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turkishproverb 02-27-2009 12:58 AM

Watchmen Director loves Turtles
 
http://www.newsarama.com/film/090226...-watchmen.html


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ZS: The only title I really collected to this day is the original TMNT (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles).

NRAMA: The Eastman and Laird black and white series from Mirage?

ZS: Exactly. All that stuff, what’s the guy's name they always fought?

NRAMA: Shredder.

ZS: Right, I loved him! As I’ve told the story, I was a Heavy Metal fan (magazine, not music style). My mom got me a subscription to Heavy Metal when I was really young, not really knowing it was adult oriented, so I would read it and not let her know what was in it.

I’m sure if she saw some of the stuff that was in it, she would have been freaked out and appalled. She would just see the covers and say, “Oh Zach loves this stuff, this is perfect.” So it was hard for me to go to normal comics because I was a little bit broken and spoiled—when are they going to start &#@!ing or killing each other! So that kind took me out of comics for a little while.

It’s weird, TMNT was the one that kinda hooked me, you know? I guess at the time in high school, I was into renaissance artists and all that. And then a few years later, Dark Knight and Watchmen were really when I got back into comics — not heavily, but they were the ones that got me to believe again if you will. I think that’s a common story. But it’s mine as well.

NRAMA: How old were you when you were reading Heavy Metal and the Turtles?

ZS: I was in high school, so I guess Heavy Metal from about 14, maybe even before that, 13 to the present. Turtles were 17-18.

I’ve dabbled ever since with everything a little, all the Frank (Miller) stuff, all the Alan Moore stuff. Mostly you know, it’s an art thing. I do like art, so that’s why Heavy Metal was so influencing. I’m more like an art fan more than anything else.

gobo 02-27-2009 01:21 AM

Poser fan of the year... Shredder was in how many issues? :roll:

Roseangelo 02-27-2009 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 675846)
Poser fan of the year... Shredder was in how many issues? :roll:

The fact that he couldn't even remember his name is even worse...

turkishproverb 02-27-2009 01:34 AM

Erm...he was listing it as a good memory. that's the only point i was making.

Poser fan of the year? Your kidding, right? Lets face it, it is not like turtles is something someone would use to earn points in geek circles these days.


Not suggesting he should be involved in a film (I hate over used slow motion) or that he'd want to. just that it was interesting.

Cipher 02-27-2009 01:34 AM

Who the hell cares if he can't remember Shredder's name or the fact that he was only in four issues?

Someone get this guy a copy of City at War and a film crew.

Spitfire 02-27-2009 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cipher (Post 675852)
Who the hell cares if he can't remember Shredder's name or the fact that he was only in four issues?

Someone get this guy a copy of City at War and a film crew.

Are you kidding me? This guys a horrible director. 300 was a disaster and if Watchmen is good I'll be surprised.

ZariusTwo 02-27-2009 02:59 AM

Watchmen looks like a porno and 300 is more a meme than a movie.

gobo 02-27-2009 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by turkishproverb (Post 675851)
Erm...he was listing it as a good memory. that's the only point i was making.

Good point to make that people in high places appreciate TMNT, even if it's just enough that they can't remember but the most mundane of its trivia. I really wasn't complaining at you. At least you gave us something to discuss.
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Originally Posted by turkishproverb (Post 675851)
Lets face it, it is not like turtles is something someone would use to earn points in geek circles these days.

:blanksta: Yo' mama...[/totallymessingwithyou,man]
But, seriously... watch out for snipers on your way out. :tangel:

Kendamu 02-27-2009 03:34 AM

Of course. Zack Snyder loves TMNT and, if the right connections were made, he could make the kind of movie we're all wanting to see. Sure, its a pipe dream but there's hope...

...and almost half the responses are like, "F@#& him. He doesn't remember some stuff from when he was in High School that he hasn't kept up with since. He's a horrible person."

Oh, and I like 300 and Watchmen looks freakin' awesome.

VaughnMichael 02-27-2009 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goongasnootch (Post 675868)
Of course. Zack Snyder loves TMNT and, if the right connections were made, he could make the kind of movie we're all wanting to see. Sure, its a pipe dream but there's hope...

...and almost half the responses are like, "F@#& him. He doesn't remember some stuff from when he was in High School that he hasn't kept up with since. He's a horrible person."

Oh, and I like 300 and Watchmen looks freakin' awesome.

Isn't that how it always is around here?
I honestly don't care if he remembers it doesnt take that much for a director to be handed the comics study them and make a film.
But I will agree with spitfire that 300 was a horrible film.
Watchmen does look like it could be decent though.

TristanHuwJones 02-27-2009 06:00 AM

I actually really liked his Dawn of the Dead. I haven't seen or read 300 and don't plan on doing so until I've read it, but I am really looking forward to Watchmen.

