OT April and Casey Jones
 

Since no one bothered to answer this in Casey topic I decided to make this into it's own thread. :)

Does any one think if the old toon had bothered that April and Casey could have been an item too like the other versions of the franchise?

Since in every version of the turtles Casey and April had been an item I was wondering in the OT if they had made a Casey more of a recurring character like a regular side kick in the series and they had developed his character into more than just a hockey weilding masked thug and interacted with April more that they could have had a relationship eventually?

I'm not sure it would have worked with their characters in that version. It's really hard for me to say either way. I think a slight change to their characters would have been necessary on both sides. More on Casey's.

They had a little interaction together in Season 8, which was sadly Casey's last appearance, but that was about it.

It would have been possible if Casey's character had been better develop and he had been shown in more episodes.

OT April never seemed to be that interested in men. I just can't picture her with a boyfriend like in other mediums. And Casey's character was completely psycho. :P

April mentioned that she had dated a guy sometime during the Red Sky episodes. Other than that, she did not express interest in anyone else.

The only way that I could have seen them having a relationship is if they reworked April's character a bit. If they had given her more of a social life and toned down being consumed by work, then it could have been entirely possible.

True... they're just too different. Casey is too psycho and April is already married.. to her career.

Yeah. More episodes would have got the character to evolve into something a little more sympathetic, and I'd say, it would lead to something between the two.

Of course, I doubt that Casey and April ever even met in the OT. There was a third episode I haven't seen or forgotten with him in it, so I could be wrong.

Contrary to popular belief I think OT April could have worked with having a relationship. I'm not saying that it had to be Casey Jones. Even though she was a high flying career woman there where a few instances where April showed some interest in men in the OT. She thought Bug Man was "an incrediable hunk" and was "actually having a thing" for him until she saw he was a gross bug. And she showed intrest and agreed to a date to the Dean...what ever his name was in Raphael Drives 'Em Wild episode, so she wasn't totally asexual. I agree a bit more devleopment would have been needed in her out side life beyond her work and the turtles needed to be given but I think April having relationships wouldn't be too jarring in the OT.

Now...whether April and Casey in the OT would have worked like in other versions, I think some drastic change would have to be made to Casey's character more so than April's. I think April actually has the diversity of character and personaly to work with a relationship. But Casey's I think they would have to go more in depth with his personality to even keep up with April's character development, because as cool as Casey in the OT is one note. He smashes things and hates law breakers and doesn't appear to bright. To keep up with April (and not turn her completely off) he would have to be a bit smarter and have more nuanses to him as to why he hates law breakers and actually have something to him that might draw April's attraction (and her him) for them to work, and he would have to have screen time and solo interaction with each other. I could see them work together but the show would have had to do more with them.

you know I'm really suprised April didn't date more or was shown to have more guys interested in her than what was shown in the series. April was so pretty in that series and she never had a boyfriend in the OT. I guess the show wanted to keep April single to appeal more to the young boys.

For arguments sake what would close interaction between April and Casey play out like if it ever went in that direction? Do you think they would clash and argue like NT April and Casey did in the beginning?

They'd have to change the characters a bit. Casey was only in like 3 or so eps of the entire series and yet when the turtles were in trouble she calls him having seemingly off camera gotten his phone number. :lol:

In the Archie series April ended up with this asian firefighter (I think he was Chinese) who had the ability to transform into a 20 ft tall Dragon. Loved the issue where April meets her great-granddaughter, Nobuko. :lol:

Nobuko: "Great-Grandmother!!"
April: "......!!"

That, and they wanted to keep all the " I'm easy and I have terrible taste in men" jokes to Irma. April seemed to be the stereotype career woman that only cared about her career. It almost seems that the show The Mask made fun of her character with Peggy Brant (who seems even more callous about getting a story than April... she even sells Stanley out some times).

We could get into the whole reading too far into things theory about her career zealousness being sexual frustraition, but I don't wanna get into it.

aww, so you mean that April and Casey don't date in the 80's toon :( Why the hell not!? I was really looking foward to seeing what 80's toon Casey was like and how he and this version of April would hit it off, since 80's April is more sassy in the 80's toon. The relationship between Casey and April is one of my favorite things in the current series. So April doesn't end up with any one not even Casey?

