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tortugapower 03-18-2007 06:33 PM

TMNT deleted scene (possible spoilers)
 
I just got a chance to see the finished version.

The movie has been cut down (it was at least 2 hours...) so expect a DVD with some nice deleted scenes or perhaps a directors cut.

Here is one of the scenes I noticed wasn't in the finished version of the film but I had seen previously:

Spoiler:
In the beginning they don't show that Mikey is at a party right away, they start with him on a com-link inside the Cowabunga Carl head talking to Don, basically freaking out like he's about to be attacked.

All the kids run in and beat the crap out of him.

He is on the ground and all the children leave the room for cake. The last kid to leave the room stops, turns back towards Mikey and just kicks him in the stomach.

We see a shot from above with Mikey laying there curling up into a fetal position with pained whimpering. Cut to him leaving the party, the kids chanting "byebye" and all that with one kid screaming over all the others "You suck!".

The whole scene is very funny and sad at the same time.


If you are reading these forums most likely you will enjoy the movie. ;)

jezza 03-18-2007 06:36 PM

I did feel there was a bit missing from this scene in the movie. Where did you see this? Any ideas on any other scenes that are missing? It would be great if they can add them back in to the movie for the DVD as it did feel particularly short to me.

johnnyblaze 03-18-2007 06:53 PM

that from what I remember was from some of the first footage shown to the public at comic con last year

Splinter's Iroonna 03-18-2007 07:43 PM

That is pretty much like what we saw in San Diego-- only the last line was by the girl who crotch-kicked Mikey afterwards-- THIS is the BEST birthday ever! I think I need my medicine!"


Let's face it-- there are things that we saw a year ago that were prolly changed-- all the more reason for a TWO DISC SET!!!!!


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Roseangelo 03-18-2007 09:41 PM

There are actually a lot of differences between the finished movie, the various previews we've seen (including trailers), and especially the novelization.

I'm gonna work on compiling a ginormous list of differences this week (well, I'll start on it at least).

ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael 03-18-2007 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 478995)
There are actually a lot of differences between the finished movie, the various previews we've seen (including trailers), and especially the novelization.

I'm gonna work on compiling a ginormous list of differences this week (well, I'll start on it at least).

Differences like how? Music? Dialouge?

johnnyblaze 03-18-2007 09:59 PM

apparently a few of the lines explaining the monsters that were in the novel are missing from the film

Roseangelo 03-18-2007 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael (Post 478998)
Differences like how? Music? Dialouge?

There was at least one dialogue change from a clip in the trailer. All scenes we saw with finished music are the same in the movie. There are lots of scenes in the book that are not in the movie at all. And some of the pictures that were leaked after Christmas are not in the movie at all.

ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael 03-18-2007 10:04 PM

What about that part in the book when Mikey and Don have that little serious conversation about behind behind. Did that make it in?

johnnyblaze 03-18-2007 10:17 PM

the game had dialogue from the part in the novel where they play Ninja tag
Spoiler:
(Don suggests Leo and Raph team up and the both of them end up in a shoving match because their team work sucks)
I think its safe to say that got cut out as well.

Roseangelo 03-18-2007 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael (Post 479024)
What about that part in the book when Mikey and Don have that little serious conversation about behind behind. Did that make it in?

Huh? Behind behind?

Spoiler:
There is no ninja tag in the movie.

Rooish 03-18-2007 10:23 PM

Damn it, that was one of the best parts of the novelization!

Spoiler:
Mikey at the party?

Mikey talking to Don about never leaving the glass bowl?

Leo and Raph's shoving match during ninja tag?


I am seriously ****ing pissed off now. This thing was originally 2 hours?? Why has it been butchered?

johnnyblaze 03-18-2007 10:28 PM

studios are afraid to put out longer flicks, especially when they have to think of the little ones. sometimes it works, sometimes it does'nt. a shame to because some of the bad reviews wanted more interesting interaction between the turtles---and from what we know they had some that got deleted for whatever reason.

FearlessLeader 03-18-2007 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooish (Post 479054)

I am seriously ****ing pissed off now. This thing was originally 2 hours?? Why has it been butchered?

I am guessing someone at Warner Brothers is to blame.


I would suggest to see the film before you get too pissed off. Even with the scenes missing it still worked and it was still very understable why the characters had conflicts, plus it just gives us more to look forward to for a super awesome DVD package...

Now give us a lame DVD release and THEN I will be pissed ;)

Roseangelo 03-18-2007 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooish (Post 479054)
Damn it, that was one of the best parts of the novelization!

Spoiler:
Mikey at the party?

Mikey talking to Don about never leaving the glass bowl?

Leo and Raph's shoving match during ninja tag?


I am seriously ****ing pissed off now. This thing was originally 2 hours?? Why has it been butchered?

Spoiler:
To be fair, I can understand why the birthday party part was changed; I think you'll agree when you see the movie.

A lot of the bits in the lair that were in the book were not in the movie.. like Mike and Don avoiding practice after Leo is back and anything about Don installing the air conditioner. Mike is also not portrayed as a Nightwatcher fanboy.

