented person but as a big picture guy, you're not seeing it. You sincerely think a guy in a dress is a bigger threat than a politician who wants to create a world where God forbid your daughter gets raped she has to have the baby or even die giving birth to it. YOU SHOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH THAT.

Bottom line, people who actually believe in fairy tales and take advice from imaginary friends should NEVER have ANY positions of power, and if you sincerely think they are "the lesser of two evils", you're simply wrong.

More and more, I sincerely wonder if you have any empathy or concern whatsoever for anyone who isn't looking back at your from the mirror. Based on your history I'm forced to assume No. I'd love to be wrong, but I can only work with what you give me. I'll continue to hope you and others find enlightenment before you find out the hard way who the real Bad Guys are.

Out of respect for my value of you as a friend I'm going to ignore parts of that and not retort with some of the many things I could say in response to your own worldview/troubles.

All I will say is, "You're wrong on all fronts, but I always appreciate your perspective and I can understand why you would come to feel that way." And also, again, you're not a parent and have no stakes. Not a jab, just a fact. And on a side note you'd probably be like the most awesome dad on the planet. Maybe that's going on Earth 2.

I don't like "wokeness" but I like book banning, religious zealots who want to enforce a Christian Taliban, racists, and homophobes even less.

The left wants to and has banned books like "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn" from children's schools. The right wants to ban, like, instructional books about how to cruise for sex, and how to hide it from mom and dad from children's schools. I'm happy to provide facts on this if you'd care to humor them.

These things are not the same. If you think they are, I don't know what to tell you.

Leo656

11-08-2022, 08:11 AM

I'm wrong that nobody molests more kids than the clergy? Kinda don't think so.

Sorry man. I respect the hell out of you in spite of occasional shortsightedness but I ain't wrong on that one. You and others are worried about kids being "groomed" by "teachers and pink-hairs", when you ought'a be MUCH more afraid of the people carrying Bibles. For two reasons:

1. Conservatives always talk about "If it only happens One in a Million times, don't even bring it up, it's a non-issue." Well, LIVE that, don't just SAY that. Nobody's kids are being molested or "groomed" by "teachers and pink hairs". For one thing, almost every instance of a student being "groomed" by a teacher happens in high school, AND it's usually a hot female teacher doing the "grooming". We've had those conversations, we both know that's less "predatory" and a lot more "Wow, what a lucky kid, where were these teachers when I had Algebra?" It ALMOST never happens with Actual Children. FAR less often than a raped woman needing an abortion. So again, "If it 'never' happens, don't even mention it." Conservatives' words. Live 'em, don't just speak 'em.

2. In the rare case a kid is "groomed" by a teacher or likewise, at least the offending adult gets arrested and goes to jail. When someone in the CHURCH f*cks a kid, they just get sent somewhere else to f*ck more kids elsewhere, they never get punished. Sh*t even happened in the town I grew up in - not to me, I was smart enough to stop going to church WAY before anything like that could happen to me.

But if you're going to say I'm "wrong on all fronts", that's an emotional reaction, not one based on facts. Facts support my position that peoples' kids are way LESS safer with a priest than a "pink hair". "Pink hairs" have existed for less than 20 years; the Bible was literally written by people who f*cked their own kids and then wrote glowingly about it in said book.

Never, EVER trust people who are older than 5 and still have imaginary friends, my dude. They are very f*cking dangerous, and they've had a lifetime of practice justifying bad behavior by saying "GOD says it's okay!"

I appreciate you refraining from taking cheap shots at my lousy marriage, but mostly because... what does that have to do with the conversation, specifically? All I am saying is, if I were a parent, I'd worry less about the people who might "teach my kid that gay people exist", and more about the people who 1. Might actually rape them, and 2. Would rather see them die than get their rapists' baby removed.

If I had a kid, especially a daughter, I would literally want her to have as many rights, on all fronts, as humanly possible. I would not stand beside people who would say to her face "Your suffering is All Your Fault." I think that's just plain shortsighted, and also cruel.

I believe your intentions are always good. I do. I don't think you're a bad person. I think you're paranoid about certain things to a point where it's perhaps led you to develop some blind spots. And that the things you are worried about are small fries next to things you should care a lot MORE about. That's all I'm saying.

- On Earth-2, hopefully Dad Me knows better than to punch holes in the sheet rock and throw bottles at people when they're angry. Earth-1 Rikki still has a real f*cking problem with that. Therefore, I appreciate the support, but it wasn't meant to be in This reality.

Instead I'll just settle for being Uncle to a niece who was indoctrinated by a religious cult and so brainwashed even her own Mom thinks she's nuts. :lol:

- I've seen "the facts" about what books are allegedly being pulled, it's still small potatoes. Here's Why:

1. Y'all mu'fukkas think kids read books anymore. Newp! They only know those books even exist because of the hysteria. If you guys weren't screeching, they'd be sitting on those shelves untouched as they'd been before.

2. Stuff like Maus and Diary of Anne Frank are also being pulled, for daring to illustrate the horrors of the Holocaust. As if kids shouldn't know that sh*t happened. Yes They Should. My school did a whole month on the Holocaust and the reality is FAR worse than most people grow up knowing about. If people are trying to censor that information, they need to be corrected. In any case, "It's only the books about sex being pulled" is provably false. Conservatives are acting to remove ANY information they disagree with.

I'm aware of how the left has used this same tactic in the past. As mentioned, I Am Focused On Right Now, not 15-20-40 years ago. RIGHT NOW it's the Republicans pushing censorship as a strategy, and I am always against whichever side is promoting censorship. You are right they've both done it. And I've yelled at either side for doing it EVERY time and always will. Today, it's those on The Right pushing it hardest, so I'm more mad at them. Does that make sense?

3. Kids know about sex already, they know gay people exist, and Who Cares? This is nothing new. There were two kinds of kids when I was young: Those whose parents left "The Joy of Sex" laying around so their kids would poke through it on their own - so their shy-ass parents would never need to have "the talk" with them, since no parent EVER wants to have that talk and when they do they just say "Wait until marriage" - and the other kids, the ones who graduated high school thinking a woman can't get pregnant if you f*ck her standing up.

4. Do parents not know that their kids have seen more porn on their cell phones by age 10 than they will ever see in those books they're trying to get pulled? C'mon. That's like putting a barrier on the sidewalk while ignoring that you're standing next to a wide-open highway.

Once more, I am simply asking for people to truly look at the Bigger Picture with regard to these things. It is very clear to me that a lot of people don't really think on these things past their initial emotional reaction to see what actually matters and what is just a distraction. The Trees are not the Forest.

Leo656

11-08-2022, 08:12 AM

The irony of nobody wanted to vote for McCain back then because 'omg so old' and yet Biden is older but he is their hero. I don't think Harris is any better than Pailin.

Right? :lol: I have pointed that out to several people many times. Again, both sides are totally disingenuous at times. The Dems swore McCain was far too old to be President and then they elect someone even older and scream at anyone who points it out.

Harris, I think, can at least read. Jury's still out on Palin. :lol: I know which one I'd rather bang but that's kind of irrelevant. :lol:

ChosenOne

11-08-2022, 09:14 AM

To answer the question posed by the thread: none.

And I, for one, can't wait until the world wakes up from this long nightmare of war, misery and instability in 2024.

Mayhem

11-08-2022, 09:18 AM

Right? :lol: I have pointed that out to several people many times. Again, both sides are totally disingenuous at times. The Dems swore McCain was far too old to be President and then they elect someone even older and scream at anyone who points it out.
Trump was 70 when he won, and Hilary was 69. Times change, but yeah, it was an odd one then, especially in light of Biden now winning.

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them. And kids are at far more danger from Republican government candidates even than trans people :roll:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-candidate-caught-allegedly-masturbating-preschool-1234614263/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/18/ryan-dark-white-maryland-gop-senate-candidate-arre/
https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-senate-candidate-charged-010458163.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

IMJ

11-08-2022, 09:18 AM

To answer the question posed by the thread: none.

And I, for one, can't wait until the world wakes up from this long nightmare of war, misery and instability in 2024.

But see the difference is that the peasant-leftists were out throwing tantrums in the streets about their lives during Trump. Like children.

But now everyone else is waiting patiently for the voting period to change things.

And so the psychopaths on the left will rely on outbursts, violence and tantrums because their instability was so great that it appears in their mind that it was justified. Especially when measured against the normalized response now where people are riding it out, even though there is more reason to riot now than the "perceived hurt feelings under Trump" ever had.

Leo656

11-08-2022, 09:28 AM

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.

See, at least you get that. If people wanna "live their best life", fine, I have questions but whatever. But to say "It's totally fair for a person born with a penis to compete in sports against those who never had one" is false, it is BLATANTLY false, and as I've said before it's Sh*t Like THAT that's going to cost the Democrats any support from the moderate swing voters. They see Lia Thomas go to being ranked 5th as a woman in the 200-yard freestyle, after being ranked 554th on the Men's team in the same event, and they do their own mental math. And the more the liberals screech "This is TOTALLY FAIR you guys!", it pushes common sense people further and further to the Right. Because they look at that sh*t and say, "No, you're f*cking crazy to think that's acceptable."

That's why I'm just as pissed off at Democrats. They cut their own throat by hitching themselves to some really questionable sh*t over the last few years as if it would never come back to bite them. Well, it will and it has. When they lose it's their own fault. They pushed WAY too hard for men competing in women's sports, Drag Queen Story Hour, transgender bathrooms and made-up stuff like "We'll all be dead in 10 years from climate change", and ignored the millions of people who outspokenly said "I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT."

They made their bed. I am very angry at the sh*t the Republicans are pushing for but it's only a natural reaction to the nonsense the Democrats were pushing before that. Life is a pendulum that swings both ways; one side pushes hard, the other pushes back, it's physics.

CyberCubed

11-08-2022, 10:46 AM

1987

11-08-2022, 10:50 AM

You think the Republicans have ANY plan to "fix inflation"? Their pal Putin exacerbated it when he started a f*cking war for no damn reason other than his buddy Donnie told him "Go ahead, nobody's gonna stop you." You think Republicans care about the border? They've had decades to do something and they ain't done sh*t, it's a Permanent Campaign Issue for them, they LOVE an open border because it gives them something to screech about forever. All they have is a bunch of easily-disproven nonsense talking points that only the gullible and the stupid fall for. They have no platform, and they have no policy.

Wait are people really blaming Trump/Republicans for the Ukraine war? I guess that makes sense for it to be the “official” narrative but I haven’t been watching the news lately.

Although some have speculated that Putin waited for the right moment, when we have a weak US President who leaves behind billions in military equipment for the actual Taliban (not the “Christian taliban”), to swoop in and invade Ukraine cause yeah, nobody’s gonna stop them now. Keep in mind there were no new wars started by Trump and he signed a peace treaty or something in Middle East. That’s probably one reason the establishment wanted him out. Politicans (D) and (R) make big money on wars.

And BLM isn’t old news, they’re just on vacation for now. They’ll be back when the time is right…

1987

11-08-2022, 11:00 AM

Remember that if you go decades into the past, interracial couples and marriage was outlawed or looked down upon similar to gay marriage now. Back then a white man and black woman getting married was viewed as "wrong" because it wasn't right. I bet if some people here were born decades ago they'd claim blacks and whites should not get married either because it's "wrong."

Things change. Gay people getting married will obviously be the norm decades from now in most countries that aren't the middle east. Black people on TV was considered "woke" and women could not vote in the early 1900's.

It's like some people here never took history class in school. Social norms change every decade, what's happening now is no different than what our parents and grandparents went through and how they were brought up in the world.

I haven’t seen the newer TMNT shows but is bigotry still allowed on there like it was in the 1987 cartoon? I know they made April black now I’m guessing they have to keep up with the woke agenda and there’s probably some lgbtqia+ content now.

Remember in the 1987 cartoon Burne Thompson being extremely bigoted towards the turtles just for the simple fact they were mutants, nothing more. A powerful white man being a bigot to such a marginalized group such as mutant turtles, that simply would not be acceptable today. Looking back now Burne Thompson kinda resembles the bigoted, racist, rich white man that the media portrays Trump as. Even had the hot supermodel GF.

I know Vernon was bigoted but he was also rumored to be gay. That just goes to show that even back then the writers knew that gay people can also be bigoted.

I think in general there’s a lot of bigotry in the TMNT franchise, or at least there was but it’s probably different now with the new stuff.

ChosenOne

11-08-2022, 11:17 AM

But see the difference is that the peasant-leftists were out throwing tantrums in the streets about their lives during Trump. Like children.

But now everyone else is waiting patiently for the voting period to change things.

We're better than them. What else is new?

I haven’t seen the newer TMNT shows but is bigotry still allowed on there like it was in the 1987 cartoon? I know they made April black now I’m guessing they have to keep up with the woke agenda and there’s probably some lgbtqia+ content now.

There will inevitably come a time when all four Turtles are made into gay lovers to appease the woke fanatics, and become brothers only in the Spartan sense.

mrmaczaps

11-08-2022, 03:53 PM

Actually, with kids permanently castrating themselves because of the current “I hate my body” trend, who needs abortion? It takes care of overpopulation either way. And women were already being screwed before the RvW overturn since biological men could just waltz into their bathrooms or beat the crap out of them in their own sports as long as they just identified as women. In fact, no one can even define what a “woman” is without offending at least one weirdo and causing another civil war.

