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GK Punk 04-03-2008 02:11 PM

New DC Cartoon The Brave and the Bold
 
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/ne...ullnews&id=115

Should be (SHOULD BE) A great show.

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Batman isn't going at it alone this time! From Warner Bros. Animation comes the latest interpretation of the Batman franchise. Our caped crusader is teamed up with heroes from across the DC Universe, delivering nonstop action and adventures with a touch of comic relief. Blue Beetle, Green Arrow, Aquaman and countless others will get a chance to uphold justice alongside Batman. Though still based in Gotham, Batman will frequently find himself outside city limits, facing situations that are both unfamiliar and exhilarating. With formidable foes around every corner, Batman will still rely on his stealth, resourcefulness and limitless supply of cool gadgets to bring justice home.

The Terror of Death 04-03-2008 02:24 PM

I wish they would go for a more modern approach with the designs. But as long as the story is good I wont complain. And 26 episodes is alwayys plus for me.

ZariusTwo 04-03-2008 02:53 PM

Nobody messes with Adam We!

Raph's Girl 04-03-2008 07:32 PM

I just hope they cast some good folk to voice the characters.

And after looking at the first images.... looks like Blue Beatle will be in this...and Green Arrow looks weird without the Goatee.

Hero 04-03-2008 07:41 PM

I hope The Batman will continue as well.

===HERO

Raph's Girl 04-03-2008 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hero (Post 600277)
I hope The Batman will continue as well.

===HERO

It won't... the series ended for good last month. Batman: Brave and the Bold is the replacement series.

Hero 04-03-2008 09:04 PM

That really is a shame.

===HERO

Drtooth 04-04-2008 08:56 AM

I'll say I'm shocked they redesigned them. After all those Batman/JLA crossovers in the last season of The Batman, it would have seemed natural to continue those designs... Of course, I never really cared for that style they used, that Jackie Chan Adventures blocky angular style stuff.

Being only on CN confirms my suspicions 4Kids ain't gonna even try to keep Kid's WB's shows at all.

GK Punk 04-04-2008 01:36 PM

I kinda wish it wasn't Jamie as Blue Beetle. The really old school Green Arrow is pretty awesome though.

Raph's Girl 04-04-2008 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GK (Post 600374)
I kinda wish it wasn't Jamie as Blue Beetle. The really old school Green Arrow is pretty awesome though.

Yeah...that doesn't make any sense. Pre-Crisis Green Arrow with the current Blue Beatle??? WTF? They need the Ted Kord one so there could be an ep where Batman teams up with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

GK Punk 04-04-2008 02:22 PM

I absolutely agree. Blue and Gold for the ultimate in win.

Jon 04-04-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth (Post 600348)
Being only on CN confirms my suspicions 4Kids ain't gonna even try to keep Kid's WB's shows at all.


And how exactly does it "confirm" that? Afterall, Warner has been alternating shows between the 2 stations.

ZariusTwo 04-04-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 600375)
Yeah...that doesn't make any sense. Pre-Crisis Green Arrow with the current Blue Beatle??? WTF? They need the Ted Kord one so there could be an ep where Batman teams up with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

The current Beetle is awesome. Kord fans are typically protective of "their" Beetle, but he's back in the comics now. I'm sure theyll eventually have an episode about him and Booster meeting Jamie

DrSpengler 04-04-2008 08:16 PM

Isn't Ted "off-limits" to television animation or something? I recall Timm and co not having access to him during JLU. Perhaps the same problem is still in effect, hence their use of Jamie.

Raph's Girl 04-04-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 600417)
Isn't Ted "off-limits" to television animation or something? I recall Timm and co not having access to him during JLU. Perhaps the same problem is still in effect, hence their use of Jamie.

So there's a restriction on Ted Kord??? Well um... maybe they could use Dan Garrett then... I don't like Jamie...

