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Raph's Girl 09-07-2007 05:22 PM

Winx Club
 
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4Kids TV has announced their Fall 2007 schedule along with a new new name for it's programming block, called "The Game Station." The new schedule starts this Saturday, September 8, 2007 and is as follows:

Winx Club - 8:00AM (September 8 to September 22, includes the series finale)
The Adrenaline Project - 8:00AM (New series, starting September 29)
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - 8:30AM (4Kids TV premiere)
Chaotic - 9:00AM (New episodes)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward - 9:30AM (New episodes)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward - 10:00AM
Dinosaur King - 10:30AM (New series)
Viva PiƱata - 11:00AM (New episodes)
Sonix X - 11:30AM

All times are ET. Check your local listings for availability.
Winx Club series finale...yep... season 3 is the last for the series. It go bye bye.

There's also apperantly a Winx Club musical popular in Italy and the Netherlands.

Raph's Girl 09-07-2007 05:29 PM

Winx Club The Movie!!
 
Coming to a THEATRE near you this December!! It's CGI!! OMG! I saw the trailer and it totally rox!!

See the trailer here:
http://www.winxclubthemovie.com/

Cure 09-07-2007 05:45 PM

INB4 Michi.

Aelia 09-07-2007 05:47 PM

A Winx Club movie? I might go see it, even though I'm not really a Winx Club fan.

ZariusTwo 09-07-2007 06:36 PM

Superman: Doomsday goes direct to DVD, and THIS gets a theatrical release.

Typical

Jester 09-07-2007 06:42 PM

Yeah, but with $9.50 movie tickets and $3.00 small sodas or pop corn, buying Superman: Doomsday is cheeper than seeing a theatrical movie.

The Terror of Death 09-07-2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 554897)
Yeah, but with $9.50 movie tickets and $3.00 small sodas or pop corn, buying Superman: Doomsday is cheeper than seeing a theatrical movie.

Who pays when they go to the movies? :shifty:

GK Punk 09-08-2007 12:28 AM

I actually liked the old Trailer better before they removed it. It had a lot more scenes and action shown. This has been known for about a year to Winx Club fans, because The creator stated in an interview that he was going to end the series and finish the story with the movie.

I'd still prefer it to be a traditional animated movie. The character designs are the main reason I like the show, and they look a lot better hand drawn compared to CGI. (Even though I like the way the movie looks.)

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 554895)
Superman: Doomsday goes direct to DVD, and THIS gets a theatrical release.

Typical

well, I think it Superman Doomsday was always intended to be released straight to DVD. I don't know about the UK but that's become a big thing here in the states over the last couple of years.

That and I don't think there's definite plans to release it in theaters here in the states. I know it is in Europe for sure though. My friend got the flier they were using to promote the movie at a film festival and it led us to believe there's currently no plans for a US theatrical release.

ThirdMarioBro 09-08-2007 12:40 AM

Its probably because of money. Vector based animation doesn't fly in theaters like it does on TV, and traditional animation is shunned by studios because of cost. That leaves CGI which is why is has unfortunately taken over the medium.

GK Punk 09-08-2007 12:44 AM

Yeah I figured as much. I do love that they look so close to their 2D Counterparts though. I think I just need to get more used to it.

Drtooth 09-08-2007 10:32 AM

Is...uhhhh... 4Kids so strapped for money they have to do this? Seriously! They couldn't even release KND the movie on DVD, let alone theaters, and some semi-obscure, not quite that popular Italian cartoon gets a big fancy release. They couldn't even dub the One Piece films when they had the licence..... and they release this? DBZ films get a small 2 theaters nationwide relase and.... forget it... forget it. But, seriously... WHY? I see the merchandise marked down to a penny, and it still gathers dust.

No Offense to the couple Winx fans, that is...

