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Katie 02-01-2006 11:12 PM

Puppies Smuggling Drugs
 
This is so sad :cry:


(CNN) -- A two-year investigation into a Colombian heroin ring netted more than 65 pounds of drugs, resulted in the arrests of more than 20 people and saved the lives of some drug-smuggling Labrador retrievers, the Drug Enforcement Agency said Wednesday.

Ten wayward pups were found during a raid on a Colombian farm in 2005, and six of them were carrying more than 3 kilograms (6.6 pounds) of liquid heroin in their stomachs, said DEA spokesman Rusty Payne.

Puppy smugglers are another take on the human "mule," or "swallower" in DEA parlance -- someone who ingests packets of drugs and transports them in their stomachs.

The puppies, however, had little say in the matter.

In the case of the puppies found during the 2005 raid, the dogs' bellies had been cut open, and heroin packets were stitched into their stomachs, Payne said. The pups, mostly purebred Labrador retrievers, were sewn back up and prepared for shipment to the United States, he added.

"The organization's outrageous and heinous smuggling method of implanting heroin inside puppies is a true indication of the extent that drug dealers go to make their profit," said Special Agent in Charge John Gilbride in a written statement.

Though the 10 dogs were rescued before being shipped, it wasn't enough to save all of their lives.

"Three of the six died of infection when the drugs were removed," Payne said, adding that four other puppies "were going to be used and obviously were saved."

Payne said the DEA did not announce its find after the raid because the investigation was still ongoing, but Wednesday, the two-year probe yielded 18 search warrants in six Colombian cities and landed the latest of 21 arrests, all Colombian nationals. Another arrest was made during the investigation in North Carolina, said DEA spokeswoman Erin Mulvey.

In addition to the arrests, the investigation led to 14 heroin seizures, totaling 24 kilograms (52.8 pounds), and a seizure of 6 kilograms (13.2 pounds) of cocaine.

The investigation began after agents learned of a cartel in Medellin, Colombia, that was smuggling drugs along the eastern seaboard from Miami, Florida, to New York City.

The cartel also used human couriers, the DEA said in a statement, and shipped the heroin in "body creams, aerosol cans, pressed into bead shapes, and sewn into the lining of purses and double-sided luggage."

Fledermaus 02-02-2006 09:22 AM

No, puppy killing is justified, because cocaine is a native crop that most Columbians have to grow to make their bread and butter and feed their little children... Because the flippin druglords, who quite literally run the country, more than likely won't let people make a living off any other profession! :x We'd hire ninjas to go after em and put them all behind bars for life -- but that would be "unethical.":roll:

In the meantime, all I can do is feel sorry for the poor animals. At least they were puppies, and not babies... :(

Jo Dawn 02-02-2006 10:18 AM

Jeez... that literally made me sick to my stomach. That's absolutely horrible, though I've heard of thise being done before.

I hope they do something even more horrible to those monsters to punish them... And not just let them sit in jail. They should suffer like those poor defenseless animals did. More than, actually, since the poor puppies were victims and had no choice or chance.

Kid Icarus 02-02-2006 11:39 AM

How about putting some heroin packets in *their* stomaches that disolve with water, then make them drink up ;).

Seriously, sick sick people.

Anarky 02-02-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwgtrunks
How about putting some heroin packets in *their* stomaches that disolve with water, then make them drink up ;).

I just love how you people can justify torture and death penalties within seconds.

Sure, they were puppies and they were used to carry drugs and died, which is indeed horrible. But when you kill off a farmer (because it's the right thing to do blahblah) you don't do anything. You're not stopping drugshipping, you're not stopping people from taking drugs, you're not saving a single puppy. But at least you killed off a farmer, and that's the right thing to do.

Unfortunately, animal protection groups can't do anything against that, but hopefully, now that they've exposed this way of shipping, the senders will think of something new.

BartAllen 02-02-2006 02:41 PM

I have to agree with anarky.. Death isnt the anwser. Maybe America should worry more about the people who use those drugs. No demand. No supply. Its just that simple.

Mobius One 02-02-2006 08:31 PM

Absolute pieces of ****. Why would anyone do that?

Kid Icarus 02-03-2006 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Anarky
I just love how you people can justify torture and death penalties within seconds.

