Gargoyles
 

Hope I'm not starting a pointless thread. I've noticed a few people are fans of "Gargoyles" here. And I thought this would be a good place to talk about the show. Anybody have any thoughts?

Incredible program. I really wish Kieth David would do more cartoons, he has an amazingly creepy voice.

I'm looking forward to a season 2 DVD, should Disney ever announce that.

By leaps and bounds, the final hoorah for Disney's consistently great animated series in the 90's, when this, Darkwing Duck, and Goof Troop ended, NOTHING was the same for the company in terms of shows

Amazing balance of darker, consistent storylines, torturted characters, numerous Arthurian mythologies coming to life before our eyes...the near entire cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation as voice talent, etc

I love serious animation. Why dosen't the rest of America agree. :(

Did those jerks at Disney ever release DVD's of this, or are they still considering this the dark bastard child of their past they want to forget because they think animation is for kiddies and are afraid of Soccer Mom mobs.

Ohh... I remember this. I used to watch it at my brother's place when i babysat. Only saw 4 or 5 eps, but I liked it. Love stuff like that... :D

Oh yeah the DVD's been out for a while. I haven't really seen it in the stores recently but you could probably get it on the online stores at Target, Best Buy, and Walmart (got my copy at Walmart) and...Amazon.com.

I LOVE this show! Gargoyles was actually my first fandom when I joined the internet. My site still holds my old fanfiction and art of the series. It's everything I love in a series: good-hearted "monsters", magic and myth, time travel, cool tech. All done with brilliant writing and breathtaking animation.

I got to see Deadly Force unedited for the first time in years. :D

I’m getting season two when it’s released, and I hope, like every fan and the creators, that this kicks Disney’s butt into doing one of those spin-offs. Go TimeDancer!

Because they'd rather let the Japanease do it right now. :cry:

:lol: Kali just checked out your site. I'll put your fics on my ever growing to-read list. You are a bigger fan that I am. I didn't even KNOW they had Gargoyles stamps.

Hey I wouldn't mind if good Mr. Weisman got all six series off and running (Bad Guys, New Olympians, Dark Ages, Gargoyles 2058, Time Dancer, and of course Gargoyles). Unfortunately that point is moot. :( One of these days I should gather up the money and courage to go to a Gathering. But until then I'll just discuss the show with anyone who loves the show. :)

I own the first season on DVD. I've always liked the show, even though I think it went to s*** the longer it lasted. But almost everything does.

What I really disliked about the show was that almost every villain turned good in the end. I haven't watched it in a couple of years though.

Hmm well, I'm sure right now Xanatos is behaving because of what the Gargoyles did for him. But if an opportunity presented itself he would backstab them in a minute.

Demona well she has her reasons for doing what she does. She never reformed. And that's the way she should stay.

The villains in Gargoyles were never really black and white. All had their reasons for doing what they were doing. Whether it was the quest for immortality or revenge. None were totally evil or totally good. So there's always the possibility that the "good" ones could go over to the dark side. Or the good guys becoming bad.

Xanatos never did that 180-I’m-good-now thing. He simply changed his priorities at the end. The Gargoyles are no longer his enemies, but that doesn’t mean he’s stopped his games with others. Xanatos does, and always has, lived by his own, personal set of rules. Even when he’s doing “good” the man has to be sneaky and underhanded, or else it’s really no fun. Point: Possession. That’s why I love his character. It’s not about being bad it’s about winning. I mean, honestly, how many times in the series did Xanatos really lose? Two, three maybe?

That’s why I love all the characters. Demona’s perfect, since you get to feel so sorry for her, you almost wish she’d win.

And the good guys aren’t all black and white goody-good perfect, either. Especially at the beginning. There are many times the Gargoyle's sense of honor would clash with humans', specifically Elisa. I love those times when you aren’t quite sure who to root for. Almost all sides believe they’re in the right, on the side of good, which is rather realistic.

Exactly! Thank you Kali. Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

...creepy? I thought it was kind of comforting, myself.

He did do the voice for two characters on Aladdin: The Series.

Not that it was advertised well... I only found out about it last month, here in these forums, as a matter of fact. (I had my mom pick it up while she was out somewhere, I think it was Target, so they still had copies as late as last month) I never saw any advertisments, for that matter. Not even on the website! And it was only the first season. But, as a big Disney fan, I'm surprised they did that. They've never put a whole animated TV series on DVD before. I'm hoping they do more (Aladdin! I'm an Aladdin fanatic! Do Gargoyles Season Two, and the Aladdin series! Pleeeease!)

