Konami fu*ks around With Turtles in Time
 

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I've seen some official videos of the game (sorry, can't post them), and I can say for certain that the Turtles in Time game in TMNT:3 coming up is a recompiled version and NOT the original.

They have placed in more enemies, and replaced the Pizza Power song with the sh*t theme from the new series. It is possible that more changes will be made before release (possibly even character designs)


I am a video game purist, and to me, fu*king with what I consider history's greatest brawler is evil. Don't get me wrong, I love the new series with a passion, and I believe it should have video games based off of it, but Turtles in Time is based off the old TMNT, and it should stay that way. If the recompile was to make it perform better, I'd be fine with it. But they're screwing with it for the modern audience and covering up the old day's existence. This is wrong IMO, and frankly, I'm mad over it. If they didn't listen to fans, the original TMNT arcade game wouldn't have been in the last game.

Tell them to leave it alone! God! I can't believe they're ****ing with it! This world we live in today angers me. :evil:


One thing that especially pisses me off is that they're replacing an awesome song with the crappy theme song of the new series! :sick:

Amen to that. People shouldn't mess with the classics, especially ones as loved as this one. It's just wrong on so many levels.

Pizza Power is an immortal theme song. It's the same as if Sega went back and jerked out the old classic Sonic the Hedgehog music and replaced it with....oh, I dunno, "GOTTA GO FASTER, FASTER, FASTER< SONIC X!"

Yeah, scary thought.

Hell, I still go to Chuck E Cheese once in a blue moon just to play this sucker when I'm depressed. Replacing the music alone is wrong, but the other stuff they're considering is plain sacriligious.

What?!?!?!? THEY DARE REPLACE PIZZA POWER?

Konami = FAIL

This is worse than replacing the music in the original arcade game.

But for the record, that's the arcade version and the SNES version isn't the exact same so they aren't ruining the game design itself just the music again.

The arcade of Turtles in Time has larger sprites, different bad guys and less levels.

So don't get too bent out of shape about this. It should be an exact emulation like the other arcade game but with different music again. But no Pizza Power makes me sad, very sad indeed.

I loved when Konami annouced they release the old arcade games on the next gen games but playing them without the original music just isn't the same.

I guess it can't be helped if someone else owns the music and Konami can't use it but darn it... why can't it be the exact same when it's the same company porting it to next gen systems?

Jeez what a bunch of douche's, why mess with something so great which is part of a completly different period of time, the simpler days that is. Man and to mess with the music should be a federal offence, Im glad I still got the SNES version.

That game was the sole reason I picked up a SNES...to make ANY changes is uncalled for becuase the game is practically perfect...so i definately don't want to see this game altered..not one bit, esp replacing the classic Pizza Power

I wouldn't mind if a few of the typos were fixed up... it's "slimEballs," Metalhead. Geez, you'd think a robot could spell.

But I totally agree, they need to leave Turtles in Time alone. After all, it isn't about the new cartoon. The new cartoon did not exist yet.

It's not about the old cartoon either, or the movies, or the Archie or Mirage comics. It's about all of those put together-- a reminder of the turtles' legacy... not to be ****ed with.

What the Hell! My favorite arcade game...myfavorite Super Nintendo game and they want to rape it? No...they don't need to change a damn thing! Unless they replace the mud monster with Slash like in the home version. I don't mind it they change that but anything else is a NO. Why is it Megaman and Sonic can get whole collections of their games unaltered but TMNT has to get this treatment? Gah that pisses me off! And they better not do what they did with the last game and make the music the same for every level that was boring and LAME!

Ok...I'm gonnaplay devils advocate....I'd like to see both first. Yes the original TiT wasa great game....I just wish I could see the visual changes first. The changing of themes....that's just bogus...I love the Pizza Power opener....in fact that opening bit led me to track down the song...But I'd still like to see the visual redux....would they replace characters from the OT and movies with NT counterparts. I think it'd at least be interesting to see a retooled version....rather than just go off and say, "They're screwing with a classic!" I say, if it's not to much trouble, put both versions on...have the option on the title screen of "Classic" or "Re-mix" or something....I'd like to see how they retool it is all...call me curious.

Well, I just found out they're scrapping the whole soundtrack and replacing it with some modern crap. Most likely the 4Kids underscore from the new series.

The original Turtles in Time music reused the classic theme here and there throughout the game, and they don't want to pay for the rights to reuse it (which isn't much, believe me).

This burns my ass because it's no longer the same game without that mucic, and it was written by th same guy who did the Gradius series at Konami back in the day. This is wrong on so many levels. The new music won't even be done in the old style. It'll be some heavy metal sh*t.

