Anyone Worried TMNT Will Fail?
 

I'm not really worried, but I was just thinking about this. If TMNT is a success, that means more shows, figures, movies, publicity, etc.

But what if it fails? They could pack up everything TMNT related and not ressurect it for 20 years. And even if it is a success, how long can TMNT stay around? I don't see it having the lasting power of a Spider-Man or Batman. Hell, the movie came out the same year as "Batman" did and if I say I like TMNT, I almost feel it's a guilty pleasure even though it shouldn't be...as where Batman is just a great well known character and movie in comparison in the minds of many.

Well Even if the TMNT cartoon will fail, The Mirage comic will stay.

And I know what you mean... Most people don't know the True TMNT, only the goofy pizza eating klowns. Stil almost everyone Knows that Batman is Dark. I think the problem is the way they made the first cartoon. Because they made it goofy, thats's how most people will remember it.

Batman TAS, on the other hand, were done Dark from the start. Of course the Great 2 first movies helped the Batman's Image too. Well Now Mirage is learning from it's mistake, And is doing a Darker TMNT show.

Exactly. It's all about perception. It's like the problem facing the Muppets; people think they are old news kiddy stuff. So there is work to be done.
Do you guys remember how by 1990 TMNT was beyond mainstream? Forget Power Rangers, these guys were like sickeningly mainstream. So it is nice to see em in a new light, to where they should be.

As for Batman, IMHO its like the first TMNT...this great dark and edgy late 80's film and then a bunch of horrific 90's sequels. So yes, good to see a much different take on the TMNT cartoon, from the character designs and story arc ideas this should be pretty darn good...and what weve been wanting for 12 and a half years.

Kids today are morons, who can't sit and watch anything unless it involves brightly colored monsters tring to kill each other. If it was on Cable, then they'd have a chance but only the old fans will probly keep the TMNT alive, that ot they have to go monster of the day if they make it to next season.

I know that has little to do with the topic, but its Fox, the show will be dead after 1 season probly, so enjoy it and pray they show the end more than once

Nah, I believe the show will have some success. Probably about as much as Jackie Chan Adventures (which doesn't have a monster of the week).

Actually that Im what Im guessing too. Fox has a way of doing things that way. Well I haven't totally lost hope yet, But Im afraid that might happen.

By the way, is 4kids somehow connected to fox? If not, there is a chance it could continue on another channel.

Or the question should be... when the TMNT fail as a mainstream attraction, will you still keep the faith?

IMO, the TMNT had never failed since they first came out. Us diehard fans won't let it! We just continue chatting amongst ourselves, writing stories, drawing pictures, and reliving the old times as if nothing ever happened. :D

I'm most certainly worried the new cartoon will fail. While I hope it doesn't, there is always the chance that today's audience will think of the Ninja Turtles as passe, something that was popular a long time ago and that can't cut it in today's world.

Yeah, yeah, I know all the hardcore fans of the Ninja Turtles will tune in. I, myself, will probably check out the new cartoon just to get a feel for it. But will it have staying power?

We can profess our love for the Ninja Turtles all we want, but if the public doesn't warm up to it, our Heroes in a Halfshell are history.

Just because several of us here at the Technodrome forums want it to be a success doesn't mean millions of people around the world will want it to be a success.

"It's so hard to find good help these days." - Shredder, from "The Foot Soldiers Are Revolting"

Thw problem is, even if it becomes a success, It might not have a second season... Fox has made decisions like that manytimes.

BHA
 

Hi Gang,

The first series (season 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994) was a very success, i remember when the TMNT exited in Italy all the child were crazy for the Turtles. They weren't publicized on TV but when i watched the first episode i loved them (i love TMNT also now).
The toys when exited in the shop without publicity on TV they ended as soon as they appeard.

I think that Movies worried pubblic and the last series of cartoon (Turtles grove, they are designed very bad) was a FLOP.

I think new cartoon series fail.
I think also that we are the last TMNT fan (we= people that were born in the years 1975 - 1987)

I don't think it will fail if they stick to the original plot of the comic. Also, if they DO make a new movie, it would be wicked kick ass if Wes Craven did it. Man, that would be the best. It would give TMNT a new meaning. Have like Krang or somethin in it. Maybe even Bacter Stockman.

Well like I said, even if it is a success, it might not see a second season, atleast on Fox. I

Yep i did thought about the new toon failing, and it's a big possibility but i don't think it will...
I don't like to speculate so i'll just wait and see what happens :D

It won't fail. Every time, the TMNT have proved to be very popular, if it's the cartoon, the comic books, or TNM. Why shouldn't this latest incarnation be popular? If things go like they have in the past, TMNT will soon be one of the most popular things.

I'm just gunna take it as it is and just see what happens

Re: Anyone Worried TMNT Will Fail?
 

Thats true, the comic book was around after TMNT toys & cartoons left, even if the Image series wasn't all that much like the original one, it was still a TMNT comic book.