Drtooth 04-05-2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon (Post 600384)
And how exactly does it "confirm" that? Afterall, Warner has been alternating shows between the 2 stations.

That and the fact the Kid's WB produced Warner Bros. animation shows have all been cancelled this year. They may keep Spiderman, and a couple of the outside produced series, but I feel we'l just get shows they can make money off of, meaning ones they produce. But if they do plan to keep some of Kid's WB shows, I really hope Skunk Fu isn't one of them.

ThirdMarioBro 04-05-2008 02:04 PM

I haven't watched an animated series since TMNT 2003 jumped the shark, but if this doesn't suck as much as The Batman did, I'll give it a glance.

Jon 04-05-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro (Post 600616)
I haven't watched an animated series since TMNT 2003 jumped the shark, but if this doesn't suck as much as The Batman did, I'll give it a glance.


Oh well, that's actually too bad (you deprived yourself of cartoons just based on that).
As there have been (snd still are) some pretty good ones (even The Batman has been).

ToTheNines 04-05-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro (Post 600616)
I haven't watched an animated series since TMNT 2003 jumped the shark, but if this doesn't suck as much as The Batman did, I'll give it a glance.

Out of curiosity, when would you say that was?

poiuytre 04-05-2008 08:20 PM

The Green Arrow looks so kooky without the goatee. I don't care much for the style, but it doesn't sound that bad.

Peanut 04-06-2008 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 600688)
Out of curiosity, when would you say that was?

The second season? lol

ToTheNines 04-06-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut (Post 600749)
The second season? lol

Season 2 wasn't as good as the first, but I still liked it. I quit watching it religiously during the 3rd season, but I'd check it out from time to time. The cliffhanger ending of season 4, the new movie, and me finally getting into the comic books rekindled my TMNT interest and now I never miss an episode.

Raph's Girl 04-09-2008 01:01 PM

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stori...4/09/index.htm

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Diedrich Bader is providing the voice of Batman in Cartoon Network's Batman: The Brave and the Bold animated series, The Continuum has learned.

Cartoon Network has yet to confirm Bader's casting. Recording for the series -- announced last week -- started more than a month ago.

Bader, 41, is probably best known as Oswald from a nine-year run on The Drew Carey Show. He recently starred in the No. 1 film Meet the Spartans.

Bader's many animation credits include Zee in the Batman Beyond spin-off, The Zeta Project, and more recently as Shadow Thief in The Batman.
WTF?! Are they out of their bloody minds?! No...just....no... He doesn't have the right voice for Batman let alone Bruce Wayne!! He's got too much of a whiney voice! ARGH!!! :ohwell:

Drtooth 04-09-2008 02:52 PM

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Diedrich Bader is providing the voice of Batman in Cartoon Network's Batman: The Brave and the Bold animated series, The Continuum has learned.
WOWSERS! Talk about going in a different direction. I would have bet on whoever voiced him this time around, continuity of the Batman or not. Seems he'd be perfect for a number of people other than Batman (and I don't mean think about his character in The Drew Carey Show).

If they get Ryan Styles to play Robin, however.....

ZariusTwo 04-11-2008 02:00 AM

http://drawman.blogspot.com/

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It seems that the last few posts I have posted on the blog in regards to the situation of the comic biz and the Babymen has hit a cord with many, many of my fellow comic fan and professional as well. I guess these are thoughts and feelings I have been dealing with and stirring around in my head, steering around as well as a professional. As a kid the batman show was such a big event, everybody was so excited to watch it every week, both my brother Dave and I were just fixed on it and the other Irwin Allen shows. It seemd to be a cool thing, popular and we didn't take it as being silly or feel they were getting the essence of the character wrong, and ok, I was like 7-8 years old. But those shows fuled my playtime as well and Dave and I had plenty of action figure including the Captain Action withe the Batman disguise, Corgi batmobiles, etc.That's what this new Batman Brave and the Bold is supposed to be, the same thing I'm sure the network and toy producers want.


