Best fighter of th Turtles?
 

I';; vote for Michelangelo, as his nunchaku are the most versatile of the TMNT weapons, being useful for defense (repelling attacks) AND offense (seriously, wooden rods spinning fast against your cheek would deliver SERIOUS discipline). Also, he's the fastest of the Turtles, and ninja need speed.

The worst (be warned, the following will be politically incorrect) is most likely either Donatello or Raphael. Donatello's weapon, though versatile, isn't particularly powerful. And although Raphael can stab with his sais, he's too stupid, like a brawling animal, to be an effective fighter.

Leonardo is considered to be the best fighter of them all. I think he's the most skilled and best trained one.
Yet I think Michelangelo is the most talented fighter - he won Big Brawl, for God's sake! Plus, in OS, he showed that he's able to even knock Leo over, when given a proper incentive (that means pizza).

I vote for Michael.

I think trexmaster has elaborated that for me.

Though i do not agree on your statements regarding Dons bo staff. a wooden staff like that can deliver a great amount of damage.. the speed the tip of the bo staff is traveling in is very high, just as fast or even faster than mikeys nunchakos. Plus the bo staff wont bounce back as the nunchakos would. Believe me, being hit with a staff like that sends you to the ground in no time. Dont ask me how i know.

...I really tried to resist this time. But I can't.

Rob Van Dam is the best fighter.

I think Leo is the "best" fighter at the moment. Mikey is really talented though and if he focused more he could beat leo.

Ok, first off, it's not about the weapon, it's about the fighter. Either way, Leo has the most leathal weapon.

Second, Leo is obviously the best fighter, always has been and will most likely always will be because of his commitment, discipline, and drive to be the best.

It's true that Mikey is the most agile, but Leo is right behind Mikey in that category, plus, Leo is also very cunning, an excellent strategist and tacticion, and has a natural affinity for warfare and such.

I vote Leonardo. He's the most disciplined and most focused.

Well, come on It's obviously Leo for reasons already expressed, he has the most commitment, discipline, and drive to be the best there is.

I concur....haven't you watched The Shredder Strikes? They we're all saying their weapon was the best, to which Splinter told them, "It is not the weapon that is important, but the arm that weilds it." I voted Leo because he's the most dedicated to the art and most willing to improve. Mikey won't practice, thinks there is no room for improvement.

The boys are all the best at their own thing. When it comes to combat, Leo is the best. It's as simple as that.

Honestly, to pick any of the others as the best fighter is just a biased attitude of favoritism rather than going by facts which have been presented to us for over 20 years.


Now, I love Mikey, and no offense to Mikey fans, but I just don't get why he got any votes. Yes, he's the most agile, but it takes a Hell of alot more than being quick on your feet to be a superb fighter. Leo is superb in all aspects of fighting. He's a natural fighter where as Mikey is simply a natural athlete.


EDIT: Oh, I see Raph got a vote as well. *shakes her head* See, this is why these types of polls are pointless. The choice is obvious yet people will go against facts and just choose their favorite turtle.

Next we're going to have a "Who's the best electronics technician" poll and some how there will be votes for Leo, Raph, and Mikey.

:roll:

If the others were as dedicated as Leo...they'd be unstopable. They'd still have therr individual styles, but if they were all as focused and willing to better themselves, they'd be a "4 turtle wrecking crew."

very true ryona but I think their all great fighters in their own way. I think the only time way raph is a good fighter is when he is mad or upset.

I agree, but fortunatly, they're not all going to be excellent at the same feild of interest. I like it like that because it makes each of them more unique that way.

Leo is the best fighter.

Donnie is the best electrical, scientific, and computer technician.

Raph is the best motorcycle driver (and most wittiest in the original series)

Mikey is the best athlete and comic.



I disagree. He gets way to sloppy when he get's mad. He's much more dangerous and more effective as a fighter when he has a cool head.

Infact, in season four, Raph is much more stable and cool under fire, and it shows in combat situations. He's finally becoming a greater fighter than he was before, which is really good since he's been the most static with his progress from the rest of the boys.

If Raphie could keep his head, he might have a chance.
I see it this way:
Leo's best all around
Donnie's the most improvizational, can make things up on the fly'
Mikey's the most swift and agile
Raphie's the (Physically) strongest (and he relies on brute strength as opposed to tequnique, which make for his lose of control and defeat)

I wish there was a "Who's the best lover" poll. Sadly, no chances for that.:dead:

Oh, yeah, don't get me wrong. If Raph can really focus and keep cool, and with a little more disciplin, he can get as good as Leo. Infact, all the boys can be as good as Leo if they really aply their efforts to the level that Leo does. Though Leo has that heart of a warrior. Like I said, it's in him. It's his passion.

Agreed....now who's gonna make the "Best at wearing an Orange bandana?" Poll...:P

Now here's something to try at home. Get a broom (I know you all have one) and then go out in the garden. Hold the stick on one end so that the brush is closest to your hands. Then you swing that DIY-Bo and let it hit the lawn. Then look at what you've made... a friggin hole in the ground! And if you consider two to three tons of pressure concentrated on one point tbo be not "particulary powerful", then I wonder what "particulary powerful" is.

