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Spitfire 11-06-2009 02:05 AM

Everything Wrong With Entertainment
 
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LOS ANGELES -- This town's top celebrities have long had more than their fair share of plastic parts. Hollywood's newest movie stars are no exception.

Soon to be starring in his own feature-length film with Universal Pictures: Stretch Armstrong, the pliant, muscle-bound doll whose roots go back to the 1970s. Big Wheel, the plastic tricycle, has its own TV show in the works. Even the board game Risk has a deal for a film, to be co-produced by star Will Smith.

Toys now are receiving the same A-list treatment that any bankable movie star here has come to expect. That includes top billing and contracts with special perks. They even have their own talent agents.

Creative Artists Agency recently signed up Mattel Inc.'s Barbie to star in a live-action feature film at General Electric Co.'s Universal Pictures. International Creative Management, another talent agency, sparked a four-studio bidding war for a movie starring Asteroids, a brand from its client, videogame publisher Atari SA.

John Fogelman represents the likes of Courteney Cox, Whoopi Goldberg and director J.J. Abrams for talent agency William Morris Endeavor Entertainment LLC. But lately, his hottest stars have been toys such as G.I. Joe and Candy Land from his client Hasbro Inc.

"We treated them like the most important movie star client on the roster," says the 44-year-old Mr. Fogelman.

The star turn for toys is part of a mania that has swept Hollywood in recent months. Action figures such as G.I. Joe and Transformers ruled the box office this summer. Meanwhile, real-life stars who were once golden, such as Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler, failed to draw crowds.

"There's chaos right now," says Mr. Fogelman in his Beverly Hills office, grabbing a beer from the walnut-wood bar that Hasbro Chief Executive Brian Goldner gave him for his birthday this year. "Hollywood had matured to a place where most of the artists were being forced to accept what was offered to them," he says. "I was looking to find ways to gain ground back for the artist community."

The craze for toy-driven feature films has given rise to a new term in the Hollywood lexicon. In production meetings, studio executives have begun asking if a particular project is "toyetic" -- meaning whether its concept can lend itself to a toy, and whether the project will be able to sell tickets and merchandise.

No recent project has been more toyetic than "Transformers." This summer, the second movie in the franchise grossed more than $833 million at the world-wide box office. In 2007, after the first "Transformers" film came out, Hasbro said revenues from "Transformers" hit $484 million, up from about $100 million in 2006.

Nonetheless, the director, Michael Bay, also a client of Mr. Fogelman, was reluctant to sign on for a third installment. "I didn't want to do it," says Mr. Bay, "but Paramount, they begged me." He says he caved after a trip to Vegas with Paramount's executives. Paramount Chairman Brad Grey, whose Viacom Inc.-owned studio made both "Transformers" blockbusters, says: "We're proud to be in business with him."

To be sure, Hollywood has played with toys before. Walt Disney Co.'s "Toy Story" franchise drew huge audiences in the 1990s, with name-brand playthings in supporting roles. The company is releasing another in the series in 3-D next year.

Few have taken the toy ride more seriously than Mr. Fogelman. The veteran agent spent much of last year on the road trying to cut new deals for Hasbro. He says he left the Emmys early, took up to four meetings a day, and gained 20 pounds from having so many dinner powwows with potential partners.

But he succeeded in enshrining Hasbro among the pantheon of powerful forces in Hollywood: The company recently secured its own office on the Universal lot, identifiable by the 6-foot statue of Mr. Potato Head standing outside. Only a few others have achieved the status of having offices on the lot, among them, Steven Spielberg, whose DreamWorks Studios sits just a stone's throw away.

As often happens in Hollywood, the stratospheric success of projects such as "Transformers" has unleashed a stampede of producers looking for the next big toy. Projects in the works include movie versions of the games Monopoly and Battleship.

The fervor has allowed even the most uncinematic of playthings to get a shot at the silver screen. The Ohio Art Co., which owns Etch A Sketch, says it has received numerous calls from producers interested in acquiring the rights to make a stand-alone film based on the toy. The company has yet to sign a deal.

"There's a herd mentality in Hollywood," says Stephen Sommers, who made "The Mummy" franchise and directed "G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra," which took in more than $300 million at the global box office. "Sometimes I read about toys in development and just think, 'What! Battleship and Monopoly? Really?' I mean, best of luck."

