What turtles have the best relationships?
 

This is probably a weird topic but based on the cartoon, what turtles to do you think have the best relationships with each other?

I think Donatello and Leonardo have the best of any two turtles with each other. Don is probably Mike's best friend and Leo is Raphael's best friend. Any thoughts? LOL!!! :|

i'd have to agree, the two "sane" ones that they are have the best friendship, although none of them don't get on with each each other, so you could say they all bond fairly.

i dont how it is in the toon but i believe in the movie don and mike had the best relationship

Oooh, this is a good one. You could make valid arguments for any two-Turtle combination.

If this question were about the movies, yes, I'd have to say that Michaelangelo and Donatello have the best relationship. But for the cartoon, this one is too close to call.

Every time I think of a winning combo, another one pops into my head that seems just as good, if not better.

Donatello-Leonardo?
Michaelangelo-Raphael?
Donatello-Michaelangelo?
Leonardo-Raphael?
Donatello-Raphael?
Leonardo-Michaelangelo?

AAARRRGGGHHH! This isn't a fair question. :goof:

"We've never really done well on quickie quizzes."
"I have a feeling we're all gonna be losers on this test!"

Donatello and Raphael, from "What's Michaelangelo Good For?"

Hard question really, The plots aren't that deep so that you could make an opinnion. Depends on the writer I guess.

yeah, it was hard to answer that one because there wasn't really an episode were the turtles had a major fall out and aftermath analysis after it or anything.

They all are fairly Nice to eachother, except when ralph gets his temper to hott, But TMNTmz87 is right about don and mike in the movie's. They have to be nice to eachother becuase missing one turtle tears the whole thing up.

they are ALL best friends!!!! they fight sometimes but they're a team and deep down they all have great relations!

yea i love the relationship between Don and Mikey in the movies..especially the second one they seem so close and funny.
i think that although Raphael and Leonardo fight alot, its cool to see them as best friends because they are so similar

of course they all have great relations, but the question was, who has the best

dam that is a good question. Cartoon wise i would say hmmm, well, um......?

of course you wouldn't know cartoonwise, they never go into how the turtles got along, it was always, o no shredder we are the only hope the world has, that and than raph has some sarcastic remark

You have a point, well my final pick would be donny and mike.

ahem
 

in the 'true tmnt', the mirage comics that is, the only turtles ever described as 'best friends' are Mike and Raph. none of the others seem to have anything else like that.

Re: ahem
 

What do you mean the Mirage comics represent the "true TMNT"? Sure, the comics came along first, but it wasn't until the cartoon came along that the Turtles became a worldwide hit.

I would say the cartoon was the "true TMNT," if only for the fact that it was most responsible for the Turtles' success.

"Uh, boys, can we argue about this later?" - Raphael, from "The Big Cufflink Caper!"

Are the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man the true Spidey, since much more people around the world saw the move than read the comics?

Perhaps it would be better to say "original TMNT" when referring to Mirage. After all, truth is relative.

Re: ahem
 

It is original and it is the only True TMNT universe. The cartoon was produced by playmates to sell toys. Mirage comics on the other hand can be considered as a form of art. It has well written plot line and real characters. Of course not all issues are so good but most are.

Yeah it was the cartoon which made the TMNT pokemon of it's time, but that can't be really considered a good thing. Because of that, majority of people think that TMNT was only a childrens cartoon and toy line. No matter if it made more money than the comics, in real art it isn't about wich had the highest sells.

You can like cartoon better if you want, still Mirage is the True form of TMNT. The cartoon just kiddiefied the concept to fit saturday morning. And believe it or not, the cartoon was made for selling toys.

Very good point.

Can we not get into the whole True univers argument, everyone has diffent opioins and we should respect them, Mirage has both good and bad points and some need to except that other people like other versions.

That being said I've always seen Raph and Don as rather close. In the archie series their future versions seemed rather close (Ok they were the only one around at the point they were introduced but after word they were the ones we always saw together.) For the most in the serise as a whole they seemed to work best together just diffenet enogh to be perfect together. And we see this again in Next Mutation, a lot of the later eps seem to focus on Raph and Don as a team

The truth is that Mirage is the Original and the True TMNT universe. Of course everyone can have their own opinnions. If you like cartoon better im fine with it.

