the Ninja Turtles Twin Tower episode
 

unsure where to put this,it's still a tmnt topic.

I was watching my season 2 DVD again. Does anyone recall "Enter: The Fly", has anyone heard anything about anyone complaining about it? I watch this and go,"wow.Those buildings aren't there anymore."

Someone I talk to online says, theepisode should of been cut. I feel for him, but it's not fair to destory a cartoon from the past to make the present happy.

Hotrodding teenagers would also have to be cut, Shredder parks the Technodrome between the towers.

see thats my wonder. My friend says it's disrespecting them, but I mean this cartoon was in the 80's...Spiderman movie made sense but the tmnt episodes?

Yes, the tragedy happened... and it was horrible. Doesn't mean we should pretend like the towers never existed. We move on, but we don't forget.

Exactly, it's no disrespect. I think I'd be more upset if it was cut, myself.

you might be right. I think there would be a bigger protest of the tmnt fans protesting the scene cuts.

It really aggrivated me when any station cut something that had to do with the twin towers. It happend, it was horrible but life needs to go on.

No that shouldn't have been cut. Are you going to toss out all the pre-9/11 movies that you can spot the Twin Towers off of TV? Hell no. Just another US goverment manufactured sentiment to perpetuate censorship, enforced by the FCC and the MPAA by unconstitutional beatdown.

Dude, they didn't cut it, it's ok.

I agree with Mask and Jester. Those towers were a part of life as well as art. We can't remove all trace of them from our art any better than we can remove them from our memories. Moreover, it wouldn't be right.

That said, some reminders of 9/11 do make me shudder. I avoided driving in Washington DC for months because I knew I'd get lost and wind up on the freeway that runs past the Pentagon. (I did, too.)

But if I can't handle it, I can change the channel.

Come again?

I know, but the incentive itself gets me steamed.

Well I have to agree with you Optimus Prime. Nothing should be changed. I think that is why alot of pre 9/11 stuff no longer airs. Home Alone 2 actually got away with part of it when it aired around Christmas. But the new covers have the towers gone.

How many TMNT eps where around the twin towers? And this might be why Fox won't air those Spiderman episodes

It'd be Disney, they own Saban now, not Fox.

Doesn't Disney own WB as well?

I hate the fact that ever since Uncle Binny and his little Tail-buddys got drunk and crashed some planes into the towers, we gotta be so uptight everytime we see them in tv and movies. I still can't believe they stopped airing a whole episode of the impsons because of that.

There is a difference between being uptight and being respectful.

You can't completely avoid the towers as they are part of our history, but you also can't just brush off what happened to them. Because it's not the towers, it's the people inside, and what happened to them, and what happened to us.

I mean, come on, to a lot of people, America was violated. Heck, the whole world in a way, since it was the WTC. To a lot of people, that overrides the artistic/comedic value of something like the Simpsons and makes it totally un-entertaining. So why air it? Have a little patience; this needs the distance of time.

Again, I can change the channel, but I think there may be good reasons for choosing not to air it in the first place.

I do not for any reason see why old shows and movies have to have the world trade centers taken out of them honestly I think it is really rude to those who died to act as if those building had never existed so I am really happy they exist in the turtles universe still atleast.
-Putrescent

Wasn't there an episode where Krang threatened to roll over the twin towers if his demands weren't met? I think it was one of the Big Blow Out/ The Big Rip-off/ The Big break in trilogy thing.

Hmm I don't recall that episode. But it rings a bell. Wasn't there a TMNT ep, where the gravity pull was causing building to turn over, including the twin towers?. What is werid after years of trying to destory the towers in cartoons/movies/use them for a big scene someone actually did it.:ohwell:

I daresay it was actually popculture that inspired Al-Quaida.

To stay on-topic - that concept is pretty bizarre. TMNT cartoon was made a few years before the attack. And it is somehow a historical document of its times (1980s/90s decade). So wiping out WTC is unnecessary.

Not quite, but the media does have its effect on today's so-called terrorism. It's all about attention. You know, the Twin Towers held no strategic value to anyone, so why knock them down and kill thousands of unnecessary lives? Because people will be watching. It's no longer about political targets or strategic value, it's about being seen, attention, your personal 15 seconds in the spotlight.

The Pentagon, I can sort of understand, but then again, there's too much left for conspiracy theoreticians (is that even a word?) to blahblah about and sadly, most of it sounds more or less credible.

To go back to the subject. I feel it's a disgrace to cut out the Twin Towers from any movie and media. It's not like they never existed! People should see it the way they were protrayed, the mighty, beautiful Twin Towers that were in the middle of a really friggin' huge city. It's not like that big hole in the ground was always a big hole in the ground. And people died in there, people died to save other people who the media doesn't give a damn about. It was a really big act of humans helping humans, the way it should be. But what do we get? "Al Qaida this" and "Saddam Hussein... oh no, not him... oops sorry." and "Bin Laden that". All those unsung heroes... Sure, you see the guy with the Twin Towers tattoo on TV or in the newspaper, but that's about it.

I'd even pay money to see Spider-Man with the Twin Towers in cinemas again. So, no, I don't think that cutting Twin-Towers-Scenes is of any use.