Sure, they were puppies and they were used to carry drugs and died, which is indeed horrible. But when you kill off a farmer (because it's the right thing to do blahblah) you don't do anything. You're not stopping drugshipping, you're not stopping people from taking drugs, you're not saving a single puppy. But at least you killed off a farmer, and that's the right thing to do.

Unfortunately, animal protection groups can't do anything against that, but hopefully, now that they've exposed this way of shipping, the senders will think of something new.

actually, i was thinking more along the lines of "wow, wouldn't it be fun to see what would happen if that was applied to a human...?" then anything.

mix that with a knee-jerk reaction, and presto, you have gwgtrunks being an idiot ;)

Masked Ninja 02-03-2006 03:09 AM

Nasty. Those people will use anything just to get that stuff through. :dead:

I saw an episode of CSI or Law and Order or something, where they essentially shoved diamonds up a horse's butt to smuggle them. Didn't end well for the horse, either.

Jo Dawn 02-03-2006 08:14 PM

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How about putting some heroin packets in *their* stomaches that disolve with water, then make them drink up
Actually I was thinking more cut them open with little anaestithia (sp?) and putting in a bag or two of stuff with a hole in it, to give it them a bit.

And no, I'm not joking. I'm an eye for and eye kinda gal. Especially, you know... when they prey on some poor defenseless animals.

Peanut 02-03-2006 10:03 PM

Yeah, f*ck that.

I'm of the mindset that if you're going to be a complete worthless pr*ck who pulls off sh*t like that, you deserve to die. I don't care. I don't care if they have families and little kids or whatever. They're sick. People like that don't deserve to live.

Ra 02-03-2006 11:42 PM

... *dies*

Those basterds deserve to rot in hell.

I'm not usually the one who says 'violence isn't always the answer', or 'violence is the answer' to problems, but right now I want to murder whoever had the idiotic idea to do such a spineless and crule thing. I love dogs, and I'm an animal lover. Take that story and get me to read it, and that gets me pretty mad and ranting on and on like I'm doing now about how the people behind all of this should have five years+ in jail. Dogs are living creatures, as are humans. They feel pain. They feel emotion. They feel discomfort. They were not put on this earth to be stuffed with drugs in their stomaches

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn
I was thinking more cut them open with little anaestithia (sp?) and putting in a bag or two of stuff with a hole in it, to give it them a bit

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Originally Posted by Gwgtrunks
How about putting some heroin packets in *their* stomaches that disolve with water, then make them drink up

*salutes you both*

Two of the best comments I've ever read :)

Anarky 02-04-2006 04:51 AM

I think you should all die for killing countless insects.

Sewer Bull 02-04-2006 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Anarky
I think you should all die for killing countless insects.

Insects are not that cute.

This discussion reminds me of one of Perry Bible Fellowship's strips:

http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temp...veDecision.jpg

Anarky 02-04-2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sewer Bull
Insects are not that cute.

This discussion reminds me of one of Perry Bible Fellowship's strips:

http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temp...veDecision.jpg

My point exactly.

But, hey, people here are all "eye for an eye", so they should realize that they'd have to go all the way and get themselves killed asap, because they've taken numerous lives in their life. Or they realize that they're being hypocrites.

Jo Dawn 02-04-2006 10:31 AM

Well I'm safe then. I like little bugs and I bottle them and take them outside instead of killing them. :)

Anarky 02-04-2006 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn
Well I'm safe then. I like little bugs and I bottle them and take them outside instead of killing them. :)

I have serious doubts that you never killed an insect. Every human being has killed an insect, even if it's just squashed on the windshield.

Excuses don't work here, Jo. Eye for an eye, all the way.

Peanut 02-04-2006 11:49 AM

Do you have to be the voice of constant nagging on every single issue? Just knock it off, even if it's for a day.

Jo Dawn 02-04-2006 05:19 PM

I make no excuses. Well, have I never killed a bug? Well sure I have. But I conciously try NOT to. That's the difference. Their intentions were purely selfish and evil and they should be rewarded in kind.

Plus, there's a world of difference between accidentally squishing a bug and cutting open puppies to import drugs.

