Michael Richards (kramer) comedy club incident
 

If you heard of Micheal Richards incident at the comedy club where he was heckled and he was yelling, I found the video on youtube where he was doing it.

Warning: This video will contain course langage and stupidity.. Viewers discrection is advise..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEUIZsmTOE

Also, i found the video from a late night show where he aplogizes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3l-gRHjUNk


This is wrong. Considering I had no idea where to put this topic, I put it in tv cuz he was on tv lol.

Jesus. Out of control! I still lol'd though. I liked how the guy he was arguing with was saying it was all un-called for, while spouting racial comments of his own. Quite funny.

Yeah, but to be honest how many white people are overly offended by the phrases "cracker" or "honky". You can't honestly say those words have the same bite as the one Richards used.

Why does it matter? It's a racial slur, isn't it? As far as I'm concerned, the words he were using are used so much in common speech these days that it hardly constitutes as a huge racial remark anymore.

I think Patrice O'Neil said the same thing, or at least something similar...I'm really not sure how I feel. If the situation had been reversed where a black comic lost it and hurled racial slurs at a pair of white hecklers, would it be news?

He's being attacked because he picked out a person in particular and went to town. George Carlin has said sh*t that beats that little tantrum by a factor of ten, but nobody cares because he's always referring to people in general.

Remember when they mention how Richards never been in any movies but Seinfeld.

Well they are wrong lol.

1980 Fridays TV Series
1982 Faerie Tale Theatre (TV) .... King Geoffrey, Vince
1982 Young Doctors in Love .... Malamud Callahan
1983 Herndon TV Series .... Dr. Herndon P. Stool
1984 The House of God .... Dr. Pinkus
1985 Transylvania 6-5000 .... Fejos
1986 Whoops Apocalypse .... Lacrobat
1986 Fresno (mini) TV Series .... 2nd Henchman
1987 Jonathan Winters: On the Ledge
1989 UHF .... Stanley Spadowski
1989 Seinfeld (TV) .... Cosmo Kramer
1990 Problem Child .... Martin Beck
1993 Coneheads .... Motel Clerk
1993 So I Married an Axe Murderer .... Newspaper reporter
1994 Airheads .... Doug Beech
1995 Unstrung Heroes .... Danny Lidz
1996 Ellen's Energy Adventure (uncredited) .... Caveman discovering fire
1996 London Suite (TV) .... Mark Ferris
1997 Redux Riding Hood (voice) .... The Wolf
1997 Trial and Error .... Richard 'Ricky' Rietti
2000 The Michael Richards Show TV Series .... Vic Nardozza
2000 David Copperfield (TV) .... Mr. Wilkins Micawber
2008 Cat Tale (pre-production) (voice) .... Ace

If you want to learn more about him, click on the link to teh page. It mentions the story of his outburst and etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Richards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjqCmtKHfR4

:lol:

I think... Ok, how to put this...

Yes, the words he used are more commonly heard in today's society. But, it isn't so much about the word he used as much as HOW he used it. He used it in the most hurtful and vile way that he could. He meant for it to hurt.

I think it's not so much about WHAT the words are that we use towards people, as much as HOW we use words towards people.

Um, does that make sense to anyone but me? Heh. I could try and explain better.

There goes a childhood hero. What a piece of sh*t...

Now that was funny how seinfeld theme is played.. Nicely good linky.

I love him as Kramer but I don't think it will change when I watch Seinfeld.. Will it?

I dunna...I own and love UHF. (I need to replace it because it's pretty scratched up) I wonder what Al thinks of his pal Stanley Spadowski's rant.

Michael Richards needs to drink FROM THE FIRE HOSE!!!

:P
He certainly dared to be stupid.

Is there a double standard when it comes to racial slurs when a white person says something vs a black person? Absolutely. Is that right? Probably not. Is it right that some black people use that word so freely yet still react when a white person does? Again, probably not. But the history of that word in regards to white people using it is so vile and disgusting that I can think of no other word that could be worse for a white person to say, at least here in America. If you are white, you should not ever, ever use that word. Simple as that. Again, there is a double standard. But right or wrong, thats the way it is. In almost every circumstance if you use that word, and esp. in the way he used it, you are a racist. So IMO, kramer is a racist. And its disgusting....

you know I hear that word Micheal used at his anger on unreal tounrment 2004 by a few guys and I wonder why people even use the word? It's wrong amd immoral.

It's almost seems as if this was part of his act and he was trying (and failing miserably) to be funny. Either way, it's completely uncalled for. What the hell, Kramer.

And I wanted to say that someone who uses the N-word isn't neccesarily a racist, but could just be looking for something to hurt another person with (which still doesn't justify it at all), but no, after watching this video he does come off as a racist piece of sh*t.

Oh well, I don't care about him enough to let this affect my enjoyment of Seinfeld.

