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TrickOrTreater 12-08-2014 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1389446)
I like where they're at, but at least give the being there more purpose. You went there for reasons, you didn't just decide to up and move to the country and live a simpler life.

Their purpose was to escape with their lives, regroup after a figurative ass-beating, and let Leo heal after his literal ass-beating.

3 months+ being gone. Realistic amount of time for Leo to have recovered. Any less and people would be complaining about that.

The + being the couple weeks all the weird mutant sh*t is happening. Which is fine because it's all cause and effect and not just "oh the Turtles are here now so it just so happened that weird sh*t was going to go down anyway."

Plus the EPF is there, and has probably quarantined New York.

Hell, we might even get a few Karai/Splinter bonding episodes soon.

Also, it's only like 6 episodes in in a show that has 26 episodes a season. Once the Turtles make it back to New York and regroup with Splinter, Karai, Leatherhead, and any other mutant who hates the Kraang, they probably defeat the Kraang, defeat Shredder, retro mutate everybody that's been mutated, and then the season is over. They HAVE to time it right and pace it out.

After two seasons of doing nothing but New York and mutants and Kraang and Shredder, the folks behind the show are also probably a little burned out on it and the Northampton farmhouse is giving them not only a brand new setting, but also a chance to stretch their horror fanboy wings and cut loose a bit. While still giving us fun Turtles stuff.

SO I say stay in Northampton and creep it up for as long as they feel the story needs to, hit up that spirit quest, get in touch with Splinter mentally, and then head back to New York for a huge Turtle/Mutant on Shredder/Kraang all out brawl.

As a life-long horror and Ninja Turtle fan, I'm enjoying the ride.

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87 (Post 1389558)
Come on,two to three episodes and then move back to finish the fight. Real time 7-10 days.

...so you want an 8 episode season. With Leo healing up from the savage beating he got from Tigerclaw, Rahzar, Xever, Foot Ninjas, AND Shredder in a week and a half.

...

Well, that certainly is a thing.

BubblyShell22 12-08-2014 07:16 AM

Definitely agree with Trick here. They can't go back to New York yet without an effective plan, and as I've stated before, I feel that while Leo may be physically healed now, he still might have mental scars from the beating he took so he's not ready to face that yet. I can't say I blame him for that, so just let them stay in Northampton as long as they need to and the rest will come.

Luckyday 12-08-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater (Post 1389705)
Their purpose was to escape with their lives, regroup after a figurative ass-beating, and let Leo heal after his literal ass-beating.

3 months+ being gone. Realistic amount of time for Leo to have recovered. Any less and people would be complaining about that.

The + being the couple weeks all the weird mutant sh*t is happening. Which is fine because it's all cause and effect and not just "oh the Turtles are here now so it just so happened that weird sh*t was going to go down anyway."

Plus the EPF is there, and has probably quarantined New York.

Hell, we might even get a few Karai/Splinter bonding episodes soon.

Also, it's only like 6 episodes in in a show that has 26 episodes a season. Once the Turtles make it back to New York and regroup with Splinter, Karai, Leatherhead, and any other mutant who hates the Kraang, they probably defeat the Kraang, defeat Shredder, retro mutate everybody that's been mutated, and then the season is over. They HAVE to time it right and pace it out.

After two seasons of doing nothing but New York and mutants and Kraang and Shredder, the folks behind the show are also probably a little burned out on it and the Northampton farmhouse is giving them not only a brand new setting, but also a chance to stretch their horror fanboy wings and cut loose a bit. While still giving us fun Turtles stuff.

SO I say stay in Northampton and creep it up for as long as they feel the story needs to, hit up that spirit quest, get in touch with Splinter mentally, and then head back to New York for a huge Turtle/Mutant on Shredder/Kraang all out brawl.

As a life-long horror and Ninja Turtle fan, I'm enjoying the ride.



...so you want an 8 episode season. With Leo healing up from the savage beating he got from Tigerclaw, Rahzar, Xever, Foot Ninjas, AND Shredder in a week and a half.

...

Well, that certainly is a thing.

The thing about these North Hampton's episodes is that no one seem to be talking about New York or what they going to do. Maybe if there were scenes they feeling lost of what comes next or something that shows that they're trying to avoid the topic but none enough of that really happens. I assume it's all off the camera but seriously, if weren't for Leo's leg and I would have forgotten what happen last season and assume they were on vacation.