And yeah, no Mike/Don conversation and no ninja tag.

Rooish 03-18-2007 10:31 PM

Yeah, I guess movie studios do that. It's just sad ... that really was one of my favourite parts of the novelization.

sgtfbomb 03-18-2007 10:45 PM

I hope this stuff at least makes the dvd. I would like to know more of what could have been cut out. "Alternate versions" of movies always kinda fascinated me

TMNT4Ever 03-19-2007 12:16 AM

Hopefully, the film does great and we'll be able to see the 2 hour cut of the film.

Sage Ninja 03-19-2007 12:49 AM

was the Mikey beat down part edited because they thought it was to violent or something?

Also it is a shame that the serious conversation about "not ever leaving the fish bowl" between Mike and Donatello was not included. I really like when they give Michaelangelo indepth character moments that show he is not jusat the silly wacky turtle. But what ever :roll: I'm still really looking foward to the movie and the Raph+Leo tension.

gobo 03-19-2007 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezza (Post 478886)
It would be great if they can add them back in to the movie for the DVD as it did feel particularly short to me.

I can see it now: TMNT - UNRATED!! :lol: Technically, it would be unrated even though it's still all PG material. But, how many idiots do you think would buy it expecting to see blood or brief nudity? :roll: :lol:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Splinter's Iroonna (Post 478943)
Let's face it-- there are things that we saw a year ago that were prolly changed-- all the more reason for a TWO DISC SET!!!!!

Sounds logical. But, since the DVD is slated for July 10th, 15 and a half weeks after its theatrical release, I'm not sure if I should be worried or not. Nearly four months sounds like enough time to churn out a fairly impressive DVD, but it really seems like they're planning on making it a cookie-cutter release in as much as they even have a street date for the DVD already. :ohwell:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 479022)
There was at least one dialogue change from a clip in the trailer.

Spoiler:
Mikey points, and says, "Whoa. Somebody's cranky!

Is that what you were referring to?
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyblaze (Post 479057)
studios are afraid to put out longer flicks, especially when they have to think of the little ones.

It's not fear. Sure, they're afraid of turning off the audience with a movie that is too long, but they have to pay exponentially more for every additional minute shown in theaters. They just don't want to take the risk that it would hurt the box office ratings. Remember, they have to make $100 mil domestic to ensure a sequel. So, I imagine the production was all for it, saying "there's always DVD". :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reira (Post 479060)
Now give us a lame DVD release and THEN I will be pissed ;)

:o DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!! :lol:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 479061)
Spoiler:
To be fair, I can understand why the birthday party part was changed; I think you'll agree when you see the movie.

Spoiler:
Care to explain it to me? In a PM, maybe?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb (Post 479070)
"Alternate versions" of movies always kinda fascinated me

Me too! ^_^

johnnyblaze 03-19-2007 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobo (Post 479131)

It's not fear. Sure, they're afraid of turning off the audience with a movie that is too long, but they have to pay exponentially more for every additional minute shown in theaters. They just don't want to take the risk that it would hurt the box office ratings. Remember, they have to make $100 mil domestic to ensure a sequel. So, I imagine the production was all for it, saying "there's always DVD". :)


umm is'nt that fear right there?

gobo 03-19-2007 05:49 AM

Well, yeah. But, my point was that it's more sensible caution than senseless fear. It's a subtle difference, so I'm splitting hairs. ... Sue me. :)

Roseangelo 03-19-2007 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobo (Post 479131)
Spoiler:
Mikey points, and says, "Whoa. Somebody's cranky!


Is that what you were referring to?

Spoiler:
No. I'm thinking the part where Mike jumps into Don's arms when they're fighting the Bigfoot monster. Mike's line was slightly different there.


Quote:

Spoiler:
Care to explain it to me? In a PM, maybe?

Spoiler:
It's only that the beginning of the movie was cut differently than was likely originally in mind.

kerfootw 03-19-2007 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMNT4Ever (Post 479115)
Hopefully, the film does great and we'll be able to see the 2 hour cut of the film.

Don't forget the sequel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobo
I can see it now: TMNT - UNRATED!! Technically, it would be unrated even though it's still all PG material. But, how many idiots do you think would buy it expecting to see blood or brief nudity?

My dad would. He always believes that that's what it means.

Smiley 03-20-2007 07:24 PM

So the novelization that you're all talking about... is this this comic version or the actual book? I've been debating whether to get the it or not. The one I've found is only 128 pages so I'll have the thing read in under an hour. But, then again, the scenes with Mikey and Don sound really interesting and they apparently don't make the actualy movie, so I may give it a go.

Warhorse 03-20-2007 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiley (Post 480062)
So the novelization that you're all talking about... is this this comic version or the actual book? I've been debating whether to get the it or not. The one I've found is only 128 pages so I'll have the thing read in under an hour. But, then again, the scenes with Mikey and Don sound really interesting and they apparently don't make the actualy movie, so I may give it a go.

