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Machias Banshee 03-31-2008 10:13 PM

The further exploitation and violation of Disney Films AKA...The Little Mermaid 3
 
I honestly did not know if this was posted anywhere on here, and the way some are on here, I fully expect a nasty verbal assault on this anyways.. :P

I honestly cannot believe that they could beat this dead horse any further. One of the final Direct-to-Video Releases to come from Disney (thanks to people in high places), it is not only the THIRD Movie... but it is a PRE-Quel!

Drama, violence, and the ever overdone Musical number!





Honestly, on one hand I'm intrigued to hear about Ariel's Mother. On the other -- My god, this is going too far with the post-pre-quadrels. Hans Christian Andersen NEVER saw this coming, and Poor Walt must be tired from spinning in his grave... :dead:

I know there's some animators and people who are more skilled and educated about the realms of animation and the film industry around here, especially concerning Disney. I'd just Love to hear what you folks think about this... :ohwell:

gobo 04-01-2008 12:16 AM

I actually saw this trailer on my DVD of Enchanted for the first time just last night when my neice insisted on watching it again, for the second time that weekend. (I was satisfied thinking of this movie as your typical parody except without quite so much perversion, but it's already starting to wear thin... :() While I wasn't particularly horrified or even disturbed by this trailer, I have to admit that I find Disney's insistence on making all their animated films into trilogies no matter how old they are quite sad and sometimes infuriating. But, it's no skin off my nose. I pretty much hate Disney anyway. ^_^

Raph's Girl 04-01-2008 01:36 AM

This film has been trying to get off the ground for 2 years. Im actually glad it's finally coming out. Finally we'll find out what happened to Ariel's mom! Will it be as sad as the script PAD wrote that Disney rejected for the comics?? I doubt it....but I loved PAD's script for the death of Ariel's mom....it was sad and poinient (sp?).

This is set a year before the events in the first film. Which really makes no sense since the animated series was set before the first film and her mother was never shown! Interesting that her name is Athena since some myths have Triton as her father instead of Zeus.

And after watching the trailer....So Athena was killed by pirates when Ariel was a baby....this somehow caused a ban on music in Atlantis??? Hmm....fascinating. Damn Ariel looks like her mom! And Marina = Ursula.

Basically this movie is more or less Ursula's origin story....can't wait to see this in August!

Ra 04-01-2008 01:52 AM

Heh, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it doesn't look half bad. I wouldn't mind sitting down and watching it if I have nothing better to do. What ruins it for me is that it's a prequel. Direct-to-Video prequel. Which pretty much takes half the fun out of it. Ugh...come on Disney! Release some new material for a change!

Fugitoid Jones 04-01-2008 03:28 AM

Yeah, it's dissapointing to see how badly Disney has run out of original thought. When you can't come up with a new idea for an animated film, just pound out some useless sequels! Oh well, the kiddies like 'em, I suppose. It's just I'd feel better if they were watching original, quality entertainment rather than unimaginative drivel.

ThirdMarioBro 04-01-2008 04:02 AM

On one hand, I'll probably end up watching it because I want to see what happens to Ariel's Mom. Why were they catching Mermaid's in nets? Dinner perhaps? Disgusting. One one hand, I want to see Ursula's origin story. On the other hand, the music rapes my ears, and the idea of another direct-to-video Disney movie makes me want to vomit. Sure, this is the last one, but why screw with The Little Mermaid--the godfather of the animation renaissance?

I'll probably wind up buying it anyway just to support hand-drawn animation. The medium is almost dead.

And Jim Cummings does not make a good Triton. Why the hell didn't they get Kenneth Mars? Too busy with Hanna Montana? Why break tradition? He's been in every other production.

Raph's Girl 04-01-2008 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro (Post 599486)
And Jim Cummings does not make a good Triton. Why the hell didn't they get Kenneth Mars? Too busy with Hanna Montana? Why break tradition? He's been in every other production.

