New Ep Discussion: "The Darkness Within"
 

The human mind is an incredible machine. No human-made computer could ever compare to human thought or emotion. One of the greatest products of evolution ever seen in our known galaxy...


But what do you do when your mind turns on you? What do you do when you cannot control thought or action? The same mind that loved and protected, suddenly hates... and destroys. No one can be trusted, friends are made enemies, families torn apart...



The very idea of it can be frightening.

Angel's brother? What terrors does he succumb to? The promise of money and power- who wouldnt want this security? Money makes everything better, doesnt it? Or is it merely the root of all evil?
A weak mind is a dangerous mind in the hands of those who abuse them.

The Turtles go to help, but can they stop what they cannot kill? What is to happen if they themselves are lured into this deadly trap?

Brother turned against brother. Father against sons? How far will one go to destroy an enemy? Where does this evil come from? And is there a way to stop it?


STAY TUNED...


((Heh heh, thought I'd just get this done early to torment everyone. Mods are free to comment! :evilgrin: ))

oh yeah, one more thing...


WHAT ABOUT BEIJING?!?!?!?!

Hey, I'm back. I was just thinking about something, and I thought to bring it here for you all to look into.

There's an issue of the Mirage Comics called Turtle soup, with a picture of the turtles on a dragon. Well, if you look at the first story, its sorta like a poem, in some ways. Splinter is meditating when the turtles return from a mission. Mikey is severely injured, in a lot of pain. Splinter tends to his son, and the turtles fall into a fitful sleep. Theyre all having horrible nightmares, Mike's the worst...

Splinter sees this and decides his has to do something. Well... i wont tell you the exact ending, but those of you who have this issue might see some similarities to the upcoming ep. And if you dont have this issue... hehehe...


STAY TUNED!

Weeeeeee're OPEN! :D

The whole time this episode was on all I could think was it was a huge Lovecraft ripoff... and then the monster ended up being Cthulhu with just the colors changed. :lol:

Anyone else catch Klunk in this episode?

Anyway I liked it, good knighmares except for Don's, ok his was good too but Leo had to watch Splinter die and then kill Splinter himself, Mikey had to deal with a one armed Leo (Image refarance) and Raph had to death with Shredder Raph (Another Image referance). Funny that the Image comic is only refered to in Nightmares, well I guess it was a Nightmare to Laird.

Good episode.

Ripoff no, insperation yes

This was an interesting episode. The first thing I noticed was the Pyramid with the Eye.

When the old man appeared and they went to the room with the big picture, I had the random thought, "Hey, this could be like Dorian Gray". Kinda odd, now I think of it. Once the old guy started telling the story of the evil critter, and how it lured Europeans to the Americas, all I could think of was the Real story of Illuminati (not the movie).

The Dreams were pretty weird, tho I have to say that Leo's and Raph's were the strongest ones to me. I mean, Leo 'killed' his own father! Or so he thought. Having a dream in a dream can Really mess with your head. he was SO sure he'd just killed Splinter, until his eyes started glowing again. Jeez.... when they get home, he's probly gonna go hug Splinter REAL good.

Back to the old guy, I just Knew there had to be a twist to the old guy. so he WAS the first to be lured by the evil creature's power.


So, all in all it was a good ep, even though I'll be haunted by the pic of Leo's sword going through Splinter.... :eek:

Klunk! Angel! very creepy episode though, that monster looked like a giant shrimp! Very cool episode though, 5 stars

what is the illuminati? It sounds interesting.

First watching Splinter die and being helpless to stop it and then being forced to kill Splinter himself, yes Leo did get off the worst with these nightmares, Raph got off pretty bad two with a you are your own worst enemy type message.

Okay...this episode was creepy...but...

IT WAS SO COOL!!!

I love all the action and stuff...and Klunk! I didn't know angel had a brother...


And the old guy called Raph an ignoramus!! :lol:

It might just be me, but when Raph knocked the helmet off the Shredder, and it was him, did it seem like that one scene from Star Wars where Luke is Darth Vader? I thought so...

I'm telling you, read "The Call of Cthulhu", and you'll understand the basis for this episode: http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary...lofcthulhu.htm


See, this is Cthulhu: http://69.93.119.2/photo/1/showphoto...at=1636&page=1

All I'm saying is, if you want an action figure of the monster in this episode, all you have to do is buy that Cthulhu when it's released later this year and paint it red. ;)

This episode was very boring to me *laughs* It was a cross between lord of the Rings vs. Pirates of the Carribean vs. National Treasure! Even the guy who was from the New World in the flashback looked like Sean Bean with the blonde hair in National Treasure. the only time I squealed during this episode LOL

The monster looked like the monster from the Faculty and all the TMNT fear's made since except for Don's.

*poutz*

I hope next week's is better!

omg omg !!
 

-->> http://www.lasvegas-nv.com/showpics/pennandteller.jpg

o chr1St..this is truly horrible.. !!


The beast has control over Penn !!

