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poiuytre 05-11-2008 09:41 PM

"Shut up and blah blah"
 
Instead of derailing more threads with having to explain myself, I think it's high time to dedicate an entire thread to it. I'd also like to add that this is not directed at everyone. There are plenty of civil, mature members that can bring up respect even when they are disagreement. Here goes...

Why is it that so many people here think it's normal to just tell people to "shut up", always paired with a couple of insults, for no apparent reason? A misunderstanding? SHUT UP! A difference in opinion? YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, SHUT UP!! A general lack of understanding of what was being said? I DONT GET IT, SHUT UP!!! I see this in many threads again and again, tho admittedly usually by the same group of people.

At first I thought I simply rubbed some people the wrong way (because I'm one of those people with wrong personal opinions, you see) but just browsing the forum showed me this is common practice. I've even gotten PMs telling me I shouldn't think too much of the hostile attitude because it's supposed to be normal. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think it should be. It's juvenile.

Oddly enough when you check some of the offenders' their profiles, they're supposed to be over 20 years old too. You'd expect people of such ages to know a little better by now. Is this a temper problem, a lack of common courtesy or an in-joke I'm missing? (If it indeed is an in-joke, I sincerely apologise to anyone that felt targeted by this post.)

I'd really like to get some feedback on this.

Revan 05-11-2008 09:46 PM

On an online message board, no one is ever wrong. Shake it off if you don't know them IRL anyway, it doesn't matter much. It was never my intention to make enemies here, in fact I tried to make friends and talk turtles, but there are some people who hate me. It's normal... I hope :P

Jester 05-11-2008 09:47 PM

This thread sucks, SHUT UP!!!

J/k. Good question. It seems that it easier to belittle people whose opinions you disagree with then to actually have a thoughtful discussion. That's probably just it, why take time to post a reasoned responce when "SHUT UP!" suffices?

愛 05-11-2008 09:50 PM

You just went into the Video Games section. We're touchy when it comes to keeping your facts straight.

Jo Dawn 05-11-2008 09:57 PM

And we're admittedly a tad immature here. It's why we can't talk about a lot of grown up things. I admit this is fairly common to this forum, yet not most. Unless I just join mature forums.

Oh, c'mon, I love y'all. And it's not EVERYone. :P

Jester 05-11-2008 10:00 PM

To late I'm insulted. Oh and by the way Jo, SHUT UP!!!

Revan 05-11-2008 10:00 PM

you shut up, Jester!

Jo Dawn 05-11-2008 10:02 PM

Oh, I can see where this thread is going...

Machias Banshee 05-11-2008 10:16 PM

*crams a :mango: in Jester's mouth* Troublemaker.... :P

Its just one of the things about being online. The anonymity just makes it easier for people to lash out. I mean, you wouldn't say to someone's face what some would say about other people online, right? If you badmouth your boss in the office, you're gonna have to face the consequences if he hears it. Whereas if you trash someone online, there's nobody you physically face about it (unless you know them IRL)...

I wish we could have some more mature conversations on here. But then I remember this IS a forum about the TMNT... :P

Jester 05-11-2008 10:19 PM

Are you saying TMNT is immature? SHUT UP!!!

Man, this thread is going to be trouble. I agree though it'd be great to see if we can be trusted with some serious and even dare i say contropversial topics. Please, Krang, oh please!!

Cure 05-11-2008 10:24 PM

From Peanut, lofl:

The only reason you're making a thread like this is because of how you're
treated in the VG section. Here's the thing, no one, under any circumstance,
will disagree with an OPINION in that section. I myself have different opinions
from a lot of the others in there, but they're not telling me to shut the hell
up. You know why? Because I don't make up bullsh*t and talk out of my ass.

You immediately lost respect points from everyone in that section when you first showed up and started posting utterances about things you clearly didn't understand. That's not trolling someone for opinion, that's trolling someone for stupidity. You then went on to post the most ridiculous thing any of us have EVER seen with that MGS4 press release.

