Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA founder, dead at 31 after Utah campus shooting

[The Deadman]

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-valley-university

He was shot during a live debate. This comes a few days after he blasted the media for not caring more about the Ukraine girl that was stabbed and killed on a train.

[Autbot_Benz]

Kirk said gun deaths are necessary for keeping 2nd amendment rights so...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/

Turning Point USA CEO and co-founder Charlie Kirk said of gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

[ToTheNines]

You libs are making me sick with your 2nd amendment “gotcha”. I’m sure Kirk would still hold the same position, regardless of his fate. It’s essentially no different than saying “it’s unfortunate that accidents will happen and people will die, but I still think people should have the right to own/drive cars”.

A gun is just a tool. It is probably the most effective/efficient way to kill someone, but it’s still just a tool.

This whacko decided he wanted to kill a public figure. He could have poisoned him, ran him over, threw a Molotov cocktail, set off a bomb, shanked him, the list goes on. The method doesn’t really matter, but y’all fall for the bait every single time.

[ranger_scout]

:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: That is all I have to say.

[Andrew NDB]

I was actually watching one of his videos this morning while getting ready. His college campus Q&As are always popping up in my Youtube and mileage may vary but some are pretty hard-hitting at times. I feel like there's been a good number of these where he may have actually changed someone's mind or at least made them genuinely go back and reexamine their values.

Of course, I'd roll my eyes and tune out whenever he'd shifts things to religion and God (and he never needed to do that) but he seldom wasn't making incredibly logical arguments beyond that.

[Vegita-San]

he was assassinated. most likely by a liberal leftard.

[Vegita-San]

Of course, I'd roll my eyes and tune out whenever he'd shifts things to religion and God (and he never needed to do that) but he seldom wasn't making incredibly logical arguments beyond that.

As a non believer myself, I'd do the same eye rolling. but, I'd rather have christian rise than islamic rise, if anything.

[KaraiLover09]

The more I read on the guy, the more I see that nothing of value was lost.

[The Deadman]

Kirk said gun deaths are necessary for keeping 2nd amendment rights so...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/

I see nothing has changed.

[Stu_Padasso]

I honestly don’t understand the rationale behind doing this sort of thing. It’s not the same as eliminating a high value military commander or head of state at a time of war. It only discredits your own movement and creates a martyr.

Unless they believe that they are at war. And that worries me.

The more I read on the guy, the more I see that nothing of value was lost.

Oh, my. How edgy. You must be the coolest kid at school.

[Mayhem]

I was a bit surprised that most of the major social places where you can upload video to were certainly not appearing to be rushing to take down what happened from the multiple sources posting ?

As for Kirk himself, see attached as to why a significant number of people are not mourning his passing. Live by spouting hate, die by someone evidently objecting. Obviously I went to check (having been in bed) if the suspect had been identified, only to find the second person they arrested has been released too. So we still don’t know their motives or who they are.

Hasn’t stoped all the far right shills spewing vile and hatred towards the left, saying they are evil and wanting war, like they presume the shooter is Democrat. This is Utah, probability is more he is white, Mormon and Republican.

And THAT’S the exact evidence about just who Kirk was, according to someone I know who met and debated him. On camera, menable. Off camera, totally different person.


https://i.imgur.com/te5K8si.jpeg

[Walkabout]

It's a sad state of affairs how people are gloating that this man has been murdered, or assassinated as it were.

[Mayhem]

School shootings are so normalised now, no one is really commenting how there were another three deaths in Colorado at the same time, just merely frothing over this. Schools are so passe, assassination? That's the headline grabber and talking point!

All the right wing shills are getting so worked up about it because they are worried, worried that this could happen to them in the future because they are being and have been such divisive, hateful arseholes. It's like Luigi 2.0 but with political commentators instead of CEOs.

It's a sad state of affairs how people are gloating that this man has been murdered, or assassinated as it were.
The issue is, karma, the people shouting the loudest hatred on the right have suddenly gone "hang on, that isn't allowed!" when one of theirs is offed instead of some black, gay or immigrant. Or even the threads to blow up Greta, whom I don't particularly agree with. The problem with the right generaly is, they can dish it out but as soon as someone fights back in some way, they cower. Bullies, the lot of them, and Trump is the uber TACO bully.

[Barkworm]

Jesus, don't go around killing people because they are morons. He was obviously a terrible person but this:

It only discredits your own movement and creates a martyr.

[CyberCubed]

I honestly have no idea who this guy even is, this shooting is the first time I ever heard of him. Goes to show you if you don't heavily involve yourself in politics you have no idea who these people are.

[Walkabout]

The issue is, karma, the people shouting the loudest hatred on the right have suddenly gone "hang on, that isn't allowed!" when one of theirs is offed instead of some black, gay or immigrant. Or even the threads to blow up Greta, whom I don't particularly agree with. The problem with the right generaly is, they can dish it out but as soon as someone fights back in some way, they cower. Bullies, the lot of them, and Trump is the uber TACO bully.

Oh, I see.
I'm Australian. Outside of the internet none of this stuff appears in my day to day life.
It might very well be different for you being an American.
When you're cheering the death of another human being because they are of a different political persuasion to you well... you may not be as good a person as you think.
It's abhorrent, no matter how you slice it.

[TheLabRat]

”Killing people for the sake of belief is inferior to killing people for money. This is because money has a value common to all, but the value of belief is only available to the person concerned.”

-Yang Wen-li, The Legend of the Galactic Heroes

[Mayhem]

Oh, I see.
It might very well be different for you being an American.
I’m not American ;)

[Barkworm]

When you're cheering the death of another human being because they are of a different political persuasion to you well... you may not be as good a person as you think.
It's abhorrent, no matter how you slice it.
While this is true in general, I'd like to nitpick on the term 'political persuasion'. Certain ideas go beyond a mere political opinion when they are hurtful ideology and some of Kirk's greatest hits are nothing but racist rubbish.

[Autbot_Benz]

Guess Ben Shapiro should watch is back now. He is another scummy maga podcast bro like kirk was

[ToTheNines]

I was a bit surprised that most of the major social places where you can upload video to were certainly not appearing to be rushing to take down what happened from the multiple sources posting ?

As for Kirk himself, see attached as to why a significant number of people are not mourning his passing. Live by spouting hate, die by someone evidently objecting. Obviously I went to check (having been in bed) if the suspect had been identified, only to find the second person they arrested has been released too. So we still don’t know their motives or who they are.

Hasn’t stoped all the far right shills spewing vile and hatred towards the left, saying they are evil and wanting war, like they presume the shooter is Democrat. This is Utah, probability is more he is white, Mormon and Republican.

And THAT’S the exact evidence about just who Kirk was, according to someone I know who met and debated him. On camera, menable. Off camera, totally different person.


https://i.imgur.com/te5K8si.jpeg

Damn. I used to feel kind of bad when IMJ would go off on you, but now I see why.

[Mayhem]

So you're saying it's not preemptive persecution and rhetoric that the right is already blaming the Left when we have no idea who did it or what their motives were? Right, understood.

Everything i posted, Kirk said. I will also add, not in there, he stated if his wife or daughter got raped and made pregnant, he'd make sure they couldn't get abortions. And that the only role for women was to stay home, be wives and babymakers.

These aren't views that were necessarily debated or aired during discussions, which is why anyone who only saw those wouldn't get the full picture.

Just to re-iterate the bottom part of the image... I don't condone his shooting, but I can perfectly see why many are not mourning his loss. Just like how the right said **** all about the Minnesota reps being shot.

[ToTheNines]

So you're saying it's not preemptive persecution and rhetoric that the right is already blaming the Left when we have no idea who did it or what their motives were? Right, understood.

No one knows anything, the suspect is at large. Most of the stuff I’m seeing is conspiracy theory speculation.

People can say whatever they want, but it’s lot like anyone is retaliating. So I don’t see why it matters.


Everything i posted, Kirk said. I will also add, not in there, he stated if his wife or daughter got raped and made pregnant, he'd make sure they couldn't get abortions. And that the only role for women was to stay home, be wives and babymakers.

I’m staunchly pro-choice. But sh*tty opinions are not justification for a public execution.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm pretty staunch pro-choice myself WITH the caveat that an abortion isn't just some trivial thing. It's a big deal. It should be treated as such.

With Kirk, I'm a little impressed the conspiracy theory mill hasn't gone into full swing yet, whether on my circle of social media friends or media. Like, "MOSSAD did this to take attention off Israel attacking Iran!" or "A republican probably did this to make him a martyr!" Though I guess a crazy in the other thread already did the latter, basically.

This might be the guy:
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-valley-university

https://i.ibb.co/JwVJx3Tm/31bb1cac1fd3feba13548a4bad245acd.webp

[ToTheNines]

Like, "MOSSAD did this to take attention off Israel attacking Iran!" or "A republican probably did this to make him a martyr!" Though I guess a crazy in the other thread already did the latter, basically.

That was also Mayhem lol

[Mayhem]

No, what I said was given this is Utah, the chances of the shooter being someone white, Mormon and/or Republican was far greater than it being a Democrat. Didn't say it was. We have no idea yet.

I’m staunchly pro-choice. But sh*tty opinions are not justification for a public execution.
And I'll repeat what I noted earlier. I don't condone the shooting. Someone did though. Conspiracy alert, yes I have seen the posts surrounding Kirk that Israel would take him out for going against them. But they aren't the only suspects.

[KaraiLover09]

Guess Ben Shapiro should watch is back now. He is another scummy maga podcast bro like kirk was

He might. They've been wishing death on him for a while, and I can already hear them cheering if it does go down.

You might be joking, but you're not wrong.

[ToTheNines]

No, what I said was given this is Utah, the chances of the shooter being someone white, Mormon and/or Republican was far greater than it being a Democrat. Didn't say it was. We have no idea yet.


lol… yes if you were just going to pluck a random person out of the population of Utah, statistically that would be your most likely type of person.

But that’s not what is going on. You’re narrowing it down to “who publicly executed a popular rightwing pundit at a campus event?”

EDIT: I’m just saying it would be very weird and embarrassing if say Stephen Colbert got shot in Atlanta and I was going around saying “I bet it was a BLACK GUY who owned a gun illegally!”

[Andrew NDB]

Press conference delayed due to "rapid developments" in the investigation:

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-valley-university

Might be they're about to close the noose on the shooter.

[Mayhem]

Put eloquently, and exactly what I’m wary of happening in the US now…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOeOm74kaqs/?igsh=MTR4ajg5ZXlxNnVjcQ==

But that’s not what is going on. You’re narrowing it down to “who publicly executed a popular rightwing pundit at a campus event?”
History, and the evidence of the last X shootings of this kind against people in power or influence have all been committed by people who are right wing and white.

[ToTheNines]

Press conference delayed due to "rapid developments" in the investigation:

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-valley-university

Might be they're about to close the noose on the shooter.

I will be highly skeptical of any suspect they trot out at this point.

Put eloquently, and exactly what I’m wary of happening in the US now…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOeOm74kaqs/?igsh=MTR4ajg5ZXlxNnVjcQ==


History, and the evidence of the last X shootings of this kind against people in power or influence have all been committed by people who are right wing and white.

Alright, whatever. Boring.

[Mayhem]

Facts bore you? No wonder the right likes to make up conspiracy theories then.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The likes of Laura Loomer are at it again, declaring that all leftist organisations should be banned in wake of Charlie Kirk's death.

Charlie Kirk getting murdered and silenced was disgusting. And it should not be used to justify a political crackdown.

[ToTheNines]

Facts bore you? No wonder the right likes to make up conspiracy theories then.

If anything, I identify as left wing. Never voted republican for President in my life. I just don’t suffer from TDS.

[Andrew NDB]

So apparently the bullets in the rifle (which was a bolt action hunting rifle) had a bunch of Antifa and transgender stuff written all over them.

[ToTheNines]

They expect people to believe that?

[Mayhem]

They relied on that legendary German efficiency with a Mauser… and no, I don’t believe that tale either. The reports this side of the pond have noted the bullets and rifle had markings on, but no info about what they were. He is wearing a T-shirt with a US flag and eagle on. People still gonna say he’s left wing for sure?

Another IG clip but another one I can totally get and agree with.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOdvSHOktq0/?igsh=MXNqNzA3dTBqeWZrbA==

[ToTheNines]

Watch the shooter sprint across the roof and then jump off and haul ass like ****in Jason Bourne or something: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/charlie-kirk-political-assassination/507-56e77620-78c1-4b35-93d1-ac3ad2ec3384

That’s a professional.