I agree... Kenneth Mars is the ONLY person who can voice Triton. It's just weird hearing Tigger's voice come out of everyone's fave son of Poseidon (well my fave offspring of Poseidon is Pegasus but still....)

Scandia 04-01-2008 08:05 AM

Well I actually want to watch it. The Little Mermaid is one of my favorite Disney movies. Ariel rocks.

BubblyShell22 04-01-2008 08:30 AM

I'm actually interested in this prequel because a lot of unexplained things will get explained. Kenneth Mars works on Hannah Montana? What does he do? I hate it when voices are changed. Keep the originals if the original actors are living. That's the best way to go.

Drtooth 04-01-2008 09:02 AM

Everyone? CALM DOWN!!!!! This will be the last one they do. Unless they have an idea that will dazzle John Lassiter (who even had to come in and work on rewrites to Tinkerbelle), there won't be another sequal, midqual or prequal from here to the end of his reign as animation director.

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This film has been trying to get off the ground for 2 years. Im actually glad it's finally coming out. Finally we'll find out what happened to Ariel's mom! Will it be as sad as the script PAD wrote that Disney rejected for the comics?? I doubt it....but I loved PAD's script for the death of Ariel's mom....it was sad and poinient (sp?).
The fact that they were still working on it was the only reason why they didn't pull the plug on this one. But other than the 2 they were working on before Disney's buyout of Pixar, no other idea will go into production. Unless of course, they get a great idea, and (as I said earlier) they really wow Lassiter. But since they won't, NO MORE DTV CHEAPQUALS!!!! YAAHOOOO!!!

DrSpengler 04-01-2008 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 599487)
(well my fave offspring of Poseidon is Pegasus but still....)

Didn't Pegasus sprout out of Medusa's neck after she got decapitated? I thought that was his origin?

Sewer Bull 04-01-2008 09:55 AM

Disney's view on the Greek mythology has always been slightly deranged.

Mandi-chan 04-01-2008 10:40 AM

I'm torn with this one.

Some parts of it look good (Ariel's mom story, possible Ursula story...since, like others here, I feel that Marina will end up being Ursula.) But a lot of what I saw in that trailer bored the heck out of me.

Will it be as bad as The Little Mermaid 2 was? I hope not.

Raph's Girl 04-01-2008 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 599511)
Didn't Pegasus sprout out of Medusa's neck after she got decapitated? I thought that was his origin?

Pegasus was the offspring of Poseidon and Medusa. Medusa was preggers with Pegasus when her head was cut off and Pegasus strangly popped out from Medusas neck or sprang from her blood (which mingled with the sea foam) Pegasus also has a twin brother named Chrysoar (who was born human)

All horses are descended from Poseidon for some strange reason.

Machias Banshee 04-01-2008 08:37 PM

Looking back at the older movies, Disney was pretty good about keeping to the storylines of well known tales, i.e. Snow white, sleeping beauty..

I have always loved mythology, greek, roman, Egyptian, all of it. When I saw what they did with the Little Mermaid story and THEN Hercules....

HERCULES! The whole backstory, Hera (Not his mother), Pegasus, everything... I just about died inside. Hercules (depending on which version you look at) went through trials from hell, had Megara as his First wife (slayed her and the kids) and Deianeira as his second, and ended up poisoned to death. No happy fat lil satyr re-enacting Rocky films... More

And once again, I'm getting off topic... :oops:

The backstory of Ariel's mother intrigues me. I just hope they can do it tastefully, yet not sugarcoat the whole thing. I mean, the original story of little mermaid has her sisters visiting the land once a year, and when she pleads to her grandmother (Not quite ursula) to let her be human, she's mute, BUT she's also under excruciating pain from walking (like on knives), and if she doesn't succeed, she turns to sea foam. Sebastian definitely was NOT around, nor was Flounder to sing and pee himself if a snail swam by...