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Its probably because of money. Vector based animation doesn't fly in theaters like it does on TV, and traditional animation is shunned by studios because of cost. That leaves CGI which is why is has unfortunately taken over the medium.
But then again, they're flooding the medium with really lousy CGI shorts. pixar sees artistic vision, everyone else sees dollar signs. I ashamedly liked Barnyard, but that was more suitable for a TV/DVD release. However, Simpsons did quite well at the BO (until Superbad came out, and steamrolled them) and that's 2D. But then again, it has a big big household name attatched to it.

I could also go into how Japan releases every cartoon possible as a theatrical movie (look how bloody many DBZ has, and One Piece is on its 9th film). Even though, half of them are 30, 40 minutes and in a triple bill with 2 other cartoons. And a lot of the time they theatrically release clip shows. No joke.

But still.... WHY? If they're going for semi-obscure European animated features, why didn't they even aknowledge Asterix and the Vikings? not even on DVD.

Drtooth 09-08-2007 10:37 AM

as someone once said to me.... Tumbleweeds.

Reruns, and one "new" dubbed anime they're going to try to make a fad here, which won't stick. Yeah...... 4Kids.... uh.... don't get me wrong! I love TMNT... and dubs asides I'm glad I saw One Piece and Ultimate Muscle and Kirby and stuff.... but if you wanna see why you keep losing money left and right.... yeah.... just check it out.

Raph's Girl 09-08-2007 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 555015)
Is...uhhhh... 4Kids so strapped for money they have to do this?

4Kids has absolutly NOTHING to do with this film. The film was done by Rainbow S.P.A, the Italian company that created Winx Club and it's distributed by Tristar.

Spike Spiegel 09-08-2007 12:02 PM

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn.....

I may go to see this for the fun of it, but that show really bores me.

Buslady 09-08-2007 12:15 PM

And I thought the worst had come out...Bratz flopped really fast, I wonder if this one will too. ugh.
4 kids is screwed. They put crap on tv and turned TMNT into crap...what's next? Teenage Bratz Kirby Winx?
Whoever is putting this thing out, doesn't realise it's not that popular ...kids on the bus talk more about...*shudder* Bratz than Winx.

Buslady 09-08-2007 12:21 PM

10AM is the new eppie of TMNTFF in SoCal on 11. I dunno if it's different anywhere else.

Raph's Girl 09-08-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady (Post 555034)
10AM is the new eppie of TMNTFF in SoCal on 11. I dunno if it's different anywhere else.

Aye.. 10am is the new ep, 9:30 is a rerun and 10:30 is Pokemon er Dinosaur King (which has the original cast of Pokemon).... So if ya miss Veronica Taylor voicing Ash...just watch Dinosaur King...

Raph's Girl 09-08-2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady (Post 555030)
Whoever is putting this thing out, doesn't realise it's not that popular ...kids on the bus talk more about...*shudder* Bratz than Winx.

It may not be popular in the U.S but it's extremely popular in Italy (where the stage musical has been playing for several years).

gobo 09-08-2007 05:40 PM

I must have been reeeeeeeeeally bored... I read this whole dang thread. :-?

Drtooth 09-08-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 555046)
Aye.. 10am is the new ep, 9:30 is a rerun and 10:30 is Pokemon er Dinosaur King (which has the original cast of Pokemon).... So if ya miss Veronica Taylor voicing Ash...just watch Dinosaur King...


I mistook it for Digimon, myself. That Triceratops baby looks exactly like one of them.


Dinosaur King.... heh.... you know when you're dumped by someone you had a meaningful relationship with, and then you get drunk at a bar and pick up a complete slob on the rebound? 4Kids and Pokemon, right there.

Let us hope 4Kids Japanese Tv satellite surfing doesn't pick up Mushiking .

Man, losing pokemon, and no one wants to watch Yugioh anymore.... they really want to find a way to make kiddy card games work, don't they?

ThirdMarioBro 09-08-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 555024)
4Kids has absolutly NOTHING to do with this film. The film was done by Rainbow S.P.A, the Italian company that created Winx Club and it's distributed by Tristar.