But right now, the majority of people don’t care about abortion or fighting for women’s rights (which haven’t really existed since the late 2010’s); people care about the ridiculous amount of money they have to pay for gas, groceries, and other essentials things. You know what Democrat Sen. Patrick Maloney said to those who were worried about feeding their families during inflation? “Just eat Chef Boyardee”.

So what if Biden does make RvW into law. Will that pay the bills or keep people warm during the winter or keep their stomachs full? No. Even dumb rats are smart enough to jump off a sinking ship, and the Democratic Party is sinking for sure.

The world isn't actually "over populated"...

Out of respect for my value of you as a friend I'm going to ignore parts of that and not retort with some of the many things I could say in response to your own worldview/troubles.

All I will say is, "You're wrong on all fronts, but I always appreciate your perspective and I can understand why you would come to feel that way." And also, again, you're not a parent and have no stakes. Not a jab, just a fact. And on a side note you'd probably be like the most awesome dad on the planet. Maybe that's going on Earth 2.

The left wants to and has banned books like "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn" from children's schools. The right wants to ban, like, instructional books about how to cruise for sex, and how to hide it from mom and dad from children's schools. I'm happy to provide facts on this if you'd care to humor them.

These things are not the same. If you think they are, I don't know what to tell you.

Bingo. We're just looking to ban books that teach kids hoe to hook up with adults, give blow jobs & anal sex...

To answer the question posed by the thread: none.

And I, for one, can't wait until the world wakes up from this long nightmare of war, misery and instability in 2024.

Bingo

We're better than them. What else is new?

There will inevitably come a time when all four Turtles are made into gay lovers to appease the woke fanatics, and become brothers only in the Spartan sense.

We are better than the left... and BLM will be back to burning sh!t down starting tomorrow... probably. They ran riot from 2016 to mid 2019, backing off just a bit before the rigged election. I'm not a fan of Trump really at all as he is no fan of freedom, 2A or whatnot, but better than this clusterfvck of a kid sniffer pretending he has a clue currently occupying the WH. Gas is $4.09 a gallon. Diesel is $6.09 & almost at the point of being rationed as stations have signs up saying they're having issues getting it...

If Dems win, America loses. Freedom will be gone & the pedo elite will be fvcking your kids. Literally & figuratively.

Leo656

11-08-2022, 04:07 PM

Cowabung-Gal

11-08-2022, 07:16 PM

The world isn't actually "over populated"....

I know, but that’s their logic.

AquaParade

11-09-2022, 07:45 AM

Psychologists say that those who obsessively accuse are often trying to amend for a guilty conscience. For example, liars constantly accuse others of lying, cheaters constantly accuse others of cheating, and so on and so forth.

Based on what some of your favorite words are, I'm guessing you definitely don't want anyone from the FBI taking a look at your hard drive.

Can’t go too far with this, but definitely true to an extent. You see it when people accuse others of certain behaviors, because they are using their internal logic to estimate what someone else would do, yeah.

“In this situation, I would totally lie and say ______, so that’s what this person is doing.”

When people are so quick to accuse others of sketchy sexual ****, I start to think they must see the appeal in some way.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 08:28 AM

I mean, I'd say "It's unfair to accuse or suggest a person's guilt of a thing without evidence or proof" but conservatives do that all the time SO YA KNOOOOOWWWWW... :lol: "What's good for the goose is good for your grandma,", or whatever. :trazz: Just trying to level out the playing fields is all. :)

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 09:00 AM

I know, but that’s their logic.

It is overpopulated. By them.

Sumac

11-09-2022, 11:44 AM

anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.
How desperate you are to protect grifting pedophiles to say obvious lies.
Also, I guess, Right of Women do not exist in your world. Its all right of men who pretend to be women now.

And kids are at far more danger from Republican government candidates even than trans people
Yeah, sure Republicans gonna start another BLM or laud crazy pedophiles who want to feed kids hormones, no biggie...oh wait, it is what Democrats were doing.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 11:48 AM

This was his reply to me, please read it again:

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.

He literally said that while he supports trans people's rights to exist he does NOT approve of them competing in women's sports. He conceded that they do indeed have a biological advantage. You and Mayhem actually agree on that one specific point of the issue.

Please read a little slower before posting replies as it will help prevent misunderstandings such as that.

Jester

11-09-2022, 12:31 PM

Incoming long post done via speech to text so apologies if it's formatted poorly.

There are quite a few Christians who are also a little bit leery of the rampant rise in Christian nationalism in this country. Is the antithesis of several Christian denominations belief system especially Baptists of which I am one. Whenever somebody says that America is a Christian Nation I want to cringe because it isn't. America may be a nation founded on Christian principles, but it was never and should never be a Christian theocracy. What I do find hilarious is so many Christians who vote Republican, a party that wants people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and leave any charity to churches are also the ones that want America to be a Christian Nation. If America was a Christian Nation, wouldn't it be obligated to take care of "the Widow and the orphan"? Seems like a lot of them want to have their cake and eat it too.

Any person who claims dealing with an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage is abortion is stretching and if they really believe that as a Republican or a conservative whichever you want to call them they need to be drummed out of the party and probably polite Society. Those cases the fetus is already dead and it becomes a medical procedure not a true abortion. If there are any people on the conservative side of things that claim that cleaning up after a miscarriage is an abortion they are deluded.

I'm so sick of the US versus them mentality. All it does is dehumanize whoever is on the opposite side of you politically. The Dems are subhuman groomers. The Republicans are fascists. This is why I have started voting third party since 2016 when I couldn't pull the lever for Trump no matter how much the other Republicans wanted me to. We need a strong third party in this country to try and maybe develop a coalition government where somebody has to compromise. One party getting all they want and then getting voted out and the other part of getting what they want is just making the Divide worse. I love how many people on the Republican side are calling Liz Cheney a RINO. Freaking Liz Cheney the daughter of Dick Cheney. She's a RINO because she doesn't follow trumpism. Has her politics changed? No she just doesn't like Trump or at the very least can see that he can be detrimental to not just the country but the Republican Party.

Cowabung-Gal

11-09-2022, 12:47 PM

Even dumb rats are smart enough to jump off a sinking ship, and the Democratic Party is sinking for sure.

With Fetterman’s victory in Pennsylvania, now I know that there are even dumber humans who would rather sink with the ship.

Andrew NDB

11-09-2022, 12:53 PM

With Fetterman victory’s in Pennsylvania, now I know that there are even dumber humans who would rather sink with the ship.

There can be no other way to look at that victory as blind ideology at play. Not logic and not reason. The guy isn't a functioning human being.

Jester

11-09-2022, 12:58 PM

Because Dr Oz was so much better a choice...
https://media.tenor.com/QwcxGNHGU_8AAAAC/dr-evil-right.gif&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiLwcu846H7AhVbjYkEHcnoDr4Q5hMIBQ&usg=AOvVaw3mGpks9MIb3dxPe31ZiT2d

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 01:01 PM

Fetterman moonlights as a mafia enforcer and/or nightclub bouncer. Change my mind.

Because Dr Oz was so much better a choice...
https://media.tenor.com/QwcxGNHGU_8AAAAC/dr-evil-right.gif&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiLwcu846H7AhVbjYkEHcnoDr4Q5hMIBQ&usg=AOvVaw3mGpks9MIb3dxPe31ZiT2d

You're right. Who in their right mind would vote on an academic and surgeon over the missing link? Oh, wait.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 01:16 PM

Jester with the Common Sense.

Oz is a repeatedly-proven scam artist and that news is almost 15 years old. He is BARELY a "doctor" of ANYTHING and true medical professionals have been begging him to shut up and go away for years. He's literally a snake oil salesman.

"That's fine, I trust him." Lunacy. Madness. "I'm fine if a guy is a con artist as long as he's also against all the same things I am." It's like when a guy cheats on his wife, marries his mistress and then the mistress thinks he won't cheat on her too. Delusional.

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2022, 01:17 PM

With Fetterman’s victory in Pennsylvania, now I know that there are even dumber humans who would rather sink with the ship.

No The Dumber Humans live in Georgia the ones who said hey lets re-elect that crazy Q-anon Cavewoman Majorie Taylor Greene to another term in office :roll:

Cowabung-Gal

11-09-2022, 01:26 PM

No The Dumber Humans live in Georgia the ones who said hey lets re-elect that crazy Q-anon Cavewoman Majorie Taylor Greene to another term in office :roll:

Which is more absurd: electing someone who holds some conspiracy theories or electing Sloth from the Goonies?

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 01:35 PM

Which is more absurd: electing someone who holds some conspiracy theories or electing Sloth from the Goonies?

Dems may hate the Hendersons, but at least they have Harry.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 01:39 PM

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 01:49 PM

I'm so sick of the US versus them mentality. All it does is dehumanize whoever is on the opposite side of you politically. The Dems are subhuman groomers. The Republicans are fascists. This is why I have started voting third party since 2016 when I couldn't pull the lever for Trump no matter how much the other Republicans wanted me to. We need a strong third party in this country to try and maybe develop a coalition government where somebody has to compromise. One party getting all they want and then getting voted out and the other part of getting what they want is just making the Divide worse. I love how many people on the Republican side are calling Liz Cheney a RINO. Freaking Liz Cheney the daughter of Dick Cheney. She's a RINO because she doesn't follow trumpism. Has her politics changed? No she just doesn't like Trump or at the very least can see that he can be detrimental to not just the country but the Republican Party.

I agree with most of this. The PRoblem with a third party is simple. How long until THAT party looses it's principles, and now we've got a BIGGER mess on our hands, with THREE useless parties that only look out for themselves?

Personally, I think Trump was a good president. his only problem was that he was overly boisterous, and dind't know when to shut up and take some tact. I think Destantis is the perfect replacement, without the ego, personally. as the Dems have gotten SO crazy and insane over Trump (TDS is real, look it up :P) that they'd never work with him on anything. and quite frankly, it's getting to a point where they might never work with ANY republican on anything with how programmed they are.

I don't see all dems as evil... just the extreme SJW left that is evil. I also don't see the Make America Great Again group as evil. we really do need to restore her to her former pre 2012 ness.

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2022, 01:51 PM

:lol::lol::lol: She do got that Cro-Magnon forehead, tho. :lol:

ya she should be stuffed in a Museum in the Prehistoric section not holding political office :lol:

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 01:52 PM

The person who repeatedly pushes Lies as Truth is the worse one, was that a rhetorical question?

She's clearly just trying to get Trump's attention so he picks her to be his running mate. Because THAT'S what we need: Someone who makes Palin look stable, one heartbeat away from the nuclear football.

Big Picture, people. Never ignore the Big Picture. Greene cares for no one but herself and if it isn't obvious, Look Closer.

:lol::lol::lol: She do got that Cro-Magnon forehead, tho. :lol:

I know who AOC is. there is enough of her idiocy on parade to prove it. I only know the NAME of MTG. I havn't heard of anything she's said or done to prove the idiot theory. but then, I don't follow things THAT closely, because following either side too closely leads to insanity.

I do agree, however. that IF she is as dumb as AOC, her as a running mate is the dumbest thing he's done so far. Desantis would be a much stronger choice.

Cowabung-Gal

11-09-2022, 01:56 PM

Big Picture, people. Never ignore the Big Picture.

You’re right. The Big Picture is, people are willing to sacrifice everything, even their children, to make sure that Orange Man and his cronies never set foot in the White House again. The 2016 election broke a lot of brains beyond repair.

My parents were optimistic about last night, but I told them, “I’m not getting my hopes up. We’ll have to wait and see what happens.” Unfortunately I was right to be pessimistic.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 02:11 PM

Personally, I think Trump was a good president. his only problem was that he was overly boisterous, and dind't know when to shut up and take some tact.

A flaw that’s looking downright quaint considering the current global juncture. Which he managed to stave off for four years, no less.

we really do need to restore her to her former pre 2012 ness.

A case could be made for her pre-2001-ness.

I know who AOC is. there is enough of her idiocy on parade to prove it.

Don't forget the rest of the (Idiot) Squad.

I do agree, however. that IF she is as dumb as AOC, her as a running mate is the dumbest thing he's done so far. Desantis would be a much stronger choice.

DeSantis is clear President material, not VP. It's a pickle for sure, but the good kind. Better to have two strong leaders vying for power than settle for dregs like the Dems do.

My parents were optimistic about last night, but I told them, “I’m not getting my hopes up. We’ll have to wait and see what happens.” Unfortunately I was right to be pessimistic.

Were you? Republicans took Congress, after all. A victory is a victory.

Jester

11-09-2022, 02:11 PM

I agree with most of this. The PRoblem with a third party is simple. How long until THAT party looses it's principles, and now we've got a BIGGER mess on our hands, with THREE useless parties that only look out for themselves?
But that's just it, with 3 (or more) parties you have to reach across aisles for your majority to get things passed. No one has a majority to pass things unilaterally. You have to compromise to get things done.

You’re right. The Big Picture is, people are willing to sacrifice everything, even their children, to make sure that Orange Man and his cronies never set foot in the White House again. The 2016 election broke a lot of brains beyond repair.

And the same could be said on the Republican side. Principles thrown aside for power.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 02:19 PM

ya she should be stuffed in a Museum in the Prehistoric section not holding political office :lol:

:lol: We don't always see eye-to-eye but I wanna congratulate you on the funniest thing I've seen so far today. :lol:

I know who AOC is. there is enough of her idiocy on parade to prove it. I only know the NAME of MTG. I havn't heard of anything she's said or done to prove the idiot theory. but then, I don't follow things THAT closely, because following either side too closely leads to insanity.