Maybe I'm just too sensitive...? ;)

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My one big hope with the Disney changes is that they put an end to this story plotline of overtalkative characters, dirty jokes and the usual bad ending music video of some old 70s or 80s song... :ohwell:


...PAD script? What exactly is this, and can you find it online?

Peanut 04-01-2008 09:06 PM

Yeah, I would have loved to see the Disney movie based off of the "true" story of Hercules. That would have went over really well. :roll:

Jester 04-01-2008 09:12 PM

I have to ask what the big difference between the Disney and HCA Mermaid?

*edit: I see it, but it really that far removed from the movie? I mean how many books are truly adapted to movies? *he says after reading the novel "I am Legend"

Machias Banshee 04-01-2008 09:21 PM

Of course I wouldn't want to see the true story of Hercules... It'd give kids nightmares. But can you imagine those same kids trying to explain mythology in Literature class? It'd be like a Jerry Springer Special.. :embarass: :lol:

The difference in story-telling, between Snow White and how they do movies today is really kinda surprising. It's like we need to protect kids from stories now... :ohwell:

Raph's Girl 04-01-2008 09:27 PM

The Hans Christian Anderson version of The Little Mermaid:

1: Her name was Serena
2: She DIES cuz the prince falls for somebody else
3: She becomes a wind goddess
4: After a series of trials she eventually gains a soul (cuz uh merfolk are souless monsters) and goes to heaven.... all cuz she didn't kill the prince like her sisters wanted her to
5: Oh and her sisters are now bald cuz they exchanged their hair for a knife to kill the prince. :lol:

Jester 04-01-2008 09:32 PM

Dang.....and I thought "I am Legend" was off....

DrSpengler 04-01-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 599585)
Pegasus was the offspring of Poseidon and Medusa. Medusa was preggers with Pegasus when her head was cut off and Pegasus strangly popped out from Medusas neck or sprang from her blood (which mingled with the sea foam) Pegasus also has a twin brother named Chrysoar (who was born human)

All horses are descended from Poseidon for some strange reason.

Damn, now that's an element to the myth I *didn't* know.

So Poseidon plowed Medusa? Good heavens, man, have some standards!

Jo Dawn 04-01-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee (Post 599679)

The difference in story-telling, between Snow White and how they do movies today is really kinda surprising. It's like we need to protect kids from stories now... :ohwell:

I hear ya. They kiddify kids stuff. Before I was born my grandparents bought me a huge collection of the ORIGINAL stories of all these. Great stuff. I'm glad I own them. And now I want to go read them.

Peanut 04-01-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 599683)
Damn, now that's an element to the myth I *didn't* know.

So Poseidon plowed Medusa? Good heavens, man, have some standards!

Greek Mythology is really nothing but a giant orgy, usually bookended by a ridiculous birth or brutal killings.

Raph's Girl 04-01-2008 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 599683)
So Poseidon plowed Medusa? Good heavens, man, have some standards!

Keep in mind that Medusa and her sisters (Stheno and Euryale) were once beautiful. Medusa was raped by Poseidon in Athena's temple and as punishment Athena cursed her with snakes for hair. Medusa was also the only one of her sisters who was mortal.

Oh and Medusa was Poseidon's cousin. Her parents were the Phorcys and Ceto, a brother and sister who were offspring of Gaia and Pontus (who in turn was a son of Gaia).

As I always say Incest is the best when it's family.

Tinuvielsdreams 04-02-2008 08:51 AM

I am not huge on the Disney sequels, there are a handful I have liked...One of which was the Peter Pan sequel probably because it went to theaters and the animation and visuals were great.

This is pretty much where all the 2D animators (from Disney) have left to go, this and toon Disney TV series.

This prequel looks interesting, a back story of one of Disney's most popular films would be nice. Now why didn't they do that instead of the other sequel about her future daughter? I could have done without that.

As for the HCA little Mermaid I remember the other animated mermaid movie from when I was a kid where she did die at the end. Is that movie a direct story adaption? Does anyone else remember it?