[Barkworm]

It certainly looks like he knows what he's doing.

[Walkabout]

I’m not American ;)


Sorry, the way you were ranting about TRUMP led me to think you were in the US of A.

[ToTheNines]

Sorry, the way you were ranting about TRUMP led me to think you were in the US of A.

Rent free.

[ZariusTwo]

They've caught him. Tyler Robinson, in his 20s, comes from a republican family. White.

Bullets did have carvings, but it was pretty kindergarten, "catch fascist" and "if you read this, you're gay"

[Autbot_Benz]

They've caught him. Tyler Robinson, in his 20s, comes from a republican family. White.

Bullets did have carvings, but it was pretty kindergarten, "catch fascist" and "if you read this, you're gay"

But but Vegita-San said it would be a leftard :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

But but Vegita-San said it would be a leftard :roll:

Apparently he did lean left.

[Andrew NDB]

But but Vegita-San said it would be a leftard :roll:

That he did this + "he came from a Republican family" almost assuredly means he became a leftard. Leftist schools + resentment, anger at the parents, Charlie Kirk out there changing young minds...

On one of the bullets it was also written: “Hey fascist! Catch!”

[ToTheNines]

Wow https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1966507542546116960/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1966507542546116960&currentTweetUser=krassenstein

Edit: https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1966507542546116960

[Andrew NDB]

Wow https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1966507542546116960/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1966507542546116960&currentTweetUser=krassenstein

It says the page doesn't exist?

[ToTheNines]

It says the page doesn't exist?

Edited: https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1966507542546116960

[ToTheNines]

Trump does not ****ing care lmao:

https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1966527816008155249

https://x.com/CattardSlim/status/1966423343768445283

[Galactus]

I don't see how the killer was left leaning. Sure the natural assumption when a political figure is attacked that it's someone from the other side but then both of Trump's assassination attempts were done by supporters.

Given the circumstances of the assassination ie: this being someone skilled with a rifle it statistically made it more likely to be a right winger from the jump. Factor in his family background of being staunch Republicans, his prior support for Trump even allegedly donating to him it certainly seems like a right winger. Sure his politics could have changed and done 180 very quickly but it's just as likely he thought Kirk had gone soft or became so obsessed with him and hurt Kirk didn't notice him.

[Daytona]

I was actually watching one of his videos this morning while getting ready. His college campus Q&As are always popping up in my Youtube and mileage may vary but some are pretty hard-hitting at times. I feel like there's been a good number of these where he may have actually changed someone's mind or at least made them genuinely go back and reexamine their values.

Of course, I'd roll my eyes and tune out whenever he'd shifts things to religion and God (and he never needed to do that) but he seldom wasn't making incredibly logical arguments beyond that.

This is me with most political commentators I tend to agree with. I’m just nodding along - “yes, yes, exactly, yes *record scratch* - what do you meant m this is all part of gods plan and through Jesus the left will see the error of their ways?”

And that’s not a religious dig, bc I grew up catholic and see some value in religion but I’m not on that level so it jolts me.

Anyway, everyone who celebrated this is sick but I’m glad it’s being further exposed just how far the left have fallen.

I don't see how the killer was left leaning. Sure the natural assumption when a political figure is attacked that it's someone from the other side but then both of Trump's assassination attempts were done by supporters.

Given the circumstances of the assassination ie: this being someone skilled with a rifle it statistically made it more likely to be a right winger from the jump. Factor in his family background of being staunch Republicans, his prior support for Trump even allegedly donating to him it certainly seems like a right winger. Sure his politics could have changed and done 180 very quickly but it's just as likely he thought Kirk had gone soft or became so obsessed with him and hurt Kirk didn't notice him.

Imo this would be a delusional assessment.

Kirk was instrumental in Trump’s victory and obviously right-wing MAGA affiliated. I don’t care
who you find a small donation to or what hat his parents wear - I don’t care if this kid said Trump is his best friend in the world - actions speak louder than words and he assassinated someone on the right.

This goes for Crooks and the other guy who tried to kill Trump as well - nothing anyone can find tops the action of trying to assassinate someone, so when you look for their political affiliation, it’s easy to see where it lies. Everything else is grasping at straws.

[ToTheNines]

Shooter’s ideology is absolutely moot and won’t amount to anything. It’s been revealed that his parents were conservative, so everyone is going to blame them regardless.

The video I saw of him lead me to believe he is definitely on the spectrum. Been seeing a lot of calls for the death penalty. Very grim.

[Mayhem]

So apparently the reason the FBI thought Tyler had trans affiliation was... because the bullets left had TRN stamped on the bottom. The abbreviation for Turan, a popular Turkish bullet manufacturer. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the state of your investigation services today! *facepalm*

[ToTheNines]

So apparently the reason the FBI thought Tyler had trans affiliation was... because the bullets left had TRN stamped on the bottom. The abbreviation for Turan, a popular Turkish bullet manufacturer. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the state of your investigation services today! *facepalm*

Either that or the leak to Steven Crowder (yikes) was just total ******** and pushing that narrative.

[Andrew NDB]

IF that's true and that's where that derived from then that's pretty ridiculous. And next to all those longer other notes, Crowder was to believe he couldn't be bothered to write out "TRANS"? just "TRN"? That's all we get? I'd assume he was a Tron fan maybe looking forward to seeing Ares in a few weeks before anything trans.

[Daytona]

Shooter’s ideology is absolutely moot and won’t amount to anything. It’s been revealed that his parents were conservative, so everyone is going to blame them regardless.

The video I saw of him lead me to believe he is definitely on the spectrum. Been seeing a lot of calls for the death penalty. Very grim.

It’s not moot bc we are looking for trends and this ideology is one of them.

The left want it to be moot bc they’ve been inciting violence for years now.

[The Deadman]

I don't see how the killer was left leaning. Sure the natural assumption when a political figure is attacked that it's someone from the other side but then both of Trump's assassination attempts were done by supporters.

Given the circumstances of the assassination ie: this being someone skilled with a rifle it statistically made it more likely to be a right winger from the jump. Factor in his family background of being staunch Republicans, his prior support for Trump even allegedly donating to him it certainly seems like a right winger. Sure his politics could have changed and done 180 very quickly but it's just as likely he thought Kirk had gone soft or became so obsessed with him and hurt Kirk didn't notice him.

People can be radicalized, and when the MSM and people on social media are saying Charlie Kirk is a racist, called for stoning gay people (which was a made up lie) etc, thats bound to incite some kind of violence.

[Galactus]

Imo this would be a delusional assessment.

Kirk was instrumental in Trump’s victory and obviously right-wing MAGA affiliated. I don’t care
who you find a small donation to or what hat his parents wear - I don’t care if this kid said Trump is his best friend in the world - actions speak louder than words and he assassinated someone on the right.

This goes for Crooks and the other guy who tried to kill Trump as well - nothing anyone can find tops the action of trying to assassinate someone, so when you look for their political affiliation, it’s easy to see where it lies. Everything else is grasping at straws.

I don't buy into the idea Charlie Kirk was instrumental in Trump's victory. He was given millions in the run up to the 2020 election in the belief he was the "young white male whisperer" but young people including white male voters leaned very heavily towards Joe Biden in that election.

Young white males breaking for Trump's in 2024 I'd put on a few factors but if any public figures had an influence I'd say 100% it was the Joe Rogan/Theo Von podcast dumb bros. Your average young white guy who went conservative in 2024 their views echo their talking points rather than Charlie Kirk's.

The argument that the result itself reveals the motive is ridiculous. If the assassin had been an ex lover or someone he owed money to would you still say it must have been a leftist just because the victim was on the right? It's also not uncommon for people to become such obsessive fans that they lose their minds if they start to feel let down by them in some way. In this scenario the killers don't suddenly become non right wing, they just want to purge the source of their fixation. I don't think there is anything to definitively say the current politics of Kirk's killer but we have a lot of evidence he'd long been a Republican and a Trump voter.

In a way it's not even all that relevant what a killer's politics are. A mentally ill person is a mentally ill person regardless of whether they identify as red or blue...but in another way it's a very relevant to ask why a disproportionate number of right wingers are prone to violence.

[Mayhem]

The left want it to be moot bc they’ve been inciting violence for years now.
The stats show right wing violence over the last 25 years is 3-4 times more prevalent than left. And all the major political related incidents of the last ten years (including both Trump shootings) have been right. Until this one which we don’t know yet.

[Daytona]

The stats show right wing violence over the last 25 years is 3-4 times more prevalent than left. And all the major political related incidents of the last ten years (including both Trump shootings) have been right. Until this one which we don’t know yet.

There is nothing right-wing about the trump assassination attempts, bc no evidence outweighs the action of attempting to blow someone’s head off. If that’s right-wing then right wing is no longer MAGA and the current leading party. Perhaps that’s a relevant point of discussion.

It’s a very manipulative thing to try to imply these bogus statistics, I have to say. I’d like to see the source so we can take a look at their background. Secondly, how many recent school shootings have been carried out by trans or self-identified “lgbtq” folk? Quite a few and many espousing liberal talking points and right-wing hate.


Another reason this doesn’t hold up is you simply don’t see this level of glee anywhere on the right when someone on the left dies. In fact,
We’ve never seen anything like it.

And what else? Despite the outrage “the right” is currently experiencing, there are no riots in the streets or buildings being burned, or people being dragged out of their trucks to be kicked in the head.

We can see where the violence has been coming from quite clearly, my friend.

[Mayhem]

I’m referring to the political or belief leaning of the people who have carried out the political incidents. They’ve all been right wing voters or members. The two Trump attempters were both registered Republicans.

There’s been five recent school shootings attributed to trans shooters. That’s still less than 0.5% of the total school shootings carried out in the last 20 years! I mean, you’d agree surely, the problem is better looked at examining the other 99.5%? And what do we see? Vast majority are white male cisgender.

As for Tyler, I’d heard mention in the discourse about him earlier today that he was possibly a groyper, partly because of some of the memes and stuff carved on the bullets. Don’t know what that is? Here’s a decent explanation for you. But the group were actively anti Charlie Kirk, so it could be quite likely this was simply a personal grudge with no political ideology.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhFcVxEseS/?igsh=MXNsZWducW82NG9lMQ==

[Andrew NDB]

It's looking like the guy was basically raised a conservative then at some point post-COVID became a radicalized leftie when he "suddenly became a lot more political." He was telling his friends that, "Charlie Kirk has a lot of hate in his heart" and didn't like Charlie's "viewpoints."

What viewpoints of Charlie's could possibly be worth killing him over that wouldn't be because they were the opposite of leftist viewpoints?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The shooter was anti-Facist and Groypers are Pro-Facist. There is no way he was part of Nick Fuentes' Groypers especially when considering that Nick repeatedly disavows political violence.

[The Deadman]

It's looking like the guy was basically raised a conservative then at some point post-COVID became a radicalized leftie when he "suddenly became a lot more political." He was telling his friends that, "Charlie Kirk has a lot of hate in his heart" and didn't like Charlie's "viewpoints."

What viewpoints of Charlie's could possibly be worth killing him over that wouldn't be because they were the opposite of leftist viewpoints?

Kirk is apparently highly religious and didn't support gay marriage but didn't want them dead, either.

[Coola Yagami]

There is nothing right-wing about the trump assassination attempts, bc no evidence outweighs the action of attempting to blow someone’s head off. If that’s right-wing then right wing is no longer MAGA and the current leading party. Perhaps that’s a relevant point of discussion.


The right has been separate between MAGA and non-MAGA for a while now. I've seen some conservatives call Kirk a fake because apparently he's been trying to bring gays into conservative spaces and you know they just can't have that....

[ToTheNines]

That’s if the gun wasn’t planted by the FBI. Or he might be groyper and wrote all that **** to shift blame on the left.

I’m seeing both sides trying to pawn him off on the other. Gotta let the dust settle.

[Mayhem]

The shooter was anti-Facist and Groypers are Pro-Facist. There is no way he was part of Nick Fuentes' Groypers especially when considering that Nick repeatedly disavows political violence.
If you’re saying he was anti fascist off the back of the “hey fascist, catch!” inscription, it’s another quote from Helldivers 2, like the arrows command mentioned for summoning the largest bomb in the game. HD2, popular game in the groypers circle.

As said, I think it’s increasingly likely this was a personal grudge killing. Albeit apparently the groypers targeted Kirk because he toned down some of his messaging and was not longer considered right wing enough.

