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Raph's Girl 03-13-2006 06:18 PM
Isaac Hayes digs South Park no longer
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/...le_isaac_hayes

Isaac Hayes has quit "South Park," where he voices Chef, saying he can no longer stomach its take on religion.

Hayes, who has played the ladies' man/school cook in the animated Comedy Central satire since 1997, said in a statement Monday that he feels a line has been crossed.

"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry towards religious beliefs of others begins," the 63-year-old soul singer and outspoken Scientologist said.

"Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored," he continued. "As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices."

"South Park" co-creator Matt Stone responded sharply in an interview with The Associated Press Monday, saying, "This is 100 percent having to do with his faith of Scientology... He has no problem — and he's cashed plenty of checks — with our show making fun of Christians."

Last November, "South Park" targeted the Church of Scientology and its celebrity followers, including actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta, in a top-rated episode called "Trapped in the Closet." In the episode, Stan, one of the show's four mischievous fourth graders, is hailed as a reluctant savior by Scientology leaders, while a cartoon Cruise locks himself in a closet and won't come out.

Stone told The AP he and co-creator Trey Parker "never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin."

Raph's Girl note: Stupid scientologist can't take a joke. :roll:

Anarky 03-13-2006 06:23 PM
Man, he's the Duke of New York! He doesn't need a reason. He should get those two into NY Max and then they'd be so dead. I mean, he even rules over the Crazies. You just wait Matt and Trey...

Seriously, I can understand when someone quits because they feel that it is too much. I mean, maybe he hasn't felt comfortable about the whole show for a while and Scientology was the last straw. Funny, how people only see the news without even thinking about possible backgrounds.

But then again, since everyone loves to jump to conclusions, so I jump on the bandwagon: Teh Ziantolodgy iz teh evuhl!!!1111

ZariusTwo 03-13-2006 06:28 PM
The bloody Mary was what I thought was the reason for his departure.

But no, its' Queerintology again

damnhooligan 03-13-2006 06:49 PM
I love that last line by Matt Stone. South Park has been blasting Christianity for years, and Hayes hasn't so much as batted an eye. He really ought to have the balls to come out and just plainly say "Hey, they made fun of my religion. Screw you guys, I'm going home."

GK Punk 03-13-2006 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by damnhooligan
I love that last line by Matt Stone. South Park has been blasting Christianity for years, and Hayes hasn't so much as batted an eye. He really ought to have the balls to come out and just plainly say "Hey, they made fun of my religion. Screw you guys, I'm going home."
That's basically what I was going to say.

iris 03-13-2006 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl
Raph's Girl note: Stupid scientologist can't take a joke. :roll:
Just because "everyone" makes fun of Scientology doesn't mean statements like this are OK.

KROW 03-13-2006 07:44 PM
When are people going to wise up and join the true religion: Jedi.

I don't think this is a real big loss to the show. They'll just get someone to replace him who can sing -- like Wayne Brady.

GK Punk 03-13-2006 07:47 PM
Then Wayne Brady will quit when they start making fun of white people.

HIYO!

KROW 03-13-2006 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kittie february6
Then Wayne Brady will quit when they start making fun of white people.

HIYO!
:lol:

Then after that I guess they'll have no choice than to call Tommy Davidson.

XERO 03-13-2006 08:21 PM
Or Dave Chappelle.

"I'm Chef, b*tch!"

Jester 03-13-2006 10:28 PM
Nice Benny. Last semester I did a little study of scientology, it's a hokey religion. All the stuff from that episode, the Story of Xenu, is pretty acurate...if you want more info on the weird religion that is scientology visit www.xenu.net.

GK Punk 03-13-2006 11:10 PM
Yeah that may be, but as you know Religeous discussion, especially the kind that talks down to a religeon we have to nip in the bud. Sorry guys. Try not to bash it.

iris 03-13-2006 11:10 PM
Edit: Eep! *salutes Kittie february6*

Krutch 03-14-2006 03:15 AM
Ehh... South Park was a fad I thought... I enjoyed the first few episodes but then it just got annoying... and each time its on it honestly gives me a headache.