Anarky 02-04-2006 06:05 PM

I don't think they wanted to kill the dogs. They wanted them to live, because no one wants to import dead animals. If some died, it was an accident. Same goes for a bug on a windshield. You don't want to kill it, but it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And killing a bug isn't selfish? You know that it could happen when you drive your car, but you still use your car so that you get from A to B. The bug dies a useless death, just like the drug-puppies.

So unless you can prove that they wanted to export dead puppies, you should be thrown on a windshield because you're all "eye for an eye".

EDIT: My point is that I see no reason at all that justifies torturing and/or killing a human being. No matter what they did. And "Eye for an eye" is one of the most stupid penalty-systems ever because of numerous reasons.

Fledermaus 02-04-2006 07:41 PM

Ah yes, so many things in this world are stupid, silly, and irrelevent. Thankfully, we have hip cats to point out the absurdity of it all. ;)

When it comes down to it, go by your own sense of right and wrong. Even if you aren't as eloquent, only you know what you believe and why you believe it. The stuff that gets spouted off here doesn't come from people who are any more worthy than you to make decisions. I can't tell you what you should believe -- I only hope you start asking questions.

Now then...

As I said before, I don't blame the farmers who grow the stuff. I blame the entire cycle of drugs -- idiots who squander their lives and their money. Gangs, druglords... Pity them? Help them? How much shall we invest into helping the "sick?" How much do we have to tolerate? Why should we let ourselves get raped by these kinds of people? What is it we owe them?

I've heard lots of reasonable individuals debate that the death penalty should not be outlawed because it costs more money to feed prisoners and keep them healthy and give them books and entertainment. Then I've heard it's more expensive to kill criminals because prisoners have to wait for a long time and there are more trials for some reason and the lethal injection costs lots of money to prepare. And most of the time, so I've heard, the wrong people are killed.

The greater problem it seems to me, is not the killing, but the judicial system. I've seen many fairly decent guys do time and have their whole lives scarred because they made tiny mistakes-- honestly had no idea they were doing something wrong. Often times, the accusors were jerks themselves who just wanted money and/or were backstabbing pricks (I have had several good friends suffer because of this.) Others who go to prison, released after one year, do the same old **** they did before, go back for a year, get released, go back, wash and repeat.


In the end, while we reason this all out with our superior intellect, at a safe distance from it all, puppies and kids in the ghetto get shot, raped, beaten, so controlled by drugs they wake up dead in the gutter.

Peanut 02-04-2006 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarky
I don't think they wanted to kill the dogs. They wanted them to live, because no one wants to import dead animals. If some died, it was an accident. Same goes for a bug on a windshield. You don't want to kill it, but it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And killing a bug isn't selfish? You know that it could happen when you drive your car, but you still use your car so that you get from A to B. The bug dies a useless death, just like the drug-puppies.

The point is you're comparing puppies and BUGS! Half the time you don't know they're there. I'm not walking out into the street and stepping on every ant I can see. They're small and insignificant. You take the whole "eye for an eye" thing waaaaay overboard, which is what you seem to do in most situations with all figures of speech. How could you possibly come to the conclusion that under the circumstances of "eye for an eye", someone who cuts open a dog to transport drugs and someone who accidently steps on an ant are equally worthy of the same punishment?

Anarky 02-04-2006 09:26 PM

So a bug is less alive than a dog? And blowing a life/death-scenario out of proportion seems kinda hard. Basically, you tell me that I should let you people threaten to torture and kill people and then saying "I did the right thing" without making them aware of the obvious fact that they're no better?

The columbians don't want the dogs to die, since nobody wants to import dead animals. If they should die, then it's an accident. Just like you trampling on an ant. Both animals were alive, both were killed by accident. Eye for an eye, you should be stomped to death.

Peanut 02-04-2006 10:30 PM

They cut up dogs to transport drugs! It doesn't matter if they didn't want them to die. What do you think they'd have done with the dogs once they needed to get the drugs back out? Give them to a nice family and let them live happily?

As for the whole "living creatures" thing. You, and anyone else for that matter, can go on thinking one life is just as important as another, but it isn't. Go ahead and think that. Be that niave, but there is more importance to the life of one being over another. No matter what anyone thinks, or what ethics and standards they stand for. Are you going to save the life of an ant or a puppy? Which one do you care about more? If you accidently run over an ant in your car, will you care? Be honest. You won't. You probably won't even know. What about if you hit a puppy? You'd probably be pretty tore up about it.

