Guess What Kids? Another New Clip!
 

http://movies.msn.com/movies/PMG/TMNThistory

Just scroll down till you see the link.

Jeez, are the even gonna show the movie in theatres or just release it in short installments online.

COLLECT ALL THE VIDEOS AND PIECE TOGETHER THE MOVIE!

that was an interesting clip from the movie.

I shouldn't watch any more clips than I should. It will spoil the experience when I go see it. The problem is that I can't resist. The publicity people for TMNT should have left only a few clips and leave room for the good parts.

True but I do not have anything else better to do at the moment.

oooooo i love how Raphie boy just ups and leaves not waiting for Splinter to stop him hehehheeheheeeeeeeee


ONE WEEK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it, Splinter's gonna be a dickhead in this movie.

Theres a difference between being a dickhead and being a concerned parent/teacher

Yeah, and what's a concerned parent? One that allows his sons to grow apart for a whole year while he sits on his meditative behind not doing jack for them?
Newsflash: he sent one son away to live out in the open for "a whole year", and in doing so, inadvertantly provoked a second son to go spend his year out in the open to find something constructive to do, meanwhile, a third son's got a job and is at least keeping in contact with the fourth son, who happens to be fulfilling Splinter's wishes by staying in the lair. And he's acting like it's their fault.
If you ask me: It's Splinter's fault they broke up in the first place, and what's more is he's not even taking any friggin responsibility for it.

And think about this:
Leonardo's spent the year becoming spiritually stronger to be a better leader, Raphael's been dedicating his life and skills to keeping NY a safe place to live, Michaelangelo and Donatello have been keeping in contact, working to earn money and keeping their family and their home comfortable and free of financial burdens, and obviously they've all been exercising and keeping fit or they wouldn't have retained their muscular figures and acrobatic skills. At least his sons were doing something constructive during the previous year, whereas Splinter's been sitting on his butt not doing crap.

As a sensei, Splinter's practicaly perfect, but as a father...well, this is why I remember emphasizing in the Splinter Has Nobody thread how Splinter's too absorbed in his role as a sensei and not enough absorbed in his role as a father.

I would not jump to conclusions until one reads the comics for the movie and/or watch the movie itself.

Uhh Hello, are you forgetting the whole plot of the movie? Splinter has been doing something, he's been trying to hold the family together. They've been drifting apart as a team and a family, and Splinter was doing his damndest to keep them together.

We don't know the exact circumstances of Leo's departure. Maybe Splinter wasn't all for Leo leaving, maybe thats why he put so much pressure on the rest of his sons to keep them there. Don't forget, in one of those clips

As a father, Splinter isn't always perfect, but what father is? He does his best and it works. He's a father trying to keep this family element from crumbling

So your "Splinter sitting on his lazy butt" argument falls somewhat flat.

nice this is in the book but they don't even mention splinter who ever said before the movies allready better is correctomundo!:D

Personally I think Splinter loses his cool here because he is a concerned parent. I actually think you are seeing more of the Father here then the Sensei. I think you are seeing a Father that is very use to hiding his four Sons because that has always been the way he has protected the four of them sense they were babies, now suddenly thrust into the outside world, there protection is out of his control. Like any parent he is having issues letting go and allowing his Sons to grow into there own men. He doesn't want to see them hurt, he wants to keep them there where they are safe.

What father doesn't butt head with his young Sons in such a way.... at least what Father that doesn't love his Sons more then anything.

Try not to be too hard on Splinter, just like Leo he isn't perfect and is stumbling through this thing callled life, trying his best to keep everyone together and most important in his mind alive.

It may seem harsh, but life is harsh. I don't like watching Splinter hurt Leonardo anymore then anyone else, but love/ family causes people to do things, say things that are not always the smartest thing to say, not always the best choice. That honestly is my favorite aspect of this movie how real the family is... and the fact that I know by the end everything will work itself out and be better ;) Because thats how Turtles is!

Wonderful clip. I can't wait to see this.

And I'd actually say that Splinter is doing his best, atleast what I can tell from the clips and reviews. And it's pretty common that fathers and sons have different opinions as to how things are supposed to be - atleast when the kids aren't adults yet. So I won't start judging anything, until I have seen the entire movie and have something to prove me different.

And while we're at it, they did go against his orders. They got in a fight. Raph jumped in head first, Don and Mike blindly followed and Leo went a long despite the fact he knew he shouldn't. And if the clips of Don and Mike at work are any indication, their not exactly enjoying themsleves.

Splinter was just being harsh because he's concerned for the safety of his sons. IMO he depends on Leonardo too much to keep the others in line.

I like that Leo refered to Raph as the Night Watchman. Uh Leo... Night Watchman is Maid Marion, not Raph. :lol:

1, Leonardo was training and the situation with Raph is something he recognizes and seeing as though we know how Raph is I can buy that its difficult to get through to him. So when Leo returns he wants Leo to reach out to his brothers. No different than when parents ask older siblings to look out for their younger siblings.