How can you say their a True TMNT? That like saying theres a True X-Men or a True JLA. The TMNT are an ever evolving force, that changes and shifts with the time and the medium they are presented in. Yes teh Mirage may be the original but that doesn't make them any more True than the Image or Next Mutation it just makes them diffrent, for some better for some worse.

... In case you didn't know, Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman created the TMNT. Thats why I can say that Mirage is the true TMNT universe. The cartoon is just a toy commercial based on the License Mirage sold them. Next Mutation was just stupid Power Rangers rip off. Image was an unofficial TMNT universe and Archie based on the cartoon. You can like those if you want, but the Only true TMNT comes from Mirage.

What is better is matter of opinion but the true universe is the original one.

ahem
 

actually, what is 'better' in art is NOT a matter of opinion; it is a matter of direct personal experience of depth, not your ideas of what 'good' is. translation: 'quality' in art is subjective, but not relative. think about it.

as for the 'true tmnt' bit, yeah it IS mirage. why? well, that IS the version Eastman and Laird created and the only version they have extensively worked on through and through thus far. It is also the only version of the characters that truly conveys the essence of the characters' archetypes and accurately conveys the themes and 'feeling' of the series. archie was close, and image kinda crapped around..... but only mirage did it fully (at least when eastman and/or laird were writing the stories). the cartoon and next mutation, while entertaining to some, did not have any of this in the slightest degree.

Maybe the cartoon can't be said to be better art but some people still say they like it better. But those people have probably never read any Mirage comics. If you have read the first issue from official page, it doesn't count. And yeah best of Mirage is Eastman's and Laird's stories, but there are other great ones. Like Lawsson who wrote few in the Tales series and Volume 2. Actually there are not many bad writers. Only ones I can think of are Rich Hedden & Tom McWeeney. They did parody on TMNT.

So your saying that if Laird and Eastman could some how get back together and do the comic they would be the real TMNT?

The TMNT are mearly an idea now it doesn't matter who does them even their creators they are going to be spun according to those working on them, but they will still be the TMNT. You can't say their is a True TMNT any more than you can say there is a True X-Men it can't be done. Yes Mirage many be how they were first invisioned and I'm not debating that, and yes you do know far more than I do, but I don't see how anyone can make the state ment of a True TMNT.

All that needs to be said on this is already said. Read the posts. If Eastman chooses to do TMNT again it will still be under Mirages name.

I guess what people consider to be the "true TMNT" is different for everyone, which isn't neccessarily a bad thing.

My only argument in stating that the cartoon is "true TMNT" is that it ushered in most of the fans. Note how I didn't say all, but that I did say most. Whenever I bring up the Ninja Turtles - it doesn't matter where I am, or who I'm with - the first thing people say (if they know what I'm taking about) is, "Oh, yeah, I remember that show! I used to watch it all the time!" Most people remember the Turtles for the cartoon, not the movies or the comics.

What I'm saying is that the cartoon was most responsible for people being fans. And after people were exposed to the cartoon, many of them searched out other avenues of TMNT entertainment, such as the comics. Many people on this very board have stated that they watched the cartoon first, then became bigger fans of the comic books later.

Are the Mirage comics the "true TMNT"? I guess it all depends on your perspective. But I would make a really good argument in saying that the cartoon was the "true TMNT" since it ushered in so many fans.

But, again, it all depends upon what you were exposed to first. And what you like better - the darkness of the comics, or the lightheartedness of the cartoon.

"My tummy's startin' to *hickup!* hoit!" - Rocksteady, from "The Big Cufflink Caper!"

Yes I started with the cartoon too. But unfortunately it seems I have overgrown it. But the original is alwasy the true one. Sparvid made a good example before. I can make another. Lord of The rings. THe Move was a huge box office hit. It is a fact that now more people have seen "Fellowship of the ring" than read the book. Still I can safely say the Book is the true universe.