The books sucks in my opinion, and had me worried about the outcome of the movie, but the clips I have seen erased all that worry away.

Personally, the movie is only a few days away, so I'd just wait for that. But there are supposed to be comics that go with the movie to help fill in some plot holes that ended up on the cutting room floor.

Time Mistress 03-20-2007 10:42 PM

Well according to my local theater the run time for the moive will be 87 minutes. Make of that what you will. As long as the edited stuff ends up on the DVD I'll probably forgive 'em.

kryka83 03-22-2007 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 479061)
Spoiler:
To be fair, I can understand why the birthday party part was changed; I think you'll agree when you see the movie.

A lot of the bits in the lair that were in the book were not in the movie.. like Mike and Don avoiding practice after Leo is back and anything about Don installing the air conditioner. Mike is also not portrayed as a Nightwatcher fanboy.

And yeah, no Mike/Don conversation and no ninja tag.

dang, i was hoping for NIGHTWATCHER fan-turtle Mikey to be part of the story and then see Raph's secret smile because they are all clueless that it is him...alas...it will have to be enjoyed in our imaginations (or dvd deleted scense...*crossing fingers*)

Tansut 03-23-2007 12:41 AM

I really, really doubt they cut out an entire half hour's worth of footage from the film. There's no way a studio is going to drop thirty minutes of computer animation of that quality down the drain. Yes, I know stupid decisions get made in Hollywood all the time, but I doubt that was the case here.

A few minutes maybe got cut, sure; little things here and there get trimmed and changed all the time. But unless someone comes up with a TMNT shooting script that has 120 pages or more, I really doubt it was ever going to be that long. Kids movies are generally intended to be no more than 90 minutes so you can get more showtimes in a day. In fact, I think the only computer animated movie near the two hour mark is The Incredibles, right?

I could be wrong, and it would be kind of cool to think that there's more to see than what I saw, but I'm skeptical to say the least.

johnnyblaze 03-23-2007 05:10 AM

according to Munroe in his Front Line thread there was ALOT of alternate footage and cut footage that got sent to Warner Bros. for consideration to put on the DVD

Tansut 03-23-2007 06:42 AM

Well, this is one of the few instances I'm glad I'm wrong. Although I have to wonder how much was just alternate takes on scenes that did make it into the final cut as opposed to entire scenes. The movie really seemed to flow without any sense of something being cut, although that could've just been me.

johnnyblaze 03-23-2007 07:21 AM

he did also say that at one point they had a 2 hour cut so I imagine more family scenes, fight footage etc

Tansut 03-23-2007 09:18 AM

Hmmm, I guess. I mean, I'm not saying that I think a longer runtime would make the film worse, but the theatrical cut as it is really comes off as a taut, fast-paced thrill ride which seems to benefit from not being overly long to begin with. Unless the deleted scenes were really important to the plot I don't think I'm going to miss them much. Like my friend pointed out and I agreed with, when we realized what time it was when the movie ended, we had expected it to be a little bit later than it was because the movie just felt so big.

That said, if there isn't an extended cut or the inclusion of this footage on the DVD, I would be mighty irked because we ought to be able to see it somehow. Much like how we should get special edition DVDs of the original films with actual bonus material, ya know? Either way, thanks for the new info. I had considered myself pretty well informed about the movie, but I guess not. :D

johnnyblaze 03-23-2007 01:10 PM

I imagine that was the exact reason--to add to the fast paced, keep it flowing nicely. Hit hard then fade away I guess you could say. Its just always nice to see what didn't make the cut or alternate versions of a scene--just cuz

iris 03-23-2007 06:34 PM

crap, how'd that double happen? :p

iris 03-23-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyblaze (Post 481749)
Hit hard then fade away I guess you could say.

Precisely. I'd love another 30 minutes of turtles, but I don't think it would have improved the movie overly much for a general audience. If you want a director's cut, maybe you should start a thread to ask Kevin Munroe for it.

Mr. Arctic 03-24-2007 06:14 AM

It was NOT originally two hours. the original poster is over-estimating. it was maybe longer by like 5 min. and they didnt cut any scenes in their entirety; the things they cut were just pieces of scenes/sequences so that the movie would move along. unfortunately the parts they cut were parts that older audiences would've appreciated.

johnnyblaze 03-24-2007 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arctic (Post 482224)
It was NOT originally two hours. the original poster is over-estimating. it was maybe longer by like 5 min. and they didnt cut any scenes in their entirety; the things they cut were just pieces of scenes/sequences so that the movie would move along. unfortunately the parts they cut were parts that older audiences would've appreciated.

not the first cut shown to theaters, the first cut they put to gether at the studio

gobo 03-24-2007 07:51 AM

So sayeth Munroe. :)

Youal 03-25-2007 03:26 PM

Someone should make a list and put it up at wikipedia. Not sure if its a deleted scene but the footage in this clip was not shown in the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKojyT2KXE0

Supposly according to the review on superherohype, Mikey was kick in crotched by the kids.


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