I'm sorry, but idiotic sh*t like that just doesn't fly in there, and it's not our fault if you're too dense to realize that.

You can't just post crap like you did and then expect us to welcome you with open arms the next time you post something. It's not happening.

Ask someone like Ecto Jedi, who used to get no end of sh*t in there, before he realized what the hell was actually going on. Now he's a big part of the community we have in the VG section.

Anyone who goes in there on a regular basis know the 3 golden rules...

1) Don't talk or argue about things you don't understand.
2) Don't post your opinions as fact.
And especially rule number 3...
3) Don't take anything seriously.

Now, all this being said, grow a spine or SHUT UP!

Machias Banshee 05-11-2008 10:56 PM

The VG section is very different from the others. Maybe just posting in the other areas will give you a better idea of how the forums are....

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neutrino (Post 608885)
On an online message board, no one is ever wrong.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

Ra 05-12-2008 02:57 AM

Oh Bull... :P

But yes, the VG area is very different place. In there is a very tight-knit group of gamers that like to talk about...well, games. Pretty much everyone is welcome until they start...well, yeah, Peanut kinda nailed it on the head.

...now, should I jump on the "shut up!" bandwagon...?

Krang 05-12-2008 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo Dawn (Post 608898)
And we're admittedly a tad immature here. It's why we can't talk about a lot of grown up things. I admit this is fairly common to this forum, yet not most. Unless I just join mature forums.

:o Wow, you must not have seen "most" forums, then. I can think of countless forums where I've seen people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and older arguing like kids when it comes to topics like politics or religion. If you know of forums where people can discuss those things without attacking each other, they must be either very small/new forums, forums where everyone thinks exactly alike, or very rare cases of forums where everyone gets along (which won't last long if new members are allowed to sign up).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machias Banshee (Post 608925)
The VG section is very different from the others. Maybe just posting in the other areas will give you a better idea of how the forums are....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra (Post 608960)
But yes, the VG area is very different place. In there is a very tight-knit group of gamers that like to talk about...well, games. Pretty much everyone is welcome until they start...well, yeah, Peanut kinda nailed it on the head.

Bingo. The vast majority of the people who post there know each other, and the rules are more lax there. Don't use that section to judge the rest of the forums. Maybe we need some sort of disclaimer in the forum description...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull (Post 608957)

:lol:

Ra 05-12-2008 03:18 AM

You know what? I just realized that the thread title is a mash-up of two of my favorite song lyrics...man that's deep.

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 03:23 AM

Those must be some very deep and well-thought lyrics.

Almost Shakespearian.

Ra 05-12-2008 03:31 AM

It's pure poetry, my good friend. Pure poetry.

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 03:49 AM

I wouldn't even dare to doubt that, grasshopper.

Raphael_ 05-12-2008 03:52 AM

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4622/ia3yp.jpg

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 04:04 AM

Looks like Ra and me.

Ra 05-12-2008 04:07 AM

Ah...It's as though we were made for each other in there... Beauty and the Beast. Of course, if anyone else calls you beast Bull, I'll rip their lungs out.

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 04:15 AM

<3

EDIT: Fancy I did my 4Kth post about you and me. This is a clear sign of who my real milestone in here is.

Ra 05-12-2008 04:18 AM

Aw, shucks...

<3

Sewer Bull 05-12-2008 04:23 AM

<3

I'm afraid Krang is going to behead both of us for all these slightly off-topic public displays of affection.

On the other hand - we have turned this heavily hatred-manured thread into a love-pulsating fairy-tale. So yay for us.

Ra 05-12-2008 04:53 AM

Oh, indeed. Indeed... (Don't kill us! Please!)

It will be the fairytale told to the n00bs of the forums before bed time. :)

Jester 05-12-2008 05:59 AM

Hey you two.....SHUT UP!!!