Theres good timeless humour like Futurama and then theres Family Guy/South Park humour... which I find is really stupid. My girlfriend agrees. She cant take Family Guy anymore.

VaughnMichael 03-14-2006 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Benvenuto
Or Dave Chappelle.

"I'm Chef, b*tch!"
or some other black "comedian" who can't come up with any original material ahahahahahah:lol:

Jo269976 03-14-2006 06:21 AM
Great does this mean South Park will get cancelled? :x
probably to make way for some new lame show

Mecha Cow 03-14-2006 06:45 AM
I think it's quite hypocritical for a cast member of a show like South Park to resign because he was 'offended', like Stone already mentioned. Still, it's a shame to see Chef leave. I wonder what they'll do with the character.

VaughnMichael 03-14-2006 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow
I think it's quite hypocritical for a cast member of a show like South Park to resign because he was 'offended', like Stone already mentioned. Still, it's a shame to see Chef leave. I wonder what they'll do with the character.
the same thing they've been doing with his character on the show for the past 3 or so years now...nothing hahaha :lol: no big loss at all...
I mean most of the time Chef was on the show anyways what did he say "hello children" even if it was just one kid there like cartman...I mean I know cartmans fat and all but that's so a sound clip it's not funny haha...can we say disposable I think we can.:lol:

Jed 03-14-2006 08:57 AM
They'll probably turn it into a joke that everytime he goes to talk he's interupted.

Dr. Doom 03-14-2006 08:59 AM
This isn't very good news. But frankly, he hasn't even been on the show in several seasons. It's almost as though we'd been prepared for such an event.

It's very easy to look at what South Park does as immature, but I've always found the show to be incredibly smart in it's perspective on the world. If you look past all the toilet humor and your racism, making fun of religion, sexual preference, mentally and physically handicapped, alla that stuff..... a lot of episodes actually have something relevant to say.

Barkworm 03-14-2006 09:02 AM
I don't know, to me it always seemed like South Park breaks taboes just for the sake of breaking them and that's just not what satire is about.
Anyway, Isaac Hayes is a hypocrite.

Anarky 03-14-2006 09:24 AM
I'm still wondering how you people can say that he's a hypocrite. Have you never had a job you didn't like and then one thing occured which was your personal last straw? Like me and the TMNT-overanalyzing. I have watched it for quite some time, then I was finally fed up and I said something. It wasn't like I was pissed that instant and decided that I need to say something that instant.

I mean, there's an infinite number of possible reasons, of possible stories behind that short bit of news. And I seriously wonder how you all can be so shortsighted.

Mecha Cow 03-14-2006 09:46 AM
He is a hypocrite because he has no problem with making fun of other people's religions, but when the same happens to him he acts like a b*tch and quits.

You didn't read the article, did you? Because it's right there. But thanks for calling me short-sighted.

Anarky 03-14-2006 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow
He is a hypocrite because he has no problem with making fun of other people's religions, but when the same happens to him he acts like a b*tch and quits.
So you've been talking to him before and he said that it was fun to make fun of everybody else? Or do you know of a more detailed report?

What you've got up there is a "word against word"-article, without any proof and/or further explanation. It's a fact plus two statements. I wonder where you see a background there. And the mentionning of scientology doesn't add anything of value. It gives you a possibility, not a fact.

Sewer Bull 03-14-2006 11:14 AM
We could presume that he was kinda "enlightened" after having been offended and understood that bashing any other religion was wrong as well.

That's a safe assumption and should suit everyone here.

damnhooligan 03-14-2006 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarky
I'm still wondering how you people can say that he's a hypocrite. Have you never had a job you didn't like and then one thing occured which was your personal last straw? Like me and the TMNT-overanalyzing. I have watched it for quite some time, then I was finally fed up and I said something. It wasn't like I was pissed that instant and decided that I need to say something that instant.
I wouldn't call him a hypocrit simply because he doesn't want to work there anymore and quits. If he didn't like working there, they I applaud him for leaving. But I would call him a hypocrit because he's blaming his leaving because he "cannot support a show that disrespects [people's] beliefs and practices" when he's been on the show for 9 years and it's no more religiously offensive now than it always has been. Satan and Jesus Christ make regular appearances. An episode on 2001 featured Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Moses and a couple others fight a cult-created giant statue of Abraham Lincoln. Cartman constantly rails on Kyle because he's Jewish. The list goes on.

