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After watching a few episodes.. I just gotta say.. what's with the guys??

Mikey seems even more immature, more annoying, and he does that girly scream as often as he can. It seems whenever he does or say anything, he annoys the guys and they're like 'why do we keep him around anymore?'

And Raph... he's either always raggin on Mikey, or just anyone in general. Like the future made him worse cause every time he opens his mouth he's saying some asshole prick remark. What gives?

LOL, Mikey has always screamed like a girl from the very beggining. But I do agree that he has regressed into a much more immature version of himself

The turtles have always acted that way toward Mikey :ohwell: Although now in FF He seems to derserve it more.


Raph suffered the same fate as Mikey and was overly simplified. Nut Raph has always been a bit on the peevish side.

I guess I'm the only one who liked Raphael like that lol:lol:
Maybe it's because I'm not a Michaelangelo fan.:P

LOL, Yeah, after he's helped them all take down both Shredders, manifest the dragons in the Tribunal with them, aided in their defeat of every villain they've killed. I mean, those accomplishments were just as much his as they were the others'. He deserves as much credit as they do. Sometimes, when he is gloating in an annoying, unnecessary way, while I do believe he's in the wrong, I say to myself, like in Grudge Match..."Well, considering the way you guys treat him sometimes...what do you expect, that he's just gonna let you get away with it without some type of payback." However, I do like how they stood up for him in Graduation Day, that was a good momentary change of behavior...I actually accepted it when they were slapping him during that.

What brought this random outburst about?

Raphael hates the future. OK, so he has an attitude problem- period.

And Michelangelo sometimes does show some surprising moments of insight and maturity. It's just that FF seems to have less of those and more of goofball Mikey.

Donnie and Leo were not really changed.

I agree with that, Scandia. However, Leo hasn't really shone that much in this FF series. The only ep he got to himself was his story in "The Journal." I'd like to see at least one other episode where he's the focus.

That is the problem with the show... They genereally took the characters and did over exaggerate the characters' personalities. Now, i know Mikey is supposed to be a child and Raph's supposed to be an angry brooding teen...

But Mikey was turned into a very juvenile moron and Raph became a grouchy dingus.

But want to know why? The scripts were simplified for younger kids. Someone at 4Kids or Fox had the brilliant idea of cutting any of the depth the 2K3 series had, and replacing it with obvious stuff that is almost patronizing towards the audience.

I think "Class of 2105" was a good example of just taking something and simplifying it beyond belief. Yes. Mikey's a goofball. We get it.

I do admit, I like his Darkwing Duck-esque display of Jealousy in the Turtle Titan episode. But other than that he seemed like a slow witted 10 year old, and not the jokester he was before.

Raph just wants to break stuff and say how much he hates the future. now, this could have provided some good drama or something, but they went for pedestrian gaggery here. Once again thinking it was for a younger audience.

I mean 2K3 was surprisingly adult (not quite as dark and adult as the comics, but pretty much grown up more or less), but someone somewhere didn't want that.

Please, they pretty much act the same way in 2k3. You can find the same stuff in every season of tmnt. Enough with the out of character crap. If you actually watched the show you would know Mikey has matured more and Raph ALWAYS rags. But even Raph has matured some too. For one he has stopped whapping Mikey on the head.

And lets say your right and the turtles are acting differently. So what? The turtles are in a new environment and they are having new experinces. People tend behave differently when they their lives are changed so drastically.

I think they've made the characters somehow more shallow than they're in the 2k3 series probably to make the FF more child-friendly. After all, they want to sell more toys, don't they?

FF takes a step towards to the old toons in the sense that the characters are not "dynamic" in a way - they're just easily undestandable stereotypes, but they'll never come to a point where they crack any of those initial conditions or show some clash for some "inner growth" aspect or something seen in 2k3 (in example Leo's and Raph's relationship faced some changes).