Video of Kramer's apology (this is very racist of me O NOES).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjnm8fzRExc&eurl=

We should really try to avoid letting an arrangement of letters and a series of grunting noises produced by our vocal chords get us so enflammed and upset. Really, people get shot and killed over the use of this word. And what for? It only has as much meaning or significance as we give to it. All we're doing by stigmatizing the use of this word is giving it more and more power...

I don't even think he's racist but for someone who performs on stage every day flipping out like that is completely pathetic.

That's pretty much exactly what I think of the whole thing.

Hey, Kramer is a fictional character. He had nothing to do with this. MICHAEL RICHARDS is the one who got out of line.

But they look exactly the same, how do you explain that?

There's no doubt that it was very racist and wrong what Richards said. He should have used better judgement. I think it's time for the news media to stop talking about this though. There's only so much that can be said about this.

I am also not going to let this affect my enjoyment of Seinfeld.

I got identical twin sisters who look exactly the same but their not the same person :P

No, seriously, this is REAL life, Kramer doesn't exist in real life (Duh).

ALl I can say is first I was bitterly depressed when I heard this. Then I got angry at BOTH Mr. Richards and those hecklers. Now, they said they were celebrating their friend's birthday. Given there age, they must've been drunk or unruly for any other reason. Now, Mikey was nothing more than P'o'D to a major extreme and said that ONLY to get them angry. Should he have said that? NO! Could he have avoided it? Yes. But it happened. He appologized up and down Hollywood. Was it forced, did he feel guilty? I dunno. But then the hecklers demanding money and getting Gloria Allred was REALLY uncalled for. I bet they use the N-Word to each other as a term of endearment. You know what I mean.

Now, since it's a celebrity, we'll trot out the pathetic, "Racism is still alive and well" crap. It is? I didn't notice! I kinda forgot until a B-list celebrity with anger management issues trying to get his life back on track uttered the N word. And once again, it's only white people that are racist! WOW! I'm shocked. I guess what's happening in Israel is a fraternity prank gone too far.

And do you know what the worst part is? Now, they're blaming Seinfeld! They say because the show has no regular black people in it, it's racist! I mean, I had a feeling it was coming. But, seriously... is there anyway to intergrate a non-white into a white sitcom without said character being either a Token with no personality or a stereotype with too much personality?

I don't want to get the "You're a bitter cynic" responses, but EVERYONE is a little bit racist. You either exclude them or single them out by including them. It's not a black and white issue (no pun intended) but all shades of grey! How can you make someone feel welcome without feeling singled out? That's the problem everyone has to face. Not just whites!

BTW, should it bother me that I'm white and the term "Cracker" doesn't bother me one bit?

"******" is wrong, and "Cracker" is wrong.

Am I going to follow along with this bandwagon and say that the Michael is the only one at fault? I'm not afraid to say it: They were both out of line. I've got my apology from Michael Richards, but those asshole hecklers haven't said anything to apologize yet.


Edit:
Hey, why is "******" censored while "cracker" isn't?

Look, stand up comedy is very personal and interactive...its not like a play or even a concert...its you up on an island trying to make people laugh...and sometimes, you're just not funny...comedians get heckled ALL THE TIME...top it off with him being a celebrity, im sure he hears all kinda of crap all the time...so were the hecklers wrong? maybe, but when a comedian sux, he's gonna hear it - thats the nature of the biz...

He's a racist, its as simple as that..

And the N-word is cencorsed and not cracker, whitey, spic, etc. because of how utterly attrocious and despicable a word it is when it comes from a white man when viewed in regards to history (as it always is when a white man says it)....a white man saying N is never a good thing; its never used endearingly....double standard becuase black people use it? yep, but thats how it is....there is just a an unsaid "understanding" that black people can use it and white people can't...white people "just know" that they shouldn't be thinking about the N word, much less speaking it out loud, because they will be seen as a racist...im not saying thats right, its just how it is here in America, with no forseeable change in sight...

Racism is funny, in my opinion if your offended by things like this your not only extremely immature but you fit that stereotype. Everyone I have ever seen who is offended by racial slurs totally fits the stereotype of what that word means.

You call someone a racial slur where I work we just laugh. We make jokes all the time like that. It's all in good fun. They call me a Nazi sometimes just because I'm white. Do I fly off the handle and go whine about it? No I chuckle. We have a black guy who people always make slave jokes about. And sometimes when he's told to do something he says "Yes Massa!" haha funny stuff.

Racism is immature and a part of life. Any sense able adult would either laugh at it in good humor or if it was serious*Like this case* Ignore it and not make a public ordeal about it.

LOL! WTF!?!

:D Whoa! Check this out:
*Warning: Strong Language*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRpKj5zXtes

Ever heard of these? :P Words that have more than one common meaning cannot be filtered, because it's impossible for the forum software to know in which context they are being used. That doesn't mean that those words are any less discouraged, though.

But see, the problem happens when people BELIEVE those stereotypes and use those words to hurt people. People that use racial slurs do so to make themselves feel superior.