[ToTheNines]

The stats show right wing violence over the last 25 years is 3-4 times more prevalent than left. And all the major political related incidents of the last ten years (including both Trump shootings) have been right. Until this one which we don’t know yet.

WRONG!

Crooks was essentially a ghost. No clue on his motive.

The second one might have been an even bigger liberal dunce than you.


https://images.wsj.net/im-33682673/?width=1280&height=1280

[Galactus]

Several members of the killer's family have spoken out and confirmed he was conservative and a big Donald Trump supporter that had been radicalised recently. They have not (to my knowledge) confirmed which way. If he was a big Nick Fuentes fanboy that assassinated Kirk for not being far right enough that would certainly fit a lot of the evidence that's is in the public domain.

I think a lot of the right is reluctantly coming around. The social media narrative on the right has gone from "trans shooter CIVIL WAR NOW!" to "antifa brainwashed by 1 semester of college" to "poor mentally ill young man. His motives don't matter. Do we have to politicize everything. We should pray for this lost soul."

[sdp]

The social media mental gymnastics have not let down. Both sides are showing what a bunch of clowns they are. It's really gratifying to see how they cope to fit their own narrative

[Andrew NDB]

Several members of the killer's family have spoken out and confirmed he was conservative and a big Donald Trump supporter that had been radicalised recently. They have not (to my knowledge) confirmed which way.

Conservative through COVID (because his whole family brought him up to be)... Trump gets reelected, suddenly he's willing to trade his life to kill... Charlie Kirk? I can't fathom how it can be a question of which way he radicalized into. Maybe he was still a republican but really didn't like Kirk's tax ideas? Is that it?

[Barkworm]

Are you guys intentionally leaving out the fact that Kirk said that MLK was "awful" and that the passing of the Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"? The guy was a lunatic.

[Andrew NDB]

Are you guys intentionally leaving out the fact that Kirk said that MLK was "awful" and that the passing of the Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"? The guy was a lunatic.

Cherry-picked stuff. Just like he "doesn't believe in empathy" but they always leave out the rest of what he said there. I'm not saying I agreed with him on everything (or really anything anytime he veered into "God's plan," etc.) but what the left is most maddest about from him is all B.S..

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The death of Charlie Kirk should not be reason to silence criticism of his views or the views of the Trump Administration.

I feel like the foundations of a crackdown are already being put in place, so that any criticism of Kirk, whether it be from the Left or the Far-Right Groypers, will be interpreted as complicity in his killing.

[Mayhem]

Sometimes I do know what I’m talking about :lol:

(partly because I am in a couple of highly dedicated videogame playing friend circles)


https://i.imgur.com/b9yhzhy.jpeg

[Barkworm]

Cherry-picked stuff. Just like he "doesn't believe in empathy" but they always leave out the rest of what he said there. I'm not saying I agreed with him on everything (or really anything anytime he veered into "God's plan," etc.) but what the left is most maddest about from him is all B.S..
In other words: In your world, people can say the most racist things as long as their other opinions are overall okay with yours. But it probably just means that you are just as okay with the racist stuff. Yeah, I know you don't see race, blabla.

[Daytona]

The death of Charlie Kirk should not be reason to silence criticism of his views or the views of the Trump Administration.

I feel like the foundations of a crackdown are already being put in place, so that any criticism of Kirk, whether it be from the Left or the Far-Right Groypers, will be interpreted as complicity in his killing.

Oh no, you’re confused. See there’s a huge difference between criticism and dancing on someone’s fresh grave for having a different opinion.

No one is being told that they can’t criticize him. No one.

[Daytona]

In other words: In your world, people can say the most racist things as long as their other opinions are overall okay with yours. But it probably just means that you are just as okay with the racist stuff. Yeah, I know you don't see race, blabla.

He didn’t say anything racist. Any example of that has been cherry picked in the same fashion as the “fine people on both
Sides…………………..” hoax.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Oh no, you’re confused. See there’s a huge difference between criticism and dancing on someone’s fresh grave for having a different opinion.

I've already condemned the mocking of his death so I guess we're on the same page here. I just think alot of legitimate criticism will be shut down because said criticism will be seen as what led to his death in the first place, or 'dancing on his fresh grave' as you put it.

No one is being told that they can’t criticize him. No one.

Of course no one is gonna tell anyone directly to their face that they are not allowed to criticise Charlie Kirk, that would be too obvious. What will happen is that if someone openly criticises Charlie Kirk, they will be called things like a Radical Left Lunatic with the implicit connotation that they have blood on their hands and must be prosecuted.

[Daytona]

No I don’t see that happening at all. And it’s an odd place to put your concern imho.

It’s jumping ahead several steps. The takeaway is a man was murdered and an alarmingly large number of the left is dancing on his grave and have embraced an ideology of killing their political opponents and gloating about it. That’s what we are witnessing.

To see that and draw concern that you won’t be able to even criticize the man’s perspective in the future, just seems so beyond the pale. There’s really no evidence of that and we are seeing one side be punished simply for their political opinions and it’s not the left - it’s the guy who just got killed.

[ToTheNines]

Sometimes I do know what I’m talking about :lol:

(partly because I am in a couple of highly dedicated videogame playing friend circles)


https://i.imgur.com/b9yhzhy.jpeg

WRONG!

Go to that tweet. A lot of real journos asking him what his source is in the replies. Look at tweet history. Sensational lib partisan hack. Next!

[ToTheNines]

Many familiar faces in this meme!

https://i.imgur.com/tAr6mbO.jpeg


In other words: In your world, people can say the most racist things as long as their other opinions are overall okay with yours. But it probably just means that you are just as okay with the racist stuff. Yeah, I know you don't see race, blabla.

I see what Andrew is saying. Kirk made his living off of talking. There’s archives of him running up his mouth bill for ~40 hours a week for over a decade. People just trotted out his absolute worst takes (out of context), even if it didn’t really jive with his main messaging. Certainly shouldn’t warrant a death sentence.

Which again, he just had mainstream conservative politics. My boomer uncles and white trash coworkers all say/think the same things.

[Mayhem]

Which again, he just had mainstream conservative politics. My boomer uncles and white trash coworkers all say/think the same things.
And you don’t see that as an issue?

[Mayhem]

And to expose the nastier side of what Kirk did…


‘Journalist and college professor Stacey Patton goes viral by penning a stunningly powerful statement about how she was on Charlie Kirk’s “digital hit list” and recounting the horror that he inflicted on her.

We cannot allow this tragic assassination to whitewash Kirk’s legacy…

“I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list,” Patton wrote to her 215,000 followers on Facebook. “His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.”

“For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘bitch,’ ‘c*nt,’ ‘n****r.’ They threatened all manner of violence,” she continued.

“They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired,” Patton wrote. “The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.”

“And I am not unique,” she added.

“Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse,” Patton wrote.

“Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!” she continued.

“That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies,” she wrote.

“And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater,” Patton continued. “But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!”

“And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.”

“But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,” she continued. “Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.”

“It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant,” she concluded.

This is pure unvarnished truth from Patton. Charlie Kirk did not deserve what happened to him, but nor did his victims deserve the hell that he unleashed on them. If Americans are going to build a more peaceful future for ourselves we must condemn political violence while also condemning the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire.’

[Stu_Padasso]

May I ask that people refrain from talking until more facts come out?

The Mauser rifle, the Turkish ammunition, both possibly military surplus? A lot of post-war rifles were “bubba-tised” by a lot of distributors and owners as hunting rifles including rebarelling them for the western 30-06 round. Other wise the 98 series sells for around $15k according to their website.

I need to do more research. Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons will probably have a video out soon.

In the meantime, people should Netflix and Chill for the next couple of days to avoid saying or doing something that they might regret later.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It’s jumping ahead several steps. The takeaway is a man was murdered and an alarmingly large number of the left is dancing on his grave and have embraced an ideology of killing their political opponents and gloating about it. That’s what we are witnessing.

I guess where we disagree is of leftists embracing an ideology of killing political opponents and gloating about it. While even just one leftist doing it is too alarmingly high and there are such cases, the vast majority have rightfully condemned it.

To use the small sample size of the Drome as an example, even the more staunch leftists here such as Mayhem, Barkworm and Galactus do not condone the killing, despite their unfavourable views of Kirk and the discussion across both threads getting rather heated.

To see that and draw concern that you won’t be able to even criticize the man’s perspective in the future, just seems so beyond the pale. There’s really no evidence of that.

It's not the heartless people who mocked his death which made me concerned about his death being exploited, but rather the call to ban all leftist organisations coming from the likes of Laura Loomer, and the mass smearing of the Left for the attack (such as by Trump) despite the facts that we don't know the killer's full political beliefs and that most Leftists condemn the violence.

[ToTheNines]

And you don’t see that as an issue?

Eh, not really. American politics is a zero-sum game. It’s just a bunch of entertainers and grifters getting rich off people who treat politics like football. Doesn’t really matter who you vote for. Deep State is undefeated in elections since 1964 lol.

I don’t like Trump and I can’t imagine falling for MAGA, but on the other hand… putting myself in the shoes of a normal working class person who has some modicum of faith in the system, I look at the the American “left” and see:

- People like you online talking like “hur hur hur, Drumph went poopy in his Covfefe diapey!” Yikes.

- The billionaire/corporate class pushing racial/gender/cultural division for some reason.

- The MSM just straight up lying about stuff like Covid, race riots and the dying old man y’all cruelly ran for President instead of putting him in the home. And then… bizarrely turning on him in the middle of an election over ONE bad debate? What?

- The FBI being politicized and weaponized against Trump. (And to be fair he has now gone and put ****ing podcasters in charge on the bureau, so there you go lol)

All that considered, I don’t really blame any normal person for voting republican, even if I never would.

[Mayhem]

I think the main take generally from people of all sides over here in the run up to the US election last year was “can the GoP not find anyone better than Trump to be candidate?”

Which was a fairly sorry state of affairs. Most Republican presidents have had some degree of support and appreciation. Even Dubya. It’s uniquely notable that the vast majority are very anti Trump mostly for the person he is and what he represents.

My disdain for the current administration is purely built on that. People could have done much better and I don’t only mean voting Harris instead.

[KaraiLover09]

So it looks like the right is screenshotting the left's thoughts on Kirk, find out who they are and sent them to their employers. A lot of people (surprisingly a lot of them seem to be teachers) are losing their jobs over this.

Also with the shooter caught, it turns out that while he was raised conservative he eventually got radicalized by leftist ideologies. The left is conveniently ignoring the second half of that sentence.

Apparently there's a pic going around of the shooter wearing a Trump shirt which was photoshopped of him wearing a regular shirt. People claim he was dressed as Trump for Halloween, when he was actually dressing up as a guy riding some sort of inflatable Trump thing as a horse.

The narratives are rolling all over the place.

I am surprised that the right is now embracing cancel culture. I don't remember the left trying to get the right fired over comments made about George Floyd. Maybe talk, but not screenshots sent to employers.

[ToTheNines]

I think the main take generally from people of all sides over here in the run up to the US election last year was “can the GoP not find anyone better than Trump to be candidate?”

Which was a fairly sorry state of affairs. Most Republican presidents have had some degree of support and appreciation. Even Dubya. It’s uniquely notable that the vast majority are very anti Trump mostly for the person he is and what he represents.

My disdain for the current administration is purely built on that. People could have done much better and I don’t only mean voting Harris instead.

That makes it even more embarrassing that y’all couldn’t beat him.

[Mayhem]

Also with the shooter caught, it turns out that while he was raised conservative he eventually got radicalized by leftist ideologies. The left is conveniently ignoring the second half of that sentence.
.
You missed the update, he was likely a groyper, even more right wing than MAGA.

[Mayhem]

That makes it even more embarrassing that y’all couldn’t beat him.
You do realise I’m British right? When I say “over here” I’m talking Europe. Just sad that a con man conned his way into power again.

[ToTheNines]

Just sad that a con man conned his way into power again.

Same story since the dawn of time. Nothing new.

[Mayhem]

https://youtu.be/Kp2c5gK18xA?si=QGToRht25b1ewppz

[ToTheNines]

So I’m seeing a New York Post report saying the shooter lived with a trans lover, citing a “law enforcement” source.

Literally not seeing that anywhere else other than right wing chud grifter accounts running with it hard because they’re desperate.

Every other report I’ve seen says he still lived at home with his parents.


https://youtu.be/Kp2c5gK18xA?si=QGToRht25b1ewppz

Hilarious. Go watch some West Wing.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/zTGGZjYW/Screenshot-20250913-122758-Instagram.jpg

[Galactus]

https://i.ibb.co/zTGGZjYW/Screenshot-20250913-122758-Instagram.jpg

They have already amended the article. Turns out the source wasn't really reliable.