I do agree, however. that IF she is as dumb as AOC, her as a running mate is the dumbest thing he's done so far. Desantis would be a much stronger choice.

She's like the Republican AOC, but slightly different. AOC is well-meaning but Brick Stupid. Greene is simply a Trashbag Person and does nothing to hide it. If I had a gun to my head, I'd be forced to pick Stupid over Evil, and I f*cking hate AOC. But at least she isn't actively trying to hurt people on purpose, she's just a clueless moron who THINKS her dumb ideas are helpful when they're not. Greene actively wants to ruin peoples' lives for not praying to the right God.

Greene has spoken loudly about how "America should be a Christian Nationalist Country" where only Christians are allowed to hold office or positions of power. ANYONE who talks like that, you run away from. She's not as loud about it as that Broebart idiot, but they're in the same field.

None of this is "deep dive" sh*t, ten minutes on Yahoo News tells you everything you'd ever need to know about these scumbags. They don't hide who they are, they just rely on ignorant people not bothering to do research. "OH, they hate trans people? Good enough for me!" If every other thing they believe in is terrible, that should matter more. You can't rightly support someone who is completely terrible JUST because you agree with them on ONE thing.

Like AOC, for example. I agree with her that given the state of the world, NOBODY should be having kids, period. But that doesn't mean I'd vote for her just because we have that one thing in common, she's a complete idiot except for that. But at least her idiocy comes from a place of Ignorance, not Malice. That matters.

You’re right. The Big Picture is, people are willing to sacrifice everything, even their children, to make sure that Orange Man and his cronies never set foot in the White House again.

"Sacrificing their children"? Please explain.

Trump had a swing, people are right to not want him to get another one, for a very important reason. He had the moral and civic duty to tell those supporters of his who ARE racist, bigoted, homophobic, and just plain evil people, that he wanted NOTHING to do with them. That's what a strong leader is supposed to do. Not curry favor with Actual F*cking Nazis just because you need their votes. And he's STILL doing it.

When you have people in Wisconsin getting arrested for bringing a f*cking KNIFE to the polling place and screaming "STOP THE COUNT!", as happened yesterday, if you are in a position of power you have a responsibility to the greater good to make it clear in NO uncertain terms that you DO NOT WANT those people to support you.

Instead, he curries favor. No, obviously most Republicans aren't bigots and Nazis BUT MANY OF THEM ARE. And instead of telling them to kill themselves, AS HE SHOULD, Trump emboldens them and riles them up. He thinks it's funny. It's not funny. It's dangerous. And he doesn't care. He doesn't care WHO gets threatened, hurt, or even killed, as long as he gets to sit in his high chair again.

He abdicated his responsibilities as a leader to instead be a Twitter Troll. That's a scumbag. It was funny at one point. Things have gone too far. Nobody with common sense should want him anywhere but back here in NJ running more casinos into bankruptcy. That's all he's good for.

Cowabung-Gal

11-09-2022, 02:36 PM

"Sacrificing their children"? Please explain.

I’ll give you an example:

Remember the Tara Reade allegation? So many MeToo women came rushing to Biden’s defense, sacrificing their own principles to ensure his victory over Trump. One woman even said, “Biden could r*pe my daughter and I would still pick him over Trump.” That made me sick to my stomach.

These people hate Trump so much that no matter how much the Democrats screw up, as long as the opposing candidate is a Trump supporter or Trump himself, they’ll vote blue no matter who. It’s like the very mention of Trump’s name makes them foam at the mouth. They even blamed the Will Smith Oscars slap on Trump, for Pete’s sake!

During the recall election in California, the media accused Larry Elder of being the “blackface of white supremacy” because of his connections to Trump. One white girl in a gorilla mask threw eggs at him as he walked down the street. That is racism. Yet the media was completely silent. Furthermore, California voted to keep that white tyrant Newsom in office. Why? Because Orange Man bad.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 03:06 PM

Ah. Well yeah, those are crazy people. Bags of mixed nuts have shells of many colors; ergo, Red Nuts vs. Blue Nuts, still nuts either way.

The guy downstairs has TDS, I've ranted about him many times. I know it's real, I live with it.

The ROOT CAUSE of these things is an unwavering belief that "My Team" is Good and "Your Team" is Evil.

When you don't have a "team" you simply call out Evil as it presents itself and all affiliations be damned. I often feel like the only true "centrist" here, although Jester seems very like-minded in theory even if we disagree on particulars from time to time. Everyone else seems far too entrenched in politics as a team sport, which is the wrong way to be. Labels Divide People.

The Righties AND the Lefties here all give me a ton of sh*t, which tells me I'm far better at seeing the forest for the trees than most people. They all act shocked when I call Their Side out for stupid or inhuman behavior, despite me saying constantly that I don't pick sides on purpose. Y'all sound exactly like football fans whenever you rant about some of this stuff, and my opinion of football fans should also be well-known by now so that's not an endorsement, it's an indictment.

Jester

11-09-2022, 03:10 PM

Greene has spoken loudly about how "America should be a Christian Nationalist Country" where only Christians are allowed to hold office or positions of power. ANYONE who talks like that, you run away from. She's not as loud about it as that Broebart idiot, but they're in the same field.
And again which group of Christians get to have power in Green and Broebart's Christian Nation? Probably not Black Christians who tend to vote Democrat.

Another reason I tend to go third party anymore is because neither major party should hold complete control over the Christian Base. Neither political party completely aligns with what it means to be to be a Christian and to say otherwise is short-sighted.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 03:17 PM

And again which group of Christians get to have power in Green and Broebart's Christian Nation? Probably not Black Christians who tend to vote Democrat.

Another reason I tend to go third party anymore is because neither major party should hold complete control over the Christian Base. Neither political party completely aligns with what it means to be to be a Christian and to say otherwise is short-sighted.

Do your hands ever hurt from banging these nails so hard, dude? :lol: Spot-on.

Like, my family's Catholic. I'm very clearly "lapsed", but some of them are VERY devout. But they'd be trash-tier citizens if Greene and Broebart's America ever came to pass. "Convert, or get out." That's what they've said SHOULD happen. Sounds like Middle Eastern Sh*thole Doctrine, to me. We are supposed to be better that that, not the same.

Like, I'm white, but I'm Irish-Catholic so if the "Christian Nazis" had their way they'd be tryin'a string me up, too, especially with all the Jewish, black and gay friends I have. I could NEVER be on the same side as anyone who either supports or shrugs off Those People. They hate me, they'd see me dead, why would I EVER turn a blind eye to them? Because we're likewise a bit "ick" about guys in dresses? That doesn't make them my allies, no f*cking WAY.

What we see more and more are Sheep voting for The Wolf, because they think the wolf won't one day come for Them. That has a way of turning sour for them very quickly, but by then it's too late. Look at 1940s Germany for proof. When it was "just" the Jews that were hated, "no big deal". Until it was Everyone Else, Too. And then it was too late.

I'd not see that happen again, anywhere.

Think that's a "hysterical, overreacting" position? Think it can't happen again, whether Here nor There?

Dig this.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/01/04/13/iran-60s.jpg?width=1200
That was mid-1970s Iran, before the Islamic Revolution. Things sure change FAST, don't they?

"Evil never sleeps. It Waits". Which means when people start talking persecution you don't give them a single f*cking inch, EVER. You don't say "They won't do it," you don't say "Nobody will let them", you don't say "That issue can wait until tomorrow, we have to take care of these trannies and these gas prices first." Tyranny and oppression are Ultimate Evil, and they don't arrive wearing horns and carrying pitchforks, they come disguised as One Of You, pretending to have your best interests at heart.

Even that book the Christians love so much warns us of that. Figures they're so picky-choosy about what they take from it they miss the message when it's happening right in front of them.

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 03:33 PM

hmm, I thought it was ALWAYS bad in iran. things look rather peachy there. scary how so few of us might not know that.

that's exactly what's happening with the democrats. again, not all, just the far left democrats.

Look at Twitter. People saying 'get out and vote!' someone replies 'I voted red!' 'blocked'. they claim to fight fascism while practicing it. you can't challenge any of their ideas, or else they label you a phobe, or an ist, or an ism. and the few times you do challenge them, they don't debate, they run....cause they know what they 'preach' can't be defended.

the stuff gina carano got booted off of twitter for is exactly right...and if we are not careful, it'll consume the democrat side first, then the rest of us. oddly enough, when someone from the dem side quoted the exact same thing, she got praised by her colleagues instead of booted.

that's some scary stuff there.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 03:37 PM

Yes, Blocking people on Twitter is exactly the same "extremism" as bringing a knife to a polling station because too many black and gay people are voting. You're right. :roll:

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 03:54 PM

which, either isn't getting covered, or never actually happened in modern day society from a quick google look.

sounds like left leaning talking points to me :P

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 04:03 PM

Regarding Iran, a little free cash from Soetoro in exchange for a handful of nothing goes a long way. Even as far as Ukraine on the wings of kamikaze drones.

Mayhem

11-09-2022, 04:16 PM

In parallel to Marjorie Greene, in Arkansas the really baffling thing is that people voted against recreational cannabis in that state. Surely if a majority voted for Sarah Huckabee Sanders for governor, they must already be really, really high.

hmm, I thought it was ALWAYS bad in iran. things look rather peachy there. scary how so few of us might not know
There’s a well known and popular Iranian comedienne here called Shappi Khorsandi who has managed to make light of the Revolution in her act. You can tell she’s been here a long time, we have a long history of gallows type humour, and some of her routine is such. Her father was a political commentator and humorist in Iran at the time. As soon as the revolution happened, he was placed somewhat reasonably high up on the list of “unreasonables” and those the new regime would have “disappear” due to criticism of their ultra conservative religious system, so he and his family fled and came to Britain. Shappi was 7 at the time.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 04:17 PM

which, either isn't getting covered, or never actually happened in modern day society from a quick google look.

sounds like left leaning talking points to me :P

Literally 5 seconds of Google using Search term "wisconsin man arrested knife polling" and you get This:

Fox News (Your Pick, I'm guessing, which is why I led with it):
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-voting-delayed-man-knife-polling-location-demanded-stop-voting-police

CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/midterm-election-results-livestream-voting-11-08-2022/h_ff4ec5800bfdf8535afcdb365e707602

The Hill:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3727283-wisconsin-police-arrest-man-armed-with-knife-who-called-to-stop-the-voting/

Business Insider:
https://www.businessinsider.com/man-knife-arrested-wisconsin-polling-place-election-2022-11

And LOTS more. This was an isolated incident, but it's not hard to confirm that it happened. It happened.

NOW, I gotta be serious for a minute. I just took 5 minutes out of my day to do something you could easily have done yourself. I have to go to the gym, and I start a new job Monday that's going to have me working up to 60 hours a week. SO, in the interest of keeping this place intellectually honest I am going to have to BEG you mu'fuggas to STOP being ignorant. I'm not going to have time nor inclination to keep wiping your asses and spoonfeeding you like this every time you CHOOSE to be misinformed about something. You're gonna have to start doing your own work.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 04:25 PM

which, either isn't getting covered, or never actually happened in modern day society from a quick google look.

sounds like left leaning talking points to me :P

They'd rather (not) talk about totally-not-Paul-Pelosi's-gay-hookup-gone-horribly-wrong. :lol:

Leo656

11-09-2022, 04:26 PM

I wish AIDS was airborne, sometimes.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 04:34 PM

Misery does love company.

Andrew NDB

11-09-2022, 04:41 PM

I wish AIDS was airborne, sometimes.

According to Fauci once, it was.

Leo656

11-09-2022, 04:48 PM

According to Fauci once, it was.

SECOND funniest thing I've heard all day. :lol: Awesome.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 04:59 PM

According to Fauci once, it was.

He would know. Bet that’s what he was trying to get out of those bats when he stumbled upon Covid.

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 06:38 PM

Literally 5 seconds of Google using Search term "wisconsin man arrested knife polling" and you get This:

ahh, but i did. i saw that one story. but YOU said 'because too many gay and black people where voting'. that didn't seem to be in this particular story. just some nut on one side or the other with election fatigue.

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 06:40 PM

They'd rather (not) talk about totally-not-Paul-Pelosi's-gay-hookup-gone-horribly-wrong. :lol:

lets cover that one, shall we? NO security. NO camera's on such a high profile target. BOTH in their underwear. And the story vanished FAST after like, three days, tops.

yep. nothing to see here.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 06:45 PM

lets cover that one, shall we? NO security. NO camera's on such a high profile target. BOTH in their underwear. And the story vanished FAST after like, three days, tops.

yep. nothing to see here.

Jussie Smollett would be proud.

Coola Yagami

11-09-2022, 06:50 PM

So I guess the Democrats held off the red wave. So now what amigos?

Vegita-San

11-09-2022, 07:07 PM

So I guess the Democrats held off the red wave. So now what amigos?

but, did they?

The house we know they lost. The other one, seems to be too close to call yet.

and so are some other battle grounds like NYC, with Long island yet to be counted. and a day or two ago, the WH speaker said it could be 'days before we know the winners'. Unless democrats win, I guess :)

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 07:13 PM

but, did they?

The house we know they lost. The other one, seems to be too close to call yet.

and so are some other battle grounds like NYC, with Long island yet to be counted. and a day or two ago, the WH speaker said it could be 'days before we know the winners'. Unless democrats win, I guess :)

They totally didn't. Worst case scenario, the Senate stays exactly as it was before. But Republicans took Congress. And elected more governors. The last two years of Biden's usurped term will be an increasingly uphill struggle, and the man can barely walk as it is.