O MG OMG !!


..Vegas is doomed i tells ya !! :o :o

I wonder why Don's dream was about Angel not April...

Didn't watch it. Didn't have a really big want to. Maybe I'll catch it in reruns.

Okay, Pirates of the Carribean much?

well lesse


rushed.
not enough on each's nightmares
Leo stabbing sensei was shocking...

Don's was dissapointing
Mike's was weird, "leo" sounded REALLY unnerving
Raph's didnt give him enough reaction to figure out what his meant, falls into the not enough detail in the nightmares...

I hate rushed episodes. i think it could have been better.

Yeah..pirates of the carribean..yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me....


and that's why the thing looked familiar, it's been EONS since i've seen a pic of Cthulu...my bud Bryon was into all that long time ago

Yeah i felt it was rushed too! I don't know..hopefully next week is better or somethin lol

That ending was real lame. That guy dies and they just make a joke about it and walk away. The turtles didn't even find out who he really was.

But it was a good episode anyway, just could have been done better.

Interesting.. I don't know much about Cthulhu other than the name.. but when I saw the monster.. i was thinking of Stephen King's IT....

True, the dreams coudl have been explored further, and Leo maybe for once could have been rescued by his brothers instead of vice versa... This episode was well done, considering they only had a half hour to do it.

Few interesting points... Leo saved Mikey first... (true, it was up to chance which turtle Leo would save first, but i thought it was interesting how the writers had Leo finding Mikey first...)

and about Mikey's dream... my impression from reading your comments was that you were all unimpressed that Mikey was afraid of a one-armed Leo.... I, however was impressed... Mikey's greatest fear is that Leo will someday abandon them and/or turn bad. I thought it really gave some depth to Mikey's character because it showed how much Leo really means to Mikey, and how despite his goofiness and tendency to annoy Leo, he looks up to and relies upon Leo for guidance.

"Leo's" laugh in Mikey's nightmare was freaky...

And you'd think Don would be more afraid of losing his brothers or something. Oh well. They can't all be masterpieces.

The thing with thois episode that shocked me is the fact it showed Leo actually running Splinter through....PG-13 much....I agree it was rushed....it may have been the whole set up with the old guy....i wish they'd spent mor etime on Donny's nightmare....i mean, Angel dieing...a bit forced....I see where Flash is coming from with the whole mikey afraid of leo turining on them...u'd think after that nightmare, he'd be warry of leo a bit. Raph should have fought himself more....unmasked....to come to grips....over all a good episode, but i was shocked by the graphic violence of it, for a kids show....

My impression of it, the creature wasn't really speaking, it was communicating telepathically.

Anyway, a good ep in my opinion. A little rushed, admitedly, but good. Raph unmasking Shredder-Raph was classic. Leo having to deal with and kill an evil Splinter was also interesting (reminded me of a certain MNT Gaiden).

Yeah I'm a bit surprised by all the deaths that went on in this episode, the Native American, Splinter (even if it was a dream it was graphic :o running him through ), and the old guy. Oh my! Definitely something you don't see everyday.

I agree that Mike's fear was more of Leo turning on them, Raph's was his anger turning him into a monster, Leo's of course about Master Splinter, but Don's was strange. I have to say it probably was about fearing losing their friends. Kind of makes me wonders what his thoughts were when Zog and Leatherhead died, Mikey seemed the most affected by them but who knows...

And I have to say that yeah again they are doing that joking bit after someone dies. :ohwell: They did it with Leatherhead and now they are doing it again. Yeah...not a good moment for them.

But the ending leaves it open for the monster to come back in Season 4. They might do it but then they might not. Not bad.

But that Dr. Chapman, what a ham! He's using his mentors old gimmick. Mousers! :D

I thought angel was going to fall into the fire! THAT would have been amazing!

Hey, what would you prefer? An Anime with badly dubbed lines, bad jokes, and very little blood, or an American show that proves we can still go the distance and not have to depend on crappy s*it from Japan?

It's nothing compared to Return of the Joker...that movie went to limits most American shows will never touch, schizophrensia, child abuse, blood, man, that film owns

...Judging from the reviews, this had a lot of flaws in it, the general consensus on other boards was that the story should have had two parts

Someone asked what the Illuminati is.. it's supposedly an organization that has secret control over just about everything in the world. It's been around since at least the Middle Ages, orchestrating political events, manipulating funds, and learning secrets about *everything*, even supernatural/non-human. Featured a few times in Gargoyles. Saki would have made a good member, had he not been busy being an alien. Heck, he probably is anyway. :P

Klunk! I was hoping he'd show up again!

And he didn't kill him for it! ;)

*shrugs* I dunno, I think we project stuff on animated characters sometimes. I thought he looked like John Smith from Disney's Pocahontas, myself. :)

BTW, I like your avatar, Kazari! I want one! ;)

I'd hate to think it was simply because they didn't want to pay the voice actress for just a few lines of dialog. They had her appear briefly in "Notes From the Underground" and not say a word, for what seems to be that same purpose. As for it being confusing to him... I think Don would investigate, whether she was supposed to be there or not, at least to find out what the heck was going on.