Allthough there is situations where a bo is more or less useless. In narrow spaces for example.

Ehm... I dunno. Looking at the way the TMNT were brought up, I see that they were all taught the same thing, aside from weapons training (isn't that really obvious?). So the main reason is, why my vote goes to Leo too is that he's the one to actually use that training, being focused and not thinking of anything else. The others are all haven't really managed to get over their own selves.

Let's look at Mikey. He would probably be on a level with Leo, but (and that's a really big but) he's goofing around. So instead of focussing on a fight, he thinks of a witty thing to say or a funny move to do. His mind is not in the fight. It needs a really good reason for him to actually concentrate, to actually put his mind into the fight. His self pushes through.

If we look at Raph, we see that he lacks control over his anger (his self). He has enormous amounts of strength, but he forgets all the training when he's all "Grrahhh!".

Donnie is just a more peaceful nature, I see him not as a fighter like the others. Sure the others are more or less fighters, but Donnie isn't. He knows everything the others know as well, but he uses it completely different. Whereas Leo goes for the kill (as seen on numerous occasions), he even hesitates to injure. That's probably his weakest point.

To me, it's not about the weapon or the arm, it's about the mind.

I think we got it. Thank you.

Well said Anarky. It's all about the Nninja who posseses the arm that weilds the weapon.

Sorry :tanime:

I just get flustered when people make choices that are contradictory to facts. It's the common sense part of me that goes nuts. :lol:


But anyway, seeing as Raph and Mikey got voted, I want to see Donnie get voted too. What the hell, right? We might as well have all of them with at least one vote. :lol:

Leo, hands down. He's the one who cares and trains the most. When you make something your hobby, you work at it constantly because it's enjoyable. That's what Leo's done, and it shows.

Though in all seriousness, I think if Mikey buckled down, got serious, and trained as hard as Leo, he'd eventually surpass him. He just has more natural talent, speed, and agility. Thing is, he probably never will because comic books and life in general are more important to him than ninjutsu. But I think about how kickawesome Mikey was in SAINW (with one arm, no less!) and that would be an example where he would be forced to get serious. His final fight was wonderful to watch.

Don is probably the least skilled right now because he concentrates on his gadgets. Which is perfectly fine, because they've saved the guys' lives on many occasions. He contributes his share, it's just not all on the battlefield.

Raph gets sloppy when he gets ticked... may I present Big Brawl pt. 3 as Exhibit A. But Ryona's right - he's a lot cooler and more collected nowadays, and therefore probably better in battle. I would say he probably has the most raw strength of the Turtles.

I dunno, nunchaku strike me as being extremely lethal. I suspect that they could crack your skull.

And Michelangelo has superior agility, superior creativity, greater intuition, and superior open-mindedness (which is important in ninjutsu, a "soft" art). That is more important in my opinion than "discipline".

lol. I guess you're really trying to sell your choice here.

Yes, Mikey has superior agility, but Leo is not far behind in that category. Superior creativity? In what way? Are you saying that Mikey is the most resorseful in combat? If that's the case, I would have to give that one to Donnie. Greater intuition? I don't believe Mikey has shown much intuition, especially in the battle feild. It's always Leo who's the one who really is able to feel how events are going to unfold. It's one of the things that makes him a geat choice as leader. Though one can argue that his intuition with Karai was way off. :lol:
Or maybe it wasn't. We still have yet to see where Karai's final fate lies.
I can agree that Mikey is very open-minded, but Leo is very open-minded as well. I mean, he was willing to cooperate and work with Saki when they first met, and Leo has countlessly looked past Karai's "vile" exterior and believes that she can truly side with them with some persuation. If that's not open-mindedness, I don't know what is.

And believe me, coming from a person who's done a few years of martial arts, dicipline and dedication is crucial to really excel in the martial arts. I've seen too many students with talent who never took their training seriously, and because of it, they were advancing through the levels by a crawl. The other students who may not be as physicaly gifted but take their training seriously always moved up the ranks quickly and are really tough to beat in sparring matches.
Why do you think Splinter can defeat the TMNT even though they're much more physicaly gifted than he is? It's all about dicipline, dedication, and having the right frame of mind.


Don't think I'm puting down Mikey and saying he's not a great fighter. I love Mikey, and I know Mikey is an amazing fighter. But the truth of it is Leo is better. It's that simple.
I don't blame you for sticking up for your favorite one, but facts can't be ignored.

I think the key thing to remember is, while Ninjutsu is viewed more as a chore to Don, Raph, and Mikey, to Leo, it's viewed as a hobby. People always excel in their chosen hobbies.

I sure as hell wouldn't vote for those three in that poll.



I'd vote for Rob Van Dam.

:lol:

Is there anything he can't do? :D

:lol:

He can do EVERYTHING! :)

But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
:ohwell:

he IS why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch :o

Really? Well now I feel weird.

I have to agree with the majority and say Leo. He has proven that he is the most talented turtle when it comes to the art of fighting. With Leo his ninja training is his first priority.

I'm biased...I don't hafta say who I voted.

Right now it seems that my bad boy is a better fighter with Leo going bonkers with his little failure issue.

