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Vivi 03-25-2010 02:10 AM

LOST - season 6
 
I'm sure there are a few Lost fans floating around.
So far I have reached season 6 episode 9 where finally some things have been inconclusively revealed.

The show feels like it's been slowly ambling along until now, and even though Richard's backstory has been one of the more interesting so far, if this turns out to be
Spoiler:
a good vs evil thing, with a little religious mumbo jumbo thrown in, I will feel a little disappointed.
Things that are "explained":
-Richard (angry and confused that Jacob has been killed) has told his Lostie group that they are dead and that they are in hell.
-Jacob has told Richard that the island is more like a cork, stopping the evil swirling out from the bottle.
-Jacob cannot bring people back from the dead or absolve their sins.
-Jacob also told Richard that he brings people to the island to prove that they can make good choices without interference.
-Richard has been granted eternal life by Jacob, after being shipwrecked on the island in the 19th century.
-Smokey (as the Man In Black) told Richard that Jacob was the devil and needed to be killed.
-Smokey has said that he just wants to go home.
-Richard gets his as* handed to him on a platter when he tries to stab Jacob, whom then dunks him in the ocean a few times and confirms he is actually living.
-Jacob has denied being the devil. Claims Smokey to be the bitter and angry one.
-Hurley speaks to Richard's dead wife, and passes on the message that Smokey is the devil.

What?!

It still feels a little tacked on to me at this late stage in the series. There are gaping plot holes if this turns out to be the sole explanation (which hopefully it isn't). What interests me, which has not been explained so far, are the strong Egyptian references in the show.
Consider:
- The broken statue is the Egyptian fertility goddess Tauret, destroyed by the Black Rock on a tidal wave. Being able to give birth here seems to be a long term problem.
-The Egyptian hieroglyphics in the hatch on the time panel.
- Egyptian hieroglyphics in the temple's secret passageway.

There have even been theories flying around how the island is actually Eden, which some evidence points to. But so far I'm getting strong vibes of Stephen King's "The Stand".


http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_art...nist/cork2.jpg

Any other theories or opinions on the show so far? Please share.

Mecha Cow 03-25-2010 02:21 AM

Yup, I'm still watching and loving it.

Spoiler:
How can you say the good vs. evil thing is tacked on, though? It's pretty clear that it's one of the central themes of the show, and it was established all the way back in the second episode (I'm not saying they had the whole show planned out at that time, but the basics where there, at least) with the black/white thing.

At this point I'm just really wondering who or what Jacob and the Man in Black are.

Also, if anyone posts in here without spoiler tags, there's going to be trouble. I know how it goes around here. Just use the damn tags.

PAAATE 03-25-2010 02:33 AM

I like it too, but I seriously have to ask

Spoiler:
Has there been an explanation yet, as to how Charles Widmore fits into this whole thing? In that case, I must've forgotten about it. Cos for a long time I thought this primarily was about Widmore vs. Jacob, but then the Man in Black showed up... :P

Vivi 03-25-2010 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow (Post 762740)
Yup, I'm still watching and loving it.

Spoiler:
How can you say the good vs. evil thing is tacked on, though? It's pretty clear that it's one of the central themes of the show, and it was established all the way back in the second episode (I'm not saying they had the whole show planned out at that time, but the basics where there, at least) with the black/white thing.


Hm, good point.
Spoiler:
I guess that I think it's tacked on because it's more of a non-explanation than an explanation. As you've said, good vs evil has been a central theme. The sense that Smokey is bad and Jacob is good has been around for a while. It's almost too simplistic for a show that has become intricately convoluted. I still think that there will be more big reveals to come, and a twist. There's always a twist.

Mecha Cow 03-25-2010 06:36 AM

Spoiler:
Well, I'm not sure if it's that black and white (no pun intended). The Man in Black, especially in his Locke form, can be quite sympathetic at times, and Jacob's motives and methods remain questionable. I think despite all the black/white stuff, the show emphasizes the shades of gray. I wouldn't worry about things being too simple.

Ninjinister 03-25-2010 07:43 AM

I actually can't believe nobody's posted about this before. I kept telling myself to dig up the old topic on it but I never got around to it.

This season has had some genuinely amazing episodes. My favorites so far have been episodes 4, 7, and 9.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAAATE (Post 762743)
I like it too, but I seriously have to ask

Spoiler:
Has there been an explanation yet, as to how Charles Widmore fits into this whole thing? In that case, I must've forgotten about it. Cos for a long time I thought this primarily was about Widmore vs. Jacob, but then the Man in Black showed up... :P

Spoiler:
Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.

Duke 03-25-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister (Post 762769)
Spoiler:
Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.

Spoiler:
Well since he was a co-leader of the others at one point, that would kind of mean he'd have to be anti-MiB. I mean if you're pro-Jacob (which the others clearly were at least until Jacob's death) then by default you'd be anti-MiB.

PAAATE 03-25-2010 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister (Post 762769)
Spoiler:
Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.

Really? Damn, I have to rewatch the whole series in the summer. It's too big to remember everything :P

Ninjinister 03-25-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke (Post 762771)
Spoiler:
Well since he was a co-leader of the others at one point, that would kind of mean he'd have to be anti-MiB. I mean if you're pro-Jacob (which the others clearly were at least until Jacob's death) then by default you'd be anti-MiB.

Who knows with this show, though? People switch sides like crazy, and sometimes they pretend to instead.

I swear it's like Survivor but with a plot and a big floating smoke cloud. And you know, watchable.

Raph's Girl 03-25-2010 02:15 PM

Spoiler:
Well if they're just gonna do the Egyptian theme and the statue is Taweret, the Hippo/Lion goddess of Fertility, then Smokey would be Apep aka Apophis (the demon god of darkness and chaos) as she (Tawaret) was his wife!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

Ninjinister 03-25-2010 02:25 PM

Yeah I don't think the statue and Smokey are married. That's kind of... yeah.