Coola Yagami

11-09-2022, 07:20 PM

They totally didn't. Worst case scenario, the Senate stays exactly as it was before. But Republicans took Congress. And elected more governors. The last two years of Biden's usurped term will be an increasingly uphill struggle, and the man can barely walk as it is.

Put a couple of little girls up that hill and I'm sure Biden will find a way.

ChosenOne

11-09-2022, 07:52 PM

Put a couple of little girls up that hill and I'm sure Biden will find a way.

Throw in a little coke and Hunter will give him a piggyback ride up there.

1987

11-10-2022, 01:28 AM

ya she should be stuffed in a Museum in the Prehistoric section not holding political office :lol:

Women don’t have penises, bot. Just FYI :D

What we see more and more are Sheep voting for The Wolf, because they think the wolf won't one day come for Them. That has a way of turning sour for them very quickly, but by then it's too late. Look at 1940s Germany for proof. When it was "just" the Jews that were hated, "no big deal". Until it was Everyone Else, Too. And then it was too late.

I'd not see that happen again, anywhere.

Think that's a "hysterical, overreacting" position? Think it can't happen again, whether Here nor There?

Dig this.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/01/04/13/iran-60s.jpg?width=1200
That was mid-1970s Iran, before the Islamic Revolution. Things sure change FAST, don't they?

"Evil never sleeps. It Waits". Which means when people start talking persecution you don't give them a single f*cking inch, EVER. You don't say "They won't do it," you don't say "Nobody will let them", you don't say "That issue can wait until tomorrow, we have to take care of these trannies and these gas prices first." Tyranny and oppression are Ultimate Evil, and they don't arrive wearing horns and carrying pitchforks, they come disguised as One Of You, pretending to have your best interests at heart.

That was the whole point of the 2020 scamdemic. To normalize government authoritarianism. NWO made their first move, forcemasking, to the point where it became a cult and people were willingly wearing masks or “face coverings” even when not required, even just as a fashion statement. Helped rioters a lot too. Democrats were in favor of national mask mandate while Republicans opposed.

And now we’ve got the US President regularly making speeches on TV condemning all “MAGA Republicans” as “semi-fascists” to further their agenda. Kinda like how Hitler incited hate and violence toward certain groups. People are easily manipulated. It’s working.

hmm, I thought it was ALWAYS bad in iran. things look rather peachy there. scary how so few of us might not know that.

that's exactly what's happening with the democrats. again, not all, just the far left democrats.

I first discovered this during the 2020 scamdemic. I was very suspicious of mandatory masks and “face coverings”. It’s social conditioning for people to submit to big government unconstitutional orders, all in the name of safety. For a while there it did feel like the Democrats were trying to force a national mask mandate and mandatory “face coverings”. There is a conspiracy theory that they want to enslave us like they did Iran, which is why “Christian nationalism” is the new Democrat boogeyman, but nobody is allowed to speak out against Islamic culture beheadings and how they treat their women, that would be too offensive. Instead they’ll watch CNN’s Don Lemon or one of those mainstream news sources to hear the narrative of poll workers blacks and gays getting attacked by MAGA Republicans all over the country.

https://i.imgur.com/83gYu8o.jpg

Mayhem

11-11-2022, 01:20 AM

Jealous much? :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63593457

Of course the irony will be that if Trump goes for a 2024 run, he will be older than Biden was when taking office…

Andrew NDB

11-11-2022, 01:50 AM

Trump is being really, really stupid lately. Man.

1987

11-11-2022, 04:19 AM

Trump is being really, really stupid lately. Man.

No, not really. That’s what the media, NWO, WEF etc WANTS you to think.

Sure DeSantis seems like the logical Republican candidate just to satisfy the nevertrumpers. But he’s pulled a few stunts to show that he may very well be deep state uniparty himself. Trump helped get DeSantis elected as governor, and we don’t even know if he intends to run for president in 2024.

NWO and GOP uniparty snakes like Paul Ryan, McCarthy, McConnell etc want division in the GOP to keep Trump/MAGA away from the presidency. Nobody owns Trump. A divide in the GOP makes it easier to cheat and practically just handing Biden/Harris another 4 years.

It’s like 2015/2016 all over again. Everybody against Trump. And this might actually help him in 2024. Stable Genius.

ChosenOne

11-11-2022, 08:36 AM

I kinda trust Trump’s instincts. While there are some things I don't agree with him on, his gift of foresight has never wavered. For instance, he did warn Germany and the rest of the EU about depending on Russia for gas...

Cowabung-Gal

11-11-2022, 11:37 AM

There may not have been a red wave, but the Democrats sure got p*ssed on by Florida. Either way they got wet.

CNN is even accusing DeSantis of cheating by making it harder to cheat during voting. Um…is that a confession?

IMJ

11-11-2022, 07:09 PM

Andrew NDB

11-11-2022, 07:19 PM

Even if nothing would be more amusing than to see everyone's reactions on the left to Trump winning a reelection, nothing good would come of that. I'm not saying it'd be less advisable than Biden winning again, but it would just be another 4 years of hysteria about more collisions and failed impeachments and everyone just getting angrier. And yes, that speaks more to the childlike mindsets of a lot of folks on the left than anything else, but it is what it is and that's exactly what would happen. At least a republican other than Trump -- anyone other than Trump, that is a functioning human being -- has a shot at not evoking such a turmoil.

That's my $0.02.

ChosenOne

11-11-2022, 07:30 PM

I guess the "functioning human being" bit rules out Graham.

IMJ

11-11-2022, 07:30 PM

Cowabung-Gal

11-11-2022, 09:27 PM

I'm not saying it'd be less advisable than Biden winning again, but it would just be another 4 years of hysteria about more collisions and failed impeachments and everyone just getting angrier. And yes, that speaks more to the childlike mindsets of a lot of folks on the left than anything else, but it is what it is and that's exactly what would happen. At least a republican other than Trump -- anyone other than Trump, that is a functioning human being -- has a shot at not evoking such a turmoil.

It doesn’t matter which Republican gets sworn in. Trump will always live rent-free in their minds. If they get fired from their job, it’s Trump’s fault. If they break up with their boyfriends/girlfriends, it’s Trump’s fault. If their pet goldfish go belly up, it’s Trump’s fault.

Even with Trump out of the picture, MAGA will always be a stain on the Republican Party that the Democrats will use to keep their voters angry and hysterical. As long as they keep watching CNN, MSNBC, and Stephen Colbert, they will never see Republicans, Conservatives, or even Libertarians as human beings who have common interests even though they have different ideas.

Even before Trump ran, tensions were already high thanks to the Obama Administration. We really didn’t have a race problem before, but whenever Obama’s critics attacked him, his cronies made it look like it was an attack on black people as a whole, even though he did do terribly as President. If you didn’t like Obama, you were a racist, no question about it.

I want to believe that our country will heal, but it’s looking rather unlikely at the moment.

Sumac

11-12-2022, 02:56 AM

But unfortunately we can't have someone in office that catalyzes such levels of insanity into open behavior.
I feel like it is a positive thing: more and more people can see how vile and dumb modern Democrats are. BLM alone probably produced more Republicans than any other event before, I think.

IMJ

11-12-2022, 09:38 AM

I feel like it is a positive thing: more and more people can see how vile and dumb modern Democrats are. BLM alone probably produced more Republicans than any other event before, I think.

But that's just it, man. We are passed the point of education and have been for some time. People on the left who are galvanized are the sheeple who simply buy into the Democratic branding. Their "education" is all based on whatever propaganda makes them feel good. Probably close to zero of those people could actually tell you what the "Federalist system" is, or what the actual key life-time tenets of each party are based on.

These are the people that are so easily mobilized that Chuck Schumer called them all fool-underlings by using a stick pointer to read manipulations off of a Bader-Ginsburg poster on T.V., and they ate it up. We are literally talking about the peasant-thinkers of the country.

There is no "more and more people will understand".

joe-eyeball

11-12-2022, 09:48 AM

The above post is correct! I have found it incredibly hilarious how the left drones on and on about Trump cultists and their God DJT! When it’s so painfully obvious that the Democrat voters are exactly the same only they worship at the altar of the entire Democratic Party! And that’s why they win because at least that party has their cultists 100% all in while the out of touch GOP is fractured!

mrmaczaps

11-12-2022, 10:00 AM

Democrat voters are enslaved by their democrat politicians. Time and again, promises made, get the votes and promises unkept.

I was a democrat zero times. I voted for zero democrats. And when needed, I call out the terrible Rs like Senatwhore Susan 2 terms Collins. All of them got paid during covid and did zero work. And most of them got voted back in anyways. Tyrants gonna tyrant.

Vegita-San

11-12-2022, 01:14 PM

Sumac

11-13-2022, 02:46 AM

I prefer to hope there are some normal people out there.

Vegita-San

11-13-2022, 05:33 AM

ChosenOne

11-13-2022, 08:49 AM

https://www.google.com/search?q=senate+race&oq=senate+race&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i131i433i512j0i131i433l2j0i131 i433i512l4j0i271.1624j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

twitter seems to think the dems won, this says it's a 50/50 split. which is it?

Republicans won Congress and the Senate remains as it was before. Which is a win for the Republicans. Twitter is insane as always, and desperately trying to spin this into a Dem win somehow.

Mayhem

11-13-2022, 10:16 AM

It is as much as the fact everyone was predicting the Republicans were going to do so much better than they did.

1987

11-13-2022, 10:31 AM

They are “still counting votes” almost a week after the midterms, as was normalized in the 2020 election with the mail-in ballot scams.

We’ve got some bad hombres running these elections!

https://i.imgur.com/dLNek9q.png

Mayhem

11-13-2022, 12:12 PM

That’s because in many states, they don’t start counting votes until the day after the polls close, and mail in ballots count if they are postmarked before polling day ends. So quite easy for delayed votes, military votes etc to take a few days to arrive after polling ends.

Vegita-San

11-15-2022, 10:23 AM

what's the d eal with this 'kari lake' person?

twitter seems to hate her.

1987

11-15-2022, 10:39 AM

Kari Lake is a (R) candidate for governor in Arizona who wanted election reform and is an “election denier”, that’s why twitter hates her on top of the fact that she’s MAGA. She was winning on election night, but somehow ended up losing to (D) Katie Hobbs 1 week after the election. Deja Vu. We’ve seen this before.

This is why I stopped caring about elections and politics, it’s simply pointless now. The fix is in. No need for democrats to campaign if they already know who’s going to be installed. Trump running in 2024? Cool, another stolen election in 2024. GOP just sits back and lets it happen. They’re in on it. Must get paid pretty well.

Now let’s move on with the NWO agenda.

Cowabung-Gal

11-15-2022, 10:56 AM

I’m pretty convinced at this point that Biden is the reincarnation of Caligula, and Fetterman is the reincarnation of Caligula’s favorite horse.

And in regards to Lake losing, I’m not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.

Leo656

11-15-2022, 11:33 AM

Her own f*cking party hates her, get a clue. She's a glorified weather girl who tried to ride the Trump wave by copying his playbook and found out the hard way that people are slowly starting to shift away from that type of extremist rhetoric.

Cowabung-Gal

11-15-2022, 11:37 AM

Jester

11-15-2022, 11:56 AM

Can I just say it's funny how many people disqualify Fetterman because he had a stroke but have no problem with Hershal Walker's obvious CTE?

Cowabung-Gal

11-15-2022, 12:16 PM

Can I just say it's funny how many people disqualify Fetterman because he had a stroke but have no problem with Hershal Walker's obvious CTE?

Stephen Hawking had it way worse and he was incredibly smart. Fetterman is just crazy, yet he was elected merely for the same reason Brian Ngyun was awarded the title “Miss America”. But if these people really cared about diversity and representation, then they should’ve let Larry Elder win the recall election and kicked whitey Newsom out. And what if Oz was the one with the stroke instead? The Democrats would’ve mocked him to no end and declared him unsuitable to run as Senator based on his condition.

Coola Yagami

11-15-2022, 01:00 PM

And what if Oz was the one with the stroke instead? The Democrats would’ve mocked him to no end and declared him unsuitable to run as Senator based on his condition.

Rules for thee but not for me. Democrat motto.

Mayhem

11-15-2022, 01:13 PM

So if Trump runs for 2024, then you'll call him out for being too old, even though he will be older than Biden was when he won 2020? :roll:

ChosenOne

11-15-2022, 02:28 PM

So if Trump runs for 2024, then you'll call him out for being too old, even though he will be older than Biden was when he won 2020? :roll:

Only if he's also a senile pedo by then.

Mayhem

11-15-2022, 04:06 PM

Only if he's also a senile pedo by then.
Spoiler alert, he already is…

https://i.imgur.com/XpiRe68.jpg

ChosenOne

11-15-2022, 04:43 PM

Spoiler alert, he already is…

https://i.imgur.com/XpiRe68.jpg

Oh, yeah, that's awful! All the hair sniffing and the talk about children touching his legs and the incest running in the family... Oh, wait.

Textbook TDS. :roll:

Leo656

11-15-2022, 11:48 PM

Don't even pretend Trump ain't creepy, dawg. Dude used to barge into the dressing rooms of the Miss TEEN USA pageant like he was slick. I ain't mad at him but let's not pretend he ain't a straight-up perv. I'd put cash money down that he's been to Epstein Island many, MANY times. I mean, he's a rich person, that's what rich people do: Fly halfway around the work to have coke orgies with trafficked children. You think he's the ONE guy in his "elite" circle that never f*cked a 12-year old? Nah, nah. He absolutely has. Let's not even front.