I don't think you would need to have a length of more episodes to justified how long it takes to heal. With storyboarding, you give appearance that that three months have past. Legend of Korra did with flashbacks. TMNT could have done with transition scenes or a montage could have taken care of that.

Since in every incarnation of the franchise, with the exception being OT, North Hampton was a place that they always come back more then once in a series. All they have to edit out Leo limping in "A Foot too Big", and the "Croaking" and then both of those episodes could easily been shown after the Return to New York arc is finish.

I have to wonder if there anything left in New York that's still standing. Even after they come back and save it, the place would probably have so much damage left over by the Invasion that I could see them just simply wanting to go back to North Hampton and maybe then that when we will see what was missing during the first time that they were there.

evan2000 12-08-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1389807)
All they have to edit out Leo limping in "A Foot too Big", and the "Croaking" and then both of those episodes could easily been shown after the Return to New York arc is finish.

You'll never know. Maybe the events in A Foot too Big would later become the key to further developments of Donnie/April's relationship, and the frogs might end up aiding the turtles in the Return to New York arc. There could be some cause-and-effect happening, we'll see.

IndigoErth 12-08-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater (Post 1389705)
Their purpose was to escape with their lives...

Wasn't stating there was none, I was saying that there is and that the show could use a little more focus on that.

And a lot of that being things I have thought and/or stated as well previously. I'm not really one to complain about fillers, scattered throughout I don't mind them and they're usually a fun (hey, I am the one who made the "favoite filler" thread after all lol), though at this point it would be a plus if they'd weave a little more of the underlying story into these episodes.

Leo's got his hints of healing happening so he's got his thing going, but it's sort of the only thread tying things together right now. Other little touches would be helpful. Hope things are about to get a little more back on track once it returns.

snake 12-08-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by evan2000 (Post 1389814)
You'll never know. Maybe the events in A Foot too Big would later become the key to further developments of Donnie/April's relationship, and the frogs might end up aiding the turtles in the Return to New York arc. There could be some cause-and-effect happening, we'll see.

Weren't the frogs leaving state?

BubblyShell22 12-08-2014 03:16 PM

Yeah, they were heading to Louisiana.

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! 12-08-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1389700)
I keep picturing an area that's a bit more rural some a distance from any city. Could make for some pretty landscapes for the designers to create. Don't focus it on a city... in that case the show itself may as well not bother leaving NYC again.

Something else I think would be cool is it would be a really great way to work in Usagi. If Stan Sakai's people would allow it I suppose.

ssjup81 12-08-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1389653)
I have to take your word for it but I still don't want it to be Tokyo.

I wonder how Splinter speaks in the Japanese dub now. I wonder if he uses anything like "de gozaru" in his speech pattern, like how Japanese shows depict some ninja and samurai.
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Maybe it just me but I feel that all of the old Japan cliches are often use in Tokyo with Karaoke, the school girls, and just everything else in general and that pounded into my skull way too much.
Hate to break it to you, but that's not a "Tokyo" thing. That's a Japan thing. :lol: But I do get where you're coming from.
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Plus I would rather see some other place that's smaller and base on a different location that we don't see to often unless it's an anime. With a different location there would be more emphasis on personal details of said setting instead of having this generalize assume version of Tokyo that been portray from Western movies that have english speaking protagonists like Teen Titans or Kill Bill.
Well...it is overly done, yes, but you'll more than likely find English speakers in Tokyo compared to other parts of the country because there are many foreigners in the area and there's the fact that kids are forced to start studying English from their first year of junior high school up to their last year of high school may have something to do with it too, and the kids down there will probably have more of an opportunity to use it compared to other places. The government is intent on having good English speakers in time for the 2020 Olympics. Good luck with the way they teach it here in public schools. -_-

Anyway, there are also more bilingual and international schools in Tokyo. So it would be more likely to come across someone with decent English compared to say...Sapporo (Hokkaido), for instance, or even where I live. They have so many places in Tokyo for English speakers, including doctors.

But, there are suburban places in Tokyo as well as smaller towns. It's like New York. There's more to the place than just NYC.
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They should either do with small home town that is fictionalize or do some research somewhere that has historical significance with marital arts.
Or ninja-related stuff in general. The first place that comes to mind for me is Iga down in Mie-ken. It's famous for the Iga clan or whatever. I was actually planning on visiting, but never got the chance to take such a long trip. Sometimes I wish I did live in Tokyo. Closer to some of those places compared to where I am.