Yet some of Hollywood's top directors and actors are eager to hitch their names to films starring a toy. Will Smith, who currently commands one of the biggest paychecks in the industry, signed on with partner James Lassiter to produce a movie based on the board game Risk, for Sony Corp.'s Sony Pictures.

Messrs. Smith and Lassiter are also developing a TV show based on the Big Wheel toy for a yet-unnamed TV channel, a joint venture between Hasbro and Discovery Communications set to launch next fall. "It was my favorite toy growing up," says Mr. Lassiter.

J.J. Abrams, who created the TV show "Lost" and directed this summer's "Star Trek" film, is in discussions to produce a movie about Japanese toy line Micronauts, which Hasbro just acquired.

Other big names are piling in. Brian Grazer will produce "Stretch Armstrong." Ridley Scott, the British director who made "Gladiator" and "Blade Runner," has agreed to direct "Monopoly."

Mr. Fogelman says he, along with Hasbro CEO Mr. Goldner, makes sure to lock up the rights to the company's brands before letting studios in on the deal. "We protect the [intellectual property] as if it's the most precious metal on the planet," he says. "The studios -- they don't even get the rights to the script until the day we start principal photography. I can tell you, that's never been done before!"

People familiar with the matter say he has brokered deals for Hasbro that include "saw teeth," special provisions worked into a contract to protect the client. For example, studios must greenlight a movie within a number of weeks of acquiring it, or pay a $5 million kill fee directly back to Hasbro. "We wanted to be in the business of making movies, not deals," says Hasbro's Mr. Goldner. Mr. Fogelman declined to elaborate.

Mr. Abrams, the "Star Trek" director, says those who doubt whether a board game or science-fiction toy should be accorded star status will be proved wrong.

"Sometimes, when someone is not a celebrity and you are casting them in a role, everyone who is in a seat of authority voices questions about that actor's talent, sex appeal, looks, ability -- their everything," he says. "But then they get the role, and suddenly they are on the cover of every magazine, and nobody questions those things again. In retrospect, everyone says, 'Of course that person is a star.'"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125737028160428961.html

This is just sad. Most of the movies coming out now will be based off of action figures and board games. That to me is just ludicrous. The fact it's now socially acceptable for big stars to be in them, and that studios are ready to dish out millions to make them, just depresses me. I understand mindless entertainment but it has to at least be well made. I'm sure at least one or two of these will end up being well done, mainly Monopoly cause of Scott, but I don't see many of them turning out better then GI Joe or Transformers did. I personally thought those films were train wrecks.

How about you guys? What do you think about action figure/board game movies? What toyline/board game do you think they will try for next?

Powder 11-06-2009 03:08 AM

Not that I'm truly on topic, but I was JUST thinking about how horrible all modern entertainment industries are nowadays... Disney girls becoming total train wrecks, scripted reality shows, mainstream sex etc etc etc. Obviously people no longer have creativity in this day & age, explaining countless reboots, and so on. F^ck hollywood man.

Ninjinister 11-06-2009 03:45 AM

Like it's never been done before....

Spitfire 11-06-2009 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister (Post 732508)

Yeah and it became a cult classic. That's one movie though, made a really long time ago. This is a bunch all at the same time and some of them I fail to see how they could make a movie out of. At least Clue has a premise that somewhat works, who done it. Risk and Candyland hardly have that going for it.

ThirdMarioBro 11-06-2009 04:51 AM

Heh, I had a stretch armstrong when I was a kid and that other dude you sucked the air out of to freeze his shape (can't remember the name). Wouldn't go to a movie if it was free through.

And Clue kicked ass, you know, back before Tim Curry blew his career to hell with Congo.


The Stryker 11-06-2009 06:01 AM

Whine whine bitch bitch.

Things were better in my day. Who gives a crap. Don't like it, don't watch it. Easy peasy.

odupianist 11-06-2009 07:39 AM

Creativity in Hollywood was lost years ago

Mecha Cow 11-06-2009 07:48 AM

Hey, Pirates of the Caribbean was based on a theme park ride...

joe-eyeball 11-06-2009 08:33 AM

The bottom line is that Hollywood is no different than anything or anyone else which is: Go the path of least resistance that will acheive the highest possible gain. Society has made it easy for them to put out crap because like it or not crap has been selling a whole lot these days. The market says people want toy/video game based films now and Hollywood is going milk every last cent out of it and then some before moving onto the next big cash cow. I believe it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of creativity, its more that consumers have made it easier for them to go this route.