A few more comments, and I'll start getting the letter ready.

God damn it! And when you say heavy metal you mean some lame ass trying to play guitar and some loser trying to play drums. Just like the last game <_< GAh that bites

Ok...this does wang chung....the music made the game...:(

Turtles in Time had some of the best video game music ever IMO. So this is sacrilige!

I honestly can't even begin to comprehend what those idiots at Konami are thinking...Yes, including the old arcade games in the new console beat-em-ups is a good idea; indeed, the prospect of playing these classic arcade brawlers on our PS2s has had many fans excited. But altering these great games (which came out at the height of the Turtles' popularity back in the 90's) to make them more like the new series is an atrocious offense to all things Holy and good on this Earth.

The idea that Konami is totally scrapping the old soundtracks and replacing them with new music is appalling, quite frankly. This simply goes to show you that Konami doesn't really care about fans of the old cartoon --- by altering the game, the company is trying to appease newer fans and is literally giving us old-schoolers the finger. (Jesus, I'm only 17 and I'm considered an old-schooler??) No matter how good the newer version of "Turtles in Time" will play, changing the core formula is not a smart move on Konami's part: they've advertised the inclusion of the old arcade game, not some half-assed version with music pulled from the new series and altered graphics.

I was peeved about a year ago at the state of the original Turtles arcade game in "TMNT 2: Battle Nexus", too. The classic theme of the 1987-1996 cartoon plays an integral part in the richness of the old TMNT property, and replacing it with an annoying, nerve-gratingly repetitive song from the new series was a huge mistake. The game just ended up looking and feeling unpolished --- a real travesty, in my opinion. If they really want to alter the original arcade games, why don't they keep the music and sound effects, but change the game code so that you can't keep inserting quarters over and over again when you haven't yet died...!

"Cowabunga! Cowabunga! Cowabunga! Cowa-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cowabunga!"

Jesus, that was one of the most annoying things I've experienced in a video games. At the very least, I thought Konami would learn from its mistakes and include a full, unaltered version of "Turtles in Time" in the new "TMNT 3: Mutant Nightmare"...Instead, they're making the same mistakes and all new ones, too.

Jeez I am pissed about this...

Well theres two things to do to fight this. Start a pention online to make the game unaltered or don't buy it.

Or Find someone who knows programming and download a MAME rom of the arcade game and them replace that with the one in the game and then burn a copy of it and play it that way. But that's pretty diffcult...I say pention

Heck....I haven't even been able to play the clasic arcade game in my TMNT 2, for the PC...:(

It's official. Konami sucks as much ass as Playmates now.

It's been that way for a long time...unless it's Metal gear or Castlevania they don't care about it.

I'll be citing the Technodrome in this letter and including all of the best quotes in this thread from you guys, seeing as we represent a widespread core of the TMNT fanbase. Konami needs a wake-up call.

Make sure you post it here before you send it to em so we can see it ^_^ Sitck it to them good!

I talked to a friend about this and he brought up a good point... It might have been 4kids that caused them to replace the music. They do afterall replace the music in all foreign properties and never used any of the music from the old TMNT show or even tryed to remix it like Transformers does. In which case I'd finally have a reason to dislike 4kids when it relates to TMNT besides the DVD releases.

Konami is getting lazy on their license games though. No doubt about that. Even so there's no good reason not to pay the royalties to use the old music. They had a better excuse with the first arcade since it borrowed heavily from the old shows music but Turtles in Time had mostly an original score and a VERY awesome one at that. Only a few tunes used the music from the cartoon and even remixed it. I don't think Konami has a lack of appreciation for the old music given the first GBA game's final battle with Shredder has some kind of remix of the old Shredder theme from the TMNT arcade game.

Yeah... I'll go with my gut feeling and blame 4kids. I always do for just about everything else...

This is sorta a microcosm of why I don't buy video games anymore period. It seems like the care and precision has gone out of it. I mean, sure they still make good games, but the polish isn't really there. Mario Sunshine was a lot of fun, but it wasn't as polished as Super Mario 64, it felt somewhat rushed. Don't even get me started on recent Starfox games as compared to the first two. There was a lot of care put into these old games that new ones just aren't getting.

In the case of Turtles in Time (and even SNES's Tournament Fighters), Konami obviously wanted to give fans a last hurrah. Now the industry is a lot more about dollar competition. Competition has gotten so heated between 1st party developers, 3rd party developers, and again between 1st and 3rd parties, that things are more about hype and profit than the actual game.

