But Eastman and Laird, where are they?
 

I read some TMNT news on the official web site, i understand that Eastman and Laird don't help Mirage studios to create the new Series. Is it true?
If it's true when they stopped to help M. S.? i don't read it.

Why they allow Mirage studios to change, so deeply, the cartoon? :-?

I think the new series and the new toys are horrible! :dead:

i'm for the old era.

what are you talking about

i thought laird was heavily involved with the toys and the show

Excuse
 

Excuse me, but i know a very little english.

I undestood so in the official site. I can make a mistake!

Kevin Eastman has sold his interest in TMNT to Peter Laird. Peter Laird is now the sole owner of the franchise. He is a "Creative Consultant" in the new series. He wrote/approved a great deal of the episodes this season. The new show will be based off of the Mirage comics. Peter Laird is also over seeing the new TMNT merchandise and writing and shading the new TMNT comic from Mirage.

The old show, the Archie comics, and Next Mutation are dead and buried. I wish everyone would please accept this. You don't have to like it (as myself and other Mirage fans do) but please accept it. It's annoying to see every other post about "Where's Bebop?", "No Technodrome?", "I hope they eat a lot of pizza", or "Ninjara in the New Toon?". I really don't mean to come off like a jerk, but it is getting redundant and not to mention annoying.

Ratking i think the reason why there's so many posts concerning the old Cartoon, Archie and its Characters is that most of us grew up with that. That it is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to us. Thats what we grew up with and that's what we remember. I only found out about Mirage like a year ago. Now I have accepted that the new toon is radically diffrent from the TMNT i know and love but I will always miss that. The Turtles eating pizza, Hamato Yoshi muating into a rat named Splinter, The Turtle Van, The Technodrome, Bebop & Rocksteady & Krang are all things i associate with TMNT, and i always will Most of my friends and people i know feel the same.

I'm looking forward to the new toon and i think i'll enjoy it, but to me its like a remake or a reimaging of the Turtles. Because it's a diffrent TMNT that i know and grew up with.

I think the term you're looking for in terms of the old toon is "underground" (and maybe the Archie comic too).

You say you're tired of all these newbies asking "Where's Bebop?" yada yada. I'll tell you what I'M tired of: "Comic loyalists" like you bashing the old cartoon and the fans of it.

[sarcasm]NEWS FLASH: WE HAVE JUST RECIEVED INFORMATION THAT THERE ARE INDEED THOSE WHO ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT ABOUT THE ORIGINAL MIRAGE SERIES (MAINLY THOSE AROUND THE AGES 18-25) THAT GREW UP WITH THE ORIGINAL CARTOON AND TOY LINE ONLY! COULD THIS LEAD TO A TMNT FAN CIVIL WAR?[/sarcasm]

My point is, yes, you are coming off as a jerk, just as anarchistguy and anybody else giving lip about the original toon. If you don't like those posts, then simply DON'T READ THEM!.

I can't stress this enough times either: a TRUE TMNT fan is not one who likes the Mirage series ONLY nor one who likes the original cartoon ONLY, but rather one who loves both Mirage and original cartoon with the same unbridled passion.

Don't get me wrong, I look forward to this new series (ONLY ONE WEEK TO GO!!!!!) just as much as the next hardcore TMNT fan. It will be damn nice to see the way it should've been, and I'll be more than glad to call myself a "turtlemaniac" once again, and this time I'll have the chance to do so!

So stop the TMNT hate and can't we all just get along?

(One final message to you comic loyalists: if you hate the original cartoon so much, why are you even a member of this site, which is based off the first toon?)[/b]

What? you thought I wasn't gonna read what you just said. Just who the hell do you think you are, motherf*****?

Now that's what I've been trying to say all along, but I'm abit too passive to say it that way.

Ehi amico, piano con gli insulti, con chi cazzo ce l'hai?

(For What person do you write so?)

Okay, don't turn this thread into an arguement. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions. What really gets annoying is when people feel the need to have the same debate over and over again. This is the hundredth time we've had this Mirage comics/New cartoon vs. Old cartoon/Archie arguement. This debate is what's really dead. And beaten at that.

I really wish people would focus more on the essence of TMNT rather than the different universes. If these debates/arguements continue being disruptive, we're going to have to make rules concerning them, and we really don't want to have to do that.