J/K I love you guys, too. <3

Scandia 05-12-2008 06:22 AM

Students have a problem if you tell them that, because they recognize it is rude.

Sadly, online bullies have yelled at me to shut up and shut the (insert second or third ugliest word in English language) and calling me horrible names because they were holding against me things that happened over a year before. Those same bullies did NOT remember things THEY did much more recently than that. Even their best friends reprimanded them for that- but since in their uber left winged minds only ONE thing counts, not much could be done.

It has not happened anywhere else. And certainly NOT in the Drome. In other communities, if someone is mean to me, the moderators take care of it quickly and other people apologize to me and tell me the bullies are the ones who are wrong. It was just that one lone exception that I am trying VERY hard to forget- but me being so rancorous by nature, it is difficult.

Ecto Jedi 05-12-2008 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCure (Post 608910)
Ask someone like Ecto Jedi, who used to get no end of sh*t in there, before he realized what the hell was actually going on.

Yes, we all remember THAT unpleasantness.

Swany 05-12-2008 07:06 AM

It happens everywhere. I mean the reason I left college is 'cause one guy hated my opinions on everything and made my life a hell. Even the lecturer said it didn't seem as though he was making an opinion, he was just being nasty to me.

I expect it everwhere I go now. But its only hapened to me once or twice online.

*watches the bandwagon roll by*

Mecha Cow 05-12-2008 09:00 AM

Today's Internet Tip: Complaining about something on the internet has a 98% chance of making things worse.

~The More You Know

poiuytre 05-12-2008 09:12 AM

Thanks for the reponses, guys and gals. I guess I understand that the safety of internet-anonymity makes it easier to lash out at someone. I would love to have some more mature discussion topics, but I understand if mods and admins don't want to have to put up with it. It could very likely be a handfull to keep tabs on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCure (Post 608910)
You immediately lost respect points from everyone in that section when you first showed up and started posting utterances about things you clearly didn't understand.

Would you mind elaborating? Unless I get explained what I'm not understanding, I might make the same mistake again. That's where the ever-loved SHUT UP technique shows its weakness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swany (Post 609003)
It happens everywhere. I mean the reason I left college is 'cause one guy hated my opinions on everything and made my life a hell.

I'm very sorry to hear that, man. This is one of the reasons why it bothers me. Some people have less resistance to this kind of thing than others. I hope everything has fallen back into place for you or will soon.


Aww, the Ra and Sewer Bull back-and-forth warms my heart. Group hug?

PAAATE 05-12-2008 10:44 AM

Shut Up
Shut Up
Shut Up
Shut Up
Shut Up
Shut Up
Shut Up

Does it echo in here?

syd 05-12-2008 11:02 AM

This thread's cute. *Subscribed

Mr. Snackpants 05-12-2008 11:32 AM

This guy just doesn't get the VG section. I think a warning description like Krang said is a good idea. I seem them all the time on religious and political sections. This way no one can b*tch.

Scandia 05-12-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Today's Internet Tip: Complaining about something on the internet has a 98% chance of making things worse.
Sadly, this happened to me.

Quote:

It happens everywhere. I mean the reason I left college is 'cause one guy hated my opinions on everything and made my life a hell. Even the lecturer said it didn't seem as though he was making an opinion, he was just being nasty to me.
One of my best friends had to leave my secondary school after 7th grade because of a bully. After my friend left, the bully stopped picking on me- even though she had picked on me all those years as well.

Sadly, I have been picked on way too much. And sometimes, your only option is to leave.

Hannah 05-12-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCure (Post 608910)
Anyone who goes in there on a regular basis know the 3 golden rules...

1) Don't talk or argue about things you don't understand.
2) Don't post your opinions as fact.
And especially rule number 3...
3) Don't take anything seriously

Lololol, there's a sign on my bus that says:

"RULES
1. Sit
2. Ride
3. Don't forget 1 and 2"


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