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-TMB

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Why mess up what is cosidered by many the BASE of all Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles videogames? This is nothing but an pure insult to the people. People that spent MILLIONS of dollars on YOUR TMNT software that YOU'VE made. Why not just give us our money back if you're just going to sell us out like this? We've supported the company ever since the first videogames debuted in 1989. And even though this is 2005, there are some things that must not be tampered with in any fashion. Turtles In Time is one of them. Perhaps you should just make a TMNT videogame collection instead, because this is a HUGE mistake. This is Game of Death all over again...

Bad idea, Konami. And you wonder why people are starting to ignore your games, especially the new TMNT games?

How about, while you're porting or emulating Turtles in Time, you pay attention what you did RIGHT, and apply it to the new games? Then you won't have to put ten year old games in as a gimmick to get them to sell to fans.

Hell, how about instead of wasting our time pumping out more TMNT crap you rerelease the old games by them selves on one disc, hm? Sega, Namco, and Midway have all done, and Nintendo's even offering their classic titles on a download service on the upcomming Revolution. It'd be cheap, TMNT fans would buy it, brawler fans would buy it, and casual players love those $20 5-in-1 games.

If you change anything with Turtles in Time, I will NOT buy TMNT 3. It won't be worth it, when as far as I can tell TMNT 3 plays exactaly like TMNT 1 and TMNT 2.

Really, Konami, you're turning into EA Games with this crap.

Agreed. Personally, I've bought TMNT1 on PS2 because I wanted to support Konami at first. Then, when TMNT2 was released, I rented it on PS2 but I was skeptical... and my fears were confirmed. The game was not as good as expected. I didn't unlock the classic game since the game was rented but since everybody here's being telling how butched the port was, I totally gave up on TMNT2... it was hopeless, even for a long-time TMNT fan like me.
When I saw previews of TMNT3 on PS2, I crossed my fingers and hoped that the game itself would be a lot better than TMNT2(PS2). From what you guys said so far, I think the Turtles in Time arcade game would be the only redeeming point in the whole package. Unfortunately, it seems the nostalgic feeilng we all expect will be totally absent.

Did you guys know that petitions from fans might work if we express ourselves enough? For instance, take Ys6:Ark of Napishtim. Before the game was to be released here, Konami said that the game's original soundtrack would be replaced by a newly orchestrated soundtrack (which was actually remixes from all previous Ys installments). Fans did not accept this and expressed their discontent to Konami. Somehow, when the game was finally released, the original soundtrack was back to where it belonged and Konami was able to win back the hearts of loyal Ys fans.

Perhaps we can make a little difference this time for TMNT3. I hope so, for I don't see a glint of hope for the TMNT video game franchise's future if things remain the way they are.

What is wrong with origional music,they made the music.
The guy, made the music for game is probably really mad about that.
They, better have the same levels and the length to.
What, are the extra enemies being adding in.
There goes, the Shredder final boss theme.
I have played, both Arcade verison and the Super Nes verison.
I prefer, the Arcade game more.
Dumb move, on konami's part replacing the origional music.

?! ..made tOkKa cry..
 

-->> So to get it straight.. this is not port of the SNES version of TMNT in time.. but the arcade ?!

..my mind is racin' as fast as sonic right now so it's hard to make clear what all is going on with dev- on this game.


In TMNT 2 :B.N. .. the real meat of the game was the actual game it self.. the arcade port of TMNT 1 wasn't all that.. and yeh like you guys are sayin' .. cuz the laziness to import the original music kind of killed it. The boss music just repeated over and over. It was ok to play the orginal game.. but the audio element smooshed down to some generic 'made up on a whim' theme did make it less of an experiance.

.. i dunno..

i like the the new TMNT games.. the 'extras' seem lazy and pointless if they aren't gonna port the whole thing.. music and all. :(

..i'm kinda sad too..

is Konami and Mirage,4Kids really that lazy and cheap to say ..'****.. we aren't gonna pay extra for license fees for some silly theme songs ..no.. let's just hire that Monkey n' organ grinder again !!

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-->> ..gee i must be out of it.. i totally missed TMB's letter..

GOOD JOB,Dawggy @@ !! :)

Tmb
 

-->> TMB ,Can you add my comment please ?! :sick:




"Please keep the classic and beloved game..TMNT :Tuerles in Time in it's original form. Altering it in anyway would ruin it for so many older Ninja Turtles fans and hurt the chance for new fans to enjoy it in it truest form. All the original elemnts of 'Turtles in Time' are why this game continues to remain so important and memorable to many fans ..altering it in such a manner as has been reported would destroy it.Please keep it in tact for preservation of this beloved game for old and new TMNT fans alike. Thank you"

I hope this works... I have the feeling no matter what we do they'll go ahead and do whatever anyways, maybe replace Bebop and Rocksteady with Hun and Baxterfly with Ultrom Baxter or something.