Not to mention that yes even though Raphael is out fighting crime his motivation behind it is more than his wanting to be a good guy. Theres a reason he's wearing a mask and using a secret identity--because even Raph knows what he is doing is'nt right. Especially considering his methods are borderline lethal. Splinter would rather them be together if they are going to do this. Be a team because they are stronger that way. What's wrong for him trying to protect that relationship?

All he wants is that they don't go out fighting anybody. Not until they are complete again. He gave Leo orders not to fight and what happens? They get into one so he chews him out for not listening. He's their mentor/father so he is trying to establish order in the family. The only person he gave crap to was Leo--and that was just during that part we just watched. And when that was ignored he got at Leo because Leo is the one he gave the instructions to and who is supposed to lead the. How is he being a dick?

Heh, I like that script there:

LEO: Save the brute vigilante stuff for that Night-watchman.
MIKEY & RAPH: Nightwatcher.
LEO: Yeah, whatever.

On another topic, if the Turtles are supposed to be all split up as a team, shouldn't Don and Mike not be attached at the hip still? :roll:

well those 2 are far from confrontational with anyone unless its neccessary so its right within their characters for them to be tight still, even though training may not be their top concern.

I know; it's just kind of annoying to me. It's like, the team is supposed to be split up, but it's not; just Leo and Raph are. It just reinforces the lack of importance of Mike and Don in this movie.

Personally I would'nt say all that because the team as we know it: the turtles running rooftops, fighting bad guys, training is gone. Its not split in the sense that no one is talking to each other but it is split in the sense that their is infighting, lack of dedication, ignoring orders ect. Mike and Don are'nt fighting because, well, they aren't that type but it does'nt make them anyless important. They are strong seperatly but the 4 of them together is when they are at their strongest. Mix that with the biggest issue at hand, their failure to follow the leader like hey use to do--They might not be at each others throats but the team dynamic that they had is not as good as it use to be.

You know, this talk about Splinter and always using Leo to help reach out to the other Turtles. Well. I love Leo, but he isn't the only one in the family Splinter can turn to for help in the communication department. There's always Casey and April, who've been with them through thick and thin. They help when they can, but it's not like Splinter outright asks for it. There's no harm in it. Some humans can be trusted.

the only one I can see being around much is Casey seeing as though April in the new film apparently travels alot and while yes i'm sure he trusts Casey there is only so much he can say or do considering he is for the most part on the outside looking in

^The reason I had made that mention about Splinter turning to April or Casey, is because for the most part, in most mediums, he hardly seems aknowledge their presence. Mostly. Not all the time, but quite a bit.

Yeah, you'd think he'd be a little more fond of humans, considering he was raised by one...

Or at least be more trusting of April & Casey...

But then again, perhaps Splinter did try... we won't really know for sure until the prequel comics come out. Maybe we'll get explanations there...

you know I feel really, really bad for Leonardo in most mediums. Looks like i'm going to be a Leonardo sympathsier in this movie. Am I the only one that feels that Splinter asks a bit to much of Leonardo and puts a little to much presure on him. The poor guy, I mean I know that Leonardo is considered the oldest so he is given the "older siblings" crushing responsiabilites, but really that is only in mental maturity only.

Physically the turtles are all the same age so I don't think it is completely fair to give all the responisability of keeping every one in check to Leonardo. Make Raphael, Michaelangelo, and Donatello take responicability for their actions and for each other too.

who says he's not trusting or not fond of them?
at its core the situation is a family matter between brothers so there is only so much April or Casey can say or do. resoulution needs to come from between the brothers regardless if Splinter asks April or Casey to talk to them (and we already know April and Casey do talk to them in the film)

No, you ain't the only one who feels this way. I mean I'm an older brother, but I don't assume all responsibility over my little brother, because he's just as capable of taking care of himself as I am: The case is the same with the turtles, they are all capable of taking care of themselves as well as protecting each other, and it's only fair that Splinter holds all of them responsible for their own actions. It's also true that in order for the turtles to be unified, it takes the efforts of all of them, not just one, and it doesn't seem like Splinter acknowledges that too well. Thus far, he's chided Leonardo, and I have a feeling he will Raphael too, but I'm not sure of the others. You know, back in the old days, I never really thought that much about Splinter at all, when TMNT fandom was revived a few years ago, then I started thinking about him, and at first I thought he was really great and righteous and only wanted what's best for his family, but as I got more and more into him, I started thinking otherwise. My opinion about Splinter just keeps getting worse.