If you are 30 years old and angry that some cartoon on TV isn't getting the character right because it's aimed at kids, designed for kids---then you have a serious ****ing problem, and the cartoon is the least of it! The good stuff, the good cartoons, stuff Timm and Crew did can be enjoyed by a kid, or even adults, and that's great. But we have Adult Swim and shows like Venture Brothers where the whole thing is to aim at us adults using the familaiar icons of the past. That's part of the joke. And you caan have the draker edge in the batman films, but I still think if you go too far you eventually weaken the concept , corrupt it and then you loose the heart. you also make it seems like eveything else...

The recent passing of Charlton Heston also fits and flows into this all as well. Heston was really to my mind the prototype-action hero we have today like Arnold, or had I should say, the current crop of soft, pretty featured Hollywood leading men being more like girls standing in wet panties compared to Heston. It might be a byproduct of getting older to look back and think things were 'so much better back then." But in many cases or at least in comic and film I think they were, sure there was a lot of crap, but there is a lot more of everything now and a higher percentage of it is crap, and very expensive crap. Sure Soilent Green is a fun, kinda' cheesy movie, like Planet of the Apes. Like Kamandi was. Fun. A fun comic for a 10 year old kid like me who also happened to like Soilent Green and West World. But if you took those concepts today, that idea and try and sell it to the Babymen crowd, forget it. It can't be fun, nope, all one note, retread, grim gritty. You have to take Soilent green and show the people being turned into food in as gross and ghastly as possible, you leave so little to the audiences imagination...no participation.

I have read things like One Piece and Narrutto and Death Note and they, the Japanese are doing with the medium of comics what we used to do as an industry and don't now. they make stories that appeal to different levels of maturity and for people who like different genres as well. Hell, just for different people period! At one time it was pretty standard here. You had Kirby who appealed to a kid, then maybe Neal Adams who appealed to the older reader, and then you could even step up, Dr. Strange, Warren mags or even undergrounds like Zap, Slow Death, etc. You has Mary Worth, Blondie, Eek and Meek, Steve Canyon, Dick Tracy, B.C., Peanuts all on one page and nobody seemd to get outraged or upset at one being silly and one being "real". people just read them and accepted them all in the 'world of cartoons". That day with strips is sadly gone too as we all have been reading about the steady decline of the American newspaper. And more people read strips than ever read comic books and adults bought the papers and the material was aimed at them, kids also loved the stuff too, but the direct market is so anti that idea.

The equivalent of those books from the pre-direct market today struggle to sell 1500-10,000 copies, I know, I've worked on many and have friends like Rick Remender who does too, and works hard at it.

There is also a pretentiousness today in comics that there wasn't back in the 60's, 70's and 80's that is very apparent today in comics. It's ironic I think, that while I feel the comic biz is in some respects in it's worst state in many regards as a profession, ( no effective raise in page rate since the mid 90's) and as a biz, comics have never been more "in the news", more accepted, more popular. So, why is there this disconnect between the popularity of comics as a medium, being adapted into films, TV, graphic novels coming into their own, being actively purchased by librarians and librarys all over, appreciated by popular and learned minds, read the world over by millions in strips, manga, etc., yet the average comic shop, the Walled City of Babymania is like some ghastly blighted backwater full of the mentally, socially "tarded" and most importantly, business wise the village of the damed!

Dammed if you can find anything much beyond the offerings of the top tier of the Big Two-Three publishers in the average strip mall comic shop. Dammed if you can find any manga, any humor books, dammed if you can find the owner who's interested in selling more comics, growing his business.