You win the thread.

Now, when 4Kids lost Pokemon, it was a very happy moment for me. Pokemon games are awesome, but that TV show needed to rot in hell. Same goes with that Kirby cartoon. It ruined the franchise. Nintendo partnered with gutter filth to make a buck during the played out GameCube era. Fortunately, Smash Bros. is here to undo all of 4Kids damage to the character's public persona.

Drtooth 09-08-2007 08:17 PM

I actually loved the Kirby cartoon. Plus, oddly enough this was the only time I liked a 4Kid's theme song better than the Japanese one (Kirby, you are the tamborine of rainbows? Doesn't do it for me... sorry).

GK Punk 09-08-2007 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 555049)
It may not be popular in the U.S but it's extremely popular in Italy (where the stage musical has been playing for several years).

And other various countries. Winx is HUGE outside of the US. At one point, it was even getting the highest ratings on 4Kids TV's saturday block here in the states.

And the Italian musical is the best of them :P

Drtooth 09-09-2007 08:57 AM

So is this thing going to be released in the US? Cuz if it isn't, I'll Shutty uppy

GK Punk 09-09-2007 09:05 AM

No idea, it hasn't been announced for a US release yet. Just European countries so far. Going off of the Trailer, the voice cast for the english adaption sounds like the "UK" cast, not the US cast.

Time Mistress 09-09-2007 02:18 PM

Winx is okay. Few cartoons are ever aimed specifically at girls it seems, and when they do it's usually crap like Bratz, so even though Winx could be a lot better, it gets point for at least being watchable and trying.

Though I have to wonder, I don't think it's any coincidence that both this and the Tinkerbell/Disney Fairies movies are both coming out in December, I smell some competition brewing.

Speaking of Disney ,for those who have watched it, how does Winx compare to Disney's Witch in your eyes? Which is better?

GK Punk 09-09-2007 11:52 PM

I watch both, and like both. W.i.t.c.h. is a better show over all IMO. I'm not sure why it flopped so hard over here. W.i.t.c.h. seems a little more aimed at all genders and all ages, as where Winx seems more aimed at girls specifically.

I thought it was funny though, during the time that Winx was a hit here, and the dolls were the number 2 selling doll in the states (Bratz was best selling.) about a year and a half in to that, Disney Launched their Fairies line. Winx really made the fairy gimmick a big thing again. I am surprised that Disney hasn't launched a Disney Fairies animated series yet though.

Drtooth 09-10-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6 (Post 555209)
No idea, it hasn't been announced for a US release yet. Just European countries so far. Going off of the Trailer, the voice cast for the english adaption sounds like the "UK" cast, not the US cast.

Okay! 4Kids does have nothing to do with it. That's a relief. If it's in Europe, I'm all set with it! It's as far away from me as possible. I can sleep well tonight!

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Winx is okay. Few cartoons are ever aimed specifically at girls it seems, and when they do it's usually crap like Bratz, so even though Winx could be a lot better, it gets point for at least being watchable and trying.
I have a problem with shows aimed at girls. Not too many of them are anything besides Strawberry Shortcake knockoffs. To me, Winx borrowed HEAVILY from Sailor Moon. But I will say this, Sailor Moon is actually enjoyable. The one girl's specific show I liked was Pepper Ann. It was very well written, better than any of Disney's tweenage sitcoms. And boys could like it to. i'm all for abolishing the Girl/Boy gender roll cartoons.

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Though I have to wonder, I don't think it's any coincidence that both this and the Tinkerbell/Disney Fairies movies are both coming out in December, I smell some competition brewing.
I thought that John Lassiter was going to put a stop to it. He said it was "Unwatchable." After all, isn't he in charge of the animation department now?

GK Punk 09-10-2007 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 555448)
Okay! 4Kids does have nothing to do with it. That's a relief. If it's in Europe, I'm all set with it! It's as far away from me as possible. I can sleep well tonight!