Andres P. 02-27-2009 06:55 AM

Watchmen´s Director a Turtle fan!
 
Check it up on this Nessarama interview:

http://www.newsarama.com/film/090226...-watchmen.html

A!

Drtooth 02-27-2009 08:32 AM

Well... here's how I look at this whole thing. If... and this is a giant hypothetical... he were to direct the next TMNT movie, he's a big enough director now that he'd have pull enough to make the film a comic book movie and not some kid and overprotective parent friendly extension of 2k3 like the last one turned out to be. Again, hypothetically.

Now, I don't see him directing a TMNT film at all. And how many other directors are true fans? Maybe Kevin Smith... and if he handled it right, it could be good... hypothetically. But no matter what happens, if a 5th movie ever ever gets made, it will be treated the same way as the last ones... a connection to a kid's show, and not a comic book. It will get no respect around Hollywood, since... again, it'll be "Oh yeah! It's some live action cartoon remake like the Flintstones, right?" And not a comic book movie.

And one more time for the folks at home playing a drinking game... Hypothetically.

cMac44111 02-27-2009 09:57 AM

At least he says he was a fan of the comics and no the cartoon. So if we get him to direct a movie, it'll at least be on the lines the first movie and hopefully nothing like SotO.

MaC 02-27-2009 10:25 AM

Synder is pretty mediocre. If there were to be another TMNT movie the last thing I would want to see would the type of movie Synder would make. I can't really stomach Slow-Motion wire fighting anymore, it just bores me to tears and it seems to be how he approaches his action scenes. It worked for 300 but his Queen subplot destoyed the point of that movie.

Watchmen is the greatest graphic novel of all time and its getting "Its alright" from the reviews. Not how it should be.

Cipher 02-27-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 675858)
Are you kidding me? This guys a horrible director. 300 was a disaster and if Watchmen is good I'll be surprised.

It doesn't matter. He's high profile and has been involved with reasonably accurate comic-to-screen translations.

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I actually really liked his Dawn of the Dead.
But still, boo for crapping on a classic movie.

cMac44111 02-27-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MaC (Post 675911)
Watchmen is the greatest graphic novel of all time and its getting "Its alright" from the reviews. Not how it should be.

Really? What reviews are you reading? Cause I've read nothing but good things from the critics.

And I thought the Queen subplot worked in 300. Otherwise it would have been a bunch of half naked men trying to kill each other.

MaC 02-27-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cMac44111 (Post 675928)
Really? What reviews are you reading? Cause I've read nothing but good things from the critics.

There was one scathing review but none of the ones I have read have been "WOW THIS MOVIE IS GREAT!" aside from places I generally don't trust like AICN. I'm willing to bet it'll be more along the lines of Wanted then say Spidey 1/2 and X-Men 2.

cMac44111 02-27-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MaC (Post 675930)
There was one scathing review but none of the ones I have read have been "WOW THIS MOVIE IS GREAT!" aside from places I generally don't trust like AICN. I'm willing to bet it'll be more along the lines of Wanted then say Spidey 1/2 and X-Men 2.


If anything I think this movie will be more like Sin City than Wanted or Spiderman/ X-Men.

MaC 02-27-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cMac44111 (Post 675935)
If anything I think this movie will be more like Sin City than Wanted or Spiderman/ X-Men.

Well, I was speaking in terms of quality, not style. It will probably be like Sin City in terms of style, but so was The Spirit and that didn't work out so well. Zach Synder isn't, in my opinion, anywhere near as good a director as Robert Rodriguez and unlike Rodriguez he isn't working WITH the writer of the original comic, so I think the work will suffer for it. And with something like Watchmen that is so deep and has so much going on and is a really epic story but also a metatextual examination of Superhero comics in general, even losing the tiniest bit, like the Black Freighter tales, etc.

I'm absolutely not planning to see Watchmen in theaters, I might rent the big blu-ray release that will have the Black Freighter bits cut back into the movie.

ZariusTwo 02-27-2009 02:24 PM

None of Moore's comics should be movies. Sadly, any moron who sees the Watchmen film will just think that defines the whole story. They truley don't "get" it.

MaC 02-27-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 675955)
None of Moore's comics should be movies. Sadly, any moron who sees the Watchmen film will just think that defines the whole story. They truley don't "get" it.

I agree with you, and so does Alan Moore. LXG, V for Vendetta, and From Hell are mediocre to effing-terrible movies and he had this to say about him participating in movies based off his work

"If someone is going to kill one of my babies, I don't want to be the one holding the knife"

With Watchmen, while there are so many amazing facets to it, the sum is greater then the pieces. And for each element of the comic stripped away or toned down or pumped up for the average movie audience, that is a drastic decrease in the quality of the work. Losing the Black Freighter parallel hurts. Amped up Slow Motion fighting hurts. Rorscach using Bale's atrocious Batman voice hurts.