You know I don't get it...I mean their so lazy isn't it eaiser to just port the thing the way it is anyways. Changing stuff makes them do work. And so does changing the music. Stupid really...I mean what's the point of spending all the time changing it when they could be spending it on other stuff. What their gona take out Krang? And make the turtles knee and elbow pads brown? And make the Shredder look like he does in the new show? And Splinter? And April? And the foot soliders are going to be human? Hell why don't they just make a whole new game and call it the same name for that <_<

Maybe they don't own the rights to the song anymore.

It happens with WWE Games all the time, they don't hold the licence for certain entrance themes, so they are replaced with other generic ones.

^ True. You don't know the flap that goes around when Batista's theme isn't right.

But still this a matter that we can't really help, They're gonna do this apparently and i doubt a couple of guys like us are gonna change their minds.

Plus im kinda interested in it...i have a TMNT:Turtles in time cabinet anyway.

Well fine change ONE song or all of them but why these other changes?

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-->> ..isn't there something disturbing.. (maybe trivial ..) happening here ?!

They are toying with history in a way.. Peter Laird and company are kinda caving into the corprate control and away from the needing to kep control that originally made TMNT a powerhouse to begin with.

I've been open minded to new game plays.. i've enjoyed the incarnations of TMNTs as the years have gone by. I really like the past few Turtle games (yeh..that's just me..).

If it's letting Fred Wolf control every single aspect of the rights to the old cartoon..(thus apperantly not leting anyone use anything from the original including theme music..). So it's ok for Mirage to create the characters..and own the rights to that. But Fred Wolf and his pals can just take that ball away from them and everyone and run with it saying.. "No No No .. it's mine !!". Sh5t.. so it's no wonder ..just short of ebay.. kids prolly won't ever get a decent and official release of things like the TMNT anime (Wolf owns that too !!)

Peter Laird wants to alter some of the clasic TMNT volume one books.. might as well be considered TMNT 'Special Edition' .. becuase he's had fallings out with people ..and now that he's total in control.. he can alter history any which way he wants. What a great trend..

..just cuz he doesn't like something.. he has the right to alter anything. 4Kids picks up that trend.. and now we're getting an official hack and alteration of a classic game.

Fabulous.

Maybe Konami and 4 Kids just don't care .. $$ is always the bottom line.. and they figure enough kids and fans are gonna buy the game to turn a hot buck.

..gee..

Alot of people don't like me.. thinking i'm just some crazy f7ck. But all these little alterations and twisting of things is really bothering me. Maybe i am crazy .. maybe you don't consider me to be less of of a Turtle fan cuz i really enjoy the classic TMNT versosn,Next Mutation, and alot of the less popular elements TMNT's currrent incarnation. Whatever. I get this stuff all the time.

There's some really bothering things happening here.. i kind of hope TMB's letter will wake some people up. And i'm applauding his effort and the people contributing to it.

Hey ..ignore me if you want. I don't post regulary enuff' to have clout around here.

But i'm not retarded.. i think i have some valid points. I saw this crap happening last year when they altered the original TMNT arcade game. :(

The Music, GK, isn't the point.

They're talking about changing the way it *looks*. Yes, graphics arn't important... but why waste time, money, and talent upgraded an old game when they *should* be paying attention what made the original games so good? And why the hell would you mess with a classic look like this? Yes, Nintendo changed the original Metroid, but those were accompanied with new gameplay mechanics and improvments on level design. You can't change the level design in a brawler like that... you walk left to right, hit things, move on.

Variety, my friends, is what made those games fun. Each level had some new formation to take down, introduced some new element to the design. Another top notch example of this kind of game development in action is Super Mario World. All 96 levels of that game had at least one new thing in it, be it a new enemy or a new block, it kept new things comming your way. Konami needs to impliment this. Brawlers get boring quickly, but by tossing new things at you left and right, it'd keep it fresh. It shoulden't be that hard, with Konami's experiance, to understand this simple concept of game design.

Even more people should put their quotes into this letter --- we may not change Konami's mind about this issue, but at least we'll have our voices heard!

I'll post this whole thing up on my Blog, too. The more people who see this, the better.

Odds are the rights for the music aren't owned by Komani. It was probably done by the the studio that used to do the TMNT toon.

As a complete aside, what is with all the anime butt's as sigs?