This is just my (oddly described) opinion. FF is an interregnum after Ninja Tribunal (which felt occasionally quite heavy) but FF surely isn't what I want to see. On the contrary I was happy when I learned the 2k3-serie had much intense and "multi-levelled" characters than the old toon. Hopefully they'll stay intense.

So wait, how is this different than Mikey's girly screams during the Notes of the Underground arc?

Or how is Raph picking on Mike any different now than back in Season 4, where Mike constantly bragged about his Battle Nexus Trophy win and Raph would slap him or pull his bandana?

This stuff did happen in the early seasons, it might be more noticeable in FF, but don't act like they didn't do the same things before.

Simplest answer. It's just been re-kiddyfied for youngesters. I thought we had established this already.

Yeah, but ain't it a bit boring while that's like everything Mikey's and Raph's capable in FF when it comes to interaction or even generally bringing forward their attitudes or personalities? It's like something has been dropped out of them to make them fit in a more simple form.

It's kind of like what happened when the Comic Turtles were transformed into the Cartoon Turtles in the '80. Execpt in this 2k3/FF case the change is nothing as drastic as that was.

Well, Mikey did show some insight in Graduation Day: Class of 2105 when he realized that the video games weren't the things preventing him from training, it was himself. So, they still have Mikey gain some insight. I think they did this as others have said, because it's been kiddified for youngsters. I do hope the new direction is more toward 2K3.

I thought so too. I'm surprised you all talked about it this much.

Well, I think this was started because people like to have discussions.

Cmon, dude... you know that the world would end if this forum went one day without a "FF sucks" thread.

or me going a day without a stomach ulcer because of them. shesh and now a look at the future fans {wow I don't know what people where talking about this show being so bad I kind of actully like it since I can form my own opinion now since the internet died}:roll:

O_o ... Was I supposed to understand that?

Let Me Tell you a story:
"In the future the Internet will be replaced with a new way to connect to information, after the great message board wars of 2109 all message boards had been shut down causing rabid nerds to take their bickering, fighting and hatred to the streets.
After months of fighting they all but died and realized that their fighting was moronic and that they indeed where fans of the same thing yet had different opinions it was good and everyone lived happy with their own opinions."

That one was much easier to understand. ^_^ You should get that made into a move.

Sounds like a plan where's my agent. Somebody get Berny on the phone!:evilgrin:

I will say, It's not so much I think FF sucks, as I find it uneven. I liked it at first, but everytime they got interresting, they put in a bunch of fillers, and almost completely forgot that they were getting into something deep.

That said, I feel the biggest problem with the show was this. The characters were oversimplified. Now I can see them making the characters a little bit more carefree, since they no longer had to worry about Shredder and everything like that, and they knew they were coming home and such. But they made Mikey too juvenile, Raph too grouchy, and Splinter too corny.

I enjoyed some of it, and I thought most of the toys were cool... but I really hope they make the series more like what they had it with the rest of the series.

Why do you think Splinter is corny?

And as I have said before, FF does not suck. It is a good concept. I just wish they had more good storyline episodes.

I don't get how they could have screwed up FF. I mean it was the same crew unlike how Gargoyles's spinoff series was. Still, IMHO whoever came up with and/or wrote the dialogue for the villains--namely Triple Threat and Jammerhead--should never work in the animation industry again! :x
Anyway, I overall didn't think it was THAT bad but yeah, it was a big step down from our beloved 2k3 series. The elaborate continuity was lost and characters lost depth due to the writing suddenly becoming very heavy handed and simplistic. It took quite a while for the season to get going!
BTW, I strongly agree with what happened to Raph. I don't know how Lloyd (the producer), Roy (our director), Laird, or even Raph's VA couldn't notice the change in Raph. They changed him from one of the most complex and interesting characters in comic history into simply a one-dimensional hothead--and that he remained :roll:. I thought Don and Mike remained the same though but I don't think Leo showed his strong leadership ways until halfway through the series.
And of course I don't have to talk about the animation. It's shoddy, everyone should have seen it and noticed.