ChosenOne

11-16-2022, 07:49 AM

Nails, nails everywhere. :roll:

1987

11-16-2022, 11:44 AM

Vegita-San

11-16-2022, 05:27 PM

https://twitter.com/yakkopinky/status/1593007784974462976

when I see stuff like this, I have to remind myself they are not talking about biden. cause, isn't that what he did by laundering money out of ukraine? Also, their own 6th panel can't come up with ONE bit of evidence to stop him from running. why do so many people spout rhetoric like this, is beyond me?

Andrew NDB

11-16-2022, 05:37 PM

That’s his daughter. You would think if they actually had something on him they would have taken him down already. I mean it’s Trump of all people, we know how bad the left wants to take him down. And why is there no record of him going to Epstein island meanwhile all those other high profile celebrities and politicians are on “the list”?

It's like the Russia collusion thing. They think if they believe in something hard enough, long enough, then that will will it into existence.

Reality doesn't work like that.

ChosenOne

11-16-2022, 05:42 PM

It's like the Russia collusion thing. They think if they believe in something hard enough, long enough, then that will will it into existence.

Reality doesn't work like that.

It does for the military-industrial complex, if you get my drift.

IMJ

11-16-2022, 06:40 PM

It's like the Russia collusion thing. They think if they believe in something hard enough, long enough, then that will will it into existence.

Reality doesn't work like that.

Nah man they don't even believe it. It's witch hunting - their hate runs so deep and so vapidly that they'll push any narrative and behind closed doors laugh and say to each other "who cares, the guy is an asshole".

And then they proceed to act like they aren't actually evil people.

Galactus

11-18-2022, 07:42 PM

I'm not sure I understand the OP's question. The guy has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes while he was president so which one are we talking about?

If it's simply his involvement in January 6th we're talking about then there is a wealth of evidence from multiple testimonies from people who worked closely with him and his own daughter, text messages which showed that he wanted it to happen and even co-ordinated with some of the people on the ground and refused to do anything when people urged to try and calm things down.

There is a wealth of evidence not just in that case but almost all the stuff he's been accused of to send him to prison for the rest of his life. As I've said before lack of evidence is not really a problem; it's the fact that no with the correct authority wants to charge him.

Any kind of legal proceedings against a sitting or former president isn't done lightly. We know anytime impeachment proceedings happen that president gets a huge boost in popularity and it galvanises their supporters into thinking the whole thing is a witch hunt and unfair. The fear is always that it could lead to riots breaking out. January 6th was probably confirmation of a lot of people's worst fears around this. There is also the concern that sending a former president to prison (even if he deserves it) sets a dangerous precedent of leaders locking up their political opponents regardless of whether they committed a crime worthy of it. Remember Trump himself won on the promise that he would "lock her up".

The question is if Presidents are never going to be convicted of a serious crime why bother spending all this time and money on impeachments and hearings? The answer is it's for posterity. To as-good as officially acknowledge that the president did act improperly. It has to be said the severity of Trump's crimes is the only time in history that there is even a slight possibility someone might actually take the risk and charge him even if the possibility is still remote. While this means liberals shouldn't get excited at the prospect Trump going to prison every time some new legal action is launched against him it also means right wingers shouldn't gloat that there is no evidence he's committed any crime because there is literally TONS of it.

ChosenOne

11-19-2022, 04:07 AM

Presumption of innocence. Look it up.

IMJ

11-19-2022, 10:08 AM

I'm not sure I understand the OP's question. The guy has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes while he was president so which one are we talking about?

I am forced to think that statement is in purposeful-disregard of the fact that there is a large cross-section of society that will say anything to harm someone they don't like. You clearly take the position of "credible accusation" as support for Trump-hate. But the left has done this with aggression now for six years:

-rallied peasant opinion for an impeachment that was ultimately ineffective
-claimed Russian collusion and created a probe that resulted in nothing (Mueller)
-unprecedented Presidential raid by the FBI resulting so far in nothing
And these things built on a foundation of constant smokescreen calls of "evil" and "bad orange man!" to pad the alleged actionable-items.

It's very simple. Of the left you have the manipulators and the manipulated who aren't operating in a sense of reality. Instead operating in purely directed-anger using the only method the liberal-brain is disposed to - and that is to throw any $#!( at the wall and see what sticks. And in the end, the only thing the liberal-brain has done has created a wall covered in $#!(. It's truly irrational and psychopathic.

Everyone makes mistakes, even blasé ones that could somehow border on criminal. Everyone. But what normal, good people do is let others live and only begin to talk about crime when a truly actionable thing appears to have taken place. But what the life-angry-left do to people is that they just start one bombardment after another to harm someone until finally any one of their accusations stick. This tactic can bring anyone down, that's why they do it. It doesn't mean the left is correct - it just means that they are littered with enemy-combatant-@$$holes.

Galactus

11-19-2022, 10:15 AM

Presumption of innocence. Look it up.

Presumption of innocence doesn't you don't investigate someone who is suspected of committing a crime.

Presumption of innocence doesn't mean you ignore of mountains of evidence.

Like I said the reason Trump isn't being charged and will likely never be charged of any serious crime isn't due to lack of evidence, it's the long held fear that going after a former president would cause mass amounts of chaos. January 6th proved that those fears were sadly well founded. It's why Nixon was pardoned and why likely no one will touch Trump despite that we know he's guilty of multiple crimes that should normally see him in prison.

But see, what you aren't realizing or maybe are even in purposeful-disregard is that there is a large cross-section of society that will say anything to harm someone they don't like.

You clearly take the position of "credible accusation" as support for your own hate towards Trump. But the left has done this with aggression now for six year...

This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality were every public figure they don't like is a satanic paedophile that drinks the blood of their victims to weaken the white race to serve their Jewish overlords. This from the side that refused to accept that politicians they don't like can win elections so always cry that it was stolen without a single shred of proof. Please.

The description that Trump has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes doesn't come from me, it comes actual legal experts. Obviously we're not going to go through all of them here so let's just stick to the three big ones:

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all. It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish. If that was any Democrat president the right would be pointing out how sketchy that is. Either he did collude with Russia and he stopped the probe just as they were getting close to the truth or he was sparing himself the embarrassment of even more people in his campaign being exposed and him being too much of idiot to know what was going on underneath his nose.

As I keep pointing out him not being charged does not mean there isn't enough evidence to charge him with multiple crimes. I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

Cowabung-Gal

11-19-2022, 11:43 AM

I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

People liked him because he pretty much made everything more affordable, gave black people more jobs than even Obama did (under whom black unemployment was higher than it was under Bush), showed the other world leaders that he didn’t take crap from anyone, and tackled on the border crisis. Sure, making the entire Establishment cry is satisfying, but that’s not the sole reason why half the country liked Trump. And since you’ve listed Trump’s crimes, go ahead and list Biden’s, too, while you’re at it. By your logic and reasoning, both should be in jail right now. In fact, a lot of politicians should be behind bars instead of running this country.

And by the way, the Emperor is in fact wearing clothes; in fact, he’s wearing a dress and full-on makeup. And everyone can see it, but they’re too scared to say anything “too controversial”.

ChosenOne

11-19-2022, 12:32 PM

Blah, blah, blah...

Ergo, you clearly don't undestand the concept behind presumption of innocence. I sincerely hope you're never in a position to need it.

mrmaczaps

11-19-2022, 09:02 PM

Presumption of innocence doesn't you don't investigate someone who is suspected of committing a crime.

Presumption of innocence doesn't mean you ignore of mountains of evidence.

Like I said the reason Trump isn't being charged and will likely never be charged of any serious crime isn't due to lack of evidence, it's the long held fear that going after a former president would cause mass amounts of chaos. January 6th proved that those fears were sadly well founded. It's why Nixon was pardoned and why likely no one will touch Trump despite that we know he's guilty of multiple crimes that should normally see him in prison.

This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality were every public figure they don't like is a satanic paedophile that drinks the blood of their victims to weaken the white race to serve their Jewish overlords. This from the side that refused to accept that politicians they don't like can win elections so always cry that it was stolen without a single shred of proof. Please.

The description that Trump has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes doesn't come from me, it comes actual legal experts. Obviously we're not going to go through all of them here so let's just stick to the three big ones:

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all. It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish. If that was any Democrat president the right would be pointing out how sketchy that is. Either he did collude with Russia and he stopped the probe just as they were getting close to the truth or he was sparing himself the embarrassment of even more people in his campaign being exposed and him being too much of idiot to know what was going on underneath his nose.

As I keep pointing out him not being charged does not mean there isn't enough evidence to charge him with multiple crimes. I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

And he is guilty of none of that.... zero actual evidence. Lol. Keep crying.

ChosenOne

11-19-2022, 11:06 PM

And he is guilty of none of that.... zero actual evidence. Lol. Keep crying.

Can't even get him for jaywalking, yet they somehow think that makes him the Devil. Oy... The Inquisition's coming back into style.

Andrew NDB

11-20-2022, 12:42 AM

Can't even get him for jaywalking, yet they somehow think that makes him the Devil. Oy... The Inquisition's coming back into style.

This probably encapsulates everything right here.

Coola Yagami

11-20-2022, 09:44 AM

Orange Man is apparently unbanned from Twitter.

1987

11-20-2022, 10:24 AM

Orange Man is apparently unbanned from Twitter.

Yep, heee’s baaaack!

Though he’s said he may not even use it, funny too see his old tweets getting retweeted. Angry liberals are already dying from old Trump tweets, some have threatened to leave Twitter over Trump getting his account back.

Interesting how his last few tweets specifically says remain peaceful, no violence, debunks every lie from the J6 committee.

IMJ

11-20-2022, 11:21 AM

This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality

I stopped reading your entire post the moment you put me into "the side" thus demonstrating that you are a complete f'n idiot who only thinks in black and white. Thus my point about how you think. I am not even remotely a q-anon, MAGA rallier. Not even remotely. And I'll take you one step further on that you tool - the people you think you are sided against barely exist in reality. You just thrust individuals into how your limited schema can create the heuristic.

This is what I am always trying to point out - these people - we know them here as "Voltron" and "Indigo" and "Galactus" - their opinions - get ready for it - don't matter because they aren't even born of cogent positioning.

For everyone else here who doesn't understand this - everyone's opinions don't count when the opinion is born of false reality. It's immediately negated. This is why we don't listen to the opinions-of-complexity of crazy people. On either side.

I would challenge someone here - anyone - to correctly interpret and summarize what I am saying here.

ChosenOne

11-24-2022, 04:39 PM

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/writer-accused-trump-1990s-rape-files-new-lawsuit-93899521

Welp, they have him now!/s

The timing of the charges and the new law is certainly interesting.

Vegita-San

11-24-2022, 06:44 PM

my question is, why did this take so long if so air tight?

"A window for such suits will open for one year, after which the usual time limits will be reinstated."

yeah, that's not shifty at all..

and if this is made up, someone on the dems payroll is REALLY trying to dig down deep to get ANYTHING on this guy.
there really should be a law that if you can't prove something after 5 years of non stop harassment, you should have to stop.

ChosenOne

11-24-2022, 08:17 PM

They could at least try a different approach. Keep it fresh for our entertainment, you know? The sexual assault thing's been done before, didn't work and actually even backfired on the Dems.

1987

11-26-2022, 01:46 AM

So now they’re calling Trump “anti-semetic” for having Kanye West over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago and “holocaust denier” Nick Fuentes.

Sumac

11-26-2022, 08:07 AM

I stopped reading your entire post the moment you put me into "the side" thus demonstrating that you are a complete f'n idiot who only thinks in black and white
He is a typical lefty, childish and easily manipulated.

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.
Yet, none resulted in anything substantial, because, I guess, evidence sucks. Giving Leftards passion for jailing Trump, they could have used already, but it seems nothing had happened. Obvious conclusion is that either Leftards incapable of following through with their threats or they do not want to, which rises the question "why?".

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.
And nothing had happened again.
Seems none evidence again, except delusions of Leftards with TDS.

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all.
The truth had been found though: it was Hilarity's allies who ordered creation of "Russian dossier" (famous pee-pee tapes). Ex-Russian agent basically made up fan fiction, sold it to Democrats, hoping they will be too retarded to actually use it. Dems ended being indeed retarded and used it, but when its origins where checked, well, it led to this ex-agent.

So, technically it is Hilarity and her rotten allies, which should be condemned for libel, but we know it won't happen. Silver lining is that Hilarity is finished as a politician anyway, so fabrication didn't help her at all.

It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish.
And what about Hunter Biden and his notebook?

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 08:40 AM

i'm loving the new twitter. no fear of being banned for 'wrong think'
Also people are free to post video of the rioters being calmly lead into the building. it's an open and shut case that this was staged with bad actors at this point.

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ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 09:11 AM

In the end, they have nothing but unwarranted outrage. No evidence, no morals, no nuts (okay, maybe plenty of nuts). Just overgrown, sputtering children throwing a tantrum.

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2022, 09:38 AM

No evidence, no morals, no nuts (okay, maybe plenty of nuts).

No, you’re right about the “no nuts” part. They don’t have nuts or melons anymore.