For Splinter, though, I could see a character like his being from Kyoto (which is Japan's old capital) and before that, Nara was the capital. So yeah, maybe they could go that path if they ever do a Japan story. Have him come from Kyoto or Osaka or Kobe.

In the Archie Comics, we find out that Yoshi was living in Hiroshima as a child and witnessed the bomb drop and was a survivor of it (which helped put an age on him for that continuity). Interesting if they could even go that route. I also like the Japan arc for that, since the turtles weren't hanging around Tokyo, but I forgot where in Japan they were.

Luckyday 12-08-2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1390197)

In the Archie Comics, we find out that Yoshi was living in Hiroshima as a child and witnessed the bomb drop and was a survivor of it (which helped put an age on him for that continuity). Interesting if they could even go that route. I also like the Japan arc for that, since the turtles weren't hanging around Tokyo, but I forgot where in Japan they were.

I think they were on fox people island but I'm not sure. I would really like it if they end up seeing some yokai, maybe even a kappa or two. The tone of the new location if it's a old shrine should be mysterious and quiet like a ghost story instead of a horror slasher film.

But still I would want to see Yoshi's parents just to see the reactions they have when they meet their four adopted turtle grandkids for the first time and maybe to get idea of what Yoshi and Saki were like as children. I have a feeling that Yoshi was a cross between Mikey and Raph. Charming and charismatic but quick temper and cocky.

Warhorse 12-09-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1389807)
The thing about these North Hampton's episodes is that no one seem to be talking about New York or what they going to do. Maybe if there were scenes they feeling lost of what comes next or something that shows that they're trying to avoid the topic but none enough of that really happens. I assume it's all off the camera but seriously, if weren't for Leo's leg and I would have forgotten what happen last season and assume they were on vacation.

I don't think you would need to have a length of more episodes to justified how long it takes to heal. With storyboarding, you give appearance that that three months have past. Legend of Korra did with flashbacks. TMNT could have done with transition scenes or a montage could have taken care of that.

Since in every incarnation of the franchise, with the exception being OT, North Hampton was a place that they always come back more then once in a series. All they have to edit out Leo limping in "A Foot too Big", and the "Croaking" and then both of those episodes could easily been shown after the Return to New York arc is finish.

I have to wonder if there anything left in New York that's still standing. Even after they come back and save it, the place would probably have so much damage left over by the Invasion that I could see them just simply wanting to go back to North Hampton and maybe then that when we will see what was missing during the first time that they were there.

Well, maybe, just maybe, like how Pizza Face was supposed to have been a dream of Mikey's, maybe pretty much the beginning of season 3 with all the bizarre episodes are dreams Leo is having, and when the Vision Quest episodes come around, he actually wakes up and all the memories of the beat down, invasion and whatnot come flooding back to him.

Luckyday 12-09-2014 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse (Post 1390704)
Well, maybe, just maybe, like how Pizza Face was supposed to have been a dream of Mikey's, maybe pretty much the beginning of season 3 with all the bizarre episodes are dreams Leo is having, and when the Vision Quest episodes come around, he actually wakes up and all the memories of the beat down, invasion and whatnot come flooding back to him.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e7/e77cd...242249465b.jpg

ssjup81 12-09-2014 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1390211)
I think they were on fox people island but I'm not sure. I would really like it if they end up seeing some yokai, maybe even a kappa or two. The tone of the new location if it's a old shrine should be mysterious and quiet like a ghost story instead of a horror slasher film.

I'm sure the horror theme is finished given that these eps were probably supposed to have been shown earlier. The next ep, to my knowledge, I thought, was supposed to be the Vision Quest ones.

That aside, still wish I could recall where they were supposed to have been or where the island was.
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But still I would want to see Yoshi's parents just to see the reactions they have when they meet their four adopted turtle grandkids for the first time and maybe to get idea of what Yoshi and Saki were like as children. I have a feeling that Yoshi was a cross between Mikey and Raph. Charming and charismatic but quick temper and cocky.
When telling the story, he said he "lost" his clan. I was under the impression that maybe he was the lone survivor of the Hamato clan...other than Karai.
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Originally Posted by Warhorse (Post 1390704)
Well, maybe, just maybe, like how Pizza Face was supposed to have been a dream of Mikey's, maybe pretty much the beginning of season 3 with all the bizarre episodes are dreams Leo is having, and when the Vision Quest episodes come around, he actually wakes up and all the memories of the beat down, invasion and whatnot come flooding back to him.