If these guys owned a supermarket they wouldn't stock Milk, or Eggs or anything but the three types of food they liked, forget having a selection, forget advertising, forget inventory, tracking sales, etc.
In this set-up, how can the business have a hope of surviving long term? The fact is there are a few good retailers out there, and we know them all. it's about 300-400 shops tops. They order well, order a variety, have a good staff, have a store that people would feel good going into if they were a teen, a kid, dare I say...a girl or a woman. Those shops order the Indy book, the alternative books, stock manga, put it in the front, have books for a wide audience, like a regular book store. But there are not enough of these shops to offset the negative or bad shops and that's why all the indy cartoons make little or no money, why you don't have more Bones, or Stranger in paradise, etc. that's because there is not enough good shops to support an artist or writer making this type of book. The retailers just won't ****ing support you, even if they could sell your book in some cases. They don't care, they don't want your business. Nobody seems to be really talking about this stuff, about the real 8 million pound gorilla flinging **** in the room. Without growth, and continued attrition at what point does the tip point, shark jump, Kirk beam up for the last time? I know some people will read this and say i am the angry guy holding the sign saying the end is near...and first I am not really angry, more resigned, and also I think just saying how things really look in maybe a more realistic way than many people in comics do. I thinks it's partly because of the mindset of being insulated from reality, comics is very insular, and the fantasy that we will be saved.That soething or that Superman will somehow save us. And why aren't more people with a lot more at stake in this game than I have feeling the same way, and more importantly talking about it?

I don't see hundreds of new shops opening or hundreds of new faces in the cons or in the shops. It's the same dam people.

last year something happened. I didn't go to the comic shop for 8 months, the longest time I have gone without buying or looking at a single new comic book since I stared buying them as a kid and certainly the longest run as a pro of not venturing into a shop. And guess what---I missed nothing. Same grim heroes "posing". Sure, there are some swell comics out there and I picked up a reprint of Scalped my fave current comic, and the Gorlon Parlov Punisher comics and a few hex comics by Brenet I missed, some few Hellboy's and Hellboy related stuff like the Abe Sapien comic, Umbrella Academy, an Ashely Wood comic, but dame the mainstream Marvel, DC stuff just seems so unappealing. I just look at stuff and put it back and wonder how anyone but the hard core 50k fans will even want to buy this stuff? I did see other stuff I liked but frankly now I wait for trades, I just have too much crap I need to get rid of as it and then i have these piles of comics sliding around now and it's a mess and a hassle.

Nobody that know of has posted any numbers on how many comic fans we have left. And by this I mean direct market fans? I say it's 150K tops since the average books sells what-- well under 50K now and the top books sell 100k or so. I figure if the top book sells 150k, that means the fact is there must be 15-20k of those issues bagged as extra copies, as store stock, etc., because these guys still think this **** will be worth something. From the numbers I see posted on the Beat and elsewhere and from my own info from fellow pros and people in the trenches the numbers today suck sliced donkey meat! I think the average cartoonist today, especially the new guys and gals coming up might seriously do better to put ether work up on-line in color for free to build a readership and not waste the thousands of dollars to try and sail that boat in the stagnate, hostile direct market. More about that in my next post.
Pay attention: This man speaks the truth, and is likely kicking your Grandparents in the sides because he doesnt want YOU acting like them at the age of twenty-nine.

Drtooth 04-11-2008 09:34 AM

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If you are 30 years old and angry that some cartoon on TV isn't getting the character right because it's aimed at kids, designed for kids---then you have a serious ****ing problem, and the cartoon is the least of it! The good stuff, the good cartoons, stuff Timm and Crew did can be enjoyed by a kid, or even adults, and that's great. But we have Adult Swim and shows like Venture Brothers where the whole thing is to aim at us adults using the familaiar icons of the past. That's part of the joke. And you caan have the draker edge in the batman films, but I still think if you go too far you eventually weaken the concept , corrupt it and then you loose the heart. you also make it seems like eveything else...
Heh. I can attest to that. Problem is, Warners seems to be focussing almost exclusively on DC comics at this point. And Scooby Doo. Honestly, it's hard to tell if they're trying to please kids or please adults with some of these shows. The only things they really wanted to created that would appeal to the oldest demographic they have are those DTV's.

gobo 04-11-2008 12:24 PM

Diedrich Bader? XD This'll be interesting... ^_^

Raph's Girl 04-11-2008 05:56 PM

Welp... It's confirmed. World's Finest got a confirmation that Deidrich Bader is indeed voicing Bruce Wayne/Batman.