Well, even if it does get released here, you wouldn't be forced to go see it or rent it, so you could still stay far away from it ;)

I just never understood hating something, just because you don't like it. it seems a lot of people that don't like Winx want to ruin it for others as well.

Drtooth 09-10-2007 11:10 AM

A lot of people that don't like what I like constantly ruin stuff for me. it's not new.

I bet you could find this online or if you want to go a different route, you could buy the DVD online and get a region killer thingy for your computer.

So I appologize. Enjoy the movie.

Time Mistress 09-10-2007 11:53 AM

I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon.

As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any.

I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too.

GK Punk 09-10-2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 555455)
A lot of people that don't like what I like constantly ruin stuff for me. it's not new.

I bet you could find this online or if you want to go a different route, you could buy the DVD online and get a region killer thingy for your computer.

So I appologize. Enjoy the movie.

Oh, no need to. I wasn't singling you out, just that mentality in general I don't understand.

That's what I'll end up doing. I have a TV That has a PAL setting, and a DVD player that is open region. I'm all sorts of ready. :lol:

I'd love to find the Italian Musical DVD one of these days.

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I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon.
Yeah, She-Ra and Sailor Moon have similar fan bases. I know that there is a lot of boys in Italy in to Winx Club though. I actually think (at least in my opinion) 4Kids extra-girlied out Winx for the US. The Rainbow SRL version is a bit different. (Comparable to how Sailor Moon was edited for America.)

I always say though, you shouldn't let gender decide EVERYTHING for you. If you like something, go for it. I mean, one half off my Room is covered in GI Joe, the other Half Winx toys.

Drtooth 09-10-2007 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Time Mistress (Post 555466)
I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon.

As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any.

It could be if done properly... but it probably wouldn't. I can just see it being a very girly cheaply made product. Like their sitcom line up... yuckka!

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I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too.
Here's something I've been saying for years. it's hypocritical to have strong female leads in a boy demographic cartoon, and horrible, weak, let's look pretty types as stars in grils cartoons. look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty, they pretty much set women back to preSusan B Anthony days, and look like terrible sluts doing it. The Barbie dolls try to make it look like women can be anything, and yet Bratz oversell them.

There are boys shows with bad girl characters shoved in for no good reason (we are TMNT fans... we know exactly who I'm talking about.... and it ain't April.) But then they do something wonderful, like X-men or something. Strong women like Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey. We need more role models like them. plus women like that make better characters anyway.

GK Punk 09-10-2007 01:11 PM

See, that's what I hated about Winx Club. I saw it once when it debuted and I assumed that's what the characters were like. After giving it a chance I learned the girls are A LOT stronger than it looks like on the Surface. The story has pretty much revolved around showing how much Growth Bloom has done as a person.

The first season begins with her thinking she's a normal every day girl, then discovering she has powers. The first half of the season was the other girls helping her out, as her powers seemed weak. Eventually she learned the full potential of her abilities and is pretty much a one man wrecking machine.

By season 3, she's very strong willed and isn't scared in the slightest of facing her enemies, or the unknown. She just jumps in head first like a real hero. Even on her own.

And then there's Layla. She's such a strong character a lot of fans joke she's a lesbian. She's also the only character that doesn't have a boyfriend, as she believes it's not necessary to be happy.

gobo 09-11-2007 04:14 AM

Well, I have seen Winx a number of times because I was too lazy to change the channel, but it's not for me. It bores me and the animation looks like they tried to cut corners by having about 15 frames per second. I wouldn't ridicule anyone for watching it though.

Plus, if Michi calls me up this December, and says, "Hey, gobo. Wanna hop a plane with me to Italy for the premiere of the Winx movie?", I'd be there... mostly because I'd be scared to tell him "no". :embarass:

What I've always wondered is why people always assume that anything with a team of magical girls is a Sailor Moon clone. While Sailormoon might have been the ground-breaking and definitive 'magical girl' series, I assume it was hardly the first.