Did they ever depict Casey Jones as being anything other than obsessed with beating up criminals in the old cartoon? It's hard to imagine him being with anyone because he seemed a lot more one dimensional in the cartoon IIRC.

All Casey did in the toon was fight.... When they first encounter him the turtles simply thought he was a nutjob and faught him cuz the stupid cops thought he was violating the rights of the criminals (yeah) and were confusing Casey with the turtles. He becomes their ally in the end and everytime they needed his help (which wasn't often) they always had April call him (she got his phone number off camera).

For the most part he was a minor character of absolutly no importance other than to show up when April called him for help or when the he and the turtles were on the same case... which again wasn't often.

He was only in 5 eps all together starting in season 3 and we NEVER even saw his face.

Casey Jones, Outlaw Hero (Season 3)
Corporate Raiders From Dimension X (season 3)
Leonardo Cuts Loose (Season 5)
Night of the Rogues (Season 7)
Cyber-Turtles (Season 8 )

wow so she did end up with some one in the archies! At least she wasn't career obsessed in that medium. Wasn't Casey featured in the Archies as well?

Does any one think that maybe April might have been gay in the old toon? Maybe thats why she never seemed to have a man in the old toon. MAybe Irma and her where secret lovers :lol:

The only time Casey ever appeared in the Archies was the comic book adaptions of the movies Archie comics did. :lol: He NEVER showed up in the main book. Which was why April ended up with Chu Hsi. (Choosey! ...ahahahah er um..ahem).

Im sure Casey would have had alot to say about Oyuki (April's assistant and kinda Mikey's GF) and Ninjara...or he'd wonder what a super rich gal like Candy Fine saw in Mondo Gecko (poor Candy).

MAybe Irma and her where secret lovers
Um... no but Irma did almost marry 3 of the turtles in one ep.... :lol:

I think April and him would act like they didn't like each other and probably piss each other off. I think April would think he was just a mindless ape and Casey would think she was just helpless nuisance and tell her to stay out trouble. But I think Casey would like her spunk and April might like his determination.

Well... not the old toon versions of them.. I mean in the Red Sky ep, there was hardly anything there. They just both wanted to save the turtles and Casey was the only muscle she could find.

hm, what episodes/seasons where these flickers of romantic interest with April's, in? Was it anything big or was just superficial?

Michealangelo Meets Bugman, had April check him out before he turned into a big bug thing. LOL I dunno the name of the taxi ep, but it was a Raph ep and has his name in the title.

April acted pretty superficial in the bugman episode. She was all into him and thought he was attractive and there was some light flirting, but she was tottally turned off and repulsed when she found out he was half bug, and acted like a real bitch to him in his second appearance, even though he was still into her.

the other guy was a rich suave looking dude who she found attractive and was sweet to him and there was some light flirting. Actually I thought the Dean guy and April would have been a cool romance for her.

She was a bitch to the guy huh? Was April one of those 80's, hard as nails, roaring feminists who hate all men on principle in the old show? I've heard alot of people comment that she was driven by her career in the 80's toon.

She didn't hate men per say, but she was obsessed with her job and too busy to care about finding a man. She was happy living single. And yes.. some women are actually happy living single. Hell, she was a heart throb redhead. Fact of the matter is, us kids that age didn't want her to have a man so she could remain 'ours'.

April was more of a feminist in action than in word. She was hard working and capable and could do alot of things that girls tradinally couldn't do (except defend her self), but she wasn't one of those aggressive feminist carature where she was declaring that she was could do anything a man could ect.

The farm
 

I would have like to see that Northampton, Massachusetts farm in the 1987 TMNT cartoon. Not many episodes (expect for the vacation in Europe and some season 4-6 stuff with solo adventures) were set outside New York City.

April was not a man hater in the old toon at all, she was just having a love affair with her career. And she not really a feminist character eighther, nothing in the show suggested she was all into burning her bra or doing reports on the average oppressed female. Actually in some ways April character was a bit anit-feminist because she was a damsel in distress sterotype, also that sort of made her a carature of a career woman because they made her rather insencetive and brass with people as if to say that woman who take up careers become cold and hard and calculating, with no feminine softness/kindness.