Also confirmed is the release date for the series.... March 2009. ARGH!! :o So much for it premiering this fall. :ohwell:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/ne...ullnews&id=123

Raph's Girl 07-11-2008 12:08 PM

New pics are up!

The new ones feature Red Tornado and Plastic Man. Im not so sure about Red Tornado's look in this. :/

http://legionsofgotham.proboards70.c...ad=5265&page=1

Drtooth 07-11-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 621110)
New pics are up!

The new ones feature Red Tornado and Plastic Man. Im not so sure about Red Tornado's look in this. :/

http://legionsofgotham.proboards70.c...ad=5265&page=1

Should be interesting. After all, they were trying to get Plastic Man into another series for quite some time. Really disappointed that the one based on the Kyle Baker (I got that right, right?) comics was just an unsold pilot.

And then Warners had the audacity to come up with Coconut Fred's Fruit Salad Copyright Infringement.

ZariusTwo 07-12-2008 12:39 PM

We're Animaniacs...

KROW 07-12-2008 01:39 PM

I think Bader's got a good voice for Batman, especially since Bats is donning those retro threads.

Spike Spiegel 07-12-2008 03:38 PM

KROW, you're BACK!!! Your avatar is interesting...

I wish this show was coming out sooner, too.

KROW 07-12-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marty McFly (Post 621306)
KROW, you're BACK!!! Your avatar is interesting...

Rejoice! :P It's Ace Rimmer, baddest bloke to cruise the infinite dimensions.


I just saw that link with Plastic Man (missed it earlier :goofygri: ). I gotta say, I like that. I would never expect a duo of such imbalance, even after reading "The Dark Knight Strikes Again."

Drtooth 07-12-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KROW (Post 621316)


I just saw that link with Plastic Man (missed it earlier :goofygri: ). I gotta say, I like that. I would never expect a duo of such imbalance, even after reading "The Dark Knight Strikes Again."


Something tells me he won't be as wacky as you'd expect. But then again, we know nothing of the tone of this show. It could be a lot more playful than previous DC cartoons (except Teen Titans, which was very playful, especially at the beginning).

Raph's Girl 07-17-2008 02:11 PM

Casting news:

Tom Kenny - Plastic Man
John DiMaggio - Aquaman

Perfect casting!! :D

DrSpengler 07-17-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 622356)
Casting news:

Tom Kenny - Plastic Man
John DiMaggio - Aquaman

Perfect casting!! :D

Kenny voiced Plastic Man in the pilot for a Plastic Man series that never got picked up. I thought he did a great job.

DiMaggio, though...I just can't see him as Aquaman.

ToTheNines 07-17-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 622356)
John DiMaggio - Aquaman

Perfect casting!! :D

That can't be right...

Drtooth 07-17-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 622359)
Kenny voiced Plastic Man in the pilot for a Plastic Man series that never got picked up. I thought he did a great job.

DiMaggio, though...I just can't see him as Aquaman.

I was just about to say the same thing, actually. It's really funny that they have one reused voice actor. But then does it count if the pilot wasn't picked up? I wish this series would be a springboard for that series to pop up. I was pretty disappointed by the Plastic Man episodes that popped up on youtube.

Raph's Girl 07-23-2008 03:57 PM

A new image! Aquaman and Batman vs Black Manta!

(image is HUGE)

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF...ry/aquaman.jpg

Casting news!

Billy West and Tom Everett Scott will be reprising their roles as Skeets (Billy) and Booster Gold (Tom) from JLU!.


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