Drtooth 04-02-2008 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut (Post 599676)
Yeah, I would have loved to see the Disney movie based off of the "true" story of Hercules. That would have went over really well. :roll:


Disney doesn't do acurate. Never has. They changed absolutely everything in every film. I remember hearing the author of 101 Dalmations wasn't too happy.

I'd kill for another animation studio to do that Hercules, though. something closer to the most common version of the myth.

DrSpengler 04-02-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 599768)
Disney doesn't do acurate. Never has. They changed absolutely everything in every film.

With the exception of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. They actually retained the ending in which Ichabod "diasppears", the Headless Horseman wins and Brahm Bones gets the girl. Very unDisney-like and a reason why its my favorite Disney flick.

Raph's Girl 04-02-2008 04:06 PM

The Hercules film pissed me off. Gods that was lame. Hera as Hercules mom?! WTF?! Seriously Disney what the frak where you thinking?!

Cinderella could not have been done accuratly since the original tale is from Egypt. Most of the Asian versions of the tale involve magical fish (Cinderella becomes a nun in the Japanese version).

In the Brother's Grimm version tho...there's no fairy god mother....it's a magical tree that grows on Cinderella's mother's grave. And the step-sisters become blind when pigeons peck their eyes out and they became blind beggars.

Now Aladdin was kinda done right. Except that in the original tale he was Chinese, his mother was alive, and Jaffar had a wicked brother.

Sleeping Beauty is well... close....except her mother dies of a broken heart thinking a prince will never come to wake up her daughter. *lol*

Snow White: Disney...um.. you forgot the sister.... I like the "Fables" take on the tale. Snow White was raped by the 7 dwarves and when she married the prince (who later cheated on her with Rose Red) he taught her how to use a sword and Snow White killed the dwarves in revenge.

Jester 04-02-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinuvielsdreams (Post 599766)
I am not huge on the Disney sequels, there are a handful I have liked...One of which was the Peter Pan sequel probably because it went to theaters and the animation and visuals were great.

Don't forget Rescuers Down Under. It is by far the best Disney sequal, and it also was theatrical.

Revan 04-02-2008 04:30 PM

The Lion King 2 did quite well also

Jester 04-02-2008 04:31 PM

Release.....me.....

Cure 04-02-2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 599876)
Don't forget Rescuers Down Under, by far the best Disney sequal. It was also theatrical.

Uh...there's also this movie called Toy Story 2. Maybe you've heard of it.

Dr. Doom 04-02-2008 04:38 PM

Amen to that. I only saw it like once, and I really don't remember much of anything that happened in it, but I remember it was good times.

Jester 04-02-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCure (Post 599882)
Uh...there's also this movie called Toy Story 2. Maybe you've heard of it.

Ok, that's true, but I was thinking just traditional Disney animation and not Disney/Pixar (which if I remember right, they've all been pretty good. Has a Pixar film flopped?)

Dr. Doom 04-02-2008 04:54 PM

I dunno about "flopped", but I'm sure more than one has failed to meet expectations (Ratatouille was one of them, I think)

Revan 04-02-2008 04:57 PM

Ratatouille won an Oscar for best animated film

Dr. Doom 04-02-2008 04:57 PM

Yes, I'm aware.

I seem to recall it not making as much money as was expected of it.

Cure 04-02-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom (Post 599891)
I dunno about "flopped", but I'm sure more than one has failed to meet expectations (Ratatouille was one of them, I think)

Sheesh. It got over $200 million in the box office.

gobo 04-02-2008 04:59 PM

That doesn't necessarily mean it met expectations. Maybe they 'expected' it to win the presidency or something...

Dr. Doom 04-02-2008 04:59 PM

Yeah, I dunno, it's weird like that. I wasn't certain, but I seemed to recall something about Ratatouille not doing as well as they wanted it to.


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