Wow. Well, in my family and surrounding families, if the parents or someone needs to be reasoned with, or helped, we usually go to the friends first, because most times, we confide to our best friends more than we would to our parents, siblings or cousins. Friends also tend to have a stronger rapport and have decisive influence on eachother, often more times than not compared to a parent or sibling.

the film is going by the idea though that Leo is older--even though yes they were all mutated at the same time. and no one is saying that Raph, Mikey and Don don't have to take responsibility for themselves because they do but at the same clip Splinter wants Leo to look out for them and to guide them because he is the oldest and because he wants them to be able to work and care for each other when it is just the 4 of them.

he wants them to be a team and a family so he made it known that he wants Leo to guide the way in both. Yes its pressure to do it-- that's the point. It's not supposed to be easy, otherwise where is the drama. Leo has to learn how to be a good leader and a better older brother, just as the others have to learn the importance of family and the strength of their team when they work together.

He may or may not be the oldest physically, but he's looked upon as the oldest. And the leader. And in both positions, they have to set an example and take responsibility for the rest of the team/family. Yes, Don, Mikey, and Raph have to take responsibility for themselves, but it's Leo's job to look after them and not make stupid mistakes.

Thats why Splinter is so hard on him, he was gone for a year to train, so Splinter expected him to do a better job when he got back.

that's fine if you want to talk to friends (and we already know that not only do April and Casey have a relationship with the turtles and Splinter but that they give advice to both Leo and Raph) but that still does'nt change the fact that resolution needs to come from within the family. there is only so much April and Casey can say, do, or advise. Its going to have to come down to the turtles and Splinter fixing their relationship.

Hmm, am I the only one who noticed, that Raph smirks when Splinter says "there are no excuses" to Leo?

exactly.

::reviews footage::

Well how about that? He did smirk... cocky bastard:lol:

Possible spoilers in this comment (based on the clips).

I feel bad for Leo, too. He basically lives for his brothers. I know he's got an ego, but he's earned it because he's been so dedicated and responsible in his ninja training. Also Raph seems to be behaving so passive aggressively, and then outright aggressively, without even explaining to Leo, or Splinter, or anybody, that he's jealous. Plus Raph seems to be doing this Nightwatcher thing to let out more aggression and beat the crap out of bad guys. He's not being a huge humanitarian or anything.

I sympathise with Raph, too, but he picks a very self-indulgent way of dealing with his problems. I know Leo may get a certain thrill when he's praised by Splinter, but he also receives scoldings and high expectations from Splinter.

And johnnyblaze, I think maybe Splinter should have anticipated Raph's unwillingness to receive orders from Leo, no matter how much training Leo did during that year. Raph has always followed Leo unwillingly.

But when your supposed to look out for him and you screw up, your not called on it?

I dunno...I get the feeling he was addressing all of them before turning on Leo. If he was just going to lecture Leo, why have them all there?

Is that because of the way he's written, or because your looking out for the bad stuff?

Well, to tell you the truth, he really doesn't need my help much at all. We love each other but live totally separate lives. In fact to tell you the truth, I really think he's better off without my help, which I'm perfectly okay with. My parents hold him responsible for what he does wrong, and it's mutual for me and what I do wrong, simple as that.
Good point.
It's because I read between the lines, apply logic, and then "do the math", and yes, I find the way he's written is with flaws. I don't look out for anything, it just comes to me.

Raph may have been reluctant in the past and outspoken and acted out based on his temper but he did allow himself to be led by Leo --.the problem is that Raph is being even more outspoken about his doubt in Leo. I have no doubt its at an even more severe degree than it has been before seeing as though it leads into an actual physical fight between the two. And i'm sure Splinter did anticipate Raph

Here's what I want to know: Why can't Splinter have flaws? It's much more interesting that way, if you ask me. For years and years and years, we've seen him as the typical "wise old master who's never wrong". His apparent flaws in the new movie make him a better, more interesting character.

That dosen't answer my question.

And that works in a normal family. But Leo also has to play field commander, which I feel a lot of people over look. He's the leader yes, but that dosen't mean he's in charge of what they do with their lives or what they do between fighting whatever is a threat to the city or the planet. That's up to them, but a large part of their lives is the discipline of ninjas, acting as a disciplined unit (Yes, including Raph, however reluctant he may be) and they don't have that anymore. They need a leader as much as a brother, and Leo is supposed to be better than he was a year ago. And he screwed up. He's responsible, as a leader not just an older brother, he's responsible for them as a fighting unit. And they did poorly, while he was supposed to bring them together. And Splinter called him on it, especially when he tries to pawn the blame off on Raph. That dosen't sound like an improved leader or a mature brother, so why shouldn't Leo face that?

"Reading between the lines" isn't looking for something? And I'm sure I don't have to point out the flaws in Leo, Raph, Don, Mike, April, Casey or whoever. But what's the point? If they don't have flaws, their not characters, their pieces of cardboard. Same with Splinter, and if I "read between the lines" and "apply logic" to a movie about four mutant turtles and a rat written in a way that can be understood by an audience with a fairly low age range, then I see a concerned parent.