I think Jeph and Rez got it down right. Theres room for all TMNT LOVE be it the the Mirage, Old Cartoon, Archie, Next Mutation, or the New Cartoon. Diffrent people like diffrent things and its ok to love it. But is not cool to go around bashing and making fun and saying somethings stupid cuz u don't like it. Like Rez said if u don't like it don't post.

Now, I don't hate the cartoon, but my answer to this is: It's the best TMNT forum I've ever seen! ;)

Wow, the above is news to me about Laird solely owning it. Wonder why that happened. And yeah, sorry to say folks...but Venus, Bebop, Vernon, and all the other reject mishaps from the ill begotten past are dead and buried. TMNT 2, TMNT 3, TNM, Archie, etc...all but a memory.

Long live the new show and the new TMNT revolution!
It's called evolution baby! Move on!

Also just wanna say I CANT STAND the new Mirage series...makes the Archie series look like the Dark Knight Returns. Thank goodness Pat Lee and Dreamwave are making a new modern take!
It's called evolution baby! Move on!

NEVER mess with Bebop you muppet reject. :wink:

Heh, well I will admit...I LOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEE the TMNT arcade game, and have fodn memories of Bebop and Rocksteady like everyone else. HELL, the OLD theme song is light years cooler than the new one...but still,
its definately time to move onto bigger and better things.

:roll:
Oh yeah that's real mature.

I'm for both, but I always prefered the comic (perhaps because I was a little older than the target audience :)). But I do own a crapload of the old cartoons, and did enjoy them, but now I feel it's the comic book's time to get some of the limelight. One more week.

It'd be cool if they did the new show based on the IMAGE comic turtles. Man, that would be some violent ish. Bahahah.

I too hate people who bash the old cartoon. You're a not a "true" fan if you only like a specific tmnt universe, everyone is a true fan if they like any part of it. I'd like to know who here actually read the comics when they first came out and didn't just read them cause they liked the cartoons and movies. I do not think the numbers would be too high if any at all. I have read some of the tmnt mirage and it is cool but I will always love the cartoon the most. It's what I grew up on and I will never forget those days. Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang are characters that I will truely miss in the new cartoon. They always could give me a good laugh. And I can understand why people might dislike them because they prefer it more serious which is why I loved the 1st TMNT movie. A perfect blend between the comics and cartoon. Plenty of action and great comedy, a movie that none of us will forget. I don't know how well the new cartoon is going to do but I hope it's good and they at least show some respect for fans of the cartoon. I just wish that we could all just get along and stop making fun of each other just because we like different TMNT universes better. It all depends on what you liked about TMNT the most and you should respect that.

I have very very fond memories of the cartoon, loved it for the first couple seasons(reruns of seasone one were my fave) The TMNT arcade game really epitomizes that cool era.

My comment is that as nice as the cartoon was at the time, its time for a revamped, new evolution based off the original comic and that is precisely what they have done. Obviously after a few seasons the TMNT cartoon went pretty south, if not before. And the Archie comics thing(at least the first year I read it) ouch!

Basically nostalgia is nice, but when I go to a website I want to see either the new TMNT look reflected or the more serious TMNT Mirage stuff...seeing continuously on the official site the 'rounded headed goofy cartoon' version just doesnt do it for me in thsi day and age. So yeah, I love the late 80's as much as the next guy, but its defintately time for a new era...one week to go! ^_^

Krang is based on the utroms right? So in a way....nah. Never mind.

Reznorite there was nothing inflammatory about my previous post. So do us all a favor and lose the sarcasm.

I was in no way attempting to create a Mirage vs. Original Toon argument. I was merely stating that I'm tired of people not getting the theme of the new toon (and for that matter the new direction of TMNT in general). This is a back to comic roots movement for the franchise. It has been made very clear that the new show will not be based off of the old one. The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

Don't ANYONE here tell me what a "true" TMNT fan "should" like. That's just absurd. I am a Mirage fan, but I acknowledge that some TMNT fans enjoy the other versions. I don't need to like "everything" to be a TMNT fan. By that definition we'd all be professing our love for The Next Mutation, the Image series, and the TMNT Christmas Special :).

Finally:
Why post on a TMNT website with a title referenced from the original toon? That's an easy one, because this is the best TMNT forum on the internet by far! Can anyone argue that?

