old toon references in new toon
 

Do you think they should include more classic TMNT references in the current TMNT cartoon?

I do

I have an idea for one:

How about a Triceraton called Rocksteady?

As long as they aren't derogatory like they have been in the past...

how have the refereances been derogatory :|

Beats me, Krangs' cameo was true to the comedic character he's more well known for

How the turtles hate when Mike screams Cowabunga, April's flippant attitude about being a reporter "in another life" and when the Utrom told Krang to "shut up" rubbed me as mocking the old cartoon.

I thought they were being derogatory too. I said it in the Favorite/Least favorite Characters thread. (I guess they are trying so hard to make the show badass. :rolleyes:)

Here is a cool nod to the old show, from Episode 2 I think. I can't remember the exact quote though:

Leo: "Watch your step, guys, or you'll be turtle soup."

A nod to the Shredder's old school threat: "Tonight I dine on turtle soup!" :D

I thought the attempts at cutting off Cowabunga was FUNNY, and represented a nod to the original fans, an attempt to maintain it's own identity, not anybody elses'

Pete does have a fondness for the original cartoon in places, particulary with Rocksteady and Bebop, and the fact that...well...the series made what we have possible in the first place

Shredder told Krang, or wanted him to, shut up in the original cartoon for years at a time, Krangs' character gradually became a connvining, whining comedy character anyway, so I fail to see why that comment was "derogatory"

Seriously, you fans tend to look too much into these things, get a grip

Honestly, I thought the references were truly paying homage to the original animated incarnation of the TMNT from 1987 and relating it to the characters as they're currently depicted.

I remember back in 1990 how Raphael always used to make witty remarks about Leo's battle cries and how much he got a kick out of being around his brothers, especially Michaelangelo. He even once yelled "Cowabunga!" himself while surfing ontop of a fire hydrant (which came off pretty goofy, even for that series at the time)
Now here in the current show we got Raph as Mr. Toughguy who shuns just about every wisecrack Mikey tries to make. It's just so interesting when you look at the contrast between the different versions of each character.

Really, I think people are just being over-sensitive if they think those references are derogatory. "Cowabunga" doesn't fit in the more serious mood of the new cartoon. But it is a huge part of the old - so making joking references are funny. Especially since Mikey is the least serious Turtle of the new show...he kinda lives in the world of the old toon in his mind.

And the Krang thing... heeh, I laughed at that. It's not mocking the old cartoon however...it's just an excuse to drop a name. For all its plot worth, the line "shut up" would work just as well. And dropping Krang's name among the race that inspired his character is... pretty funny.

Question though, "FALLEN ELDOR"... I know from reading your posts that you like the old toon better. Could the offense you're taking be simply because you don't like the new series and (with or without realizing it) are just looking for more reasons to dislike it? No offense meant, but... those complaints seem a little too... *searches for word* touchy?

I have to agree with Masked Ninja on this one. I mean it sounds alittle strange to get worked up over these references as if the writers themselves were treating the classic cartoon as the butt of all their jokes.

Anyhow, I just wanted to bring up one thing that I thought it might be funny if at some point in the near future they were to reference the old belt buckle initials.

Yeah I tend to agree those references were pretty funny. Can't believe I missed the "turtle soup" line. :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I love the new cartoon. It's almost perfect, I just dislike certain aspects of the show. Also, I'll be the first to admit that the original cartoon was pretty damn lame a lot of the time, at least as the show progressed. I liked the original 80's episode of the show the most, but haven't seen much of TMNT in YEARS! Often times my criticism might seam like it's coming from a bad place but I'm just a critical person. When I walk out of a film, I cannot help but analyze it up and down, that doesn't make me overly sensitive. Am I a bit touchy when it comes to Laird's admitted dislike of the cartoon? Perhaps, but I think that guy needs to accept the fact that the TMNT have grown beyond what he thinks they are, and be appreciative of that silly little cartoon for making him so much money.


and what the hell happened to the Shell Cells? I haven't seen them use those since season one! :lol:

If that was true don't you think he would have put them in "his" version of TMNT by now? :ohwell:

I missed it too the first doezen times, don't worry. :D

EDIT: Oh, and I'm sorry for getting "worked up." I do like the new show. I'm just sensitive. :)

don't apologize for your opinion. Some people need to realize that others are going to disagree with them, they need to accept that not everybody thinks they way they do.

Nah, you don't need to apologize. We just thought that you guys were getting a little too sensitive. But that's OK... you like to analyze details, I like to bask in the whole. I suppose you and I agree that the new toon is cool at least. :tgrin:
*laughs* I thought "Shell Cells" was kinda lame. Turtlecoms rule.

yeah. Lets all get along and like give peace a chance and stuff.