His obsession with soap operas. Once or twice mentioning he likes to watch them is funny... but making it every other thing he said was corny. I actually cringed in the movie when Splinter mentioned it.

I agree. And the charachters are a little too edged, and the coloration almost hurts my eyes.

But I love that they've made the Turtles different sizes. :tthumbsu:

cos the stupid writers dont have a real grip on their personalities so they feel they must totally overstate them and what everybody else said.

we know they're not REALLY that bad....

I agree with all of you. I don't care for Fast Forward at all because it lost what 2K3 had. I mean, we have no multiple story arcs, hardly any good villains (the exceptions being Darius and Sho'kanabo), and no opening narration. We also have a stupid battle cry that doesn't need to be said. The Turtles have their weapons out, so we know they're gonna fight, Why do they have to have a dumb battle cry? Those are the things that have irked me about Fast Forward. However, I still watch it 'cause it's the best that we have right now.

Okay, I only saw the soap operas being mentioned in three out of the 26 FF episodes:

- "Future Shellshock" has Splinter about to have his soap opera start in 5 minutes, so he tells Michelangelo that watching sci-fi is moot.
- "Obsolete" has Splinter stay behind to catch up on his soap operas.
- Another episode, not sure which one right now, has Splinter want to go to a museum where they are showing soap opera memorabilia.

Certainly not in every episode. And certainly not more than once in a given episode.

I do agree that he was a bit too quick to thwap Mikey in "Timing is everything". And he overall loses his patience with Mikey quicker than usual. I think that in the regular 2k3 run, Raphael gives him just about as hard a time. Granted, Raph complains about disliking the future in more than one episode- but at least he shows up for training and does not get sidetracked.

That would be "The Fall of Darius Dunn". :)

I'm surprised that the title of the thread has yet to be spell-corrected... :ohwell:

yeah, no kidding. I liked the suble depths the turtles had to their characters in 2k3 series. I thought that all four of the turtles had grown up a bit in 2k3. Raph was more mature and had become more of a team player and was had shown that he can easily take up the reins of leadership during a hectic situation, now he is back to being petulant and churlish. Mikey had just begone to mature and stop being such a slap stick character and learning a bit more humilty and and maturity. His evoltuoin took the longest in my opinion but right when it was making some head way and he was finnaly showing signs of coming into him self FF happened and he was reduced to being even more immature and embarassing than what he was in the first season. In the 2k3 series Mikey was immature and annoying but the series made it seem more nuanced than just mere immaturity and made it seem there was an actual reason behind his behavior at times. In FF Mikey is annoying and immature for no more reason other than he can be, with no reall reason behind it. :evil:

Yeah, they do act like Mikey is just piggy backing on the others work all the time rather than giving him credit for what he does alot of the time. But then maybe the others think that if they compliment him on his work that it'll go straight to his head and he'll get even more boastful than how he is right now. Its pretty hard to detect which pattern of behavior is the result of what. If Mikey acts all cocky and boastful because his brothers act in a "why do we keep him around" sort of way to get back at them. Or if the others act in a "why do we keep him around" sort of way because Mikey is so boastful and cocky toward them. Its hard to see what was the result of what :ohwell:

I think the Turtles want to give Mikey credit, but they're afraid he'll just rub it in their faces. I liked in Grudge Match how Leo said to Mikey, "You did good." He was giving Mikey credit for facing Kluh and being able to beat him.

one thing that I feel a little miffed about in this series is that Dontello hasn;t been given any real attention. Which I think, given the fact the fact the show is placed in the future with all this uber advanced technology , that the tech head would get some focus with him lavishing over it or something.

that is what I said in my post above. I think half of the reason the guys act in a "why the heck to we keep him around any more" way is because his behavior asks for it alot of the time. I doubt the turtles would be so dismissive of him other wise. :|