愛 11-06-2009 08:37 AM

Maybe the next thing they'll do is a movie about a kid complaining on the internet about everything. Kind of like a modern day Scrooge.

Spitfire 11-06-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball (Post 732542)
The bottom line is that Hollywood is no different than anything or anyone else which is: Go the path of least resistance that will acheive the highest possible gain. Society has made it easy for them to put out crap because like it or not crap has been selling a whole lot these days. The market says people want toy/video game based films now and Hollywood is going milk every last cent out of it and then some before moving onto the next big cash cow. I believe it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of creativity, its more that consumers have made it easier for them to go this route.

Exactly, I was happier when the big craze was comic book films. At least that has source material that you can work with. Even most of those were bad though. I guess if I had to choose I'd rather see ads for comic movies then board games.

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 732520)
Whine whine bitch bitch.

Things were better in my day. Who gives a crap. Don't like it, don't watch it. Easy peasy.

So I'm not allowed to express concern about the current state of a industry I plan on entering? Yeah I don't have to see it but I also don't want to work on it either. My Dad used to joke the first film I'd end up working on would be a sequel to Doom now it's gonna be Stratego the motion picture.

BoggleKng 11-06-2009 02:12 PM

Still waiting for the Smurf movie, dammit...

ThirdMarioBro 11-06-2009 02:12 PM

Make a movie about Mouse Trap. I'd go see that.

愛 11-06-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 732611)
So I'm not allowed to express concern about the current state of a industry I plan on entering? Yeah I don't have to see it but I also don't want to work on it either. My Dad used to joke the first film I'd end up working on would be a sequel to Doom now it's gonna be Stratego the motion picture.

Why would you enter an industry that you don't even like? Seems like all you do is complain about it. I'd find something else to do, or go "indies" or whatever.

I'd also go see a movie about Mouse Trap. That game takes 20 minutes to set up, and 5 minutes to play. :lol:

Spitfire 11-06-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ai (Post 732623)
Why would you enter an industry that you don't even like? Seems like all you do is complain about it. I'd find something else to do, or go "indies" or whatever.

Well that's gonna be the plan with the way things are going. Film is slowly moving away from Hollywood now anyways.With any luck that will turn things a bit. Can't deny what the public wants to see though. I might work in another country. Film in places like Europe is a lot different then here. When you watch a movie from there you often say "They wouldn't be allowed to do that here.". It's kinda like when you watch an old movie and say "You couldn't get away with that nowadays."

Brodie 11-06-2009 02:27 PM

Ai has a point. You complain about the state of film on a fairly consistent basis. Maybe you should just go into television, since it seems like they're being more creative on a more ragular basis.

For someone who touts about having their thumb on the pulse of the "industry", aware of the workings of film....you'd think you'd be more aware of the fact that the film industry, just like teens, have fads. This current fad? Sequels, remakes, TV and toy movies.

As expensive as they are, movies are the cheapest form of escapism. The economy is ****, but people can still pay 30 bucks to take their family to the movies. And you know what makes money? Toy movies, game movies, and you know what's more important? Sequels are safe. With the economy the way it is, its more fiscal to bank on sequels.

Just like everyone else, the film industry is trying to stay afloat, ensuring their longevity.

If you're so interested in getting into the film industry, maybe you should focus more on understanding why they're doing what they're doing, rather than bitching. As ****** as it is, they're ensuring that there's a career field for you to dream of getting into.

Wait til you have a job in that field before you start to complain about the abysmal state of the industry.

Spitfire 11-06-2009 07:18 PM

I'm fully aware of why they're doing what they're doing. I've observed the industry slowly moving further and further away from the type of films I'd like to make. While it's all business their business isn't serving them well. A lot of companies are still losing money because they see success in one type of film and all try to copy it. Copying the formula doesn't always work, in most cases it doesn't work at all.

You can call my opinions bitching, complaining, whining all you want it's no different then anything you guys do. You guys just get all upset about it for some reason like disliking the films you all enjoy makes me the anti-Christ.