[neatoman]

I wasn't going to say anything about this event, but then I found out the shooter's bullet casings all had shitpost engravings like “If you read this you are gay LMAO.”. The one empty casing, so probably the one to hit him, was engraved with "notices, bulges, OwO what's this?".

In case you don't know, that last one is a meme making fun of furries and horny people:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this

So it would seem to me that shooter's motive was to make a joke. That's just really bizarre.

[Vegita-San]

if you celebrate this mans death, you are evil. plain and simple. nothing religious about it. you are sub human evil.

[ToTheNines]

They have already amended the article. Turns out the source wasn't really reliable.

Yeah, came to say this. But of course people aren’t letting it go.

A lot of shoddy reporting from the MSM on this… and sus behavior from the FBI from the very beginning.

[Andrew NDB]

So the trans partner thing is obviously true.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources

It would be pretty easy to debunk if this is just some kind of actor or whatever.

[ZariusTwo]

Just sad that a con man conned his way into power again.

Starmer?:P

[Barkworm]

I see what Andrew is saying. Kirk made his living off of talking. There’s archives of him running up his mouth bill for ~40 hours a week for over a decade. People just trotted out his absolute worst takes (out of context), even if it didn’t really jive with his main messaging. Certainly shouldn’t warrant a death sentence.

Which again, he just had mainstream conservative politics. My boomer uncles and white trash coworkers all say/think the same things.
I'm not someone to just take people's quotes without any context but even if I did, what context could you imagine that makes his takes on the Civil Rights Act not abominable?

And once again, I take offense at the misuse of the term 'conservative' politics. The kind of extreme right-wing blabber spread by the likes of Kirk would only count as 'conservative' in the US.

[ToTheNines]

I'm not someone to just take people's quotes without any context but even if I did, what context could you imagine that makes his takes on the Civil Rights Act not abominable?

And once again, I take offense at the misuse of the term 'conservative' politics. The kind of extreme right-wing blabber spread by the likes of Kirk would only count as 'conservative' in the US.

To play devil’s advocate, he might have been against it in the same way Barry Goldwater was: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/goldwater-barry-m

He had supported previous Civil Rights Bills, but took issues with certain aspects of the final 1964 version.

But I don’t know, haven’t heard the full clip of Kirk talking about it, and was never aware of him having that take before. Just started seeing it pop up every the second he got shot.

And uh… yeah. That’s our rightwing in America lol. They love spending, censorship and surveillance.

[Mayhem]

Trump right now, and a friend made a good case he has Bell’s palsy, don’t give a **** about Kirk and it’s carry on regardless,

The sad part here is, had Tyler started shooting students there not Kirk, the right wouldn’t be giving a toss about any of this.

Starmer?:P
Not really hah, it was the same as 1997, anyone but the Conservatives. Didn’t really matter who led Labour, it was obvious they’d win.


So the trans partner thing is obviously true.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources

It would be pretty easy to debunk if this is just some kind of actor or whatever.
I’ve not seen anything mentioned in any other media bar Fox on this, and that includes any of the right wing media here or sources used by anyone on socials. So sniffing for ******** currently. Tyler’s parents, family, friends and the sheriff office all said he’s been living at home for years. Unless that’s a mass coverup cos they were embarrassed about who he was with. But then as pointed out one of the case ingravings is a 4chan thing about making fun of furries/trans people. Wholly mixed signals Batman.

[Mayhem]

So, latest developments.

The person the FBI was speaking is seemingly not trans, and isn’t Tyler’s boyfriend despite assertions. He just sometimes wears animal themed onesies while streaming (which is the source of the photo that’s been disseminated) and merely rented a room to Tyler in one of his blocks. He had no knowledge of what Tyler was up to.

Which goes back to my last post about what was said by those around him, that he’s been living at home for ages. Unless he literally just moved out like two weeks previous or something.

The Discord chat also had no idea he’d done it until he allegedly confessed on there.

Tyler is not cooperating with the FBI. No information about where the rifle came from.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirk-assassins-transgender-roommate-hates-conservatives-christians-relative-says

So yeah... about like figured.

[Vegita-San]

Guess Ben Shapiro should watch is back now. He is another scummy maga podcast bro like kirk was

your comment might be on a watch list for employers to identify celebrators of this death. might be on a job hunt soon. just sayin'

[Vegita-San]

So, latest developments.

The person the FBI was speaking is seemingly not trans, and isn’t Tyler’s boyfriend despite assertions. He just sometimes wears animal themed onesies while streaming (which is the source of the photo that’s been disseminated) and merely rented a room to Tyler in one of his blocks. He had no knowledge of what Tyler was up to.
.

So, he's a Furry? LOL.... you people. seriously. that is NOT better!
keep on trying to dig yourself in deeper. As a wise rat once said, your own evil, will be your own undoing.

[KaraiLover09]

your comment might be on a watch list for employers to identify celebrators of this death. might be on a job hunt soon. just sayin'

This seemed like an inevitable thing though seeing how the left was always frothing at the mouth for the death of their enemies. Kirk just happened to be the first to show everyone just how these people think.

Even if nothing happened to Kirk, you know these people would be cheering if say, JK Rowling tripped and fell down a flight or something.

And oh god, just imagine the all out parades that will be thrown when Trump kicks it. You think they're celebrating now because of Charlie Kirk..... We already saw a lot of jokes/memes about 'what if the shooter didn't miss' or 'the shooter had one job' as is.

[Andrew NDB]

Even CNN is reporting on the trans thing now, so...

if you celebrate this mans death, you are evil. plain and simple. nothing religious about it. you are sub human evil.

I think at large we saw the first taste of this around when that Titanic submersible with all the rich people imploded and all those leftists celebrated the deaths. Then when Luigi Mangione killed that healthcare CEO and the same thing, plus all the women that wanted to then have sex with him. Then during the Trump assassination attempts. The Charlie Kirk celebrations aren't surprising at this point but that doesn't make them any less sick. The really insidious part is that I'm seeing most of these people -- the ones that even bother to elaborate at all on why Kirk is a bad guy -- are all trotting around the same cherry-picked and truncated quotes of his, taken either completely out of context or missing some pretty key context. Which are probably the same quotes stuck into memes and such that made these people riled up about him in the first place, borne of misinformation. So you really have to blame the misinformation campaigns of select leftists who have been trying to demonize Kirk for years... yet at the same time you still have to lay blame at the people buying this for not bothering to do their own due diligence. Just jump straight to publicly celebrating his death? Because the tribe told you he's bad? No, that's sick, and you deserve any misfortune you get doing so.

[Autbot_Benz]

your comment might be on a watch list for employers to identify celebrators of this death. might be on a job hunt soon. just sayin'

Ah yes not that I am looking for a job but don’t think any employer is gonna check the Technodrome forums to see what I posted about a some maga Chud podcaster bro :lol::roll:

[KaraiLover09]

I think at large we saw the first taste of this around when that Titanic submersible with all the rich people imploded and all those leftists celebrated the deaths. Then when Luigi Mangione killed that healthcare CEO and the same thing, plus all the women that wanted to then have sex with him. Then during the Trump assassination attempts.

That's a good point. I forgot about those example, but I don't remember any cases of people losing their jobs over screenshots celebrating Luigi as a hero. It just feels much more heated and intense now.

[KaraiLover09]

Ah yes not that I am looking for a job but don’t think any employer is gonna check the Technodrome forums to see what I posted about a some maga Chud podcaster bro :lol::roll:

The Technodrome Forum is the new Linkedin.

[Mayhem]

I think at large we saw the first taste of this around when that Titanic submersible with all the rich people imploded and all those leftists celebrated the deaths. Then when Luigi Mangione killed that healthcare CEO and the same thing, plus all the women that wanted to then have sex with him. Then during the Trump assassination attempts. The Charlie Kirk celebrations aren't surprising at this point but that doesn't make them any less sick. The really insidious part is that I'm seeing most of these people -- the ones that even bother to elaborate at all on why Kirk is a bad guy -- are all trotting around the same cherry-picked and truncated quotes of his, taken either completely out of context or missing some pretty key context. Which are probably the same quotes stuck into memes and such that made these people riled up about him in the first place, borne of misinformation. So you really have to blame the misinformation campaigns of select leftists who have been trying to demonize Kirk for years... yet at the same time you still have to lay blame at the people buying this for not bothering to do their own due diligence. Just jump straight to publicly celebrating his death? Because the tribe told you he's bad? No, that's sick, and you deserve any misfortune you get doing so.
And you’re trying to justify why he wasn’t a bad person. If you weren’t a bad person, there wouldn’t BE the words available for people to “selectively” quote from as you say in the first place!

It’s quite evident Kirk had a mask for mainstream Republican consumption and an entirely different one elsewhere,

[KaraiLover09]

And you’re trying to justify why he wasn’t a bad person. If you weren’t a bad person, there wouldn’t BE the words available for people to “selectively” quote from as you say in the first place!

It’s quite evident Kirk had a mask for mainstream Republican consumption and an entirely different one elsewhere,

Didn't he once say if something were to happen to his daughter (you know what I mean), it would be her own fault and she'd be forced to carry the baby to term?

Didn't he also say he'd feel uncomfortable if a black person was a piloting a plane?

[Mayhem]

He was pro life and yes he advocated against abortion even for rape.

The comment about black pilots was he hoped they were really qualified as he’d assume they were a DEI hire. I know a commercial airline pilot. You have to be on your A game and be highly qualified regardless of colour or sex to be allowed in a cockpit, the safety org don’t take matters lightly. So it was a dog whistle racist comment.

So, he's a Furry? LOL.... you people. seriously. that is NOT better!
My brothers fiancée has an animal onesie, does that make her a furry? Not really :p

[ToTheNines]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirk-assassins-transgender-roommate-hates-conservatives-christians-relative-says

So yeah... about like figured.

Anonymous source? Probably an FBI agent lol




I think at large we saw the first taste of this around when that Titanic submersible with all the rich people imploded and all those leftists celebrated the deaths. Then when Luigi Mangione killed that healthcare CEO and the same thing, plus all the women that wanted to then have sex with him. Then during the Trump assassination attempts. The Charlie Kirk celebrations aren't surprising at this point but that doesn't make them any less sick. The really insidious part is that I'm seeing most of these people -- the ones that even bother to elaborate at all on why Kirk is a bad guy -- are all trotting around the same cherry-picked and truncated quotes of his, taken either completely out of context or missing some pretty key context. Which are probably the same quotes stuck into memes and such that made these people riled up about him in the first place, borne of misinformation. So you really have to blame the misinformation campaigns of select leftists who have been trying to demonize Kirk for years... yet at the same time you still have to lay blame at the people buying this for not bothering to do their own due diligence. Just jump straight to publicly celebrating his death? Because the tribe told you he's bad? No, that's sick, and you deserve any misfortune you get doing so.

No way, your memory’s way too short. People always say ****ed up stuff when people die, it’s nothing new. Ari Shaffir had to go into hiding after her mocked Kobe. That scumbag Bill Maher wore a costume making fun of Steve Irwin right after he died. I remember kids in 7th grade laughing about Terry Schaivo. I could go on all day.

Oh and chicks get horny for disgusting serial killers. A cute kid who popped one guy isn’t that strange (and I really don’t think he was the gunman, but that’s a different story).

As for people trotting out Kirk’s “greatest hits” as some kind of justification for celebrating his death, as I said, I do agree there is missing context. But I’ll take it a step further and say the boy made his living by running his yap. You talk for 40+ hours a week, you’re bound to say some ****** things over the course of a decade. Law of averages lol.

I’m not holding him up as some national treasure, but it is sad to see people have no empathy for a young father being publicly executed. Yikes.

[ToTheNines]

I would also like to add:

If you’re dabbing on Kirk/the right for this, you’re kind of a crappy person. He’s a public figure and not someone you know, so whatever. But cheering on a violent public execution is not good for your soul.

If you’re tattling on people for popping off online and getting them fired… you’re a bitch, a snitch and an absolute loser. Get a life.

[Nickokapo]

I wasn't going to say anything about this event, but then I found out the shooter's bullet casings all had shitpost engravings like “If you read this you are gay LMAO.”. The one empty casing, so probably the one to hit him, was engraved with "notices, bulges, OwO what's this?".