IMJ

11-26-2022, 11:16 AM

In the end, they have nothing but unwarranted outrage. No evidence

And this is why I am always fixated on pointing out the falsehoods and gaslighting and nonsense of posters here on a level that borders on or even goes into personal attacks. We are the point now where the leftist stragglers need to be crushed immediately when they dig-in on impotent, non-cogent foundations.

The problem with being the dumbest $#!('s on Earth is that the dumb person has absolute failure in computing the depths of their dumbness and instead is bolstered by the feeling of "freedom" granted by their nonsense-outrage. And thus, their dumbness becomes evil. Witch-hunting, scarlet lettering people as "racists" and "misogynists", turning over police cars and simply assigning their life-failure to any "systemic societal problem" they can grasp onto. And those people who can't use the "systemic societal problem" because they are white just use it in a form of allegiance as their outlet.

What we've learned is that all it takes to stir up America's sample size of life-peasants is a Twitter catalyst that makes the peasants think they have support and they mobilize.

And using these forums as a test - we know that I'm right because the more unassailable truth like this post that gets poured out there, the more light is shined on the truth of their behavior and the more they can't handle it. They'll deny it of course and say something like "I just don't want to deal with you" but it's a positional lie. We all know the truth. They know what I'm saying is true, that truth is unwavering and in their impotence they can only move to the internet sewer known as "reddit" where they belong. Where they can huddle together like rats and talk $#!(. In the darkness.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 05:37 PM

I sincerely can't fathom why anyone would ever fight so hard to defend provably awful people just because "dey pwn da libz hard".

Many, many of you have way too much free time and not enough to do.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 05:42 PM

Finally, a post with less than 40 words!

IMJ

11-26-2022, 07:02 PM

I sincerely can't fathom why anyone would ever fight so hard to defend provably awful people just because "dey pwn da libz hard".

Many, many of you have way too much free time and not enough to do.

Never cared about opinions until these people began to tangibly impact society. If it was just a case of mouth-breathers doing their mouth-breather thing, there'd be no reason to push back.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 07:05 PM

Finally, a post with less than 40 words!

Wow, you went all the way back to 2004 for that one, huh? To think, you figured out time travel and THAT's what you did with it.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 07:07 PM

Never cared about opinions until these people began to tangibly impact society. If it was just a case of mouth-breathers doing their mouth-breather thing, there'd be no reason to push back.

Exactly. They're just like Putin, declaring that normal, functioning society has no right to exist one day, and cynically wondering why everyone is fighting so hard against their agenda the next.

Wow, you went all the way back to 2004 for that one, huh? To think, you figured out time travel and THAT's what you did with it.

I did consider the ol' chestnut of going back to make sure you were never born, but as you know, I don't believe in infanticide. Plus, I have way more fun making you wallow in your helpless histrionics as an adult. :)

Leo656

11-26-2022, 07:10 PM

Never cared about opinions until these people began to tangibly impact society.

I don't think "The gay and non-white population is much more visible now" is quite worth so much agitation, to be blunt. It says a ton about people when THAT is what gets their dander up so much they feel the need to take up the metaphorical sword. And that's really all it is, insofar as "these people impacting society". Gay and black people are much louder these days. Okay. Unless you're a bigot nobody should be so mad. And if a person is a bigot then they should simply cease to be, it's that simple.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 07:14 PM

I don't think "The gay and non-white population is much more visible now" is quite worth so much agitation, to be blunt. It says a ton about people when THAT is what gets their dander up so much they feel the need to take up the metaphorical sword. And that's really all it is, insofar as "these people impacting society". Gay and black people are much louder these days. Okay. Unless you're a bigot nobody should be so mad. And if a person is a bigot then they should simply cease to be, it's that simple.

The vast majority of gay/bi and black people find woke culture embarrassing. I should know.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 07:17 PM

People who use terms like "Woke Culture" unironically expose themselves for exactly what they are. :lol:

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 07:21 PM

So do people who use terms like "unironically".

Leo656

11-26-2022, 07:28 PM

Yeah I know that ignorant people hate it whenever anyone uses words they can't pronounce or spell. Sorry you were born in such a sh*thole country, I have no control over that. If God loved you he would've made sure you were born over here. Too bad.

Seriously. Some people wake up and say "I'm gonna be an Internet Troll today!" Instead of shooting themselves in the face. Sad.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 07:37 PM

There you go again with the "god" thing... :roll: Get a room, you two!

And hey, it's not my fault you can't get your hands on a gun. Don't take it out on me.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 07:49 PM

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 07:57 PM

People who use terms like "Woke Culture" unironically expose themselves for exactly what they are. :lol:

woke these days means 'attack straight white people for being who they are'.

and that's, you know, racism.

and god bless the few gay and black people who stand up against this crap. they know they are loosing whatever ground they gained because of it.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 08:06 PM

Maybe it's because unlike a lot of you, I go out ALL the time and gay and non-white people treat me wonderfully, so I can't really be bothered to be bent out of shape about it the way so many of you are.

You're mad about perceived anti-straight, anti-white hatred. Okay. Tons of my friends are black and Hispanic and gay and otherwise so maybe the problem is You All.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 08:07 PM

Brother you don't know how glad I am NJ has the strictest gun control laws in the nation. If people like me were allowed to have guns, half the state would be a smoking ruin. We have a little thing called "common sense" over here, which is why people pay out the nose to live here. It's objectively The Place Everyone Wants To Be. The fact that outside of Newark you're never even gonna see a gun is a big part of that. And I say that as a huge 2A supporter; some people DON'T need access to firearms and I'm 100% one of them, I'm violent and vindictive and impulsive. Good for society for knowing how to cut a problem off at the root. Too bad the rest of the country isn't so prescient to know how to handle their sh*t logically.

Ten grand a year in property taxes, BUT you don't gotta lock your door at night. I'll take it.

On the other hand, if "everyone" had a gun and some mook decided to go on a spree, they'd get shot down mighty quick. Checks and balances. And you're not taking illegal guns - which are the problem more often than not - into consideration. Criminals aren't just gonna hand in their pieces if someone repeals 2A... They're criminals, breaking the law is their bread and butter. What the country needs is airtight background checks and evaluations to ensure no one like you described can get their hands on a gun. At least legally.

Maybe it's because unlike a lot of you, I go out ALL the time and gay and non-white people treat me wonderfully, so I can't really be bothered to be bent out of shape about it the way so many of you are.

You're mad about perceived anti-straight, anti-white hatred. Okay. Tons of my friends are black and Hispanic and gay and otherwise so maybe the problem is You All.

Dude, I'm bi. (And an atheist, in case you randomly decide to bring up god again.)

Leo656

11-26-2022, 08:12 PM

On the other hand, if "everyone" had a gun and some mook decided to go on a spree, they'd get shot down mighty quick. Checks and balances. And you're not taking illegal guns - which are the problem more often than not - into consideration. Criminals aren't just gonna hand in their pieces if someone repeals 2A... They're criminals, breaking the law is their bread and butter. What the country needs is airtight background checks and evaluations to ensure no one like you described can get their hands on a gun. At least legally.

The benefits of NJ being a "Sopranos State".

The Mafia has the guns, and they in turn have a strong hand in deciding who gets them and who doesn't. They don't want any unnecessary competition, so they ensure that sh*t stays tight.

But aside from all that, the fact that we do have "airtight background checks" and almost zero-tolerance is another big part of why almost nobody ever gets shot over here. The Mob controls the flow of "illegal guns" and the law takes care of the rest. It is SO HARD to get a gun here, and in turn, almost nobody ever gets shot.

It's a good system, it works.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 08:13 PM

The benefits of NJ being a "Sopranos State".

The Mafia has the guns, and they in turn have a strong hand in deciding who gets them and who doesn't. They don't want any unnecessary competition, so they ensure that sh*t stays tight.

But aside from all that, the fact that we do have "airtight background checks" and almost zero-tolerance is another big part of why almost nobody ever gets shot over here. The Mob controls the flow of "illegal guns" and the law takes care of the rest. It is SO HARD to get a gun here, and in turn, almost nobody ever gets shot.

It's a good system, it works.

Ah. I figured that might play into it. Doesn't sound bad at all. Not every other state is that lucky, though.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 08:16 PM

Dude, I'm bi.

Good for you, congratulations on having the courage to post that out loud in a place like this that is overflowing with anti-gay hatred for whatever reason it is.

Regardless, you stand by and say nothing at all whenever that bigotry raises its head as it often does around here, so I still have lots of questions. Like I know I crack jokes but in actuality homophobia is one of my buttons, I won't tolerate it. I'm not your Dad but I think you could do more to be supportive of your "brethren".

Leo656

11-26-2022, 08:19 PM

Ah. I figured that might play into it. Doesn't sound bad at all. Not every other state is that lucky, though.

Every state WISHES it was NJ, they just pretend otherwise. :lol:

We have beaches AND mountains AND forests AND cities AND suburbs AND everything in between. It's like every bit of the human existence condensed into a state you could drive from A to Z inside of three hours. We don't get earthquakes, we don't get tornadoes or hurricanes except once every few decades and we even told Covid to f*ck off completely AND IT DID.

This is the spot. The ONLY thing that sucks is how expensive it is, but NJ is America. If there is a God I'll die here. I'd never want to leave.

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 08:27 PM

you are sounding more woke with each and every post dude.

We accept all, of differing opinions. the key is, don't be a jerk.

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 08:30 PM

Dude, I'm bi. (And an atheist, in case you randomly decide to bring up god again.)

and this is why the left wokeist will fail. they assume check boxes without listening...or caring when proven wrong. These days, if you are black and don't line up with the narrative, you get 'ain't black enough'.... or, a woman getting called a misogynist for hating a all female lead movie. you can't write crap like this up it's so stupid..

Leo656

11-26-2022, 08:37 PM

you are sounding more woke with each and every post dude.

And to Campbell's Twitter minions I'm "a hateful bigot" because I call their sh*t out too. If both sets of extremists hate me, that just proves I'm doing something right.

I've never claimed to be anything but a firm centrist. Centrism only looks like extremism to people on the far opposite end. So if I look like a "Wokester" to you, then congratulations, you've started drinking the Alt-Right Kool-Aid. I hear the current flavor is Cherry.

and this is why the left wokeist will fail. they assume check boxes without listening...or caring when proven wrong. These days, if you are black and don't line up with the narrative, you get 'ain't black enough'.... or, a woman getting called a misogynist for hating a all female lead movie. you can't write crap like this up it's so stupid..

And most black people I know work 40+ hours a week, don't even have social media, and can't be bothered with ANY of this stuff.

Like I said, it pays to visit Real Life more than occasionally. It grants tons and tons of perspective on how Real People - not Social Media NPCs - actually think and behave.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 08:41 PM

Good for you, congratulations on having the courage to post that out loud in a place like this that is overflowing with anti-gay hatred for whatever reason it is.

Regardless, you stand by and say nothing at all whenever that bigotry raises its head as it often does around here, so I still have lots of questions. Like I know I crack jokes but in actuality homophobia is one of my buttons, I won't tolerate it. I'm not your Dad but I think you could do more to be supportive of your "brethren".

I disagree on your first point. Anti-woke rhetoric isn't the same as anti-gay, not by a longshot. I've never felt or seen that hatred you mention around people who think like me. It's just a big boogieman notion the left came up with to be even more divisive.

I know full well you're not my dad. We wouldn't have exchanged so many words if you were, and you'd have to be a lot douchier. Not as bright, too. And unlike him, you're a family man, which I respect.

My "brethren" is every other person I come across, doesn't really matter who or what they are. It's not that I don't see color or orientation, it's just that they don't matter outside of being as trivial as someone's shoe size. I support them just fine by treating them as they are: the same as everyone else. No more, no less.

Oh, and the best part about being bi? When someone calls you a c*cks*cker, you get to smirk and say they have no idea.

ChosenOne

11-26-2022, 08:45 PM

I hear the current flavor is Cherry.

Not Orange?

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 08:58 PM

I get out all the time and don't watch fox news, either :). shocker, I know :).

All I'm saying is that how you wrote the last few posts sounds like left leaning talking points.

especially 'maybe it's you, that's the problem'.....

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:00 PM

Not Orange?

Nobody sincerely likes orange-flavored ANYthing. :lol:

Like I could easily be a Juggalo if not for the whole Faygo thing.

Jester

11-26-2022, 09:04 PM

So...Orange Kool-aid Bad?

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:04 PM

All I'm saying is that how you wrote the last few posts sounds like left leaning talking points.

especially 'maybe it's you, that's the problem'.....

And again, those on the Far-Left say the exact same thing about me from the other end, that I'm clearly a bigot, racist, and homophobe.

Which means I'm doing a fantastic job of walking the straight line in the middle, which is where 99% of Real Life takes place.

I don't think treating people like Human Beings and not tokens in some real-life game of Risk is either "left-leaning" or "right-leaning" and ought to just plain be Common Sense. But I'm on the internet, where radicalization is the rule, and so I know my words are dying helplessly in the void.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:06 PM

So...Orange Kool-aid Bad?

It should shock no one that I'm partial to Rock-A-Dile Red. :lol:

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2022, 09:07 PM

You're mad about perceived anti-straight, anti-white hatred.

“Just shut up, you cisgender straight white male!”

Doesn’t hearing that make you mad, or at least a little annoyed? And ironically, you’ll most likely hear it from a white person.

When even frickin’ soda companies like Coca Cola start instructing their employees to reject their “whiteness”, how are white people supposed to react? “Well, black and gay people have it way worse than we do so we really shouldn’t complain.” Uh, no. No form of hatred and bigotry should be tolerated, even if it’s aimed toward white people.