Master Splinter 11-06-2009 07:58 PM

There are quite a few movies that are coming out this year and the next few years that I am looking forward to. Ya gotta remember that Hollywood isn't the only town making movies these days. And if your so concerned about what's being released, do the best thing ya can do, not watch it. There is so much entertainment in this world that there is likely going to be a bunch of crap. So just grin :evilgrin:, and keep doing what ya do, cause the more ya ridin' on the negative, the less you're enjoyin' the positive.

-mm

Peanut 11-07-2009 10:07 AM

I would have thought you'd grown out of "You hate me because I have different opinions" thing by now, Spit. Are you still 16?

PAAATE 11-08-2009 05:30 AM

These kinds of movies are what we have RiffTrax for :P

Spitfire 11-08-2009 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut (Post 732839)
I would have thought you'd grown out of "You hate me because I have different opinions" thing by now, Spit. Are you still 16?

Haha who used the words hate? I sure didn't. I find it interesting how hypocritical some of you can be. You love to call me out on this stuff when you do the exact same things I do. Maybe not with movies but I see you do it all the time in the video game threads.

Mecha Cow 11-08-2009 07:58 AM

I'd love to see some examples of that.

Candy Kappa 11-08-2009 08:28 AM

I want to see a remake of yor the hunter from the future...

Peanut 11-08-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 733103)
Haha who used the words hate? I sure didn't. I find it interesting how hypocritical some of you can be. You love to call me out on this stuff when you do the exact same things I do. Maybe not with movies but I see you do it all the time in the video game threads.

Uh? When does anyone in the VG section ever drop the "you don't like me because my opinion is different" comment? I wasn't talking about the fact that you're disagreeing with people. I was addressing your childish habit of acting like everyone hates you because you have different views.

It's sad that you really haven't developed at all over the years. You're still as deluded as ever. Hannah has even surpassed your maturity at this point.

Brodie 11-08-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 732632)
I might work in another country. Film in places like Europe is a lot different then here. When you watch a movie from there you often say "They wouldn't be allowed to do that here.".

I can't wait til America remakes that movie made in another country that you'll probably wont work on.

odupianist 11-09-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut (Post 733137)
Uh? When does anyone in the VG section ever drop the "you don't like me because my opinion is different" comment? I wasn't talking about the fact that you're disagreeing with people. I was addressing your childish habit of acting like everyone hates you because you have different views.

It's sad that you really haven't developed at all over the years. You're still as deluded as ever. Hannah has even surpassed your maturity at this point.

Hmm, we're arguing about how people have developed personally.... over the internet. Fail.

Leo656 11-10-2009 02:37 PM

All I care about is getting a He-Man movie, then a Thundercats movie. There's no excuse not to when every other licensed property is on it's second or third sequel by now. And By The Motherf***in' Power Of Motherf***in' Grayskull, a He-Man movie with a decent budget would be killer. And Thundercats never had anything at all past the toon and a few comics, so it deserves one.

I know I'm alone in caring. But I won't stop. F*ck "Transformers 3: More Robots Humpin'." He-Man and Thundercats.

XERO 11-10-2009 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 733685)
F*ck "Transformers 3: More Robots Humpin'."

To quote KROW, '... the hell?' :lol:

Peanut 11-10-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by odupianist (Post 733342)
Hmm, we're arguing about how people have developed personally.... over the internet. Fail.

When you talk to the same people for over half a decade, no matter in what form, you're going to be able to get a sense for that sort of thing.

And seriously, look how you're using the word "fail". That usage has become the most ironic thing on the Internet.

Candy Kappa 11-10-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 733685)
"Transformers 3: More Robots Humpin'.".

When I got the time I'm gonna make a transformer in 3D (G1 style, movie style are way complicated for the moment) and a 3D model of M. Bay, and do horrible stuff to him... :evil:

The Stryker 11-10-2009 07:59 PM

That'll show him!

I'm sure he'll cry all the way to his giant room of money.

Warhorse 11-10-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 733685)
All I care about is getting a He-Man movie, then a Thundercats movie. There's no excuse not to when every other licensed property is on it's second or third sequel by now. And By The Motherf***in' Power Of Motherf***in' Grayskull, a He-Man movie with a decent budget would be killer. And Thundercats never had anything at all past the toon and a few comics, so it deserves one.

I know I'm alone in caring. But I won't stop. F*ck "Transformers 3: More Robots Humpin'." He-Man and Thundercats.