IF it's released. I know, think positive, but I think it was miraculous that even the first season got released. Disney's VERY fussy about releasing stuff that isn't really popular (in their eyes, that is. The Gargoyles rabid fandom is actually enough to populate a city, probably). I don't think they'd like spin-offs for a program that old. Though that would be cool.

Because America still can't see animation as anything but 'kiddie'. It's slowly changing (notice that animated features nowadays are usually PG rather than G?), but it'll still be awhile. They thought nobody would be able to sit through a feature film when Snow White came out, and look how many more there's been since then! It just might be a few decades yet...

Heehee, I went to the one in Houston. Did one of ten posters for it that they printed and everything. :) It was a lot of fun! Nice costumes, got Greg and Thom Adcox-Hernandez to sign a couple drawings, bought an incredibly over-priced comic book, geek-talked with a lot of other fans, met some people I knew from the internet. :)

Hmm... I don't think so. Not outright, anyway. He does have a sense of honor, even if it's slightly twisted. Doesn't mean he won't manipulate them, but I don't think he'd kick them out or turn them over to Quarrymen or anything... (don't hit me, they really were Greg's idea! ;))

LOL, this has bothered me since the beginning of TMNT2K3:
Foot headquarters (pre-season 3)=Eyrie building. Got antiquated-looking architecture perched atop a sleek office building, tallest thing for several blocks (if not the whole island), helicopter pad, the works.

Surely I'm not the only one to think that? :)

We gotta have a crossover... (I know Amanda(tello) has one (at least in the planning stages, whether it ever gets past that or not remains to be seen...) but I want a TMNT2K3/Gargoyles crossover!)

Yeah, we can always hope. :D

A crossover? *scratches her head* Gargoyles takes place in the mid-nineties. TMNT 2K3 takes place now. Well, dates don't have to matter unless we want to extrapolate ten years. I did have the idea for co-acquaintance character of both Elisa and April. You know, knows them both, casually. Maybe April’s got something in her shop Demona wants to get her hands on. Though Bishop and Sevarius together could be terrifying. Hmmm…

Gargoyles season two would have to be released in around three volumes, given it's longer.

It's one of the few Disney series (the other being Duck Tales, and later Kim Possible) to defy syndication restrictions and have a story arc that lasted more than just a few episodes, the "global world tour" arc stretched to around thirteen parts, and it is either liked or disliked by the fans, mostly because it excluded almost every main Gargolye character barring Brox, Goliath, Angela, and Demona for several episodes.

His voice is very dark and eerie. He was the voice of Spawn on the (awesome) HBO series and his voice fit the bill perfectly. It's very gloomy and growly.

And he's done lots of random Disney voices. I know he was the Minitor-guy on Aladdin, Apollo on Hercules, and Mr. Pig on Tim & Pumbaa just to name a few off the top of my head.

*Sigh* Here we go arguing over semantics again. :P

Crossovers? Hmm...well okay Name of the fics are Shellshocked. There was another on fanfiction.net but I can't remember the author's name.

Oh I'm hoping Sevarius would get his hands on April. She would look awesome as a little cheetah mutate. :D Maybe she could finally get together with Donnie that way.

I myself have drawn Gargoyle/Turtle hybrids, although I don't really have a story to go with them. :tanime:

I now have the urge to draw TMNT clones a la Sevarius' technique, with all the warped coloring. :ttwisted: Slash suddenly popped into my mind for that.

Oh yes yes please! Maybe a red clone, a yellow clone, a purple, and an albino. All with those creepy red eyes. Or like the Gargoyle clones (minus Thailog) different colored eyes. Oh but then...April/turtle clone. Venus maybe? :P

*shrugs* I know, but it's not like the Gargoyles aren't probably still around. Of course a lot of stuff could have happened between then and now. (Oh, gosh, Alexander would be ten! With some siblings probably! :teek: ) Or like you said, it could be overlooked. I dunno.
I don't think Bishop would be able to stand Sevarius. I could see a big personality clash there. :goofygri:

Ohhh. I didn't know that (or maybe I did and forgot, now that I think of it). Hmm, yeah, I guess it would seem creepy in that context.

Yeah, he did Minos on Aladdin, and King Sebar later. I forgot about Apollo, you're right!

LOL! I thought you'd say that. Nah, I knew what you really meant. Just giving you a hard time. :D

I've seen 'em, I likes. I haven't tried any of my own, but I've drawn Amandatello's "Ellies" a few times.

I keep wondering about the cloning thing in TMNT2K3. I dunno what Bishop's up to (other than the 'super soldier' goal); is he going to be enhancing humans, or making new critters? Then again, they're trying to restrict the number of mutants running around, so probably not. But a crossover, that would allow for the clone thing. :)

Woah. That'd throw my project for a loop... :)

Yeah but I could see a bigger one with Sevarius and Stockman. They are both egotists but...I think Stockman takes the cake in being full of himself there.