In case you don't know, that last one is a meme making fun of furries and horny people:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this

So it would seem to me that shooter's motive was to make a joke. That's just really bizarre.
Is this for serious?
It is not something from The Onion, it is a thing that happened...
Edit: ...it is.

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/857506-estados-unidos-detuvieron-al-presunto-atacante-de-charlie-ki

WoW.

[Andrew NDB]

If you’re tattling on people for popping off online and getting them fired… you’re a bitch, a snitch and an absolute loser. Get a life.

I have to admit I am with this current wave of snitching. Celebrating deaths with gleeful grins and cackles in this kind of case should be stamped down in the most forceful manner possible. The alternative is... significantly more "mean." This cannot be allowed to prosper.

This isn't "once I slapped a chick on the butt and now I lost my TV job when a video went viral from 1995" this is... life and death. Of a guy who did nothing wrong. Didn't do any "hate speech," only speech that certain people hated.

[ToTheNines]

You’re drinking the kook aid brother. Very short sighted too. What the next step of that? Someone loses their career for libbing out too hard on twitter, then what?

Realistically, they’ll find another job and land on their feet. But now they’re even more bitter towards the other side. Nothing good will come out of this. Just more databases and free speech restrictions.

[Nickokapo]

So, he's a Furry? LOL.... you people. seriously. that is NOT better!
keep on trying to dig yourself in deeper. As a wise rat once said, your own evil, will be your own undoing.

It is hated because of a rampancy of pedophiles and zoosadists (like GlitchedPuppet).
Now, a murderer too.

It is bad...

Not to trivialize something that is more serious than an internet thing, but i believe he was "memelord" rather than "furry" (But maybe both...i don't know...)

[Mayhem]

Turns out those in charge weren't particularly enamoured with Kirk either...

"...three years prior to the shooting, Kirk had attacked Spencer Cox on social media when discussing transgender involvement in sports and called for Cox's expulsion from the Republican Party."

The fact he has also called for both sides to stop attacking each other and find some common ground has another meaning now.

If you’re tattling on people for popping off online and getting them fired… you’re a bitch, a snitch and an absolute loser. Get a life.
There's a couple of people right now on X taking great delight in compiling a huge "database" of people who supposedly have diminished Kirk in their posts about his death in attempt for others to then get them fired from their jobs for such comments.

It just sounds like the Stasi to me here...

[ToTheNines]

It’s straight out of the “woke-ism” playbook. Total bitch move. McCarthyism.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I would also like to add:

If you’re dabbing on Kirk/the right for this, you’re kind of a crappy person. He’s a public figure and not someone you know, so whatever. But cheering on a violent public execution is not good for your soul.

If you’re tattling on people for popping off online and getting them fired… you’re a bitch, a snitch and an absolute loser. Get a life.

100% this. Folks need to get their own lives in order before they worry about what others say and do.

[Vegita-San]

I have to admit I am with this current wave of snitching. Celebrating deaths with gleeful grins and cackles in this kind of case should be stamped down in the most forceful manner possible. The alternative is... significantly more "mean." This cannot be allowed to prosper.

This isn't "once I slapped a chick on the butt and now I lost my TV job when a video went viral from 1995" this is... life and death. Of a guy who did nothing wrong. Didn't do any "hate speech," only speech that certain people hated.

We tried to play nice, and now they are killing us.

It's time to identify them, and get them the **** out of places where they can indoctrinate more people.

the list is neccesary.

[Barkworm]

It just sounds like the Stasi to me here...

Eh, I don't know. The reasoning of the right-wingers is f*cked up as usual (mainly because it's so hypocritical ) but overall, people still feel way too anonymous on the internet so there needs to be some sort of consequence when people pour their verbal diarrhea into the world and celebrating people's deaths is nothing short of hate speech.

Of course, it's slightly ironic when the 'freedom of speech' crowd calls for this kind of measures.

[ToTheNines]

but overall, people still feel way too anonymous on the internet so there needs to be some sort of consequence when people pour their verbal diarrhea into the world and celebrating people's deaths is nothing short of hate speech.

Strongly disagree. I wish something could be done about all the bots, but as far as humans go, who cares if people want to be idiots on line?

Let sites/platforms police their own content.


Of course, it's slightly ironic when the 'freedom of speech' crowd calls for this kind of measures.

I agree, very ironic. Also hilarious as well as pathetic.

[KaraiLover09]

What surprises me is that the companies are actually firing them over mocking someone on the right. Usually these companies are very left-leaning and turn a blind eye on that. Like that one time a pilot got fired because some karen complained that he had a 'Let's Go Brandon' sticker on his luggage. I'm sure if it say 'Die, Trump, Die', he'd still have a job.

Like previously stated, I don't recall hearing about people getting fired over mocking George Floyd or any other figure the left embraces. I'm sure people at the very least for the side-eye at work for siding with Rittenhouse openly.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah that’s a good point. Kinda strange.

I saw a journalist (not someone I’m familiar with) say they were fired from a progressive publication for his comments.

[KaraiLover09]

Yeah that’s a good point. Kinda strange.

I saw a journalist (not someone I’m familiar with) say they were fired from a progressive publication for his comments.

With how the left tries to enforce that their way is the only correct way to think, I'm surprised these guys aren't getting a raise or a promotion instead of getting fired over mocking Charlie Kirk.

[Vegita-San]

Strongly disagree. I wish something could be done about all the bots, but as far as humans go, who cares if people want to be idiots on line?

Let sites/platforms police their own content.



I agree, very ironic. Also hilarious as well as pathetic.

freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

[ToTheNines]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G05XMZVbsAAWBhZ?format=jpg&name=medium

freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

AOC and Gavin Newsom will have you on their list. Enjoy!

[Andrew NDB]

"I'm a republican" <---- that right there, just saying that in recent years, gets you fired in short order from a ton of white collar jobs. They can't say THAT'S the reason they fired you, of course, but from that moment on they will find a reason to terminate you when one presents itself in ways they wouldn't with others.

So I don't want to hear about it. If not publicly celebrating someone's death that didn't do anything wrong is just too much to ask or a bridge too far in some way, idk. Probably seek help.

[Mayhem]

celebrating people's deaths is nothing short of hate speech.
Issue is, many are interpretating a complete ambivelence or not caring about Kirk's passing from people in a similar vein to those who have actually posted "I'm glad he'd dead" type comments. Like, you're going on the list because you're not mourning our podcast deity! You must not care! Just like how no one on the right gave a toss when the two Minnesota reps were killed.

freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.
True, but here the companies aren't exactly doing it off their own bat and monitoring their employees, snitches get stitches etc.

[Daytona]

It’s not really cancel culture if you’re a medical professional who claims fellow Americans should die for their political opinion.

I saw some woman who works with suicide prevention was fired. If Kirk had called, would she tell him to off himself - how’s that work?

And teachers celebrating murder?

Even on the less imperative end - those office deport workers refused to do their job, so should they keep it?

Many of these people don’t seem qualified for their jobs.

[IndigoErth]

freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

Guess Kirk found that out.

He also became one of the statistics among the amount of gun deaths per year that he thought were okay for the sake of the second amendment.



Been too busy to bother to care much about this or that an asshat like him is gone. No, the man did not deserve to die for his BS and that's terrible for the kids who are too young to even understand, but he also does not deserve the pedestal that some are trying to put him on.

He's one of those who ran his mouth, liked the attention of it, and espoused views that, were he to have the kind of America he'd prefer it was, would take away a lot of people's freedom and rights, so I'm hardly surprised that he'd eventually draw the ire of nuts who think gunning down someone is okay.

It's funny that people are trying to white knight him, claiming that people are taking things he'd said out of context. Sorry, but racist and misogynistic garbage, among other things, that came out of his mouth are pretty direct topics and near impossible to be out of context.

Pretty ironic that people like Kirk and many of those who are fans of people like him were completely besides themselves that they were asked to wear a simple mask during a pandemic, like a temporary mask thing is oppressing them... but actually expect that people of the demographics on the receiving end of Kirk's bigotry should think his BS was just fine and are now the bad guys if not pretending he's some "great loss" to America.

[Vegita-San]

Guess Kirk found that out.

He also became one of the statistics among the amount of gun deaths per year that he thought were okay for the sake of the second amendment.



Been too busy to bother to care much about this or that an asshat like him is gone. No, the man did not deserve to die for his BS and that's terrible for the kids who are too young to even understand, but he also does not deserve the pedestal that some are trying to put him on.

He's one of those who ran his mouth, liked the attention of it, and espoused views that, were he to have the kind of America he'd prefer it was, would take away a lot of people's freedom and rights, so I'm hardly surprised that he'd eventually draw the ire of nuts who think gunning down someone is okay.

It's funny that people are trying to white knight him, claiming that people are taking things he'd said out of context. Sorry, but racist and misogynistic garbage, among other things, that came out of his mouth are pretty direct topics and near impossible to be out of context.

Pretty ironic that people like Kirk and many of those who are fans of people like him were completely besides themselves that they were asked to wear a simple mask during a pandemic, like a temporary mask thing is oppressing them... but actually expect that people of the demographics on the receiving end of Kirk's bigotry should think his BS was just fine and are now the bad guys if not pretending he's some "great loss" to America.

he spoke truth and common sense. don't like it? start your own planet.

[Mayhem]

Indeed the “**** your feelings” group has suddenly got all precious about your feelings.

[KaraiLover09]

he spoke truth and common sense. don't like it? start your own planet.

So it's common sense for a woman that is raped to be blamed for it and be forced to carry to term? Even when Kirk said that about his own daughter?

[ToTheNines]

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/15/bill-ackman-israel-intervention-charlie-kirk/

[Andrew NDB]

So it's common sense for a woman that is raped to be blamed for it and be forced to carry to term? Even when Kirk said that about his own daughter?

See, I don't agree with that sentiment at all (like at ALL), and I think if he had actually been confronted with that scenario in real life he might have ended up feeling different. But the thing is it was coming from a good place. He valued life above all else. Even the life of a rapist's baby. You can disagree with that sentiment, I know I do, but I don't see how you can vilify him over it.

[ToTheNines]

See, I don't agree with that sentiment at all (like at ALL), and I think if he had actually been confronted with that scenario in real life he might have ended up feeling different. But the thing is it was coming from a good place. He valued life above all else. Even the life of a rapist's baby. You can disagree with that sentiment, I know I do, but I don't see how you can vilify him over it.

Right. This was just something stupid he said at a corny debate, not something be actually did.

The chick tried to hit him with a “gotcha” (a pretty good one) and he refused to take the L, so he doubled down lol

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/15/bill-ackman-israel-intervention-charlie-kirk/

That's Anti-Semitic! Shut it down!

[Vegita-San]

Indeed the “**** your feelings” group has suddenly got all precious about your feelings.

someone threatens your life and your way of living, you get emotional no matter what. you don't? or complain about it happening? inhuman robot.

[Nickokapo]

The climate is very tense and violent.
Recently, somebody tried to hit President Milei on the temple with a slab of stone aswell...

It is a bit surreal to read something like "OwO" on the high profile news tho.

[Mayhem]

someone threatens your life and your way of living, you get emotional no matter what. you don't? or complain about it happening? inhuman robot.
Well the “**** your feelings” group back in Trump’s first term were threatening lives and the way of living for many, and didn’t care if they got emotional as a result. And now they care? Screw em.

[Mayhem]

Also it’s only free speech if we say is it and we support what you say


https://i.imgur.com/9za7iAH.jpeg

[KaraiLover09]

It's a little funny seeing some old guy use 'FAFO'. He probably asked his grandson if he was using it right.

Technically the girl should bring up the law he mentioned, but I know it would fall on deaf ears. I know 'free speech but not freedom of consequences' but he literally signed a law protecting free speech.

Sure, she is still open to consequences like losing friends or maybe a classmate taking a swing at her, but calling the cops on her? For exercising free speech? And she's a minority too? Maybe wait til the heat dies down some and try to sue?

[ToTheNines]

She was probably detained and released immediately. But this stupid old cuckservative liked the optics of the photo and wanted to do an epic meme.

Clown world.

[Nickokapo]

It's a little funny seeing some old guy use 'FAFO'. He probably asked his grandson if he was using it right.


Agreed!It's sorta funny...

[Vegita-San]

she was free to say it. but doesn't mean it's free of consequence.

[ToTheNines]

she was free to say it. but doesn't mean it's free of consequence.

First Amendment is supposed to protect your political speech from the government.

[Vegita-San]

First Amendment is supposed to protect your political speech from the government.

been doing more thinking of this.

reversing my decision on this.