I'd like to see not only He-Man, but She-Ra and her steed in the same movie too. It's been a while since I've seen a Pegasus in a live action flick. Last one I can remember was Clash of the Titans.

Leo656 11-10-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 733787)
That'll show him!

I'm sure he'll cry all the way to his giant room of money.

:lol::lol::lol: Seriously. "You know what? Transformers 2 DID suck. I'm just gonna give all the money back and post a public apology whilst fellating a giant 25th Anniversary Optimus Prime figure. THAT'll please the fans for sure!"

She-Ra's hot an' everything, but the first He-Man movie'd be too full to throw She-Ra into it. That's more of a spin-off series. Plus they'd just have Megan Fox do it and I'm already getting kinda sick of her. "We need a hot leading lady... OH! Get Megan Fox!" Like she's the only hot actress in Hollywood or something. When someone suggested her for Supergirl... boy, that annoyed me...

GK Punk 11-10-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 733833)
When someone suggested her for Supergirl... boy, that annoyed me...

That would make me sad :(

Spitfire 11-10-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut (Post 733137)
Uh? When does anyone in the VG section ever drop the "you don't like me because my opinion is different" comment?

That's not the issue, the issue is you give people **** for their opinion constantly. The fact you're too thick to see that at this point is quite vexing. Me stating that anyone doesn't like me due to my difference in opinion would imply I actually cared. I just get annoyed when I constantly have to explain myself.

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I wasn't talking about the fact that you're disagreeing with people. I was addressing your childish habit of acting like everyone hates you because you have different views.
I don't believe I act that way at all.

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It's sad that you really haven't developed at all over the years. You're still as deluded as ever. Hannah has even surpassed your maturity at this point.
Well I'm not alone there. You're like arguing with a brick wall. Even when you are wrong you're completely incapable of admitting it because for some reason your ego extremely inflated.

If you want to talk about childish behavior picking fights with people on the internet most certainly falls into that category. You've been doing it since I joined and you still continue to do it.

XERO 11-11-2009 08:10 AM

Has anybody else besides me notice that talking about giant robots here have somewhat verbally violent tendencies?

Peanut 11-11-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitefire
I don't believe I act that way at all.

Then you need to open your eyes, you've been given sh*t for it enough over the years.

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Originally Posted by Spitfire (Post 733838)
Well I'm not alone there. You're like arguing with a brick wall. Even when you are wrong you're completely incapable of admitting it because for some reason your ego extremely inflated.

If you want to talk about childish behavior picking fights with people on the internet most certainly falls into that category. You've been doing it since I joined and you still continue to do it.

I don't get into an arguments I know nothing about, that way I don't have to admit to being "wrong" because I won't be. I don't come into this section spouting sh*t about movies and TV, because I know nothing about it. I get into arguments in the VG section because I know what I'm talking about. And where opinions are concerned, which is often where I get in disagreements, it's impossible for there to even be a "right" or "wrong" side of the argument.

And really, I get the odd nut-job or man-crush coming after me every so often, but you've been ridiculed here by so many legitimate members of this community, so many times, I just thought you would have out grown the mindset of a teenager who has never lived in the real world.

Leo656 11-11-2009 05:04 PM

Voltron needs a movie, too. That's another one that's inexcusable in its absence. Everybody loves Voltron.

Warhorse 11-19-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 733833)
:lol::lol::lol: Seriously. "You know what? Transformers 2 DID suck. I'm just gonna give all the money back and post a public apology whilst fellating a giant 25th Anniversary Optimus Prime figure. THAT'll please the fans for sure!"

She-Ra's hot an' everything, but the first He-Man movie'd be too full to throw She-Ra into it. That's more of a spin-off series. Plus they'd just have Megan Fox do it and I'm already getting kinda sick of her. "We need a hot leading lady... OH! Get Megan Fox!" Like she's the only hot actress in Hollywood or something. When someone suggested her for Supergirl... boy, that annoyed me...

I can't see Megan Fox playing She-Ra either. I'd figure they would have to get a tall actress to play her. At least 5'10". But now that I see they are remaking Clash of the Titans, (rather funny I was talking about that) it looks like I'll get to see a live action Pegasus sooner than I thought, so She-Ra in the He-Man movie can hold off for now.


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