Rejecting woke nonsense doesn’t automatically make you anti-SJW or anti-LGBTQ or anti-black; it just makes you a rational person. Conservatives reject it, libertarians reject it, and liberals reject it. Only far-left nutjobs defend it.

Jester

11-26-2022, 09:10 PM

It should shock no one that I'm partial to Rock-A-Dile Red. :lol:
Love it, Sharkleberry Fin, Great Bluedini, and Purplesaurus Rex.

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 09:21 PM

So...Orange Kool-aid Bad?

oh no...they got to jester too ;o)

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 09:24 PM

“Just shut up, you cisgender straight white male!”

Doesn’t hearing that make you mad, or at least a little annoyed? And ironically, you’ll most likely hear it from a white person.

When even frickin’ soda companies like Coca Cola start instructing their employees to reject their “whiteness”, how are white people supposed to react? “Well, black and gay people have it way worse than we do so we really shouldn’t complain.” Uh, no. No form of hatred and bigotry should be tolerated, even if it’s aimed toward white people.

Rejecting woke nonsense doesn’t automatically make you anti-SJW or anti-LGBTQ or anti-black; it just makes you a rational person. Conservatives reject it, libertarians reject it, and liberals reject it. Only far-left nutjobs defend it.

Bingo. 98% of the time, 'Cis' is used as an insult. like they are annoyed you are 'normal' and they are 'ab normal'. which says more about them then you.
Personally, I'd take ab normal as a sign of pride, myself. all the normies are weird these days :)

I also don't go around saying how many gay and black and whatever friends I have :). that's not treating them like a person, but a left leaning talking point :). It's HOW one says things that makes them seem like they are on one side or the other, even if they aren't.

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:29 PM

“Just shut up, you cisgender straight white male!”

Doesn’t hearing that make you mad, or at least a little annoyed? And ironically, you’ll most likely hear it from a white person.

...On the internet. I have ONLY ever encountered such nonsense on The Internet. And I can only laugh, in such scenarios, and let those people think whatever they want, because they clearly don't know me at all. Nothing I could say would ever change their mind, either.

Like what am I gonna do, fist-fight Campbell's entire Twitter because some of the people there think I hate gay people? I have Real Life Sh*t to do. I can't be bothered with that sh*t. When people in Real Life start coming at me with that kinda sh*t, I'll care. So far, nobody ever has. Hopefully, they never will. And if they do, they can try; There's only figuratively millions of people who'd counter their assessment with some variant of "Naaaaah he ain't like that." I know who has my back and who doesn't.

Once more, not to be "big time" but I'm out in the Real World every day, and I see the disparity between how people act in Real Life vs. on The Internet. MOST people don't even know what "cis" means, what "Woke" means, because most people have f*cking jobs and Real Life Problems.

If this sh*t is your crusade, you're not busy enough. There is no nicer way to put it. If you're defending a politician who wouldn't stop to piss on you if you were on fire, you have too much free time. If you spend your afternoons railing against the Woke Boogeyman on a dead message board, you have too much free time. I'm not even being mean. I'm on here today because it's Saturday night and I'm half-drunk; during the week, my "free time" is midnight to 4am and I will be god f*cking damned if This Sh*t is gonna be my priority anymore.

Y'all do what you want and all I can do is call it like I see it, same as always. People with No F*cking Lives, tilting at windmills. "Same As It Ever Was."

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:33 PM

Bingo. 98% of the time, 'Cis' is used as an insult. like they are annoyed you are 'normal' and they are 'ab normal'. which says more about them then you.
Personally, I'd take ab normal as a sign of pride, myself. all the normies are weird these days :)

I also don't go around saying how many gay and black and whatever friends I have :). that's not treating them like a person, but a left leaning talking point :). It's HOW one says things that makes them seem like they are on one side or the other, even if they aren't.

And WHERE do you go and congregate where those are Actual Conversations?!

I suspect it's just message boards and comments sections. In Real Life people generally don't talk or act like that. I know those people exist, but just like the Alex Jones types, they're so far on the fringes of society that no sane person even gives them the time of day.

Also, it is Not My Fault I know so many gay and black people. But since I do, I find it pays to let their perspective influence my own, seeing as how I'm not actually omnipotent. Frankly I'd be shocked if some'a y'all knew ANY, and I'm sure you don't act the way you do Here in front of Them.

Vegita-San

11-26-2022, 09:42 PM

yep, online message board conversations. I don't interact with those people, I just read how they intended it to sound, shake my head, and move on. Don't even bother to interact with them most of the time. but it's clearly meant to be hateful, and that's not good.

Same with Trump. I could care less if he dropped dead tomorrow. I'd mourn the loss of potential, if that, and move on. what I DON'T like is people smearing someone in a non stop 24/7 hate campaign. Politician or not, the only person who deserves something like that is a literal hitler, which he is far from.

I 'defend' him if only to drive people away from that non stop anger and hate, which isn't healthy. You'll notice I'm not defending that nut job alex jones....who used a tragedy to enrich himself and boost his career :).

Leo656

11-26-2022, 09:48 PM

Well see, therein is the flaw in your logic. You're taking Internet Rhetoric and conflating it with how Real People talk, think, act and behave. You need to consider the source. If they're on the internet going on some limp-dicked rant, they're 1. Not at work, and 2. Not spending time with family/friends. That means they're presently unproductive at life. Don't get emotional, just laugh and/or sigh. They're not even real people.

Always remember Carlin's Thesis: "F*ck those people, if they knew anything at all then they wouldn't be riding the bus."

CyberCubed

11-26-2022, 10:00 PM

I've never heard anyone say anything other than gay/lesbian/bisexual in real life.

All those 50+ other genders and sexual orientations you see people say online is just an internet thing.

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2022, 10:13 PM

I've never heard anyone say anything other than gay/lesbian/bisexual in real life.

All those 50+ other genders and sexual orientations you see people say online is just an internet thing.

You’ve obviously never heard of the girl in Australia who identifies as a cat. :lol:

Leo656

11-26-2022, 10:17 PM

My Dad was an interesting guy. Like, he used slurs, as everyone raised in his generation did, but he didn't actually hate anyone. Very strange to hear some of the stuff he'd say out loud.

Like, to hear him speak on gay people, it was kinda like, "I got no problem with f*****s, who gives a sh*t? It probably feels good, I mean sh*t, you figure more and more people wanna do it, must be fun, right? *I* ain't into it but I'unno, whatever, if they wanna be f*****s then let 'em, they ain't hurtin' anybody!" :lol:

I imagine that's as "enlightened" as someone raised in the 1960s in a Catholic family could ever possibly be. Likewise, he dropped a lot of N-bombs but also threw people out of the house for being Sincerely Racist.

From him I learned that people are often rather complicated creatures. Sometimes not, but other times very much so.

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2022, 10:24 PM

My Dad was kinda like that too.

He started a business of his own and hired people based on their skills and not on their skin color. He wouldn’t hesitate to give one of the black employees a ride in his car if they needed it.

But he was pretty prejudiced himself. One time we were watching a trial on his computer and this black girl came up on the stand. She defended her boyfriend who was obviously up to no good, and my Dad said to the screen, “Oh, shut up and eat your watermelon.” If he was still married to my Mom, she would’ve smacked him for sure.

mrmaczaps

11-27-2022, 01:23 PM

You’ve obviously never heard of the girl in Australia who identifies as a cat. :lol:

Bath Maine has a ship building company that saw some employees petition the company for, fvck this insanity, human sized litter boxes because they identify as furries or cats/dogs (I don't recall, specifically)... and thankfully the company said basically, they do not hire animals and no one is allowed to sh!t on the ground at work... thankfully.

These folks need to be locked up. A small padded cell, with white jackets with extra long sleeves that tie behind their backs....

Vegita-San

12-07-2022, 08:07 PM

uhp, I guess twitter has him now with the tax returns and crime charges!
How soon do you expect this one to be buried under the rug? faster than Paul's gay affair gone bad?

Coola Yagami

12-07-2022, 08:18 PM

They'll never stop til the dude drops dead.

Autbot_Benz

12-07-2022, 08:27 PM

faster than Paul's gay affair gone bad?

Paul Pelosi never had a gay love affair don't tell me you believe that Q-anon conspiracy nonsense :roll:

Coola Yagami

12-07-2022, 08:29 PM

Paul Pelosi never had a gay love affair don't tell me you believe that Q-anon conspiracy nonsense :roll:

I think the last few years taught most everyone that 'conspiracy theories' are pretty much spoilers.

ChosenOne

12-07-2022, 08:42 PM

Paul Pelosi got Jussie Smollett'd.

Mayhem

12-19-2022, 03:10 PM

Another step slowly forward I suppose…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/64006557

Obstruction of an official proceeding: This statute makes it a crime to "corruptly" obstruct, influence, or impede, any official proceeding, or to attempt to do so. The committee recommended this charge as they say Trump deliberately attempted to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 election results.

Conspiracy to defraud the United States: This crime entails "two or more persons conspiring either to commit any offence against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof". The committee believes Trump worked with others to impede the function of the US government and mislead the public about the results.

Conspiracy to make a false statement: This statue makes it a crime for a government official to cover up a scheme, make materially false statements, or issue false statements or documents with the knowledge the information isn’t true. The committee claims Trump and his backers’ planned to submit a slate of false electors in key swing states who would have handed him the presidency in defiance of election results.

Insurrection: This crime relates to inciting, assisting, or engaging "in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States." The committee argues that Trump encouraged his supporters to come to Washington and cause havoc, and as the attack was going on, failed to take appropriate action to end the violence.

Vegita-San

12-19-2022, 03:14 PM

ChosenOne

12-19-2022, 05:42 PM

Some leftist f*ckers are always trying to iceskate uphill.

Galactus

12-20-2022, 06:06 PM

yawn. yet his last two tweets where urging peaceful demonstration.

https://i.imgflip.com/wshzz.jpg

and thanks to trumps real announcement, now we know why the dems are trying to stop him at all cost.

hope congress looks deep into ftx too.

You are correct. The NFT announcement was a diversionary tactic to sneak in a message about free speech and God Emperor Trump and his angel on Earth Elon will make the ultimate decision of what is free speech. The grand plan proceeds apace and no laws can stop him now. An elementary chess player may think two or three moves ahead but the Donald thinks five Stratego moves ahead. Soon the dragon of Budapest shall and rise and liberals will be forced to kneel at the sacred tit of Attila.

IndigoErth

12-21-2022, 12:54 PM

His real announcement... Please, that likely only came out because he got made fun of. A plan to protect something already protected in the Constitution (the document he wants to tear parts out of, if not entirely, no less) what an easy, no effort choice to make.

ChosenOne

12-21-2022, 02:26 PM

Y'all sound perfectly reasonable and not at all like witch hunters.

IndigoErth

12-21-2022, 02:54 PM

I know, right? It's as if it's perfectly okay to doubt his motives.

Vegita-San

12-21-2022, 03:14 PM

I know, right? It's as if it's perfectly okay to doubt his motives.

yet, all the proof constantly points to 'the other guys'..with actual evidence. and nothing gets done, just ignored. so, sounds like a witch hunt, yes?

Galactus

12-21-2022, 03:41 PM

yet, all the proof constantly points to 'the other guys'..with actual evidence. and nothing gets done, just ignored. so, sounds like a witch hunt, yes?

Being serious for a moment: This is just bullsh*t.

There is TONS of evidence that Trump is guilty not just orchestrating the events of January 6th but of multiple other crimes.

People have said this multiple times but the reason nothing ever gets done is there is a longstanding fear in the establishment that putting someone who serves or served in high office in prison would tear the US apart. Nixon cried witch hunt too and like the MAGA chuds many of his supporters went along with it. The general belief was had he not been pardoned his supporters would have turned violent. January 6th was the sad realisation of those fears. That means despite there is enough evidence to put Trump in prison for the rest of his life he will likely never be charged. This does NOT mean he is innocent or that investigations into him are witch hunts.

By the way all of the above applies to going after the immediate relatives of high ranking officials. So if you are creaming yourself at the prospect of Hunter Biden being locked up that is unlikely to happen either.

IMJ

12-21-2022, 04:12 PM

Being serious for a moment: This is just bullsh*t.

There is TONS of evidence that Trump is guilty not just orchestrating the events of January 6th but of multiple other crimes.

People have said this multiple times but the reason nothing ever gets done is there is a longstanding fear in the establishment that putting someone who serves or served in high office in prison would tear the US apart. Nixon cried witch hunt too and like the MAGA chuds many of his supporters went along with it. The general belief was had he not been pardoned his supporters would have turned violent. January 6th was the sad realisation of those fears. That means despite there is enough evidence to put Trump in prison for the rest of his life he will likely never be charged. This does NOT mean he is innocent or that investigations into him are witch hunts.

By the way all of the above applies to going after the immediate relatives of high ranking officials. So if you are creaming yourself at the prospect of Hunter Biden being locked up that is unlikely to happen either.

The problem with leftist witch-hunts is that they just keep employing them until something sticks. This tactic works against anyone on Earth - it's just whether or not people are insane enough to keep targeting someone on a long enough timeline to hem them up in something.

I guarantee that if a group of people did this long enough to you as a regular person you'd eventually wind up in prison for something dug up on you or you were maneuvered into doing based on the witch-hunt itself. I'm saying this without knowing anything about your own background - criminal or otherwise.

