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LogicDonny 01-20-2007 11:46 PM

Hilary Clinton - us president?
 
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/Top...howbyline=True

Hilary Clinton, the wife of Ex-president Bill Clinton has vowed to run for president in 2008 or something.. interesting news.

Roseangelo 01-21-2007 12:37 AM

Interesting news? As if no one saw this coming?

I'm all for a woman president, but Hillary isn't getting my vote.

Masked Ninja 01-21-2007 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 457822)
I'm all for a woman president, but Hillary isn't getting my vote.

Exactly my sentiments. And I'm not really surprised, either.

iris 01-21-2007 06:36 AM

Well, it is interesting, despite it being no shock. Her politics are about the same as her husband's. But many Dems are pinning their hopes on Barack Obama.

Katie 01-21-2007 08:02 AM

no to hilary...yes to Barack!!!

Though if Condoleezza Rice were to run...and it ended up being Condy against Hilary...I'd have to...um.....vote for Stryker :P

Raph's Girl 01-21-2007 02:32 PM

Im voting for Obama... I don't like Hillary or Mitt Romney or Rudy Guliani or Richardson or Vilsack....

What would be cool is if Barry Gordon (he's a Dem and has his own political talk show) ran for president. That would rock...he'd get the vote of all the TMNT fans old enough to vote! :lol:

if it ends up Hillary vs Condalisa...Im moving to Canada.

BigApple3AM 01-21-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 457930)

if it ends up Hillary vs Condalisa...Im moving to Canada.

That'd be the year Nader wins the election.

Jo Dawn 01-21-2007 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 457822)

I'm all for a woman president, but Hillary isn't getting my vote.

I'm not. For both parts of the sentence.

And yeah, not a big surprise. Ugh. I dread the whole 'Gender Issues' that will derive from this. I hate election time...

iris 01-21-2007 07:30 PM

Yeah, election time sucks. And it's two years until the actual election day! *grumble*

Have you Americans heard of instant runoff voting? I like that idea. Lets you vote for your first choice candidates without worrying about whether your are handing the election to a candidate you hate. If your first choice loses, your vote goes to your second choice, etc. I think that would be awesome.

Spitfire 01-21-2007 07:34 PM

No if a woman is president women will grow beards and become more manly.

It blew my mind that, that used to be an argument against females voting.

Any whose all the power to her, someone needs to be the first female president. I say she's a good match. I mean her husband was much liked and she seems to know what she's doing.

Jester 01-21-2007 07:34 PM

Barack Obama may be a charismatic guy, but what real experence does he have?

iris 01-21-2007 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester (Post 458109)
Barack Obama may be a charismatic guy, but what real experence does he have?

Right now he has two years in Congress, which is more experience than Dubya had when he took office, and by the time the real campaigning starts he'll have another year at least. Dubya had a couple years in the Governor's office and a very unflattering resume before that. *shrug* But I'm in your boat... his record is OK but very short.

Raph's Girl 01-21-2007 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ectocooler (Post 457946)
That'd be the year Nader wins the election.


Im all for Nader to be president! I like Nader!! But he'll never be elected cuz he's Arab-American. :P

That Matt Guy 01-22-2007 07:48 AM

Ugh... no. Not another Clinton in the White House. We've already had to endure another damn Bush, let's bring in some new blood for the love of god.

Draconic 01-22-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

“Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
-Douglas Adams
Quote:

“Anybody who wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”
-David Broder
Quote:

“For instance, it is certain that women do not want a woman for President. Nor would they have the slightest confidence in her ability to fulfill the functions of that office.”
-Eleanor Roosevelt
This pretty much sums up how I feel. As tempting as it is, I don't want Bill back in the White House. Entertaining, yes, but do we really need him back in the news again?

But really, I have nothing against a female president, however I don't think that should be her running platform, you know? I'm not going to elect a woman for president just because she's a woman. Also, if we do have a female president, I would feel much better about it if she were post-menopausal. I don't want to go to war because someone called her ugly at the wrong time of the month. :|

DrSpengler 01-22-2007 09:28 AM

Her stance on gaming is enough to keep me from voting for her.


Oh, and that whole "I still haven't registered"-thing.

Spitfire 01-22-2007 04:25 PM

Even if she has a poor stance on gaming Congress has to agree with her for them to do anything about that. Gaming is growing and making the move industry struggle. Don't expect them to snuff it out. It would be like stopping tobacco production. All that tax money they make.

Warhorse 01-22-2007 10:01 PM

My boss is holding a huge party in commerence to Hilary's running! We liked what the Clintons were doing, we had a surplus, the deficit was down, the economy was up, there were a record number of home owners during their run. We want those good times back! She's got 15,000 votes coming from my company alone!:)

Ecto Jedi 01-22-2007 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 457930)
if it ends up Hillary vs Condalisa...Im moving to Canada.