I'm happy for all the sales it brought the OGN, but sad that so many people are going to see this..thing instead of experiencing the graphic novel, which is truly a work of art.

Browncoat 02-27-2009 02:37 PM

Even Swamp-Thing?!

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 675955)
None of Moore's comics should be movies.


MaC 02-27-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Browncoat (Post 675965)
Even Swamp-Thing?!

Moore didn't create that one, but his run on that was so much more phenominal then either of the two Swamp Thing movies could ever come close to recreating. It just couldn't be done on any other medium aside from comics.

Browncoat 02-27-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaC (Post 675966)
Moore didn't create that one, but his run on that was so much more phenominal then either of the two Swamp Thing movies could ever come close to recreating. It just couldn't be done on any other medium aside from comics.

yeah but you didn't say creation :P

and I actually thought the V For Vendetta film was MUCH better than the book.

Spitfire 02-27-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cipher (Post 675925)
It doesn't matter. He's high profile and has been involved with reasonably accurate comic-to-screen translations.

He's made like 5 movies his entire career he's far from high profile. James Cameron is high profile. Steven Spielberg, Danny Boyle is now high profile, Chris Nolan is high profile...you get the point. This guys made two movies that anyone's heard of and neither of them were well received and only one of which was a box office success.

He was handed Watchmen, just like other no names are handed big projects like Terminator or remakes for movies. The studio doesn't care who makes it they just want it out in theaters. They want a nice looking trailer that will get people into the movies.

I'm sure Watchmen will do well, heck it might even be good, but that far from qualifies him as high profile. Also just for the hell of it I checked his filmography and he think he's doing like 5 movies next year. Either those are going to be really ****** movies or only one of them is going to make it into production.

joe-eyeball 02-27-2009 06:23 PM

You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

MaC 02-27-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball (Post 676024)
You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

Steven Spielburg gets Final Cut on every one of his movies. Also, I liked his adaptation of Jaws much more then the novel.

Also, when you take something great that has a massive following and is one of the most praised and awarded pieces of art in its medium, and put out a dumbed-down slow-motion filled festival of mediocrity, people will and they SHOULD complain in addition to voting with their wallets. That is reality.

joe-eyeball 02-27-2009 07:23 PM

MaC, I agree that people can complain and they even probably should complain, but it will fall on deaf ears. That is because its all about the money. Oh and Speilberg has the power because he is also the producer as well. I also would bet that your first exposure to Jaws was the film and not the book, so in your mind nothing could compare, but this could not be the case with Watchmen as this will be the first film interpretation. You know as well as I do that many people who go see the film will later on read the book and say the book sucks. Hollywood knows that too, hence why we are going to get te dumbed down, slow motion, filled Zack Snyder directed film. Again, thats reality.

Spitfire 02-27-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball (Post 676024)
You know its really annoying when people compain and say: Oh, such and such should never be into a movie, or That movie sucked when compared to the book. No Sh!t. It is pretty much impossible for a film to be better than the original source material, yet people will still complain when the film doesn't measure up. When you have spent the last 23 years appreciating a work like Watchmen, which is great, it is not likely that anything created after that, trying to be that is going to ever come close to the legendary and lofty expectations fans have for such material. I mean who cares who directed Watchmen because I'm not convinced Hollywood bigwigs would ever give a director enough control to get it as close to the graphic novel as possible. Its all about money and a direct interpretation of Watchmen would not make as much at the box office as some Hollywood version. That is reality, just accept it.

They could make any movie they wanted, as long as they advertised it properly it would sweep the box offices. People fall for trailers way to easily but it works. Trailer editing is actually a career option for editors, it's an acquired skill. They can take a movie that's about one thing and make it look completely different in the trailer. I've so many times seen a drama movie advertised as an action flick.

Jester 02-27-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 676056)
They could make any movie they wanted, as long as they advertised it properly it would sweep the box offices. People fall for trailers way to easily but it works. Trailer editing is actually a career option for editors, it's an acquired skill. They can take a movie that's about one thing and make it look completely different in the trailer. I've so many times seen a drama movie advertised as an action flick.

Case and point, watch this trailer:


Hard to believe the movie is really more like this:
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The premise of the movie is Chuck is a "good luck charm" lover. That is, women will find their "one true love" after having sex with him. He then meets a girl who he thinks is his true love.

and has Dane Cook, not trying to love an absolute klutz, but not lose said klutz, because he is cursed to sleep with a girl and then lose her to the next man she's with.

A TRAILER CAN BE MADE TO MAKE ANY MOVIE LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT TRULY IS AND EVEN...GASP...LOOK GOOD. :P

I hope that isn't the case with Watchmen.

malpractice 02-27-2009 09:22 PM

hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

ZariusTwo 02-28-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Browncoat (Post 675965)
Even Swamp-Thing?!