...Is this a Gargoyles thread, or a fanfiction thread?

Anyone want to seperate the posts discussing fanfiction "crossovers" into an actual fanfiction discussion thread in the fan forum? I'd like to discuss what has actually happened in the show :lol:

Oops! Seemed natural to compare the two. :tanime:

Well, what's everybody's favorite episodes? Characters? My favorite episode's The Mirror. Puck is such a fun character, and I love how he plays with Demona. Few can mess with her like that without losing a limb or two. Elisa looks so pretty as a Gargoyle, and it’s such a riot to see Gargoyles running scared of a small group of humans. :lol: I still wonder what Xanatos and Fox looked like as gargoyles.

Oh dear, they'd kill each other... ;)

Awwww, do we have to? Okay... :P

Oh yeah! And the rest of the human cast in NYC as well... Robbins, Vinny :roll:, Matt Bluestone... etc etc. There was so much that would have been cool to see in that ep, but pointless for moving the plot along. Ah well. :)

Oh but Zarius that is the point of having fanfiction. To explore things that wouldn't normally happen in the show and fans want to see (i.e. Elisa and Goliath together, them having a kid even though it's impossible, different pairings) but true, too true. Gargoyles deserves it's own fanfic discussion thread. :evilgrin:

But anyways, there's plenty on the show that we can discuss. Like...what's the real deal on Lex. :evilgrin: Or what Titania told Fox at the end "The Gathering".

What specifically about Lexington? :evilgrin: Question: Is it actually true canon if we are given a "fact" about the universe from the creator(s) that wasn't shown on the show? We all know they aren't gonna bring up the deal with Lex in show...

Personally, I think Titania said something about this all turning out according to what she planned. I think Greg’s having too much fun keeping this from us. :lol:

Of course it wouldn't be Greg Weisman if he didn't. :D

I'm personally a little grumpy about that. I don't really believe it. :| And he didn't give a definite answer, really, like he didn't want to pin it down. So unless he says, without a doubt, so and so is the way it is, I wouldn't call it canon. But if he does (like the names of future family members, and his few other direct answers), I'll take it as canon. Of course, I also don't want to take that certain bit of info as canon. :(

Titania's whisper to Fox never really bothered me. Greg probably doesn't know exactly what she said either, anyway. :lol:

Anyone see the preview for next week think the Donnie episode is a little too similar to Gargoyles "Future Tense"? Granted it's not a dream (hopefully) and by all accounts Shreddar is real. But missing eye Raph. Cyborg Don. Anybody else see eerie coincidences?

Well, I didn’t go to The Gathering he announced it at, but from second-hand info, Greg’s decision on the Lex thing is definite. He’s even answered questions concerning it at Ask Greg. Still doesn’t make it true canon, I suppose.

And I didn’t immediately connect the Future Tense thing. I mean, Future Raph has always lost an eye. Mirage, Image, Archie. And the “villain takes over” AU senerio isn’t exactly new. Cyborg Don’s been done, as well. I personally thinks it’s more of a “great minds think alike” thing. However, if they have Karai and Raph together…

Now that you mentioned it...the whole "future is ruled by the villain" thing does a general formulaic feel to it. Friends have died. Someone gets mutilated. And they're fighting a rebellion against an enemy. It sounds generalized but it works. Can't wait actually for the when Disney does season 2. I hope they do. *crosses fingers*

*erks* Really? I haven't looked over there in a while.. Greg, why are you doing this...? :ohwell:

I actually think anything that a creator says about his own characters IS canon.

I mean...a certain TMNT Scrappy Doo character exists, but Pete does'nt acknowledge her, so we don't count her as canon.

C'mon, be nice Zarius....

*pets her frozen tuna*

...Just giving an example

If it makes you feel any better, Aska handles her perfectly :D

Thank you, and I agree. :D

Zarius go on over to Fanfiction.net and take a gander at the Gargoyles and TMNT (well any fandom really) I guarantee you you'll find some pretty bad Mary Sues that make Venus tame. Not that I'm saying she's a good character. :P

But moving right along anyone see anymore TMNT/Gargoyles similarities? I always thought that Saki looked kind of like Tony Dracon. Now if he started calling April "sugar" I think I'd be laughing my ass off. :lol:

I love gargoyles. I'll buy all 3 seasons (yes even the sad season 3) So Lex would actually betray the clan...doubtful. Besides, it was a dream indused by puck anyway...although he did say that it could be more than a dream, a prophosy!!