And that's the point - it doesn't matter. That's the evil of a witch-hunt. They just nip maniacally until the hunted can fingered at any level that the peasants can focus on and say "that's it!"

Galactus

12-21-2022, 04:34 PM

^^^

No one is digging decades into his past to find minor crimes to to ruin his image; They are looking into HUGE crimes he committed only a few years ago while he was PRESIDENT.

I suppose these things will 'stick' to him in the sense that his legacy will forever be tainted but it likely wont stick to him in the sense that someone in a position of relevant authority will break with tradition and actually charge him for these crimes. Just think about that for one second; there is significant evidence to show Trump planned a violent coup to overturn a legitimate election and stole several classified documents including nuclear secrets and people are afraid to prosecute him. When you put it into words how f*cked up does that sound?

If you still think it's witch hunt then I assume you also think it's a witch hunt that the FBI investigated Hillary's emails or that there will be further investigations into Hunter Biden?

ChosenOne

12-21-2022, 05:55 PM

By all means, keep digging. You're more liable to dig your own sociopolitical grave than any perceived "dirt" on Trump.

member_removed

12-21-2022, 06:51 PM

So it's only a "witch hunt" if the it's the left/RINO's? Is this correct?

All other investigations are legit and accountable.

Good to know.

ChosenOne

12-21-2022, 07:18 PM

And knowing's half the battle.

IndigoErth

12-21-2022, 07:37 PM

https://i.imgur.com/GMFr71Z.gif

Unless it's misinformation. That just creates unnecessary battles that end up investigated.

IMJ

12-21-2022, 08:44 PM

So it's only a "witch hunt" if the it's the left/RINO's? Is this correct?

All other investigations are legit and accountable.

Good to know.

It's a witch-hunt when it's a witch-hunt. It's that simple. If the perspective of truth on this happens to damage your position at this time, that's not my problem. That's your ego.

My post a page back stands as-is. I have literally, not one time seen a leftist/left-defender here on these forums not use circumplexic logic to tackle an argument through nothing more than verbal-jitsu. Not one time have I seen a leftist on these forums not dig-in on their bull$#!( even when hit with an unassailable truth such as that witch-hunts are hate-tools that simply work by granularization over time.

They would work on every single one of you here with enough repetition, fair or unfair, deserved or otherwise. Especially in a crowd like this where collegiate discourse and valid intellectualism are lacking almost completely. Hell - a guy who tried to sandbag me with a witch-hunt here recently even said, ironically that the people here aren't equipped to even have these conversations. That's very telling.

Circumplexic, verbal-judo doesn't make you smart. All the leftist responses here are typically nothing more than vitriol and anger at failure or vitriol and self-righteousness in any perceived or real victory.

Constant and routine witch-hunting is a sign of sociopathic people who demand their victory at someone else's expense and the nature of the witch-hunt is that if you employ it enough you will create a victory whether valid or not. It's simply a tool of hate for the haters.

Turo602

12-22-2022, 03:18 PM

Hell - a guy who tried to sandbag me with a witch-hunt here recently even said, ironically that the people here aren't equipped to even have these conversations. That's very telling.

LMAO! That was a witch hunt? My posts couldn't have made it any clearer that wasn't the case. But if that's how you feel, I'm sorry.

Mayhem

12-28-2022, 02:57 PM

Tax returns to go public Friday. Funny part is, the public are more likely to better find the dirt than the Committee will… maybe that’s why?!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/27/donald-trump-tax-returns-release-confirmation

Mayhem

12-30-2022, 03:17 AM

Summed up quite well…

https://i.imgur.com/fnb6SI6.jpg

ChosenOne

12-30-2022, 08:18 AM

This one works too.

https://i.ibb.co/jzTcrzy/75vfus.jpg

Bahamut810

12-30-2022, 08:40 AM

Summed up quite well…

https://i.imgur.com/fnb6SI6.jpg

Wait...wasn't the guy on the left the comedian that made a boob groping joke like a decade before and stepped down?

Vegita-San

12-30-2022, 09:05 AM

democrats are insane at this point. keep doing the same thing expecting it to work this time.

IMJ

12-30-2022, 10:00 AM

Lots of people talking about people which can be done with incredible depth of nonsense either way, but not lots of political science to back it up.

Here's another life experience - something I don't read a lot of here: If you ask felony-level inmates what their political orientation is, most of them will tell you "Democrat because they are for the people and Republicans are only for business and money".

I'd say let that sink-in but many here would read that and go "okay, yeah and?" And therein is my point. Across multiple levels.

IndigoErth

12-30-2022, 03:35 PM

democrats are insane at this point. keep doing the same thing expecting it to work this time.
With the rate that they are keeping mum on George Santos, seems republicans are likewise deeply afflicted with that behavior and insanity.

-------

Trump: "...these people looked very trashy, but also look at what fighters they were.”
He loves his cannon fodder so much. <3

ChosenOne

12-31-2022, 04:13 PM

Rent-free, 24/7. It's almost immoral not to pay for it.

Mayhem

01-01-2023, 07:57 AM

Frankly I’m stunned, stunned I say :lol::roll:

https://www.themarysue.com/it-looks-like-trump-lied-about-donating-his-presidential-salary

ChosenOne

01-01-2023, 09:17 AM

Frankly I’m stunned, stunned I say :lol::roll:

https://www.themarysue.com/it-looks-like-trump-lied-about-donating-his-presidential-salary

Oh my, such an unbiased write-up! It's bound to be true!

:roll:

Cowabung-Gal

01-01-2023, 09:56 AM

Frankly I’m stunned, stunned I say :lol::roll:

https://www.themarysue.com/it-looks-like-trump-lied-about-donating-his-presidential-salary

Wait, The Mary Sue? That’s your beacon of truth? You need a better source, hon.

https://nerdreactor.com/2019/03/06/the-mary-sue-all-negative-captain-marvel-reviews-are-from-men/

Coola Yagami

01-11-2023, 07:43 PM

So his tax returns have been exposed for a while now. So like, what happened with that? Weren't they demanding those since he hit office? Like... Did anything happen at all?

Vegita-San

01-11-2023, 08:04 PM

nope. notta thing. they are looking for ANYTHING on him to get him too run, even if they have a good idea it's not there.

And now Biden had classified documents, lots of them, that he took illegaly as VP. hmm... if the dems accuse a pub about something, chances are it's self reflecting.

Coola Yagami

01-11-2023, 08:09 PM

Vegita-San

01-11-2023, 08:13 PM

because these people have tds. they think that even dragging his name up with 'bad press' will damage him. But, all they've done, is prove they are idiots, and made him stronger. and turning people against the democrats. afew youtube channels I watch stated they used to be democrats, but arn't any longer.

this is the disease that is woke. makes you deranged and dumb.

Galactus

01-11-2023, 08:32 PM

So why was it such a big deal? People have been bitching about his tax returns for years. And then they were metaphorically dancing with glee as they counted down the days that they were going to be released.

Because it was believed that the tax returns would contain proof of criminal activity on his part...which contrary to what Vegita-San says they did.

As I keep pointing out on here having proof that Trump committing crimes means nothing unless the relevant authorities are willing to prosecute him for those crimes. We've discussed the reasons why they haven't so far: firstly the belief is that by locking up former presidents - even if it's justified - opens the door to future governments unjustly locking up their political rivals. Secondly there is the simple fact is when a politician of high office is pursued in this way it emboldens their supporters and the fear is it can potentially lead to a violent insurrection. This has been a long held fear which has seen numerous politicians get away with committing crimes. January 6th was basically a sad realisation of many of those fears.

Now I've said before that the scale of Trump's crimes may be so big that for the first time in history someone may have the guts to actually prosecute but it will likely be for something small scale like the tax evasion shown in his returns rather than the more extreme stuff that may see him go to prison. The idea would be that it will stop him from running for president again but since he'd be free his supporters may not end taking up arms again.

Still even that scenario is unlikely. While this means liberals shouldn't be waiting with glee for Trump to be indicted it also means right wingers shouldn't brainwash themselves that just because he's not in prison means he didn't do anything wrong.

Cowabung-Gal

01-11-2023, 08:45 PM

While this means liberals shouldn't be waiting with glee for Trump to be indicted it also means right wingers shouldn't brainwash themselves that just because he's not in prison means he didn't do anything wrong.

I agree. Bill and Hillary Clinton aren’t in prison but that doesn’t mean they’re innocent. In fact, how many politicians should be in jail right now instead of running this country?

“Now I oughta throw the whole […] jacked-up bunch of you in prison. Not that cushy federal place with the loose jumpsuits. State prison... with the crotch binders!”
-Governor Lewis, Evolution

Andrew NDB

01-11-2023, 09:46 PM

The odds of any tax evasion are slim to none. The left continues to have this really bizarre idea that come every tax season, Trump himself is like huddled over his books in a dark room alone, cooking up lies and schemes to illegally avoid taxes. And not just, you know, every year Trump hiring and having the best most competent tax law attorneys money can buy doing his taxes for him, using every legal caveat available.

And even if they did find something dodgy which I doubt, Trump could just sue whatever tax law attorneys prepared his taxes for whatever year. It'd be like paying H&R Block to do your taxes one year and it turns out one year they accidentally stiffed the government for a bunch of money, or they forgot to include one of the W2s you gave them. That isn't on you, that's on H&R Block.

This is really very simple stuff.

ChosenOne

01-12-2023, 05:25 AM

Because it was believed that the tax returns would contain proof of criminal activity on his part...

You just want to find something, anything, on him sooo bad that you're even willing to see and believe stuff that’s just not there. You're not hurting Trump. You'll never hurt Trump. There's nothing to find. You're only hurting yourself.

joe-eyeball

01-12-2023, 09:28 AM

The tax thing with Trump has always made me laugh! He has hired many professionals that do his taxes that find loopholes for all of his deductions. It’s not Don and Melania sitting down at the kitchen table in April sweating on what to do next! Even if they do find discrepancies the IRS won’t prosecute at all! They will just send a tax bill to the necessary parties. Prosecution takes time and costs money. It’s easier to just say hey pay this or else!

Vegita-San

01-12-2023, 09:55 AM

and also, his supporters did not take up arms. they where the peacful protestors. the ones that did the damage where the antifa infiltrators.

joe-eyeball

01-12-2023, 10:17 AM

and also, his supporters did not take up arms. they where the peacful protestors. the ones that did the damage where the antifa infiltrators.

My thoughts on that are simply this: if the riots that occurred during the summer of 2020 protests were mostly peaceful then so was January 6th. The overwhelming majority of people that were there outside the Capital on that day didn’t do anything destructive, as is true for the summer protests. That’s not to say we should disregard any wrongdoing that took place in either case, but you’d have to be brain dead to either not see or just blatantly ignore the hypocrisy of all of this.

Coola Yagami

01-12-2023, 01:19 PM

My thoughts on that are simply this: if the riots that occurred during the summer of 2020 protests were mostly peaceful then so was January 6th. The overwhelming majority of people that were there outside the Capital on that day didn’t do anything destructive, as is true for the summer protests. That’s not to say we should disregard any wrongdoing that took place in either case, but you’d have to be brain dead to either not see or just blatantly ignore the hypocrisy of all of this.

To be fair, with that many people over at J9, if it wasn't a 'peaceful protest', the Capital would have been demolished. Not to the ground mind you, but countless counts of destruction and vandalism. More than just some selfies and putting your feet up on Pelosi's desk, the one person everyone suddenly forgot they hated.

joe-eyeball

01-12-2023, 01:30 PM

To be fair, with that many people over at J9, if it wasn't a 'peaceful protest', the Capital would have been demolished. Not to the ground mind you, but countless counts of destruction and vandalism. More than just some selfies and putting your feet up on Pelosi's desk, the one person everyone suddenly forgot they hated.

Exactly! I mean the whole of congress went back into that very same building hours later and took care of business! We certainly couldn’t say the same for some people that lost their businesses and also in an especially unique case in Washington where several city blocks were taken over and occupied for weeks! Many will still remember it all as “The Summer of Love” and January 6th as the absolute most horribly disgusting and darkest day where we almost lost it all event!:lol:

IndigoErth

01-12-2023, 01:43 PM

Those who stayed out there protesting, not attacking anyone, are not the problem. Those people are fine. But far too many got swept up in participating in the mob riot, beating police to a pulp, breaking windows and entering the Capitol, trashing the place, threatening the lives of law makers... To still insist it was antifa because you don't like the truth -- come on.

Is it really so damaging to some people's world view to accept that yes, Trump supporters who seriously lost control of themselves, who YOU (rhetorically speaking) were presumably not involved with and not accountable for in any way, did that? If not... what's up with the group think and shoving away "guilt" for the events of that day by pretending it had to be someone else, when that guilt for what they did wasn't ever yours?

Exact same with other protests. Those who did so peacefully are fine. Convict the ones who caused chaos and harm. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed and I don't care who is crossing it, there should be no excuse.

I can understand not wanting the truth to be what it is or still supporting a politician or party even despite it, but pretending the truth is different than what it is as if your life depends on it...wtf.

Am I sitting here pretending Biden didn't have documents in his garage that should have been in D.C. or at the very least returned when his term as VP was ending? Or pretending they must have been planted? No. I'm not. Accountability all around, no matter who does it. It doesn't sound like he had much, and doesn't sound like he's fighting it or demanding that they belong to him, unlike that other guy, and I'm not going to assume there was malicious intent unless that come to light, but if he shouldn't have them he's accountable for them being in his possession no matter if there was any ill intent or not.