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...'Nuff said.

shuriken 02-28-2009 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by malpractice (Post 676065)
hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

Are you serious? They did on four seperate occasions. The first time they lucked out on a dude that directed mostly music videos and made a decent movie. The other times, not so much. ( Kevin Munroe in my opinion was a hack so bam)
AS for this Snyder dude Dawn of the Dead was decent. 300 was decent as well, I rather enjoyed the Queen subplot cuz ya know a bunch of oiled up muscley dudes decapitaing people left and right in slow motion gets a bit tedious after a while. Niether were great. I'm hoping Watchmen will be good but it's a shame the Black Freighter bits won't be included in theaters, but it makes sense due to time constraints. I am a bit bothered by Ozymandias's and the Silk Spectre's costumes though, something resembling the comic would have been nice, although I could see why they went for that look on Silk Spectre.

The Stryker 02-28-2009 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by malpractice (Post 676065)
hopefully they never let that hack near a turtles movie.

Yeah because the Ninja Turtle "franchise" is in a position to be picky.

MaC 02-28-2009 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball (Post 676034)
MaC, I agree that people can complain and they even probably should complain, but it will fall on deaf ears. That is because its all about the money. Oh and Speilberg has the power because he is also the producer as well. I also would bet that your first exposure to Jaws was the film and not the book, so in your mind nothing could compare, but this could not be the case with Watchmen as this will be the first film interpretation. You know as well as I do that many people who go see the film will later on read the book and say the book sucks. Hollywood knows that too, hence why we are going to get te dumbed down, slow motion, filled Zack Snyder directed film. Again, thats reality.

Actually, I first read Jaws. I had a major shark obsession as a kid and my aunt was big into giving out books. I thought the subplot with Brody's wife and Richard Drefuss' character was unneeded and was really shocked at how much better the characters were portrayed in the movie. And the tone was vastly superior, where the novel was straight horror/drama the movie became horror and then later action/adventure during the shark hunt. But, I did see Jurassic Park before reading the book, and again I felt JP was superior because that sort of story lends itself really well to film.

And yeah, it is reality that some people will read the book and say "Well thats dumb" and sadly, thats the cycle we are in. Mindless action flicks are popular and make money. But I can't get annoyed or mad at folk voicing their opinion against the movie, because every little bit helps, though it may not show. That's not to say people pissing and moaning online will change anything. But that voice should always be present and should never just roll over.

Jester and Spitfire are also VERY VERY on point with the marketing thing. Go back and watch some of the trailers for Spidey 3 for instance. Those trailers had me so pumped for a dark and dramatic movie and I got to theaters and it was Parker dancing.

I dunno, I have the mind of never accepting something really weak when it could be so much better.

And @shuriken regarding the Queen subplot. The placing of her final scene really bothered me,
Spoiler:
because she spurs Sparta into action to go fight the Persians, but the entire point of that story is that those oiled up slow motion Warriors fought and died willingly to light a fire under the rear of Sparta and get them to war. But in the movie, the Queen handled that. So instead of fighting and getting slaughtered, the 300 could have just went home, met up with the massive spartan army, and won.

ZariusTwo 02-28-2009 02:31 AM

Black Frieghter isnt in this?

I'm not touching this trainwreck.

TristanHuwJones 02-28-2009 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shuriken (Post 676104)
Are you serious? They did on four seperate occasions. The first time they lucked out on a dude that directed mostly music videos and made a decent movie. The other times, not so much. ( Kevin Munroe in my opinion was a hack so bam)

They didn't really luck out. Steve Barron was part of the Jim Henson Creature Shop, so I'm pretty sure someone backed by Jim Henon is someone worth trusting a film to.

VaughnMichael 02-28-2009 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones (Post 676135)
They didn't really luck out. Steve Barron was part of the Jim Henson Creature Shop, so I'm pretty sure someone backed by Jim Henon is someone worth trusting a film to.

I'd def. say so, well if it's backed by some one who knew Jim.
The Hensons these days spend to much time making crappy cgi direct to dvd kids movies.

Mr._Mutant_Man 02-28-2009 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 675858)
Are you kidding me? This guys a horrible director. 300 was a disaster and if Watchmen is good I'll be surprised.

A disaster? It's an exciting movie. It accomplished what it set out to do, which was to be an action packed movie with interesting visuals. If you aren't a fan of Frank Miller, it's understandable that the movie won't thrill you too much. There are bits of that movie and the book where it just comes off as typical Frank Miller and I kind of :roll: a bit.

Dawn of the Dead was a remake that didn't suck, too, when most horror movie remakes do.

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 676117)
Black Frieghter isnt in this?

I'm not touching this trainwreck.

There's an animated movie coming out.

I'm not surprised it was cut. You can get through the main point of the book without it. It's kind of like a nice little extra that makes the comic that much more detailed.


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