And, if Winx was girlied-up for the US, I think that's the exact opposite of what they did with Sailor Moon. Have you ever heard the original Japanese music cues for that show? The Canadian music is what turned it from a "Jem & The Holograms" type glam/drama into a "Powerpuff Girls" type action/adventure.
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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 555488)
look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty

:o Those things are supposed to be pretty? They look like the daughters of cheap prostitutes. I had no idea they were supposed to be less than tacky...

GK Punk 09-11-2007 05:04 AM

Actually, I've seen the entire Japanese series of Sailor Moon, as well as the English adaption(s.) That show couldn't possibly get more girl'd up than it already was.

But what I meant was the episodes were edited in a way similar to the US edit of Sailor Moon. Such as a scene was removed in an Ep of Sailor Moon when Rei slapped Usagi to get her to snap out of depression. A scene was removed from US Winx Club where Musa gets fed up with Stormy, and slaps her hard across the face.

Other cases of that would also include complete re-writes, as well as episodes Jumble. The Italian version features an episode in Season 2 that re-starts the Musa/Stormy rivalry. The episode before it has a brief scene that shows Stormy and Musa having a bit of a Run in with eachother. The next episode expanded on it including them battling.

The US Version edited that all in to one episode, removing the build up to the confrontation. Another would be an Episode where Stella (<3) is bitchy to everyone for no reason. She was in a bad mood the entire episode and took it out on everyone. The US Version changed the dialogue to say "Stella upset some seniors so they spelled her."

Sailor Moon went through a good number of similar changes.

I Know mah Sailor Moon ;)
Been a fan even before the DiC dub was made. :) It's part of why I like Winx. it kind of gives me a nostalgia for watching Sailor Moon in some ways.

As for the Sailor Moon knock off comparison, I'd say it's inspired, but not a knock off. The Magical Girl genre pre-dates sailor moon by almost 30 years. Sailor Moon was modeled after a combination of Magical Girl anime, and Sentai. (Piece of Trivia for you; Naoko Takeuchi designed it with hopes of a live action drama TV series. Which is why the Sailor Moon revival of 2003 was Live action.) Iginio Straffi very well could have based Winx's transformation idea off of several shows.

On top of that, the only real comparison is the Transformation bit. Sailor Moon was more of a hero-in-the-real-world kind of deal. They concealed their identities. Alfea studends in Winx have no secret Identities. They use their magic to grow their wings, and every girl that attends Alfea can do it. (As the show rarely takes place on earth.)

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen.

Oh yeah, I forgot one of the points. When people ask me what Winx Club is like, i compare it to Harry Potter with Fairies. That's basically what the show is.

Drtooth 09-11-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6 (Post 555714)

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen..

Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

GK Punk 09-11-2007 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 555731)
Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

Oh god. I hate the US theme. The music in the Italian one is generally better overall. The Transform music is pure win.


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But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

I actually forgot completely about that show. I need to watch it again, I barely remember it.

Drtooth 09-11-2007 01:05 PM

Well, the original music is usually better than the American dub stuff... though I can't lie. I did like the US Kirby theme better than both Japanese ones (I love the second JP ending though).

Anyway, I loved Funky Cops, myself. The first episode where the villain was Paul Williams. Funny, bizzare stuff. Though I think the "End of Disco" episode was pretty campy for the show to do. I was pretty disappointed that out of 40 something episodes, they barely showed 10.

BubblyShell22 09-12-2007 01:22 PM

I am saddened to see Winx Club go. I really enjoyed it and thought it was awesome. This is the second show on 4Kids that has been pulled. Shaman King was pulled also, and I liked that one a lot, too. Oh, well. Now I just won't have to get up at seven on Saturday mornings after Winx ends, unless they show reruns. I did miss one ep.


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