And probably, if i never had watched the cartoon, I wouldnt have been intrested in the Comics. But still the Comic is the one that came first, it's the one that is only "true" universe. It is not amatter wich you like best. It's the matter what was created first.

And it is not a good thing, that People think TMNT as the Pokemon of the 80's. It can really limit the possibilities of the Future TMNT projects. But TMNT can be popular in it's darker form too. The first movie proved that but then came the parents.

I see your point and I bow to you wisdom but still say you can't call the first anything the True version. Look at Batman and the X-Men, they continue to evolve and reinvent them selvs for the times, just as the TMNT are doing. and you can't say todays are any less true than the first versions of them, they are merly diffrent and as long as they keep the core ideas about them them are all true

Disagree with me if you want but this is more a matter of opininon than fact you know more than me but my beliefe has merit just as yours does

Well The cartoon is not evolving. It was just version of TMNT suitable for children. And archie did a better job in that. So you are saying that you Can't say that JRR Tolkien's books aren't true? That movie is just evolving version? It's matter of opinnion wich you like better movie or the book, But the book is the true universe. Of course This is matter of what everyone considers to be "true". Mirage is true because it's original. Of course you could say that Bob Kanes' Batman is true too. Batman TAs just brought it to present day as for TMNT cartoon just kiddiefied the conssept to suit Children.

hmmm
 

just because two different people's opinions both have merit, does not mean one is not more right than another.

the fact is the mirage tmnt series is the ONLY tmnt medium to express the essence, feeling, and themes of the series. none of the others do that. THAT is what makes the tmnt the tmnt. the 'essence' and 'feel' of the archetypes. the first movie is sorta close and archie tries... but only the mirage series pulls it off.

My opinion: Mirage is the true universe, It's the first and thus also the true one.
But if you just pick someone of the street and ask him about the Turtles he'll probably refer to the cartoon or the archie series (which is much better, never really liked the cartoon. Aww, "Return of the shredder" was good though, happy?), this is because these two are more famous than the Mirage series.
So, popularity decides general. The random person talks about the cartoon because it's the only one he knows about. In general, as stated, the refering should be made from fame.
But if we go on to academic, more advanced levels? That's we're the first and 'true' is the subject. If more advanced profiles and displayings of feelings exist in the 'true' form does not matter, only if it's the first.

I prefer to view the Turtles in my own 'lil universe, adding the elements of each which I like the most, additionaly we all have our own ideas.

I hope these opinions come clear.
To short it, Mirage is the true universe, in general we're talking Archie or much more likely the cartoon, advanced: Mirage, 'Tis the first and original.

Most important of all, dont let others decide what you think. If you have an idea, let no one and everyone hear it.

True it is the cartoon that brought TMNT to the masses. But thats not entirely a good thing. Majority thinks that TMNT is just a Childrens cartoon, But there are many people that know the orginal TMNT as well. The good sells of the new Volume proves that.

Never said it was a good thing.
And much of the new Mirage comic selling good might just be because of the cartoons attraction to the younger ones, those kids are older and more mature today. I'm one of them. They may want something more... grown-up, so to speak.
But still, the general speaks about the cartoon. It's unlucky that the TMNT are being seen as kid-stuff, as we all know, it isn't...

I know. I started with the show too, but recently bought all the old TMNT comics and am now buing the new one. I know that the old cartoon is good for kids, but Mirage is much better for older people.

Indeed

They are all bro's
 

They are brothers. So atone stage or anther they will often form different bonds, but really they all work well together!

though they fight a lot i would have to say leo and raph

hmm
 

like i said, in the true tmnt universer, the only turtles shown to have a deeper bond than the others is mike and raph.

Re: ahem
 

Just curious, where are you getting that information? From what I've heard, Playmates only funded the first five episodes and had nothing to do with the production of the show, which was done by MWS.

Also, I'm not going to comment about the "true TMNT" debate, but I do want to say that everyone here should feel welcome to share their opinions, not just Mirage fans. I don't want to have to split GTMNTD into separate forums for each universe, so please, everyone, try to get along by respecting other people's opinions and not stating your opinions as facts.