I suspect all the recent controversy surrounding the "Trapped in the Closet" and "Bloody Mary" episodes was what prompted him to call it quits. If only he would have the balls to admit it.

Mecha Cow 03-14-2006 12:08 PM
Ugh...

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So you've been talking to him before and he said that it was fun to make fun of everybody else?
South Park is a show that makes fun of everyone and everything. Since Mr. Hayes has been a cast member on the show for the past nine years, one could assume that he supports this.

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Or do you know of a more detailed report?
Yes, the article linked to in the very first post of this thread.

Quote:
What you've got up there is a "word against word"-article, without any proof and/or further explanation. It's a fact plus two statements. I wonder where you see a background there. And the mentionning of scientology doesn't add anything of value. It gives you a possibility, not a fact.
Buddy, your facts are right there. Hayes says he thinks it's innapropriate for the show to make fun of people's religion, and that's why he left. There's a direct quote in the article. Yet for years he has actively been part of this very mockery, without any complaints. But now that the show has targeted his own religion, suddenly he complains and leaves. He is blaming people for something he has done multiple times himself in the recent past. This makes him a hypocrite. Get it?

I really don't understand why you insist on turning everything into an argument.

Anarky 03-14-2006 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow
Buddy, your facts are right there. Hayes says he thinks it's innapropriate for the show to make fun of people's religion, and that's why he left. There's a direct quote in the article. Yet for years he has actively been part of this very mockery, without any complaints. But now that the show has targeted his own religion, suddenly he complains and leaves. He is blaming people for something he has done multiple times himself in the recent past. This makes him a hypocrite. Get it?

I really don't understand why you insist on turning everything into an argument.
What facts? Neither Parker nor Hayes mention Scientology in their statements. The only people who mention that church are the press. And the press probably have only those two statements and they construct a story around it. I mean, I could write an article that would make you look like a hypocrite, based on the model of the Hayes-article.

It's not an argument I try to create, it's about not jumping to conclusions and being shortsighted.

Sewer Bull 03-14-2006 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarky
What facts? Neither Parker nor Hayes mention Scientology in their statements. The only people who mention that church are the press.
...and Matt Stone who seems to speak on behalf of Parker as well.

Anarky 03-14-2006 12:39 PM
Indeed, but is Stone the one to know the exact reasons for the quitting of Hayes? It would need to be Hayes to mention Scientology to allow people to call him a hypocrite. Matt Parker and Trey Stone could mention whatever they want, fact is, that Isaac Hayes quit and that he is the one who should explain. Everything he doesn't explain, will never be explained and doesn't justify people calling him a hypocrite.

Barkworm 03-14-2006 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by damnhooligan
I wouldn't call him a hypocrit simply because he doesn't want to work there anymore and quits. If he didn't like working there, they I applaud him for leaving. But I would call him a hypocrit because he's blaming his leaving because he "cannot support a show that disrespects [people's] beliefs and practices" when he's been on the show for 9 years and it's no more religiously offensive now than it always has been. Satan and Jesus Christ make regular appearances. An episode on 2001 featured Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Moses and a couple others fight a cult-created giant statue of Abraham Lincoln. Cartman constantly rails on Kyle because he's Jewish. The list goes on.

I suspect all the recent controversy surrounding the "Trapped in the Closet" and "Bloody Mary" episodes was what prompted him to call it quits. If only he would have the balls to admit it.
Amen to everything.

Sewer Bull 03-14-2006 01:01 PM
Your attitude is very noble and you may be right, but try to pay attention to one rather petty fact.

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"Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored," he [Isaac Hayes] continued. "As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices."
Right.... so the guy has fought for the past 40 years for tolerance and civil rights. He had been fighting form them for about 30 years before he was employed as a voice actor in "South Park"... and spent nine years with that crew, knowing what he participates in.