I'm half white and half Choctaw indian. You think I like it and can just laugh it off when someone asks me where my casino is...or tells me to get back on the reservation? It makes me mad, first...then I feel sad for the ignorance that person shows.

And truthfully, some Choctaw I interact with are just as bad. They have their own words for people like me that are mixed.

People naturally fear things that are different or out of their comfort zone. As long as there are peopl, there will be problems like this.

"Honky" and "whitey" are not censored, but I haven't heard any other uses of those words.

Of all of the racial slurs out there, there is only that one that is censored in most cases. The double standard isn't that white people can't use words while black people can, the double-standard is that it is culturally acceptable for a black person to be racist, and a white person will get dragged through the mud for it. Sounds like somebody has their cake, and is eating it too.

And I agree: No forseeable change in sight, because no white people are saying anything about it. All racial slurs are wrong, it's time to stop treating the issue with baby-gloves. Black people should not be allowed special privelages and rights because their ancestors were mistreated. That's like me saying to you,

"Your great-grandfather was beaten to death, that's why now it's acceptable for you to be mean and offensive to everybody, dispite the fact that you were never acutally harmed. It's our little way of saying 'Sorry'."

I am sure that there are plenty of people that will agree with me, including plenty of black people, when I say "Racism is racism, and racism is wrong."

it's not just that a person's ANCESTORS were mistreated....that is still alive and well today. People do it unconsciously and I think white people in particular find it easy to not see what is happening and assume things are ok because it is easy to ignore it....or become desensitized because you only see it on TV or in the movies. In actuality...out of suburbia...people deal with these things daily. I know I do.

I admit, I am in a unique position...if you were to see me in real life, you might see me and think white...or hispanic (I get that alot because most people do not think native american) I get some flack from white people and from other communities as well.

yeah it's wrong....but like i said before...as long as people fear differences...whether consciously or unconsciously, society has a problem.

Funny thing. I actually have that problem on another forum. You see, as we all know there is a word/name that can mean a shortened version of Richard or can be used as a derrogatory term for a male's anatomy. You know what it is, so I want get into it too much. Because of the fear of using the negative word, it's been censored, so there's trouble trying to say that word as someone's name.

That's what I've been trying to say. They're both wrong. And as it turns out, Mikey has a history of bad temper as of late. But while him saying what he said wasn't justifyable, it doesn't make him the next Hitler either. I agree it's a double standard. If said comedian were black and said "Cracker" or something to one of his hecklers, he'da gotten a TV show by now. I mean, I LOVE Chris Rock and all, and he has talent when he does this, since he pokes fun at all sides. I'm talking someone really untallented.

I mean, if you blatantly say that to someone to be offensive, and you were taught to hate people of different colors from your old man, who passed down his hatrid from the Civil war (mainly because they had to pick their own damn cotton), that's racism.

Problem is, a lot of people become racists because something deeply wrong happened in their lives, and they blame other races for their problems.

Look at the Mexican xenophobia that Outsourcing and that whole "illegal Immagrant" debacle produced. Greedy companies want to go around the basic rights of laborors and bus in some people and basically use them as slaves, and all the sudden, it's all the Mexicans' fault. No! It's the greedy industrialites. But then, somehow people think that if they feel what big business is doing is wrong, that's communism. So, basically the blame gets shifted to the hard working people who want to be citizens, but have a hard time.

And all the while, people are whining about Mikey being racist because:

1. He said the N-word a few times out of blind rage because he wanted Hecklers to shut up.
2. He may or may not have appeared in black face in a forgotten movie no one cared about until now.
3. There were no Black people on Seinfeld, dispite the fact that when there were, the actually interacted with Kramer.
4. And he may or maynot have said something Anti-Semetic, as implied by someone getting on the "Let's get free money" band wagon, who mysteriously didn't report it until he found there was money to be had. Also, the dude DID work for Seinfeld, who WAS Jewish!

But as long as a celebrity was caught saying it, it's the worst thing in the entire world that ever happened. WOW! Never mind the KKK or the Black Panthers, or any other hatemongering organization. A B-List celebrity who hasn't worked since 2001 who's trying to get his life back together said it out of anger.

We DEMAND an appology! Wait, he appologized a million times already, and he actually feels horrible? Not good enough. I'm sure someone who hasn't worked in forever has a crap load of money we can take. We actually weren't REALLY offended, but whatever gets us 15 minutes of fame, right?

If I went to a Chris Rock show, and I acted offended by his failed jokes, would he appologize on national TV for it?

I'd like to quote Dennis Miller when I say:

I don't think any white person has even been truly offended by words like "cracker", "honkey", or "whitey".

Dude, you can't say 'white'.

'European American'.

Pigment challenged :P

Yeah, Richards should have apologized, but at the same time they should not have been heckling. You don't pay to see an act so that you can heckle. You pay to see the show. They should have shown him more respect than that.