But Shell Cell is so 21st century! :lol:

His vision of TMNT just doesn't include Rocksteady and Bebop. He's said repeatedly in his letters collumn that he doesn't hate the characters, he just doesn't think they would work in the new toon and he doesn't want to change them from what they are. However, two Purple Dragons frequently appear in the show, both bearing an arguable resemblance to Bebop and Rocksteady's human forms (also remember that they started our as Shredder's street punk lackies in the old toon). So those two Purple Dragons are probably the most we're going to see of Bebop and Rocksteady.

In regards to the topic, I love any and all references to the old toon. I thought the stuff in Secret Origins was hilarious and the jabs at "Cowabunga" are meant to be laughing WITH the people who grew up on the old show and not AT them.

The Shell-cells pop up in season 3, as a way to resurect the presumed dead Prof. Hunnycutt, AKA the Fugitiod. But yeah I love the old toon and I love any refrences to it.... i think that there should have been a giant boar in the nexus along side Usagi and Gen as an homage to Bebop and Rocksteady.....but that didn't happen....here's a question: What kind of homages do you wish they'd show in the new show to any past representation of the Green team?

Well that would only make sense, Laird wasn't very pleased with the first show

Anyways, I think it would be funny to have Mikey turn on the TV and one of the TMNT rip off shows could be on. Like Street Sharks, but not Street Sharks just something like it. And then he just go "Blah" and turn it off

That's a misconception, Laird would'nt want to see the first series NOW, but he does'nt "hate" it

I think I might fall off the couch if that ever happened. That would be hilarious. *thinks* Or have Mikey play Battletoads?

I always thought Samuri Pizza Cats was by far one of the worst TMNT ripoffs ever done!

Was that a TMNT ripoff? I remember watching it, but the details are fuzzy. I just know I liked it in some way or other...even though they shoot out of a pizza shop when they go to fight people... *laughs*

Well I didn't say he hated it. I said he disliked it. Because in one of the interviews he was talking about how he didn't like the way they were in the daylight all the time. He also said they looked too puffy like balloons which bothered him. Maybe I said it wrong, he was displeased with it. He most likely loved it all the same being his own creation.

And I thought Samurai Pizza Cats was funny! It was a spoof of alota things. Alota bizzare homosexual refrences. Espcially in the episode "Gender Bender Butterflies" It was a Dragon Ball spoof too. "Faster then any turtle ever was!"

Hahaha! Battletoads! Mikey could be playing it and then throw the controller down and say "Who comes up with this junk? Mutant frogs, I mean that's not even original!"

Samurai Pizza Cats was one of the best anime imports, AND dubs, of all time, and one of the best parody series ever. It totally ripped the p*ss out of not just TMNT in the title sequence, but also Dragonball, Sentai, gender bending, homosexuality, everything they could get thier hands on.

I had no Idea the Samurai Pizza Cats name was a jab at TMNT, but It makes sense now. damn i'm slow. :dead:

Actually I don't think that the characters from the classic toon and the new toon are so very different. Leonardo and Donatello are still the same. Michaelangelo and Raphael I think are the ones that changed the most in it current incarnation.

Raphael from the classic toon even though he wasn't violent was still a hot head and easily irratated, and they both would rather die than admit that they are sentimental about anything in any way and both get flustered easily if ever confronted about it. How many times did Raphael threaten to stuff Vernon into a garbage can or something, he still made threats when he was irratated. But Raphael in the new toon is just a real bad ass now ;) who does really good kickin' ass. And he has a soft spot that is just adorable.

Michaelangelo in the classic toon and the new toon are pretty much the same in their interests, ie: love of comic books, super hereos, animals and having a pet, partying, pop culture. But other than that I think that the two Michaelangelo's have different personallties. Michaelngelo in the classic toon seemed more laid back and easy going and not quite so--er hyper :ohwell:. Its like they took Raphael's personallty from the classic toon and gave it to Mikey in the new toon. Now Mikey in the new toon is the one making all the quips and throughing around all the one liners. I don't think Michaelangelo threw out to many one liners or quips in the classic series. I think his only one liner was Cowabunga.

Also I don't know why Laird spasses over the TMNT walking around in day light so much. When they did they usually wore trench coats and hats or some other disguise.

No they didnt. In the first season, or should I say the first few episodes in the first season, yes but not after that. They were in the daylight in almost every episode. And it wasn't just in the daylight, it was in the daylight around lots of people. And none of them seemed surprised to see a giant turtle. Because they were on the news all the time. It was annoying <_<

They sometimes wore human masks in the third season, ugly masks, but masks nonethless

Hahaha I remember that, when Mikey worked for Shredder deilviering pizzas. :lol:

"I've been delivering pizzas for Shredder? Well there goes my shot at getting a raise." --Michelangelo