::nods:: Exactly. A friend of a friend that hangs out with everyone each tuesday was talking to me & a friend of mine 2 days ago. We began talking about the new TMNT cartoon show & he was really adament about it. He was like "Oh, great, another TMNT show, I'm not going to be watching that @#%$.". I showed him the new issue of ToyFare with the article about the new TMNT cartoon & explained to him that the pizza-lovin' surfer dude turtles weren't going to be in this cartoon. After looking through the issue he said it didn't sound that bad & maybe he'll give it a try.

So it's pretty true that most of the public still see them as that. Batman got turned around in the movies. The 60's show was goofy as anything, but the new movie was alot different- & darker too.

I dunno...TMNT is technically an 80's thing, and alot of 80's stuff (Transformers, G.I.Joe,Masters of the Universe, Thundercats, etc.) is back & still popular. The toyline came out in 88', & it's 2003 now, so thats been like 14-15 years since it's debut.

Hey, the original TMNT toyline lasted for, what, like 5-6 years? I know they had a 5 year aniversary in 92', so they managed to stick around for 5 years & then a few years longer then that. Whats not to like about mutant animals, aliens & robots running around? Thats fun, for anybody.

I honestly think it will do well, maybe not as much as it was in the begining, but it might do well enough to surive for another 5 year anniversary in 2008. :D

-Snailman

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I still have this nagging fear the Turtle rebirth might die out. I'm not terribly worried either because I accepted the Turtle's 'dying' on the market long ago (or at least part of me did...I still wish from time to time they were on full throttle :D )

Even if they never make another killing on the market again, I'm glad to know that there are still hundreds of loyal fans out there.

if the show do fail will playmate still make figures of them?

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I would say no if the show fails, but what do I know? :lol:

I hope they make a cool line of figures! And I hope I can get 'em all before they become collector's items! :D

Well The only problem here is FOX. I have fate that people will like the new show, even those who hated the old one.

Just speculating, but if FOX funds 26 episodes for the first season, It could be a good sign... Well let's hope for the best.

Re: figures
 

Me too. I hope we at least get a new figure of Leatherhead, but this time he should look how he did in his 1st appearence in issue #45 of the original Mirage comic series. Like, he better be at least 8 inches long & have an articulated jaw, otherwise I'll be ticked. The early figure did not do the character justice- he was like, what, 4" long? They could at least have made him 6" long or somethin', he always looked so tiny. The figure was cool & is one of my favorites, but I'd really like to see him done a bit larger.

-Snailman

First appearnace in issue #45? He was in Tales of TMNT many years earlier...

Really? Oh, I just kinda assumed it was his first appearence as it was the only issue I saw on the ninjaturtles.com site that mentioned him.

Guess I shoulda done my research before just sayin' so. :D

-Snailman

I wonder why the official page hasn't put any info on them.... I mean they have most of the volume 1 issues already...

This show is going to flop and don't say i didn't warn you....The only way it can do well is if new young kids who have never seen the old show start to like it, as people tend to like what they first see, common human nature...There aren't many people that will be like huh? tmnt? on february 8th....I can tell you that... :cry:

You can't know it will flop... Why wouldn't kids like it?

no, kids would like it, just people who have seen the old series before won't like it....

No, most people here have said they can't wait for the show to start.

Of course they can't, you just watch how many smiles will turn into frowns when it actually debuts...can't bear to think of it... :(

And why would that happen? Thhey know the goofy TMNT is not coming back, and they still think they will like it. Most people have even said they like ALL the new voices...

I think it's gonna do really well. I've been building up a buzz among my friends, and a lot of the older kids at card tournaments that I go to. I even took my new Giant Donnie with me to show off the new look, and they all liked it. I've also gotten my nephew whos 3 hooked (he always wants to watch the first movie.) and my neice whos 9 loves the videogames.

Also, Tokka, why are you always so negative about things :-? ? Yeah, I'm new, but I've been reading the boards for a while.

Don't think of it as being negative...but taking the other side a lot...I love debating...

Btw, Welcome to the forum! :)

Hm... if the series fails, atleast the toys will end up being cheaper... :D

Only thing that worries me is Fox.

Yeah Fox has a pretty bad reputation in cancelling good shows... But then again, They have used a lot of money to advertaise the show, so that can be considered as a good sign. And welcome to the board, and please switch to normal text...

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Fox has been advertizing the absolute piss outta the tmnt series..... i think they are really, really hoping to make this their 'main' show. the potential for this series is just so good......

Main show is a good choice of words, The rest of the Fox box is crap. There is no nice way saying it.

well....
 

stargate infinitey HAD potential, but they just handled it so poorly. Ultimate Muscle is amusing, but kinds stupid. kirby, ultraman, and fighting foodons are just crap.

Well I can't think of one good fox cartoon, ever. Fox is a really horrible channel in the first place, so I think they are couning on TMNT to pull it out of the dumps