I just get so tired of these people getting away with what they get away with, and we do nothing. What's the solution to deal with these hateful people?

Send them all to muslim country and let them deal with it?

[Vegita-San]

I also guess we have to make sure our emotions don't get the better of us.

When I first read that pam bondi statement, it sounded correct considering all of the firings that have been going on. I thought it meant a bit more of that.

but seeing the replies, guess I was wrong on that account. hence, reversing the decision.

---

double edit.

after reading more replies, I see where I mucked up. Her statement should have said VIOLENCE speech. as pointed out elsewhere, Hate Speech is where the UK is at right now.

God, I feel stupid.

[Andrew NDB]

First Amendment is supposed to protect your political speech from the government.

It's not the government. If you say "I'm really glad Charlie Kirk is dead!" that's fine, but that doesn't mean your boss should be forced to continue paying you.

[ToTheNines]

It's not the government. If you say "I'm really glad Charlie Kirk is dead!" that's fine, but that doesn't mean your boss should be forced to continue paying you.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. The girl in the picture is being carried off in handcuffs. That is the government.

I think you’re a bitch if you go tattle on someone for their internet antics. But what the employers do with that information is entirely up to them. That’s their business and they have to protect the bottom line as they see fit.

EXCEPT… that charlatan Elon used to pretend he would foot the bill of any legal battle anyone got in for being fired over their tweets, in the name of free speech. Not surprised to see he was lying for clout.

[sdp]

Cancel culture is ok when I agree with it.

[Vegita-San]

EXCEPT… that charlatan Elon used to pretend he would foot the bill of any legal battle anyone got in for being fired over their tweets, in the name of free speech. Not surprised to see he was lying for clout.

well, he DID back Gina Corano. but, knowing Elon, he was probably trying to make her baby mamma number 15.

[Vegita-San]

Cancel culture is ok when I agree with it.

people like to call it 'consequence culture'.

you can't call for the death of someone and not expect consequences.

[sdp]

I find it very interesting how the left is using right wing excuses to justify their stuff and the right is using left wing excuses to justify their stuff. I love the lack of awareness and their "but it's different when I do it because reasons" arguments.

[ToTheNines]

I find it very interesting how the left is using right wing excuses to justify their stuff and the right is using left wing excuses to justify their stuff. I love the lack of awareness and their "but it's different when I do it because reasons" arguments.

Yeah it’s pretty annoying to watch when you’re outside of the dichotomy. I should just chose a side and go all in, seems like more fun lol

[Vegita-San]

right now, the left is getting a taste of their own medicine.

they where free to say for so long anything they wanted with zero consequence. that era is ending.

Now, the right thinks this is the way to deal with that. if it crosses into VIOLENT rhetoric, like Destiny calling for violence on conservatives, it's time to arrest them.

it's a weird, dangerous slope to be on.
if gone too far, it could oddly give credence to the lefts claim that the trump admin is hitler.

[ToTheNines]

Oh no! A gay pedophile twitch streamer is calling for violence against republicans! I’m shaking in my boots!

[Vegita-San]

Oh no! A gay pedophile twitch streamer is calling for violence against republicans! I’m shaking in my boots!

a gay dude dating a trans woman trying to 'convert' to a dude, who is also a furry, killed charlie kirk.

he himself may not do it, but he may INSPIRE someone to do it. and that is the danger.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no! A gay pedophile twitch streamer is calling for violence against republicans!

Who's this, Destiny?

[ToTheNines]

Yeah he’s an idiot. I heard Hasan is getting kicked off Twitch, wouldn’t be surprised if Destiny did too.

Edit: looks like he already got banned off Twitch. He streams on Kick, which I always associated with pedos. Guess he’s embracing it lol

[Andrew NDB]

F*** that shrill, whining cuck. Everything about that guy is nasty and annoying.

[ToTheNines]

I’m monitoring the situation: https://www.abc10.com/video/news/utah-county-attorney-holds-press-conference-on-tyler-robinson-arrest-live/103-70584b7f-d664-47c7-b1e9-e9478ee3ffbb

F*** that shrill, whining cuck. Everything about that guy is nasty and annoying.

Fully agreed. Especially his support of Israel.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a little muddy on the trans boyfriend. We know there was texts from the killer to him about retrieving the gun from where he stashed it and that the killer told him he was going to take out Charlie... but we're not treating the trans boyfriend like an accomplice? Why?

[Vegita-San]

I'm a little muddy on the trans boyfriend. We know there was texts from the killer to him about retrieving the gun from where he stashed it and that the killer told him he was going to take out Charlie... but we're not treating the trans boyfriend like an accomplice? Why?

it's a good question. does knowing, but not having the courage to tell make one an accomplice? I would think so.

what's the charge for that?

[ToTheNines]

I'm a little muddy on the trans boyfriend. We know there was texts from the killer to him about retrieving the gun from where he stashed it and that the killer told him he was going to take out Charlie... but we're not treating the trans boyfriend like an accomplice? Why?

The press conference I’m listening to right now, they’re saying he didn’t confess to femboy gf until after he did it. The note was left behind before he left to UVU. The partner is “fully cooperating” with authorities.

[ToTheNines]

Incredibly strange: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

[Mayhem]

That actually reads as a very good breakdown of the situation, which effectively says (if you can’t be bothered to go through it) Tyler has aspects both indicative and abhorrent to both extreme sides of the political divide. Or in other words, a confused young man who loved guns but was also fine with non cis people, who wanted to have fun and play videogames.

If he isn’t a groyper, and give the last I heard he wasn’t cooperating, I wonder if we will ever discover the motive.

[ToTheNines]

OsWRClaBYI4?si=hXl8P7exfDynLP9H

[Nickokapo]

a trans woman trying to 'convert' to a dude, who is also a furry
*gets PurpleKecleon / GlitchedPuppet flashbacks, thousand yard stare initiates*
h-hide yo kids, h-hide yo pets... ;w; *shakes intensely in a fetal position*

[Vegita-San]

Incredibly strange: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

those leaked messages read like a bad tv script or something. or maybe it was just the delivery I heard.


I'm guessing the father didn't get the reward money for turning his son in, if they took a while to convince him to turn himself in first.

[member_removed]

those leaked messages read like a bad tv script or something. or maybe it was just the delivery I heard.


I'm guessing the father didn't get the reward money for turning his son in, if they took a while to convince him to turn himself in first.

Did the McDonalds employee who reported the Brian Thompson CEO shooter get their reward money either?

[Andrew NDB]

Not exactly sure the veracity of this, but it was shared with me.

https://i.ibb.co/3yVkPRGJ/Messenger-creation-4-F84-D81-D-4377-41-A2-9-DE7-0-E85-E68-D1254.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jvDkKKQc/Messenger-creation-8156-D4-A3-FDD3-4-C36-9-CAC-18-BE03163-FFB.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/RkP2pnqZ/Messenger-creation-60903-F1-F-45-E0-453-C-BE67-C92-DDC990-AB5.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/n8M4pCx8/Messenger-creation-DA78610-E-B27-C-40-CF-B644-73-EA5-B58-F9-F0.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B55wZnpT/Messenger-creation-FEF557-C2-467-D-404-E-8-C62-FA95-A592-E0-A4.jpg

[Nickokapo]

"if i see "notices bulge uwu" on fox news i think i'll have a stroke"
Sadly for you, but gladly for everybody else, that's not how strokes work.
Strap in, you'll be in a world of stroking and UwUs once the FBI and NSA get to you OwO
POMF =3 what are we gonna do on the prison's bunk bed?

[Vegita-San]

if there is any justice, he's not going to a prison bunk. it's the chair, and mrs.kirk gets to pull the lever looking him in the eye, smiling.


do I want to know what uwu is?

[Nickokapo]

here's hoping...
Hope getting attention from Kitsune News was worth it you piece of...work.
Now the rest of your life is ruined. But you took somebody's life because what they said distressed you. He has no longer a life left to be ruined, even. Isn't that the ultimate act of totalitarianism?
"UwU" "OwO" "'w'" i believe are romaji interpretations of popular japanese 2ch emojis such as: (´• ? •`)
https://i.imgur.com/w87DIv9.png
https://i.imgur.com/NQy7D9O.png
https://i.imgur.com/FUW7QRh.png
https://i.imgur.com/jcwGbqS.png
I might be completely wrong.
In furry and meme culture, no, you don't want to know ehehe

[Andrew NDB]

if there is any justice, he's not going to a prison bunk. it's the chair

Evidently Utah still has the firing squad. And that's what they're pushing for.

[Stu_Padasso]

Not exactly sure the veracity of this, but it was shared with me.

https://i.ibb.co/3yVkPRGJ/Messenger-creation-4-F84-D81-D-4377-41-A2-9-DE7-0-E85-E68-D1254.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jvDkKKQc/Messenger-creation-8156-D4-A3-FDD3-4-C36-9-CAC-18-BE03163-FFB.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/RkP2pnqZ/Messenger-creation-60903-F1-F-45-E0-453-C-BE67-C92-DDC990-AB5.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/n8M4pCx8/Messenger-creation-DA78610-E-B27-C-40-CF-B644-73-EA5-B58-F9-F0.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B55wZnpT/Messenger-creation-FEF557-C2-467-D-404-E-8-C62-FA95-A592-E0-A4.jpg

I’m skeptical that this is real until proven otherwise. But if true, it might confirm my suspicion that this was a “Fudd” rifle that someone used for deer hunting. Although, I doubt the optic would be $2k. That’s Trigicon range. More like $200.

If Robinson did pull the trigger, he not only involved his parents, but his grandfather and roommate as well. No concern for other people for the blowback of his actions.

[Andrew NDB]

The murder weapon isn't in question at all. That's what it was. A Mauser hunting rifle. Which is like the one type of firearm that even tepid countries allow in terms of "scary guns" because hunting big game.

And "if" Robinson did pull the trigger?

[Stu_Padasso]

The murder weapon isn't in question at all. That's what it was. A Mauser hunting rifle. Which is like the one type of firearm that even tepid countries allow in terms of "scary guns" because hunting big game.

And "if" Robinson did pull the trigger?

I personally think he’s guilty as hell. But I also stand by the principal of presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[Mayhem]

I take it Fox aren’t jeopardising anything by releasing all thar, because here you’d be skirting some thin legal lines regarding “evidence”.

[ToTheNines]

Not exactly sure the veracity of this, but it was shared with me.

https://i.ibb.co/3yVkPRGJ/Messenger-creation-4-F84-D81-D-4377-41-A2-9-DE7-0-E85-E68-D1254.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jvDkKKQc/Messenger-creation-8156-D4-A3-FDD3-4-C36-9-CAC-18-BE03163-FFB.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/RkP2pnqZ/Messenger-creation-60903-F1-F-45-E0-453-C-BE67-C92-DDC990-AB5.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/n8M4pCx8/Messenger-creation-DA78610-E-B27-C-40-CF-B644-73-EA5-B58-F9-F0.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B55wZnpT/Messenger-creation-FEF557-C2-467-D-404-E-8-C62-FA95-A592-E0-A4.jpg

This seems so fake. The wording doesn’t seem like 2 kids, the roommate doesn’t seem to care at all and is just there to prompt for more exposition, and the whole conversation is just a paint by numbers recounting of the news cycle.

Where are the time stamps? Because the conversation starts when he’s still in Orem waiting to grab his gun, then immediately he’s home and talking about turning himself in, which wouldn’t be until like 24 hours later.

wtf does he mean he doesn’t know if the gun has a serial number or not? He planned everything perfectly, except maybe security cameras, and he doesn’t know if it’s serialized or not? He pulled it off, tried to leave no evidence but immediately confessed to his boo in writing?

Many words just tripped my bull **** meter. “Old man”, “vehicle” “mostly a big meme”… oWo vs. uwu is wrong.
The whole thing stinks. Apparently Candace Owens has spoken to Lance Twiggs’ family, need to watch that asap.

EDIT: Also the part about his dad being super MAGA ever since Trump won… that was 9 ****ing years ago and this kid was maybe 13. He wouldn’t have had much of a concept of politics before that. How is that at all relevant?

EDIT 2: Candace asking some good questions…

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[ToTheNines]

I need to check out of this, I’ve been on a schizo twitter binge for a week now lol. Hopefully this is my last post in this thread.

The libs are too far gone if they have no sympathy for a citizen being publicly slain. I’ll make one more attempt for the rightwingers to not join the Woke Right.