[quote="Rat King"] The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

I agree with everything you said!

Let the new era of TMNT commence!

Hm... I'm going to enjoy the new TMNT series. I'm not gonna try to compare it to the old TMNT series (yet that will no doubt be impossible), but I am really exicted about February 8th!

You might not have thought so when you posted, but you still gotta watch what you say, and my response was the perfect example that just because YOU might not think it's inflammatory does not mean that it isn't.

Besides, I don't think it's your right to tell me what not to say. I'll respond to a post as I see fit.

I see by the "blah, blah, blah" you really took the time to read what I wrote. Whatever.

Why all the hate?
Why can't we just get along?
*sniff* I can't wait for the day an original cartoon fan can stand side by side with an original comic fan, who's standing by a Next Mutation fan without arguing over which is better...*sniff*

Seriously though, as someone who grew up with the old cartoon, I love it, and I'm obviously gonna miss many elements.
Will I miss the silliness and pizza and the like?
Prolly not.
Will I miss the cameos and other mutants?
You bet I will. If you ask me, that's where the new franchise took a wrong turn. Look at the relaunch of MOTU. A casual fan walking down the toy aisle looks at the new Tri Klops and remembers how cool his old Tri figure was, and how freaking awesome he looks now, and might pick one up for nostalgia's sake. Or, it may be enough to get him to start collecting the entire line.

Look at the new TMNT from a casual fan's eyes. They're gonna miss the old guys, like Bebop and Rocksteady. They might pick up the fab four, and shredder, but that's prolly where they'll stop.

I have to say that I kinda agree. What they've got now is good stuff. But where do they go? Where do they expand? If Playmates thinks that I want figures of the Purple Dragons they have to think again.
I want to see the old figures I had get reimagined. I wanna see Slash from someone else's eyes, redesigned to kick more major ass.
It's what made the MOTU relaunch so successful. It's fun waiting to see how they're gonna improve the old figs.
It's also not very smart of a marketing team. Who's an eight year old gonna want...a gang member, or a freaky mutant? I'd have to say mutant.

I don't think I ever liked the cartoon... Now, the Archies, on the other hand!


Aaand, trying to get this back on topic (hey kids, remember that? ;))I think it was like this: Kevin wanted to spend all his time on his own stuff, so instead of attributing to the Turtles almost non-existant shape, he let Peter have all ownership so that the TMNT in the future could be revived in a more efficient way :)

You are wrong, A Original Mirage fan who has read the comic from 84 could say that cartoon fans are not true TMNT fans. Im am not that peron.

Here goes my story again... As a kid, I loved archie and the cartoon. Back then at that age, I wouldn't have had any intrest towards Mirage. When the TMNT craze died, I, and many people around here forgot it.

I got back into it last summer, when I found the TMNT-files channel and started downloading the episodes. It was there when I got my first Mirage TMNT scans. I was sold. I bought all the Old Mirage, and Now My collection is pretty much complete.

What Makes me think Mirage is better than the Goofy cartoon? Basicly the fact, that I loved to found out, that the thing I loved most as a kid existed in a mature, well written form that is not ment for little kids. Real, intresting story lines ETC. It is truly the best format for the TMNT.

But comparing those is unfair. The TMNT cartoon was made for a kid's show, and as that it was great. Of course I can't judge it like kids would, for when I was a kid, I didn't care if the show was repeatitive or if the TMNT were too goofy, it was part of the thing I loved. Im sure kids today would love it aswell.

I will never forget the old cartoon, I had many good times with it. And there is nothing wrong in liking that show. It is perfect for children's entertainment. Still now it is a time of change, You should accept the fact that TMNT is somewhat returning to it's roots. as Ratking pointed out, this seems to be easier for Mirage fans.

You are
 

Yes Karpo you are right, but for example in Itlay there weren't comics (*), all the italian kids knew the Turtles only with the cartoon.
I'm a TMNT fan because (like all italian kids) i saw the cartoon!
I know Archie comics because i bought them in USA some months ago when i restarted to watch old TMNT TV shows.

(*) No editors never published TMNT comics, Italians don't know actually what are TMNT comics! :(

These are my opinions, please excuse me.

Archie was published in Finland, but Mirage never came here. I bought them all from US.

Italy, Itlay
 

For somethings Italy is a very beautiful Country, for others is very unlucky