Maybe life forced him to take that job and work there for nine long years. Maybe.

ZariusTwo 03-14-2006 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarky
Everything he doesn't explain, will never be explained and doesn't justify people calling him a hypocrite.
Thats' plain bulls*it, just because somebody does'nt neccersarily confirm something himself does'nt mean that whatever the reason behind his departure is invalid throgh other sources, Hulk Hogan has said a bunch of things in his life that are in effect, total lies, and backed up a billion peoples' other accounts

Matt and Trey are pretty honest guys, they have nothing to hide, so why protect Hayes and make them out to be liars? In any event, they've always been two of the most accurate people in the industry, and South Park displays that.

Anarky 03-14-2006 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo
Matt and Trey are pretty honest guys, they have nothing to hide, so why protect Hayes and make them out to be liars? In any event, they've always been two of the most accurate people in the industry, and South Park displays that.
I am not protecting Hayes. I guess what I'm trying to say is something like "in dubio pro reo" or "innocent until proven guilty". Parker and Stone are totally irrelevant when it comes to honesty or not. What matters is that Hayes himself didn't mention Scientology so every connection to the curch is an assumed one and can't be seen as fact.

Fact is, that the article we all got to read is obviously aimed at making Scientology look bad and mark Hayes as a hypocrite. But, there's too many things we don't know to be able to make a fair judgement of the situation.

But since most people decide to follow propaganda (and yes, that article is indeed propaganda) blindly and remain as stupid as the media wants them to be, I will most likely lose this debate, because people just don't want to listen.

Mecha Cow 03-14-2006 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarky
Everything he doesn't explain, will never be explained and doesn't justify people calling him a hypocrite.
He did explain.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry towards religious beliefs of others begins," the 63-year-old soul singer and outspoken Scientologist said.

"Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored," he continued. "As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices."
It has nothing to do with whether he is a Scientologist or not. Were he a Christian, Muslam, Buddhist or whatever else, it wouldn't change that he'd be a hypocrite.

Barkworm 03-14-2006 02:30 PM
Let's just agree to disagree, this debate is obviously not going anywhere.

VaughnMichael 03-14-2006 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarky
Fact is, that the article we all got to read is obviously aimed at making Scientology look bad and mark Hayes as a hypocrite. But, there's too many things we don't know to be able to make a fair judgement of the situation.
we don't need an article to do that tom cruise makes the scientologists look crazy as it is...lol :lol:
also may I add if you lived in los angeles like the two of them do as well as myself you would know how they are all over the streets spouting out this and that trying to convert people into scientologists....it's quite annoying...
it's almost as annoying as the homless asking for money every 5 minutes.:dead:
-Putrescent

Dr. Doom 03-14-2006 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Barkworm
I don't know, to me it always seemed like South Park breaks taboes just for the sake of breaking them and that's just not what satire is about.
Anyway, Isaac Hayes is a hypocrite.
I'll definately give you that it's not the most sattirical peice of media anyone's ever seen....Not EVERY episode has something to say. But there are some.

Duke 03-14-2006 09:35 PM
I just watched the episode of South Park about scientology and I'm just wondering how accurate it is?

Jester 03-14-2006 10:29 PM
I wish I could remember what isn't. The story of Xenu is pretty accurate. They believe that he druged abunch of people and then placed their unconcious bodys at the foot of volcanos, then forced them to erupt, killing them and spreading their spirits around. then Xenu colected them up and showed them 3D movies to convince them of who they were in the past. Those who saw the same movie kind came together. the clusters of spirits are called Cluster thetans and in scientology theses spirits have to be "cleared" from you're body thetan inorder to be free from all inhabitions and ills and achieve a state of psudo-diety upon your seperation from your body. In fact, Scientologists believe that L. Ron Hubbard didn't die, but was released from his body to futher his research.

Of course...you don't hear about this until you are a higher up in Scientology, an OT (Operating Thetan) 3 and above.

EDIT: Here's the whole story:
Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Ron Hubbard
Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack. Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan. Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers). These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed. The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper). After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting". When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies. As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.


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