It could have been "Dead men tell no tales", so be happy. ;)

My mini-essay on the violence, using Gargoyles as a model (in my enternal comparison of TMNT2K3 to Gargoyles :)):

Events in Gargoyles where you do see blood:

Goliath catching a sword blade in his hand (sword swings down, he catches, skin thick enough it only cuts, making blood run down his hand)
Elisa accidentally shot (see the gun go off (on screen!), then see an unconscious Elisa on the floor in a pool of blood)
Goliath raked in the arm by a robot with claws (causing a series of small cuts, treated with first-aid after that)
There may be other things, I haven't watch the series in a loooong time.

Events in Turtles where you'd expect to see blood:

Leo's beating and tossing-of-through-the-window by the Foot (see some of the beating and interior shot of him coming through the window, but he's only bruised up, not cut up)
Beheading of the Shredder (see them leaping toward each other with a slow-mo effect, hear off-screen sword slash, then body landing on feet,supposedly whole, then head falling off, body collapsing, no blood)
Mike slashed by the Shredder in VR world (see blade coming toward him, off-screen slash sound, Mike flying through the air and collapsing, unconscious as though severely wounded, but no blood, which made it confusing in that case. Should have made it more obvious it was a slash, rather than a punch)
Leo running through the apparition of Splinter (eek!) (back view of Splinter as he runs toward Leo, who brings his sword up. See him collapse, hear sword slash, see tip of sword through back of robe without piercing it. :o Wow.)

Now, I found myself squirming a lot more describing the violence in TMNT than in Gargoyles. They present shocking situations, that are supposedly toned down by the lack of blood (they aren't!), while Gargoyles presents only minor situations, and uses the blood. The exception of course is Elisa's shooting, on par with Shredder's decapitation, only no body parts are lost (which I think is more shocking), and there is blood, and quite a bit of it. I argue that TMNT is more violent, even without blood! I mean, showing such violence is acceptable if there's not blood? I'm not on a soapbox, because I don't mind if they have violence like that, as long as it's not every episode. But leaving the blood out does absolutely nothing. If you're gonna go to such extremes anyway, then show the blood! Maybe it'll teach kids not to use swords or something. :goofygri:

*edit* OH FYI: That "Abandon all hope/ All ye who enter here" quote is from Dante's Inferno (I forgot exactly which canto/line) for anybody who didn't know that.

*shifts uncomfortably*

I need to see this episode again... I don't remember the TMNT making a joke after that guy died... (for that matter, I don't remember them joking after Leatherhead's "death") Maybe the TMNT were like trying to make light of the situation... like they were trying to cope with death by making fun of it? Cruel, I know.. but they're still teenagers.. they're still slightly immature... *shrugs?* Still.. if they DID joke after Leatherhead's "death" i would have been offended... LH was their friend after all... But this guy.. he was just some random guy and the TMNT didn't see him die, so the TMNT wasn't "attached" to him?

Again... it could be the writers' way to "lighten up" the show and making it more "acceptable" to the young viewers, even though it IS cruel and insensitive...

*looks around* Who's Klunk, and which episodes did he first appear in? (I still haven't seen all of the episodes... :ohwell: )

On a positive note.. I like your analysis of Don's dream... it makes sense considering Don's character (although it could be argued that Mikey's the one who cares the most about humans, not Don...)

*cries* I didn't get to see this episode. We had an ice storm, and it knocked out the power. It never came back on in time to record the show. :(

*sighs* And I was so stoked to see it. I guess I'll have to wait until it comes on CN to catch it, whenever that will be.

Did anyone else catch the fact that that Pyramid with the Eye looks almost exactly like the one on the back of the $1 bill?

it's the symbol of the illuminati...and yess it does....
http://the-illuminati.zzn.com/Custom...inati_Capt.gif

Like National Treasure *runs off before she gets hit*

*looks around* Who's Klunk, and which episodes did he first appear in? (I still haven't seen all of the episodes... :ohwell: )

Klunk is Mikey's cat. He first appeared in the Christmas Aliens. You could only see him briefly in the garage in the beginning.

But TMNT has always been kind of dark. The rating will probably go up, I think the cartoon has more older viewers as well.

Mike's pet cat. He first showed up (in the cartoon, anyway) in the Christmas episode.


Edit: So, you can't delete posts anymore?

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Beheading of the Shredder (see them leaping toward each other with a slow-mo effect, hear off-screen sword slash, then body landing on feet,supposedly whole, then head falling off, body collapsing, no blood)


Shredders body is a robot. There wouldn't be any blood.

I keep wishing that Leo would have said "You're not my father" instead of "You're not my master".

True but before then we didn't know that his body was an utrom exoskeleton.

Er, you're right. Well, you get the idea anyway. ;)