No, AOL Time Warner does. The epitome of corprate evil.

Hey Optimus Prime would you blowa circuit if they removed the Twin Towers scenes from the G1 show?:D

Actually, they'd been trying to hit the World Trade Center for years. It was an iconic landmark, and was symbolic of not only America's capitalist strength but of our capitalist allies. (Gotta give them credit for doing it on "9-11" though. Very cute.) The only bigger target would have been the White House, and they probably hit the Pentagon because they couldn't find the White House. The Pentagon is a physically huge target; you can see it from miles away in the air.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories for the simple fact that the government ain't that organized. Well I've got other reasons too, but I'm not getting into that.

But I agree, actually editing the towers out of any old stuff is wrong.

I have to agree, I was watching the episode where Shredder and Baxter where on the TWin Towers and then left. Then you hear Don talking about it to Splinter and saying "It has something to do with the Twin Towers". If this was editted for the wussy people. This episode would make no sense and make you say,"WTF?"

One of the future TMNT eps, I think it was 'The Big Blow Out' dealt completely with the Twin Towers since it was the base of Shredder and Krang's plot to power the Technodrome. They'd have to cut out the entire episode if they were to censor the Towers.

EK!:o Now that would be AWFUL

Holy crap. I happen to adore that episode. I would be infuriated if they cut it because of that. *cracks knuckles*

I could see you running a mock in NY saying,'Get over it!Gimma my Shredder!"

I'm surprised that some people would want to destroy some of these scenes and episodes. The sheer fact that it was a national tragedy doesn't mean we need to eradicate our past just to suit the sensitive people of today is comletely ludicrous. Just because Pearl Harbor happened doesn't mean we forget about it and wipe if from our minds. Same thing goes for the World Trade Center. Now it is part of our cultural history. Same thing goes with anything as disastrously tragic as that. Letting things slip away like that means we forget it. If we forget it, we dishonor the people who tragicly died that day.

I say it is more immoral to rid ourselves of these images and these movies/shows with shots of the WTC in them. It's starting to show our younger generations that if we wipe things out by making there be no more traces of them, then we can make our tragidies disappear.

Amene to that. Amene!

I downloaded episode 4 of the original....and I heard them say the "International trade centre"...was this in the original, or was it just a "strategic change of word" to avoid offending "certain people"?

episode 4? the hot rod teens one? I'll have to watch it again

Yeah, it was "The Big Blow Out". Krang needed the tallest building in the city to create the dimensional portal. Don called it "World Trade building", BTW.

That's true what you say. Nevertheless, I just meant that the inspiration for using four planes loaded with people as missiles might have come from a fictional plot. Like in "Independence Day" by Emmerich, with Empire State building's pictoresque destruction by the invading aliens - I'm pretty sure this movie greatly inspired Al Quaida to perform a similar vivid action (in 1993, WTC was "just" bombed). I also remember watching a movie, made before 2001, with a commercial airliner hi-jacked by terrorists and heading for the White House. I can't recall its title, tho' :|

But then again, it is highly possible that two different "writers" came up with the same idea. I mean, destroying an iconic landmark is not really something you have to be a genius to come with. All you gotta think is "What is there that will give us maximum attention?" What's better than a skyscraper? Or two skyscrapers for that matter.

But on the other hand side, it is possible that they were inspired by your movie, Rob, which would make the events even more tragic.

Rarr. I'd pop out of the ground via Transport Module. You know, so I could escape the mob...

Terrorism
 

The WTC also appeared in the episode "Landlord of the flies". And that episode also delt with terrorism when Baxter Stockman tried to destroy a power plant just to ruin society by causing a blackout. (Krang, Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady at least tried to steal energy to power up the Technodrome).

...The Decepticons beat you all to it.

http://devastator911.ytmnd.com/

Well if that wasn't the most insulting thing I ever seen! Hasbro should get sued or that scene HAS to be editted. Plus whoever made that page did it to be a jerk. At least in TMNT it was never a success to destory the Towers. The towers where there and used for a plot. Same with Spiderman and every othe movie before it.

Shame on the guy who made that page. I'd be careful too, if the wrong person sees that it's an automatic terrorist threat and your ass is fined. Stupid and funny as that might sound I'm actually rather serious,I heard enough talk, debates,laws,etc after 9/11 happened. That's all my dad would watch on cable!

In other words, be careful with what you post online!

Oh, yes! Definitely. Hasbro should not only be sued, but also arrested and then executed! 9/11 is all their fault! The wanted to sell toys! Now it all makes sense to me. Like, they took American Airways, because they wanted to show the world that the Decepticons are better and all that.

Yeah, right... go sue them. It's a win-win situation for you. You get to be in court and you'll be the laughing stock of an entire planet. You'll get more than just your fifteen minutes in the spotlight. You'll have internet-fame, and even in years, people will laugh at you.

You know you got to have better things to do then to follow me again or just insult a post. Maybe you'd understand more if you lived in the states instead of in another country?

I just think posting that is pretty insulting cause we all where talking how they shouldn't be removed but posting it destoryed well...that's kinda mean.

I'm just remembering how others would feel. Nobody wants to relive it destoryed