Which Turtle's Death Would Have The Biggest Impact?
 

Venus DeMilo.

hahaha, Venus was a mistake

Anyway I would go with the obvious choice... Leonardo. Leader goes down = chaos. Though I do think that any fallen turtle = the demise of the remaining turtles. They need each other and I think the 2k3 does a better job showing this relationship.

ya the movies do a good job as well though.

Donatello, I say. Anyone's death would leave the rest of Hamato family in terrible grief and sorrow but it is Mr. "Can-Construct-Everything" who provides the clever gimmicks able to defeat the meaniest creatures... watch SAINW to see what could have happened without him aboard.

i voted don cause hes my favorite turtle...if something happend to him i'd be upset almost as upset if I saw splinter or april die in the old show...actully I think I saw any of the humans hurt in the old show it would have shocked me allot.

I have to say that I concur with Sewer Bull and Putrescent. Don's death would have the gravest impact on the others. We saw what his monstrous mutation did to them in the last few episodes of this past season.

Without his technical and scientific expertise, they're just a gang of thugs. Sure, they're the good guys, but they're still just thugs. :)

~Alouicious

Hey!?that was my line! :lol:

It's kinda a hard choice for me...
I'm debating between Leo and Don.

Here's the thing...

If the TMNT never had to deal with another threat again and live peaceful lives, I'd say it would be Don because he's the one who makes their lives more comfortable with his mechanical skills. With no Don means they'ed live like cave dwellers with really nothing sophisticated beyond a fork.

But if they had to keep fighting their whole lives, I'd say it's Leo because he's really the one who vastly helps keep the rest of the boys alive. Leo's superior skills & abilities, strategy & tactics, and warrior spirit definetly gives the TMNT the edge to beat the odds. With him out of the picture, the rest would soon get killed off as well one by one.

Since it's likely the TMNT would have to keep fighting their whole lives, I picked Leo to be the one who would leave the greatest impact if he was gone for good.

No votes for Raphael so far.

"Fine! Go ahead! We don't need ya!"

It's kinda obvious. Leo's death would definitely have the biggest impact on them as a "team." They'd have no direction anymore.

I agree that it's a toss up between Leo and Donnie. Leonardo because he leads, and Donatello cause he does machines. (Sorry I just had to...:P) But I also have to go back ot the ole' "Live as a team, die as a team" thought process.

I suppose Leo's death would be a much bigger impact, remember the episode in the new TMNT cartoon where he was close to "death" they were all in panic, but Mikey's death would be big also cause he's basically "bringer upper" (he makes everyone laugh when they're down) of the team, so without him they'd all be miserable, but i go with Leo

how was venus a mistake?

That assumes, though, that none of the others can fill Leo's shoes. The learning curve would likely be steep, but nothing compared to what would be required to replace Donatello.

Sure, Leo's arguably the most skilled of the brothers and is an effective leader, but how many times in the current series alone has Don (or a combo of Don/April or Don/Fugitoid) solved major crises, or enabled them to escape disaster?

Don is an integral part of the team because he's got both brains and brawn. The others have instinct and skill, but they're essentially helpless against the tech/biotech menaces they've faced throughout the run of the show. He's also irreplaceable because, and I think most people will agree, Don's understanding of tech is intuitive. That kind of knowledge will trump any crash-course in mechanics or computer programming that the others could possibly get.

However, I just want to say I agree that if any of them go down, the rest are likely to follow in short order, or be scattered (as we saw in "Same as it Never Was").

~Alouicious

I think this thread brings into the question which one of the turtles is most important to the team dynamic of the clan that the turtles are in. In ohher words which turtles absence would dilver the most devistating blow to the teams opretions?

Which turtle has the biggest contributions to the team?

I think it goes:

1. Donatello and Leonardo are tied because they are the skill, and brain behind the team...(and for reasons others have already mentioned). Both absences would have devestating affects to the team.

2. Raphael, because he is a fine warrior and his skilled (in my opinion) almost as much as Leonardo, and has great physical prowess. He Also seems able to pull situtions that normally look hopless out of the fire. Plus he is (recently) become rather reliable and authoritve. Raphs absence would have a blow to the team dynamic and how it functions pretty strongly.

3. Sadly I think as far as contribution to the team dynamic and how important he is to the team over all, I think Mikey's absence would hold the least impact to the team dynamic, since he doesn't contribute very much skill or intelliect to the team that any of the other turtles couldn't compensate for with their own skills and know how. As a Warrior he only occassinally stands out and he doesn't seem to have personal skills or that signifcatly contribute to the team. Save being a diversion at times. Although reliable he kinda just makes up the numbers.

Venus was a bad idea IMO. 4 Turtles is perfect.

Amen to that!

Death to all fifth turtles.

What about Benny? We love Benny.

Yeeeeeaaaah, that would be a smart move, kill off one of the Turtles. Peter Laird's just gonna wake up one day and say, I know what'll make this new movie great, let's stray completley away from the comics and kill off one of the TMNT, not only pissing off every fan and scaring young viewers, but also kill off any chance for sequals.

But in any case, I would imagine if Peter did(which he wont), it would probably be Raph, and I would think him going out saving the others, making him a hero.

I think they'd all have equal impacts-- I mean, Same As It Never Was was really painful to watch all the way through for that very reason.

How would you feel if any loved one died? I think the saddest death would be Mikey just because he's light-hearted. Those are always the worst characters to watch die (think Blue Beetle).