I was wondering if Within the Woods was a dream episode when I first saw it since it was so weird. Like a bad Raph dream due to his lack of proper rest...but given some of the stuff shown, like Buried Secrets and that Demon Car ep, it kinda tosses the dream theory out the window, doesn't it?

Warhorse 12-09-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1390730)
I'm sure the horror theme is finished given that these eps were probably supposed to have been shown earlier. The next ep, to my knowledge, I thought, was supposed to be the Vision Quest ones.

That aside, still wish I could recall where they were supposed to have been or where the island was.When telling the story, he said he "lost" his clan. I was under the impression that maybe he was the lone survivor of the Hamato clan...other than Karai.I was wondering if Within the Woods was a dream episode when I first saw it since it was so weird. Like a bad Raph dream due to his lack of proper rest...but given some of the stuff shown, like Buried Secrets and that Demon Car ep, it kinda tosses the dream theory out the window, doesn't it?

Not if the dreams are some sort of premonition, or maybe he was going in and out of consciousness. Either way, since Buried Secrets, nothing has been mentioned about the spaceship under the house since then? So it could easily have been a dream of Leo's. Could explain why one episode, April is kissing Donnie nearly on the mouth, and in the next episode, he's still vying for her affection, like the last episode never took place.

Luckyday 12-09-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1390730)
I'm sure the horror theme is finished given that these eps were probably supposed to have been shown earlier. The next ep, to my knowledge, I thought, was supposed to be the Vision Quest ones.

That aside, still wish I could recall where they were supposed to have been or where the island was.When telling the story, he said he "lost" his clan. I was under the impression that maybe he was the lone survivor of the Hamato clan...other than Karai.I was wondering if Within the Woods was a dream episode when I first saw it since it was so weird. Like a bad Raph dream due to his lack of proper rest...but given some of the stuff shown, like Buried Secrets and that Demon Car ep, it kinda tosses the dream theory out the window, doesn't it?

I suppose so but seeing how Splinter avoids going to the surface, it wouldn't be surprising if he had cut contact with them because he reach the point of no return and he couldn't reach them in fear of attracting attention from the Shredder.

ssjup81 12-09-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse (Post 1390740)
Not if the dreams are some sort of premonition, or maybe he was going in and out of consciousness. Either way, since Buried Secrets, nothing has been mentioned about the spaceship under the house since then? So it could easily have been a dream of Leo's. Could explain why one episode, April is kissing Donnie nearly on the mouth, and in the next episode, he's still vying for her affection, like the last episode never took place.

Actually, the Demon Car ep mentioned the space ship again. Donnie used components from it to help build the car.

There's Cluckingsworth too who lay those mutant eggs that powered the car. I figured that they're going to use the ship to sneak back to NYC when the time comes and use Cluckingsworth to help power it.

ssjup81 12-09-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1390741)
I suppose so but seeing how Splinter avoids going to the surface, it wouldn't be surprising if he had cut contact with them because he reach the point of no return and he couldn't reach them in fear of attracting attention from the Shredder.

That could be the case. I guess he could've meant it in a figurative sense as opposed to a literal one.

Luckyday 12-09-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1390745)
That could be the case. I guess he could've meant it in a figurative sense as opposed to a literal one.

Plus would the Shredder go so far to kill the people that raise him as their own? I mean sure his entire family was slaughter by his adoptive father but have you notice that Shredder was wearing the foot symbol in a flash back when he was just Oroku Saki? I am not sure that means anything but he clearly have found out the truth, and there is no indication that he had recently slain his adoptive parents so maybe this Tang Shen love triangle is mere a frosting on his **** cake called life.
His revenge is just a outlet or excuse of a deeper troubling issue that he can't not or mentally refuse to confront himself.

This why I need to see Yoshi's parents. There is just too much character development potential to not go to Japan.

Plus the idea of the turtles having a grandma is just so freak'in adorable.http://i.imgur.com/3dMjp.gif

DarthRaphael 12-10-2014 01:50 PM

Every time I see one of these episodes at the farmhouse I wonder how long they will drag it out. Yes Leo needs to heal but he should be close to ready by now. I can't help but wonder what the Krang have been doing all this time and how far their reach is. You wouldn't think that they would have stayed only in NYC the whole time, would you?

IndigoErth 12-10-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1390751)
Plus the idea of the turtles having a grandma is just so freak'in adorable.http://i.imgur.com/3dMjp.gif

Omg let it happen.

I could see Mikey just eating up the whole concept and being close with her. And a grandmother could be a gentle, understanding hand when Raph is mad at the world.


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