I have to admit I am with this current wave of snitching. Celebrating deaths with gleeful grins and cackles in this kind of case should be stamped down in the most forceful manner possible. The alternative is... significantly more "mean." This cannot be allowed to prosper.

This isn't "once I slapped a chick on the butt and now I lost my TV job when a video went viral from 1995" this is... life and death. Of a guy who did nothing wrong. Didn't do any "hate speech," only speech that certain people hated.

IIRC, you voted for Hillary in 2016. What moved you right? Did some MAGA chud ruin your livelihood, publicly shame you, and gloat about it while you were at your lowest?

Or did you see the other side making a little more sense and having better Facts and Logic?

So what makes you think anybody that falls victim to this tattle-spree is going to wake up? They’re just going to double down and make the left/right rift in this country even worse.

[KaraiLover09]

Whole thing stinks. Apparently Candace Owens has spoken to Lance Twiggs’ family, need to watch that asap.



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Wow, I've heard the name but never seen the face. Miss Owens can definitely get it, regardless her views.

[KaraiLover09]

I need to check out of this, I’ve been on a schizo twitter binge for a week now lol. Hopefully this is my last post in this thread.

The libs are too far gone if they have no sympathy for a citizen being publicly slain. I’ll make one more attempt for the rightwingers to not join the Woke Right.





It's not just Kirk, they are pretty much foaming at the mouth over 'who's next' as if they were Goldberg.

I have seen several Youtube videos about several lefties being so turned off by this that they are 'leaving the left'. The constant walking on eggshells has to be exhausting. I've seen videos of people having friends on both aisle and commenting on how they have to walk on eggshells when talking to their woke friends but can talk normally around the right-wing friends.

[ToTheNines]

Wow, I've heard the name but never seen the face. Miss Owens can definitely get it, regardless her views.

Yeah she’s cute.

It's not just Kirk, they are pretty much foaming at the mouth over 'who's next' as if they were Goldberg.

I have seen several Youtube videos about several lefties being so turned off by this that they are 'leaving the left'. The constant walking on eggshells has to be exhausting. I've seen videos of people having friends on both aisle and commenting on how they have to walk on eggshells when talking to their woke friends but can talk normally around the right-wing friends.

Taking geezers out of the equation, yes that’s a fair generalization. MAGA people will make fun of you for liberal opinions. Libs will pretend they never knew you and to no-contact.

[KaraiLover09]

Yeah she’s cute.



Taking geezers out of the equation, yes that’s a fair generalization. MAGA people will make fun of you for liberal opinions. Libs will pretend they never knew you and to no-contact.

It's what I've always heard. I remember posts back then about lefties proudly proclaiming they disowned all their right-wing family and friends. Especially after finding out they voted for Trump.

[Andrew NDB]

IIRC, you voted for Hillary in 2016. What moved you right?

I was already on my way when I saw the ideological shift when Trump won in in 2016 in the faces of a lot of democrats. The total devastation, the soul-crushing... this wasn't just an election to them like it was to me, it was like the monorail to their screwed up Eden or something had suddenly blown up in their face. It was really jarring for me to see, and a little bit sobering. They were never supposed to lose another election, you see, and this was just this unthinkable thing to them. And plus this is when you started seeing Trump-like villains showing up in entertainment everywhere, and comics and movies becoming like their revenge on the right. That's when my blood started to boil.

But really it was watching the left use pretty much every lever of power at their disposal over my daughter in real time during COVID and really destroying her for a good couple of years when she'd been such a happy kid up until then.

Or did you see the other side making a little more sense and having better Facts and Logic?

So what makes you think anybody that falls victim to this tattle-spree is going to wake up? They’re just going to double down and make the left/right rift in this country even worse.

It's really too late for the ones openly celebrating death like this. I don't think there's really any reasoning with that, so screw'em.

[Nickokapo]

I take it Fox aren’t jeopardising anything by releasing all thar, because here you’d be skirting some thin legal lines regarding “evidence”.

I'm quoting these chatlogs as "alleged" for the time being for this reason, too.
I'd like to know if it's faked or legit...there's a problem with releasing these if there's an ongoing investigation or being submitted for evidence by a prosecutor? n.n;?? (I watch some legal mindset and legal eagle but otherwise don't know much about the law. The last legal related thing i watched was the johnny depp trial, and now following the Johnny Somali and Raja Jackson situations.)

If you were a rando on kiwifarms and leaked them, it'd be different, but Fox News could get in legal trouble, right?If they happen to be the real deal, i mean...
oWo vs. uwu is wrong.
Instantly noticed this too!!Not sure if it indicates they are fake BS, or him misremembering owo instead of uwu because he is mostly a memelord so does not particularly use these terms frequently or unironically.

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, I've heard the name but never seen the face. Miss Owens can definitely get it, regardless her views.

Yeah she’s cute.

I've listened to quite a bit of Candace and yes, she looks delicious. Usually she makes pretty good points, however... her and damn conspiracy theories. She tends to believe, like... ALL of them. All of the time. Every single one. So either all of these conspiracy theories are correct or she's a little bit nuts, lol.

I gotta say, though, I was watching one episode where she was talking about the moon landing... some of the items she kept hammering on about are easily debunkable and have been, but others... really make you wonder.

[ToTheNines]

I was already on my way when I saw the ideological shift when Trump won in in 2016 in the faces of a lot of democrats. The total devastation, the soul-crushing... this wasn't just an election to them like it was to me, it was like the monorail to their screwed up Eden or something had suddenly blown up in their face. It was really jarring for me to see, and a little bit sobering. They were never supposed to lose another election, you see, and this was just this unthinkable thing to them. And plus this is when you started seeing Trump-like villains showing up in entertainment everywhere, and comics and movies becoming like their revenge on the right. That's when my blood started to boil.

But really it was watching the left use pretty much every lever of power at their disposal over my daughter in real time during COVID and really destroying her for a good couple of years when she'd been such a happy kid up until then.



It's really too late for the ones openly celebrating death like this. I don't think there's really any reasoning with that, so screw'em.

Fair enough.

Peace and love to everyone. Hug your loved ones.

I've listened to quite a bit of Candace and yes, she looks delicious. Usually she makes pretty good points, however... her and damn conspiracy theories. She tends to believe, like... ALL of them. All of the time. Every single one. So either all of these conspiracy theories are correct or she's a little bit nuts, lol.

I know I’m a little crazy, but once you come around on say… the JFK assassination, a lot of recurring themes and people start popping and a lot of other stuff starts making sense in a new light.

I do recognize my bias, and I try to believe the official narrative every time something big happens, but there just always seems to be lying going on.

I gotta say, though, I was watching one episode where she was talking about the moon landing... some of the items she kept hammering on about are easily debunkable and have been, but others... really make you wonder.

Yeah I’ve seen some compelling stuff about it being faked, I just can’t bring myself to care. Like, so what if NASA lied about that? Nobody got hurt.

[ranger_scout]

Serves Jimmy Kimmel right for what he said about Charlie Kirk's assassin.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/abc-suspends-jimmy-kimmel-live-charlie-kirk-1236374150/

[Vegita-San]

Cable Companies need to take ABC off the air, next.

After that one idiot 'reporter' tried to romanticize the killer.

[ToTheNines]

Serves Jimmy Kimmel right for what he said about Charlie Kirk's assassin.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/abc-suspends-jimmy-kimmel-live-charlie-kirk-1236374150/

What’d he say?

Cable Companies need to take ABC off the air, next.

After that one idiot 'reporter' tried to romanticize the killer.

Just saw that. Pretty gross. But also funny because I don’t think there’s any way that conversation was real.

[KaraiLover09]

People want to boycott Domino's since they just fired a guy over saying positive things about Kirk. I think this is the first firing we had over being Pro-Kirk instead of Pro-Kirk Death.

[Andrew NDB]

People want to boycott Domino's since they just fired a guy over saying positive things about Kirk. I think this is the first firing we had over being Pro-Kirk instead of Pro-Kirk Death.

There's been a couple of high-profile ones. But they got rehired.

[Autbot_Benz]

What’d he say?



Just saw that. Pretty gross. But also funny because I don’t think there’s any way that conversation was real.

Jimmy said the killer was apart of the maga movement.

[sdp]

Cancel culture is back baby, same censorship different political views.

[CyberCubed]

Canceling people just for saying something is basically the same thing some of you are rooting against. No matter what side or who it is about.

[Andrew NDB]

Canceling people just for saying something is basically the same thing some of you are rooting against. No matter what side or who it is about.

It's not the same as cancel culture. Your boss should not be forced to keep paying you if you're publicly celebrating innocent deaths. I'm sure Kimmel will have no problem finding a new like-minded boss.

[sdp]

It's not the same as cancel culture. Your boss should not be forced to keep paying you if you're publicly celebrating innocent deaths. I'm sure Kimmel will have no problem finding a new like-minded boss.

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[KaraiLover09]

It's not the same as cancel culture. Your boss should not be forced to keep paying you if you're publicly celebrating innocent deaths. I'm sure Kimmel will have no problem finding a new like-minded boss.

"Innocent".

[ToTheNines]

Totally emotionless. What’s going on in this guys head:

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Jimmy said the killer was apart of the maga movement.

Which is demonstrably false, and a weird thing to say at this point.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Would people be okay with if someone got fired for celebrating George Floyd's death instead of Charlie Kirk?

Just a thought experiment.

[Andrew NDB]

Totally emotionless. What’s going on in this guys head:

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Watched part of this. Huh. I guess the earlier stories about, "He lawyered up right away and isn't talking!" isn't true, if the court is now offering a public defender (which means he doesn't have one and also means his family isn't offering up any defense for him). Apparently he was talking about killing himself before his dad talked him into turning himself over to the authorities who are... eh... seeking the death penalty anyway? He's going to be pretty numb at this point.

Would people be okay with if someone got fired for celebrating George Floyd's death instead of Charlie Kirk?

Probably not in the overall court of public opinion. But he WAS a repeated criminal. Armed robbery and a prolific drug abuser. Who died with what was considered a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system who was acting like a crazy person in a parking lot. Not exactly an "innocent" by any logical barometer. But celebrating? No, not OK. But hardly deserving of the same scorn. Bad taste, for sure. By the same token if someone "celebrated" the death of some random junkie overdosing in an alley on a Tuesday night. That's not really a thing. Nobody really does that.

[Mayhem]

Just so I'm clear:

A US TV host says we should kill every homeless person? “No big deal.”

[just to note following said comments, there were two shootings in Minneapolis that night at homeless shelters]

Another TV host says the right must "go to war" with the left and wipe them out? “Pfft. Nothing to see here.”

Yet another TV host says the US government is cracking down on critics? Well, the US government cracks down on him for the criticism by getting him fired.

Free speech, everyone. ?

What specifically got commented?

Kimmel said Monday: “We hit some new lows over the weekend with the Maga gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.”

Kimmel said Tuesday: “Many in Maga-land are working very hard to capitalize on the murder of Charlie Kirk.” He accused the US vice-president, JD Vance, of blaming the left for Kirk’s death without evidence.

“While our side of the aisle certainly has its crazies, it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in American politics today are proud members of the far left,” Vance said while hosting an episode of Kirk’s podcast from the White House.

“And by ‘statistical fact’, he means ‘complete ********’,” Kimmel said to applause, citing a study that found far-right groups were the greatest source of domestic terrorism and extremist violence in the US. The Department of Justice has removed the study from its website.

(my emphasis bold here because they have)

“Here’s a question JD Vance might be able to answer: who wanted to hang the guy who was vice president before you? Was that the liberal left? Or the toothless army who stormed the Capitol on January 6?” he said.

[Coola Yagami]

Would people be okay with if someone got fired for celebrating George Floyd's death instead of Charlie Kirk?

Just a thought experiment.

It's a weird example since George Floyd was pretty much a nobody until the left decided to martyr him as their golden boy.

I'm kinda late to the party since I don't have enough information to really give a valid opinion (but god damn is his name everywhere now), but Charlie Kirk has been around for a while pissing people off with his controversial hot takes. He already had a whole lot of folks wishing ill on him. I remember being annoyed when he said he 'didn't feel safe' if he was on the plane with a black pilot, I just haven't put the name to face til recently. A 'oh, it was THAT guy' moment.

Edit- I also agree with the people saying that it's weird how people are getting fired over what would be considered 'left' views since the world usually seems tilted left these days. I'd assume they'd get a raise. Like, the same employers that are firing people over celebrating his death would probably not have fired Gina Carano for her statements.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember being annoyed when he said he 'didn't feel safe' if he was on the plane with a black pilot, I just haven't put the name to face til recently. A 'oh, it was THAT guy' moment.