My point? All lives are not equal. The exception to the rule, of course, being human life. Which, I believe, should proceed all things, including animals. Unless that human lives a life of cruelty and disgust. Much like the ones who're cutting up puppies to export one of the many banes of human exsistance. If you're messed up enough to do something like that, you're of absolutley no use to mankind.

JameO 02-04-2006 10:37 PM

Yeah, I don't know, just gutting them and stuffing drugs in there and getting out, I dont think they want them to be loyal pets and just be fine, either way they deserve death. I don't care what anyone says, you commit a good enough crime, death penalty for you, it would scare people to not do stupid things. You think people would steal if they knew id be 25 to life, no way in hell. Death penalty should be brought to Canada, seeing how there is so many people in the Keele Center near by here in Toronto, where there is murderers and rapists that have multiple offenses, and they are guarded by two old police retired guards, aint that great, and they say, "don't try to escape from the windows, we leave the doors unlocked". Yeah thats great, you do the deed, pay for torture. I dislike the way the death penalty works, you kill a person and put their family through so much pain, you deserve torture beyond belief, every single thing, beaten, stabbed, lit on fire, drowned, the whole works, basically left as a vegetable, as they call them. Im not saying that if you hit someone in a car accident you deserve death, but if it's intentional, death will come to you!

Sewer Bull 02-05-2006 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JameO
You think people would steal if they knew id be 25 to life, no way in hell.

It doesn't work that way. When someone committs a crime, he doesn't take into consideration the possibility of being punished later on. He just... does it and hopes he will not be caught. He doesn't think like "CHRIST, I may f**k my whole life up if I steal or kill and they arrest me". He just tries not to be arrested. Simple.

Despite capital punishment, murders still occur, even in the U.S. or in the other countries that still allow that penalty.

Mecha Cow 02-05-2006 10:39 AM

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All lives are not equal.
All life is still valueable though. Not trying to start an argument or anything, just something that I feel needs to be added.

Anyway, I think we can all agree that hurting and abusing animals for your own purposes is disgusting; let's not argue about how these criminals should be punished. The authorities will deal with them.

Ra 02-05-2006 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow
Anyway, I think we can all agree that hurting and abusing animals for your own purposes is disgusting; let's not argue about how these criminals should be punished. The authorities will deal with them.

*applaudes* FINALLY! A voice of reason!

JameO 02-05-2006 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra
*applaudes* FINALLY! A voice of reason!

Thats the problem though, the authority doesnt know what they are doing, I don't believe in second chances if you commit a serious crime, you give up your right to live when you take someone elses.

Ra 02-06-2006 08:50 PM

I'll be frank - I don't really belive in second chances either, but right now everyone is going for each other's throats. Mecha is right about letting the authorities dealing with them. Sure, they may not know what they are doing, but they aren't exactly going to put them on death row or on trial without any hard core evidence to accuse them with or anything. They will find something to pin on them sooner or later. Besides, who are we into playing God? Or Osiris? Let them decide what fate awaits these guys

Besides, I hate it when people do things like this to animals. My outlook on this will just be one-sided. And I'm sure that will go for at least one other person as well. So please, let us not rip at each other's throats for thinking of a suitible punishment for these misrible drug-atticts. I've quoted this once and I'll quote it again -

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow
The authorities will deal with them


iris 02-06-2006 10:34 PM

Reading this thread, I find myself thanking heaven that nobody went on a puppy-torturing spree right before they had to pass the eigth ammendment. That's the one with the part banning cruel and unusual punishment, btw.

I don't think anyone would be reacting like this if the story were about kid goats instead of puppies. Nobody cares about goats; they're stinky and always try to eat your shirt, so obviously their lives are forfeit.

If you heartily disapprove of the treatment of animals in this story and yet you...
a) eat, use, wear, buy, or sell any mammal-derived product
b) use modern FDA-approved pharmaceuticals or vaccines
c) have purchased pups or similar pets from pet stores or other unaccredited outlets
... then I am afraid that you are probably a hypocrite.

I think that wanton animal abuse deserves punishment, but I'm not going to pretend moral outrage considering what we accept as a society. Especially considering the treatment that we accept for our own species. How can you expect people to be kind to animals when we can't even be kind to ourselves?


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