Come one, come all -- nobody cares about elections up here. :)

Deathknight 01-22-2007 11:07 PM

Oh god, WHY? Not that I'm against having a female president it's just that I don't think at this point and time she has any chance of winning. A lot of people will probably be against having a female president thus greatly reducing the number of votes for her side. It looks like the democratic party is commiting political suicide.

iris 01-22-2007 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathknight (Post 458567)
Oh god, WHY? Not that I'm against having a female president it's just that I don't think at this point and time she has any chance of winning. A lot of people will probably be against having a female president thus greatly reducing the number of votes for her side. It looks like the democratic party is commiting political suicide.

I don't think it would be suicide just because she's female, but she has other image issues. Many people in her own party don't like her, which is odd considering she has most of the same views as the much-beloved Bubba. She may not stand a chance against the freight train that is '08AMA. *shrug*

Jester 01-22-2007 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iris (Post 458136)
Right now he has two years in Congress, which is more experience than Dubya had when he took office, and by the time the real campaigning starts he'll have another year at least. Dubya had a couple years in the Governor's office and a very unflattering resume before that. *shrug* But I'm in your boat... his record is OK but very short.

Yeah, but being governor is an executive office, where the Senate is legislative, 2 very different worlds.

Draconic 01-23-2007 10:48 AM

Honestly, who didn't see this coming when Bill was still in office? I was in grade school, and even I knew I didn't like Hillary. Sure, Bill was a cool guy, but she's not Bill. She's the power-hungry woman that we all knew she was when she had no power.

She is also at the forefront of the anti-gaming movement, which is a laughable position at that.

Sewer Bull 01-23-2007 11:10 AM

I'd bet a wager on Barack Obama, but in 2012 (if Reps win in 2012) or in 2016. But I'm 100% sure he'll become the President one day, sooner or later.

HRC might or might not get a nomination (if Dems still have some sentiments for Bill), although I reckon that John Edwards would be a better candidate from the Democratic side.

iris 01-23-2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester (Post 458575)
Yeah, but being governor is an executive office, where the Senate is legislative, 2 very different worlds.

True, that's why governors are more likely to go for the presidency. But even so, I'd still say Obama has better credentials than Bush had. If Obama would actually show some spine, I might be tempted to vote for him. So far, I haven't been impressed.

Draconic, I don't think that Hilary is any more power-hungry than Bill. When Bill was elected, people seemed to be worried by the fact that the first lady actually had opinions, a career, etc, instead of being a trophy wife. I never saw what that had to do with anything. Her character was oversimplified by the press.

Some people still like John Edwards, but he has no momentum.

Draconic 01-23-2007 11:40 AM

I really think Howard Dean has the passion to be a good president, don't you?

Jester 01-23-2007 11:43 AM

"YEEEEEAHHHHHH!!!!!!!"
http://www.scripting.com/images/arch...deanScream.jpg

Draconic 01-23-2007 11:49 AM

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/..._pic_small.jpg

Stimor 01-23-2007 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathknight (Post 458567)
Oh god, WHY? Not that I'm against having a female president it's just that I don't think at this point and time she has any chance of winning. A lot of people will probably be against having a female president thus greatly reducing the number of votes for her side. It looks like the democratic party is commiting political suicide.

that is an extremely poor reason

Katie 01-23-2007 12:53 PM

She's electable....she has alot of big time political advisors on her side and after all, it's not about experience or credentials or anything...it's all about the spin doctors doing their thing.

What's going to happen is it's going to end up being a Barack vs Hillary Democratic nomination race. Executive experience or no (remember, Hillary has only been in legislative arenas herself), I think Barack will win...not for anything but he is a charismatic guy. We like our politicians to have great smiles and look nice on camera.

iris 01-23-2007 02:24 PM

Gah... I respect Howard Dean more than most politicians. I still can't believe the media ruined his campaign by playing that scream over and over. Now it seems like that's all people know about him.

Draconic 01-23-2007 03:45 PM

Actually, I was serious about him. I think that he's got the potential to be a good leader. It's not his fault that they couldn't raise the volume on his mic, and he decided to give his speech anyway.

Also: Espionage?

Zachatello00 01-23-2007 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iris (Post 457846)
many Dems are pinning their hopes on Barack Obama.

as is this republican. Obama all the way! :tgrin:

Jo Dawn 01-23-2007 08:04 PM

Wait, see, I was always confused about Howard Dean. Was the media embarassing him the big reason he quit running?

Really, I don't follow politics... But I thought it was rather cool that he was so into it. And I feel bad if his whole dream to run got ruined because of that.

Roseangelo 01-23-2007 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo Dawn (Post 458791)
Wait, see, I was always confused about Howard Dean. Was the media embarassing him the big reason he quit running?

It wasn't specifically because of that. He didn't get enough primary votes, so he didn't quit, he just lost. But the constant replay of that moment probably did lose him a lot of potential votes.


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