I wonder why when ever there is a woman who is career minded or really intelligent in shows she is always portrayed as being hard and heartless, or sarcastic and full of her self. I think thats why I like NT April she is a good fighter and a smart character who is very capable and has a career in who is a science but is also sweet and kind and even motherly sometimes. You don't see female characters that are like this with out having something negative or sterotypical tagged onto their personalites to make fun of them. From what I've been reading OT April was more of a parady of career that was designed to make fun of characters like her.

because it's a mens world :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sometimes I think OT April gets too much of a bad rad. Sure she was often a damsel in distress and obsessed with her career. But she was also smart, brave, spunky, an incredible driver, and saved the Turtles dozens of times with her quick thinking and resourcefulness.

I agree truth be told OT April is my favorite version of April and I think its a shame that so many fans compare her so unfavorably with NT April. She may have been a carature of career woman back in the day but she certainly wasn't useless and had alot of good personality qualites that oldmanwinters pointed out. She did bail the turtles out on countless times and she can't even fight, one of my favorite aspects about April in the OT is how well she played off Splinter when they--a ninja master, teamed up together. They made a great team and acted together almost equally and she never got in his way. April was more than just a damsel in distress she was pretty tough and capable/self reliant in her in own way the predates the Laura Croft fighter girl prevalent in todays media.

True that! We need a list of all April's heroics in the old toon. Proving that you don't need to have a black belt to fight evil!

it's not that people purposely compare OT April to NT April negatively per say, it's just by contrast NT April is an upgrade to April's character over all (to some people) NT April is rarely thrown over the shoulder of an enemy and carted off against her will while she pummels his back. It's a new era where girls aren't seen as weak, helpless, burdens that they where back in the day so NT April is written that way which makes todays fans like her more.

Just like Superman's Lois Lane from the recent cartoon series and comics is an upgrade from Lois Lane from the 40's. Lois Lane in the forties was a always getting her self into situations to get the scoop before Clarke (remind you of any one?) and she would always have to be saved by superman, in the most recent cartoon series Lois Lane still has to be rescued but she is alot more spunky and doesn't take crap from any one not even Superman. Just look at my signiture of a 1940's Lois Lane getting spanked by a superman robot and then being all meek about it the next day. Do you really think Lois Lane in the most recent cartoon serieswould have taken that? No, she would have smacked superman like it was no ones bussiness. And thats what fans today would like more.

That signature is pretty unbelieveable, but OT April wasn't ever portrayed as meek. In fact, one might make the case that OT was actually more involved in the Turtles' adventures than NT April, who usually stays away from the action working at her antique store. NT April in general gets nervous when the Turtles want her to play a role in their plans, like her hesitation to get involved in the Search for Splinter episodes. She does come around and become more a team player, but OT April appeared in every single OT episode without exception. So I think her problem is that she simply doesn't know her limits and gets in over her head too much. NT April is smart enough to know when she's in a bad situation. OT April just forged ahead into danger without using discretion.

I didn't mean to imply that OT April was meek--because she wasn't, I was just pointing out the diffrent ways female characters are potrayed due to the time frame, and how newer versions of the same character are portrayed better because of the times and changing views of how female characters should be handled. How many times did OT April get man handled or trussed up, or flung around like she was nothing? How often does April in the new toon get thrown over an enimies shoulder or tyed up? Not to often and if she did there would be an out cry of "oh, that's sooo sexiest April is always getting flung around like a rag doll!"

I'm not saying that OT April was actually weak but alot of things happened to at her expence making her appear ridculous, that rarely happens NT April because they treat her character a bit more seriously. Had the first ninja turtles cartoon happened in the forties, with all the times April takes things upon her self and gets kidnapped and mouthes off to the eniemies, April probably been back handed or been taken over the knee.

NGH1066, you completely lost me. :-? I really don't get what point you are trying to make. :ohwell: First you where talking about April in the 80's toon vs. April in the current cartoon, then you brought up Lois Lane. What does lois Lane getting spanked in a old comic issue have to do you 80's toon April? :-?

All the recent revivals since 2012 pair them up together so yeah it seems like they retconned OT Casey being a thing with April. I mean any revival/crossover pretty much treats them like a couple and as if he were more than just a recurring ally that only appraed in like 8 episodes out of nearly 200