Anti-TMNT books from Phil Phillips and Joan Hake Robie
 

http://gogreenmachine.wordpress.com/...-mind-control/

Enjoy kiddies.

There's a huge amount of this kind of stuff out there. Usually passed off by religious zealots who are terrified that folks might find more valuable lessons in make believe comics and TV as opposed to hundred year old make believe books.

If you thought that was enjoyable, check out this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVGMwcOjL4

Which predated TMNT, but is the same sort of hogwash. There's four parts to enjoy.

There's also some of those hilarious anti-D&D comics out there where they show kids learning black magic and casting spells... From a game.

Watched them, if they are what I think they are. They star (for lack of a better trem) the author of Saturday Morning Mind Control, Phil Phillips.

Deluded overprotective Christian parenting at it's worst.

Glad my parents weren't this anal. :D

You and me both Jester. I was raised by my grandparents, and they were good people. Not too religious, just good moral people. They never would have stopped me from reading the TMNT archie series, or watching the cartoon. They knew better than what this nutjob is saying. I think there's a special place in the Inferno for people who say this sort of thing.

I had a cousin who had gotten a bunch'a TMNT stuff for Christmas once, but wasn't allowed to take it home (we were at my Grandparents' house) because his parents thought the TMNT to be evil and all that junk.

My Mom was just the opposite. She bought me my first figure before I knew what they were!

Most people don't read into this kind of hysteria, thankfully. And I don't think they could really put it on 2k3 anyways, considering how much they emphasized on family and stuff...

My parents had no problem with me watching this show... unless there was a new episode of Martha Stewart showing at the same time on ABC... :tgrumble:

Thanks for the laughs, loved it!

There's an absurd amount of this stuff out there for Pokemon as well.

Of course, once things like Turtles and Pokemon cease to be fads, the zealots instantly stop caring. Despite the fact that both continue to be largely (or in Pokemon's case, enormously) successful properties. Oh well.

Christianity
 

Fanatic Christians always blame something new in popular culture for the devil:

In the 1920's, 30's and 40's, jazz was the devil's music.
In the 1950's and 60's, pop and rock was the devil's music.
In the 1980's and 90's, hard rock and heavy metal was the devil's music, and TMNT the devil's comics.

Before the 1970's, even a lot of other things, like cinema, partner dance was the devil's work among these fanatic Christians.

Talk about being too rigidly strict!

I may practice a particular religion and have certain morals. I may not agree with everything in the Turtles' universes.

But to say they are completely evil like that? That they are demonic and trying to steer kids to the dark side? I think not.

But then, I have seen similar things said about Captain Planet, which is a show all about protecting the environment. It said it had "pagan" influences and thus was "not Christian". Never mind all the good messages in that show- one little pagan allusion was enough to kill it in the mind of some people.

Well, that's just pointing out the obvious. Did they call it the devil's handiwork or just... not christian? In as much as Gaia was a Greek goddess, it obviously wasn't designed as christian entertainment. But, to deny a story's merits based on that fact is a different thing entirely. Fanaticism like that is more evil than pretty much anything on TV.

I ordered both this book, and "TMNT: Exposed" last week. I'm waiting for them to come in so I can read them and successfully debunk them. Then I'm going to roll them up, find their writers, and spank them like naughty puppies.

:lol:

Thanks for the fun read Jester! It's always funny to see how people find such things like TMNT evil :P

awesome review

You forgot Heavy Metal.

too obvious
they created Christian heavy metal to counter it:lol:

Wouldn't surprise me if some of these people also have severe cases of autism or aspergers, to a more severe degree than others.

Its ridiculous how any time a children's property is "big," it always has people claiming its turning kids into the devil.

They are right. The trutles are EVIL!! Thanks to them I'm addicted to Pizza. Also I strike Men who wear Cheese Graters on their arms... The most evil thing that the Turtles taught me was to stick with my family through both good times and bad...

those poor cheese graters wearing men....
damn you turtles, damn you!

Ditto. My mom (AND my late dad, were he still with us) would get one heck of a laugh out of these two idiots. Like you, Jester, I, too, am a Christian. Have been for 40+ years now (and am VERY proud of that), but, unlike Ms (Mrs.?) Robie and Mr. Phillips, I happen to know the difference between reality and *gasp!* fantasy/fiction.