---Josh

Forget about the biggest impact. Which turtle is the least needed on the team? Leo's leadership and Don's Genius and ideas are needed. So it boils down between Mikey and Raph Who could to team tolerate most between Raph's stupity of being a Hot head or Mike's Jokey jokes and sense of Humor? I would say the team is better off wit Mike than Raph. Raph is gets into it with most of the turtles especially Leonardo. He is filled wit too much jealousy. Othe rthan that mikey is a better fighter than Raph, Especially in the new turtle series.

when I made my post I wasn't refereing to if one of the turtles died, but which turtle would have the biggest blow to the team and how it functions if one of them wasn't around for ever reason. And I choose Leonardo and Donatello because there absence would definately have a big affect on the team.

I would have to disagree, Raphael is very important to the team and contributes to how it functions. This last past season he has grown and has proven that he can reign in his temper and stay reletively cool headed in a chaotic situation and even briefly take up the reigns of leadership if he had to. The episode where Karai destroys the lair proves this. He is also as of late not as sulky or immature as he was in the start of the series, and no longer goes off in a huff as much like he once did. That is allot of progrssion on his character I think. He is very important to the team, perhaps not to the degree as Don or Leo, but he at least is contributes a bit more skills than Mikey, at this point. So I have to say, as far as right now, Raphs absence from the team would hold a bigger impact to the team dynamic that Mikey's absence would.

Oh and Raphael is not dumb. :)

Ah. Man, I need to see this season.

I dunno, with any member missing they wouldn't be whole. But they have functioned at points in time without Raph, or without Leo, and it was never that easy for them. I would say either of those two.

---Josh

I can't totally agree with that. There's alot more to Leo than what you seem to see. There's so much variaty of skills that Leo has developed and honed that I can't see any of the others being able to eaqually achieve.

Sure, it would take several years of specific courses in a University to acheive what Don has achieved. But it would also take several years of military and survival training to achieve what Leo has achieved.


I totally agree with that. But I think that most can also agree that Leo's leadership skills, martial arts skills, and strategy and tactics skills are pretty intuitive as well.


I'm not saying that Leo is better than Don. I think they're both eaqually very important in their own way. But I did feel that you didn't give Leo's abilities much credit.






Oh! Btw, welcome back, Space Lieutenant Josh! It's been so long since I've seen you here!

Raph could never take up the reigns of leadership. Donny would be the better choice before Raph. And let me remind ya that Mikey defeated Raph in the casey Jones episode and the Battle Nexus episode.

I'll just say like everybody. Leo and don. Both saved the turtles ALOT of times. When technologies are in the fight, Don just always know what to do wich is sometimes bit weird... and I insist on always know rarely have we seen don caught up not knowing what was going on and how to destroy it. Wich in my opinion is bit too smart. But its true that he is a little genius.

As for leo, well we all know and saw what he was able to do. When there are no technologies, he's the leader and he organize the turtles. Even if there are technologies involved, he will come up with a plan and all.

So all that to say that they are the ''most important'' turtles.

But like I said, kill one, kill'em all.

Amen. Raph's always the turtle who has the other turtles backs. When a turtle is being snuck up upon, Raph's always there to scream "Look out!" or "Behind you!" then jumping to the rescue. No turtle is an island, and none of them is non-essential. They all play a part. Like the old toon said, "Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines." Raphael is a hot head with a heart of gold, who's always there to help a brother out. Michelangelo is a "party dude" and the life of the team. Now there's a group of fan-fics or episodes..."What would the team do without..." We have "Same as it Never Was" so we know how the team fairs with out the Brain, but what about without the Leader, or without the Heart, or without the Muscle?

As far as taking over for leadership, yeah, Don would probably be the best choice. Mike probably couldn't lead just because he doesn't have that type of personality or mentality.

Don't underestimate Raph, though. If he did some serious growing up, he might be a good leader. Mike beat him in those two episodes because he really got Raph's goat (and because he knew Raph's weaknesses so well). In a battle situation, Raph is a little bit stronger than Mikey. Plus, he's interested in the same things as Leo, so while he could never totally fill in (because he's never really commanded the others' respect the way Leo automatically can), if he absolutely had to, he might do a decent job.

Probably if Leo left the team, the other three would all realize they needed to grow up, and they'd each step up and contribute a little more to the team.

This is all very funny cuz I just watched that episode of the OS yesterday where each turtle takes turns leading when Leo quits.

It's great to see you too, Ryona!

---Josh

i agree that all 4 is essential in their own way.
saying that, if i had to choose...i would say Mikey. I think what would wreak the team more is the emotional pain, not the physical. they all think of mikey as their baby brother and their heart, so how u think it'd be when baby bro is gone and the heart is taken out?

Don has no desire to lead. He is capable, yes, but he really doesn't want it. He steps up when he feels he's the only one for the job. He would defer to any of his brothers before taking the reins. I think that, apart from Leo, Raph would make the best leader. He would rely on Don's calculating talents more than Leo (who has his own), but he has a fierce protective streak and is willing to take action when needed. Impulsiveness is a major thing to contend with, but I think Raph knows that. ;) Mikey is not leadership material, and I don't think I want him to be.

Oh, but the question of whose death would have the most impact... that is difficult to say, because I think they all contribute in a major way. I will guess... in the short-term: Leo, in the mid-term: Don, and in the long-term: Mikey. Raph, as always, is a wildcard.

mikey beat Raph because he was the better fighter plain and simple. Weather Mikey knew a weakness or not. And I still do not see raph as a leader ever.

My oh my, ain't we a little Raph hater? :roll:

Donatello
 

Even though Leonardo always has, still is and always will be my favorite Turtle.
I have to admit to Donnie's importance on this one,
Anyone else besides him, the Turtles, i think could "wing-it"
,but Donnie takes care of the turtles' security, transportation... etc.
His loss would definatly have the biggest impact on the team as a whole in the long run... even though if one of the other turtles were gone they would have certain problems here and there.
Donnie would really be the one who affects them the longest.

valid statement, my man!

Ok I'll stray from better fighting skills but nothing will convince me that raph is a capable leader.