Let me guess, you saw some cherry picked quote completely out of context on that? What Kirk actually said there was super pro-black. What he was saying was in light of particular airlines loudly broadcasting their new DEI standards at the time that were pushing black people in particular into pilot roles over, say, white people who were in most cases much more qualified in order to meet self-imposed quotas of races. And his point was that this was unfair to black people, which it absolutely is. He WANTED to be able to look at a black pilot and feel safe, but you can't do that with these DEI practices in place. To paraphrase, if there was NO DEI program in place, if he'd seen a black pilot then he WOULD feel safe because he would know they were there because of merit, but the DEI stuff makes that impossible but it forces you to wonder if they're unqualified and there just because of the color of their skin.

An anti-racist sentiment, if anything.

[Coola Yagami]

Let me guess, you saw some cherry picked quote completely out of context on that? What Kirk actually said there was super pro-black. What he was saying was in light of particular airlines loudly broadcasting their new DEI standards at the time that were pushing black people in particular into pilot roles over, say, white people who were in most cases much more qualified in order to meet self-imposed quotas of races. And his point was that this was unfair to black people, which it absolutely is. He WANTED to be able to look at a black pilot and feel safe, but you can't do that with these DEI practices in place. To paraphrase, if there was NO DEI program in place, if he'd seen a black pilot then he WOULD feel safe because he would know they were there because of merit, but the DEI stuff makes that impossible but it forces you to wonder if they're unqualified and there just because of the color of their skin.

An anti-racist sentiment, if anything.

I mean, let's be honest. Racism and discrimination exists. There probably wouldn't be any black pilots (or other chosen professions depending on the field) if it weren't for DEI regardless of merit. It helps assure a qualified black person doesn't just get passed over for a less qualified white person because white.

I mean c'mon. You live in the real world. You know if they had their way and DEI didn't force their hand there would be racist bigots that would refuse to hire any non-white person in their company.

[Mayhem]

A commercial airline pilot used to be our neighbour (he moved about 18 months ago) so I was able to understand some of the nuances of his job. And yes, he was often away for days at a time going to and from various destinations in Europe and the Middle East.

The Kirk quote regardless is incredibly racist. To be able to even fly the planes in question in the first place, you need to have accrued a lot of flying hours, passed multiple exams and assessments, gone through a mental and psychiatric evaluation, and more. A black person would NOT get to a serious airline pilot FAA approved et al without going through the same routines as anyone else. To think a "DEI hire black pilot" is less qualified than a white one is utterly ludicrous. But there's the bias rub, thinking black people are automatically less intelligent, skilled or capable.

As Coola notes, the point of DEI to make sure highly qualified minorities were not excluded in favour of less qualified whites.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, let's be honest. Racism and discrimination exists.

This is a myth, in any large quantity.

There probably wouldn't be any black pilots (or other chosen professions depending on the field) if it weren't for DEI regardless of merit.

Based on what, your "feeling"?

I mean c'mon. You live in the real world. You know if they had their way and DEI didn't force their hand there would be racist bigots that would refuse to hire any non-white person in their company.

Probably in some small number of companies, somewhere. But if you're a black guy -- or anybody -- with a super impressive resume and in an in-demand field, you're going to get the job 9 times out of 10.

The Kirk quote regardless is incredibly racist.

Wrong. There is nothing he said that implies that one race is superior to another race. If anything, DEI itself implies that other races are INFERIOR to one race, or at the very least less capable.

As Coola notes, the point of DEI to make sure highly qualified minorities were not excluded in favour of less qualified whites.

There is nothing in DEI about "highly qualified minorities." There are scores of examples of how DEI ushered in only moderately qualified minorities into roles for which HIGHLY qualified white people were passed over as a result. To meet their DEI quota. Which is pretty horrifying for roles like pilots of commercial airplanes -- you want the best qualified people for that, PERIOD.

[Coola Yagami]

This is a myth, in any large quantity.





Are you seriously calling racism and bigotry a myth?

Why isn't Trump hiring you? You're obviously his number one guy. Might even get a free 'Hispanics for Trump' shirt by mail.




Probably in some small number of companies, somewhere. But if you're a black guy -- or anybody -- with a super impressive resume and in an in-demand field, you're going to get the job 9 times out of 10.





Maybe in your fantasy land where everyone is sugar and spice and everything nice.

[Mayhem]

There is nothing in DEI about "highly qualified minorities." There are scores of examples of how DEI ushered in only moderately qualified minorities into roles for which HIGHLY qualified white people were passed over as a result. To meet their DEI quota. Which is pretty horrifying for roles like pilots of commercial airplanes -- you want the best qualified people for that, PERIOD.
Anyone flying a commercial airliner IS part of the best qualified people regardless of skin colour or sex.

[Andrew NDB]

Are you seriously calling racism and bigotry a myth?

In any significant number across the country, yes. Where can you point to it?

Anyone flying a commercial airliner IS part of the best qualified people

That doesn't even make any sense. Once you're a commercial airliner pilot, there's no such thing as one person being better at it or better qualified than another? There's not one heart surgeon that's better than another?

[Daytona]

What a fallout from Kirk’s death. Despite the tragedy of the event he left us with the greatest possible gift. What a great week it’s been.

[Vegita-San]

What a fallout from Kirk’s death. Despite the tragedy of the event he left us with the greatest possible gift. What a great week it’s been.

just sad that it took this to do it. people needed backbone before.

Now the right AND the left are cancelling disney. this is good.

[Daytona]

just sad that it took this to do it. people needed backbone before.

Now the right AND the left are cancelling disney. this is good.

Boycotting Disney is something we can all unite on, fortunately.

[Andrew NDB]

Hey, if this speeds up Kathleen Kennedy getting fired in some way, somehow, I'm all for it!

[Mayhem]

That doesn't even make any sense. Once you're a commercial airliner pilot, there's no such thing as one person being better at it or better qualified than another? There's not one heart surgeon that's better than another?
No, once you reach that point, the variance is minimal to make no discernible difference. The only variable really is experience in various conditions.

[Andrew NDB]

No, once you reach that point, the variance is minimal to make no discernible difference. The only variable really is experience in various conditions.

Unbelievable. Are you actually for real here? This is another shtick, right?

[Coola Yagami]

Unbelievable. Are you actually for real here? This is another shtick, right?

I'm pretty sure positions like commercial airline pilots and heart/brain surgeons should have as minimal difference as possible. With something where lives are at stake you don't want them to say 'oh hey, bring in the good one'. Like.. say what? They're all supposed to be 'the good one'.

[Mayhem]

Unbelievable. Are you actually for real here? This is another shtick, right?
No, that’s basically the emphasis of what our ex neighbour said.

[Coola Yagami]

No, that’s basically the emphasis of what our ex neighbour said.

I'd also much rather take the word of a neighbor that actually worked in the field than some guy on a Ninja Turtles forum saying 'nuh-uh!!'

[Mayhem]

A lot of flying is automated now. The pilot is there for takeoff, landing, unexpected changes, and dealing with abnormal situations. The only real difference long years of experience help with is the last factor, and being able to fly different makes and model of plane.

[Barkworm]

Unbelievable. Are you actually for real here? This is another shtick, right?
I don't agree with Mayhem here but with the amount of ignorant garbage you've posted on the last two pages of this thread alone, you might want to cut him some slack.

[Mayhem]

Gonna take credit but I’m sure someone did it before I started saying it elsewhere, but the canonising and group tributes to Saint Charlie are now called “circle Kirks”

[Vegita-San]

No, once you reach that point, the variance is minimal to make no discernible difference. The only variable really is experience in various conditions.

I usually agree with andrew, but I would think that there absolutely could be a better heart surgeon than another out there. one person could know more than the other.

[Coola Yagami]

I usually agree with andrew, but I would think that there absolutely could be a better heart surgeon than another out there. one person could know more than the other.

The difference is still/should still be minimal. When you're going to get heart surgery you don't want to hope you get 'the good one'. They should all be good ones.

[Vegita-San]

The difference is still/should still be minimal. When you're going to get heart surgery you don't want to hope you get 'the good one'. They should all be good ones.

true.

but in the age of DEI hires, you know this isn't the case. some hospitals WILL have 'good ones'. others will have ones that have no business being there.

[Mayhem]

Which again is the misconception. When you’re a heart surgeon you are already good by default, you can’t be one otherwise.

[Coola Yagami]

Which again is the misconception. When you’re a heart surgeon you are already good by default, you can’t be one otherwise.

If there is any true to 'oh they'll just hire like.. anyone as long as their black and gay and trans' or whatever is probably for office jobs or working at companies like Marvel or DC and other places that in the end, really don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Jobs where lives are at stake and call for extensive testing and certifications like commercial airline pilots and heart/brain surgeons are a different story.

[Vegita-San]

Jobs where lives are at stake and call for extensive testing and certifications like commercial airline pilots and heart/brain surgeons are a different story.

you'd like to think that. but, not always the case these days.

[Coola Yagami]

you'd like to think that. but, not always the case these days.

I'm sure in the mind of a conservative, all sorts of things are true.

[Vegita-San]

I'm sure in the mind of a conservative, all sorts of things are true.




I hope that if you need medical help, you do NOT get a blue haired DEI hire.

[Mayhem]

300k supposedly at Kirk's memorial service. Also 300k worth of trash left given the videos I've seen, people really did not give a crap and left everything they brought if they'd been waiting all day :roll: you'd think the Cards had been playing at home that weekend and not in San Fran.

Trump dancing too, he's so grieiving still.

I saw someone comment that selling merchandise for the funeral was incredibly tacky and lame, but I'm wholly not surprised. After all Kirk "only" had $12M worth so the GoFundMe et al is so needed to keep Mrs Kirk in the lifestyle that she's accustomed to. But then I realised that she's going through the five stages of grift, and forgave her.

[ToTheNines]

Don’t take this the wrong way Mayhem, because I think this place needs a soy heel for conversation’s sake. But coming on here and repeating “jokes” you see on Bluesky and Threads isn’t the flex you think it is.

[Mayhem]

I’ve seen neither on Bsky and I don’t use Threads *shrug* the only thing I saw was the comments about the funeral merchandise.

For the record, I AM a longtime Cards fan for my sins, so well aware where the memorial was in relation to the stadium.

[Vegita-San]

My one criticism of mrs.kirk. she sure did wear alot of expensive looking jewelry to this thing. wasn't her one hand had some kind of giant ring on each finger? Not a good look, IMHO.

I'm personally not a fan of religion. I think Religion was created by man..and mostly for wealth and power. therefore, IF there is a god, he probably hates Religion too.

And that goes for all religion. Christianity, Judaism, Muslims, etc. I don't want this country under strict ned flanders christian rule. Although, I GUESS it's better than Muslim rule, but I don't want to be taken back to the 1500s, where looking at someone with the wrong 'look' is considered burned at the stake material.

[Mayhem]

If it was, everyone would have to wear a beard, no eating pork, no tattoos, and no man made fibres to name but four things.

[ToTheNines]

That sounds awesome. I wish we had that here.

[Mayhem]

Although in the “shit you couldn’t make up” department, Grindr reported (backed up by stats from DownDetector) that access to the app overloaded around Glendale, Arizona over the weekend.

Hmmm, I wonder what was going on there? :lol:

Apparently the last time Grindr reported such an outage, it was in Wisconsin during July 2024. The time of the Republican National Congress. Seems there’s an awful lot of beards in the party…

[KaraiLover09]

Although in the “shit you couldn’t make up” department, Grindr reported (backed up by stats from DownDetector) that access to the app overloaded around Glendale, Arizona over the weekend.

Hmmm, I wonder what was going on there? :lol:

Apparently the last time Grindr reported such an outage, it was in Wisconsin during July 2024. The time of the Republican National Congress. Seems there’s an awful lot of beards in the party…

Everybody knows there are more right-wing gays than left-wing gays. They're just closeted.

The more a right-winger speaks out against homosexuality, the higher the chance they got a guy on the side.

[member_removed]

Although in the “shit you couldn’t make up” department, Grindr reported (backed up by stats from DownDetector) that access to the app overloaded around Glendale, Arizona over the weekend.

Hmmm, I wonder what was going on there? :lol:

Apparently the last time Grindr reported such an outage, it was in Wisconsin during July 2024. The time of the Republican National Congress. Seems there’s an awful lot of beards in the party…

Has this been confirmed? I can't see a legitimate source.