What PLANET are they from, anyway, that they, and these OTHER so-called "Christian" twits, don't? Sheesh.

Typically they say kids wouldn't, but hey when they were kids they had shows like Flash Gordon and Start Trek. Did those shows make kids question reality and fantasy? Did the Greek pantheon shown in Star Trek take them away from "the one true God"? NO! So why is it now kids are more stupid and unable to discern fake from real?

Seriously, I remember one video I watched in a class in college where the interviewer said that his childhood love, Flash Gordon was somehow different than the recent Star Wars stuff. That now science fiction was science fact or some malarkey like that. Wish I could track down that video. I swear it referenced the first TMNT movie and elicited groans from my fellow classmates

Maybe Phil Phillips is just mad he has giant teeth. Seriously, the guy can barely talk because of his large chompers.

Haha! i just watched that video link that Newton posted earlier. Farther in this series of videos they actually have He-Man toys out, and it looks like they're soooo tempted to just play with 'em. They had a few words about how Teela looked "voluptuous". These guys debunk themselves.:lol:

^^ Kick-ass avatar, dude.

haha thanks. I have a gazillion of these, so I put 1 to good use.

In the video, Phil Phillips claimed he was fasting when he walked in a toy shop and saw the "evil toy"...maybe he was hallucinating from lack of food :lol:

Or perhaps Mr. Phillips is just anougther lazy adult to tired to actualy pay any real attention, and just lets the scapegoats eat his grass....when he's not smoking it. The idiot. I can't stand it when they blame the evils of the world on cartoons, comics, books, movies, video games, and music. That realy burns me. And to top it off, these people are supposed to be intelligent adults. What a joke. lol.

im so relieved...normally any thread ive visited regarding christianity deteriorates into petty bickering...

However as a christian myself i dont see anything wrong with the ninja turtles. I think like God we are creative forces and can use those abilities to create wonderful things. I find nothing blasphemous about the turtles so whats the problem?

thats my two cents.

LOL! that's great! :D

Well he also has God tell him specifically to put a stop to He-Man. I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but if he's hearing voices, maybe HE needs the help. And if the voices he's hearing really are God, wouldn't they find him something better to do?

Thats the first thing that came to mind too. If I hadn't eaten in days, I might think Skeletor is talking to me too.

well, one would think so, yeah

Good thread, Jester.

===HERO

Indeed. The other odd thing he said was he was driving when God spoke to him during this fast...you shouldn't be driving if you're eating nothing. I think that adds more to my hallucination theory...but who knows, maybe this guys just lost his marbles (Or are they evil too? :P)

Exactly! :lol:

Wow. This guy is mental, but that's what religious fanatics who say that all these junk is evil really are. They need to find something better in their lives to do than criticize a children's show that actually talks about good morals. It's the same thing they've done to Harry Potter, which is ridiculous. Heck, I did my senior college paper on how Harry Potter has Christian morals and other morals within it. Honestly, I don't believe in God, but if this is the way God wants people to be, I honestly want no part to this.

Goodness no, not all religious folks are like this, thankfully... It's the few crazies that seem to catch most of the attention these days.

I'm curious to find out if they've done any NEW stuff for the 2K3 series. You know that fearmongering, family-doting, values-pushing series.... ;)

No, Star Trek and Flash Gordon won't make a kid question the difference between reality and fiction, but it does inspire them to investigate the thoughts of time travel, space travel, and other fields that may or may not put the question of a higher power to rest, and some sectors are afraid of that happening.

Well put, Machi. I know that both my late grandmothers (true Christian ladies, both) AND my late, beloved, and much missed Aunt Floss (who WAS a dedicated Christian if there ever WAS one!) would be absolutely APPALLED by these two ninnies!

Heh, and IF they were all three still with us, they'd get these two together, sit them down and PROMPTLY give them one SHELL of a talking to about such nonsense!;):lol:

Yeah, me, too.

And you know, THIS is a bit OT (kinda), but if THIS is how they view (and basically TRASH) the TMNT, I'd kinda hate to see how they'd react to the characters in Elfquest, ANOTHER of my fave comics. (To MY mind, Winnowill is the elfin equivalant of Shredder. She's JUST as evil and MEAN, anyway! Just, to her credit, a bit more CLASSY, when it comes to HER schemes and cruelty.) Not sure I want to KNOW, really.