Oh I'm soooooo tempted to post one

Are you saying that Raph is a thoughtless, brutal animal? :x Raph's actually not a horrible fighter at all, he isn't the quickest and has a short temper but he is the strongest physically...he just isn't into the perfection, grace and discipline required of the arts; he gets the job done any way he sees fit. If he obsessed himself like Leo is, he could be just as or more effective than Leo...it's just not his thing to do all that.

I agree with practicly everything Buslady said. Sure Raph is too rash and too unstable to be at the level of Leo and Mikey, but he's certainly not stupid. Infact, ironicly, as Leo get's more outta wack in season four, Raph seems to mellow out, cool down, and mature more and more. Raph is certainly becoming quite the fighter now.
Though Leo is still an amazing fighter when he's all super focused and intence with his "in your face" attitude. I would say that he's infact even better when he's in that state.
And I don't see Donnie as so hopeless either. Sure he's not as athletic as his brothers, but he sure as Hell makes up for it with his intellect. Fighting is not just about the body, it's about the mind too as well as the spirit.

And believe me, the bo is very powerful. It's also very handy and it has the superior reach.

ditto.

The bo staff is actually one of the most practical of the four turtles' weapons. It has long range, can easily be handled as for fighting off people at both sides of you, it reaches extreme speed when swung (thus hitting you with friggin uncomprehedable force (you are actually thrown off your feet)), and, it is the best weapon for blocking front attacks (by placing the one end of the bo in the ground just in front of you, and using that spot in the ground as a base, moving the other end of the stick any way you wish (this blocks one entire side of the body, instead of just i.e. upper right, lower left...)).

I'm sorry, but we're talking about ninjutsu, not kung-fu or karate. In ninjutsu, a genuine appreciation of the art is the most important, not the ability to obey robotic commands and orders. Michelangelo is the only turtle with a genuine love of ninjutsu, so he's the most open-minded. Leo trains only to please Splinter, Raphael trains only because he loves violence, and Donatello doesn't even care that much.

That said, Leo is probably second to Mike, which I think is pretty good. Don't think I'm trashing Leo.

That only goes so far. A truly skilled fighter is dextrous, graceful, precise, and clever, and Raphael has less of these attributes compared to the others.

Now, that part could upset many fans of the TMNT. You're basically calling Leo a teacher's pet, Raph a violent moron and Donnie uninterested.

Has it ever crossed your mind, that Leo trains because he sees the necessity of these skills in his life. I mean, being a mutated turtle in a world full of people who will most likely want to kill you to see what made you tick probably isn't the easiest thing to do. The way I see it (Ryona, please correct me if I'm being stupid), Leo trains because he sees that his life will most likely be at least a bit easier if he's able to defend himself and move unseen. That's why the TMNT probably move up on the rooftops. If I was a Turtle, I'd be the same, I'd realise that I have to be able to defend myself, being able to fight off the hard world up there in order to survive.

And Leo wants to have it as easy as possible and if "training = easy" then "more training = easier".

And Raph loving violence is bollocks. I have my anger inside me as well, and I let it out sometimes (actually as soon as someone really ticks me off), but I do not love violence. I do not want to hurt anyone, even if I've just beaten them unconscious. Go figure.

Donnie not being interested... bollocks again. He is interested in martial arts, since he needs it to survive as well. But he does not want to use it. There's a huge difference between not using and not being interested. Donatello tries to find ways to avoid fighting, but if you have seen SAINW, then you see that he can fight and that he uses his skills.

If you have seen to many fancy movies, then yes. Then a skilled fighter moves faster than light, looking cool and always making a witty remark. Let me guess, you have never really been in a fight. Not one of those sparring-things, but the real deal. There's nothing cool and graceful in there.

You have failed to refute my point that superior dexterity, grace, cunning, and precision are advantageous in a fight.

My Raphael Is the best figther:D

I have never trained in Ninjitsu, but I would think its more than just wild unpredictable moves, you would have to have a certain mind set. Sure mike is open minded, but whats to say that his brothers aren't frome time to time. Sure Leo is a "By the Book type fighter" but Mike is on the lazy side so which do you think is Worse!? I'm not trashing Mike but his is a lot layzier than Leo.

They help, but mostly it's all about being prepared and experience. When you're fighting, you don't have the time to think, you don't have time to develop awesome plans and cool looking moves. What you do is whacking your opponent as hard as you can so that hopefully he doesn't whack you. And that's the problem with most martial artists, they're nothing but artists. They know plenty of cool looking moves they can use in a certain situation. But in a fight, there is no certain situation, a fight is nothing stiff. The rules are bent and there's no standard maneuvres. You can have all the grace you want, but if you get hit, it will hurt. If you get hit a lot, you won't get up. All that fancy fighting you see on TV has got nothing to do with real fighting. Most of the time, you don't even see the first hit coming, unlike TV where the fighters hold long speeches before they actually get to the fighting.

If you want to know more about that, then I recommend you to read this book. It teaches you a lot about fighting in general.

Can you please tell us why he is the best fighter? You know, we're having a bit of a discussion here. Maybe your insights will help.