Vivi 03-25-2010 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl (Post 762884)
Spoiler:
Well if they're just gonna do the Egyptian theme and the statue is Taweret, the Hippo/Lion goddess of Fertility, then Smokey would be Apep aka Apophis (the demon god of darkness and chaos) as she (Tawaret) was his wife!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

^Interesting thought.
Spoiler:
It's funny that Apep is described as the demon god of darkness because that is what Jacob describes him as - 'darkness' (again with the black/white references). Smokey has also said that Jacob turned him into a disembodied form. Following the link, Apep appears to be a serpent-like god. Other people have suggested that the Island may be the garden of eden, again Smokey being the devil serpent.
I'm still not utterly convinced that Jacob is the good guy, either.


Another explanation in the Egyptology vein:
Seth and Horus battle it out on a floating island. Sound familiar? More info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFf3Xcs8qBU
http://forum.lostpedia.com/great-bat...th-t51871.html

So by this reasoning-
Seth = MIB/Smokey
Horus or Osiris = Jacob


Mr. Snackpants 03-25-2010 10:01 PM

Spoiler:
This season has been amazing. The Richard episode this Tuesday was my favorite of the entire series. I had been waiting for an episode about Richard for a while and this one gave us his entire story, along with a lot of answers about Jacob and MiB.

I love how the good vs evil theme is playing out. I find it amazing that in all of this craziness over the past 5 years, the story is as simple as that. That's the beauty of it all.

We found out why Jacob brings people to the island and it all makes perfect sense.

The four letter word that people have speculating over is revealed as "cork".

People I know are taking the statements about being in hell too seriously. They are not dead. They are not in hell. Jacob was speaking metaphorically.

I have been this psyched for Lost since season 2. I hope the next two months build of the awesomeness that was "Ab Aeterno".

Ninjinister 03-25-2010 10:24 PM

I don't know how anything can top last Tuesday's episode, but this show keeps surprising me.

Spoiler:
Word is, though, episode 6.15 is supposed to be centered around both Jacob AND the MiB.

ThirdMarioBro 03-25-2010 11:10 PM

This stupid show is still on?

Roseangelo 03-26-2010 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro (Post 763113)
This stupid show is still on?

If you don't like it, that's fine. But this comment was really unnecessary and amounts to nothing more than trolling.

Mecha Cow 03-26-2010 07:18 AM

Quote:

This stupid show is still on?
You called Tim Burton a "god." I don't think anyone's going to take your opinion seriously after that.

Duke 03-26-2010 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecha Cow (Post 763189)
You called Tim Burton a "god." I don't think anyone's going to take your opinion seriously after that.

Hahaha


Spoiler:
I agree that the last episode was the best of the entire series. And I'm really excited for the inevitable back story of MiB and Jacob. I mean if MiB is to be taken at his word when he spoke with Kate, we do know that he has a "crazy" mother. I'm wondering if this plays into his and Jacob's relationship at all or if he was just making it up to manipulate Kate.

Barkworm 03-26-2010 09:41 AM

I think the quality of the show has been in decline since season 5 but I agree that the latest epsiode was awesome.

Vivi 03-31-2010 07:41 PM

S6 Ep 10

Jin and Sun flash sideways:

Spoiler:
This episode seemed to drag out something (the war?) that is going to eventually happen, eventually. It was pretty dull compared to last week, but the fact that we get to see Mikhail again (Andrew Divoff: whom should get an Oscar just for existing) made up for it.

That Desmond is some kind of package that can stop the Man In Black, had me at a bit of a loss...and why they are seeking the places of magnetic energy as mapped by the Dharma group? Hm.

R-iZZy 04-01-2010 02:44 AM

I'm amazed it took this long for someone to make a thread about this show. It's seriously the most epic show on television today! EPIC!

Spoiler:
And I guess we now understand that Charles Widmore actually is about carrying out Jacob's bidding, which is to keep the Man in Black on the island. So does this make Widmore a good guy?

poiuytre 04-01-2010 02:48 PM

They're really ramping up on the mythological aspect of the island and I'm loving it so far. As much as I love Lost as a character-centric show, the current direction has me on the edge of my seat. I might also add that while it took me 5 to 6 seasons, I'm finally hooked on Terry O'Quinn. His performances absolutely floored me these last two seasons.

Spoiler:
Very eager to see who the man in black is and why he is trapped there. It remains to be seen how clear-cut evil he is supposed to be. The only fear I still have is how they might end it. The chances for a reboot are pretty high with these flash-sideways(what do we call this?), but it would be an incredibly lame to finish.

My wife also pointed out a lot of these flash-sideways episodes involve characters looking in mirrors and being upset. It's probably nothing relevant to the story, but she is definitely right that the directors made a theme out of it.

Vivi 04-01-2010 05:31 PM

^^

I've always loved Locke, he's like a tragic anti-hero. And now...I don't know what he is, but he's certainly gripping.

Put Locke, Ben or Sawyer in an episode and I'm happy.

Ninjinister 04-01-2010 08:51 PM

This week's episode wasn't one of those "epic" ones, but it did answer a lot of questions I had about

Spoiler:
Sun and Jin's flash-sideways versions.

Also, it was great seeing Mikhail again, and the shot in the eye thing was a nice touch.

Interesting how (back on the island, in the standard timeline), now Sun cannot speak English, and Jin can... which is the opposite of how it was when the series began.

And finally.... DEZZIE'S BACK! HELL YES!

The bagpipes playing Amazing Grace in next week's teaser gives me the chills...


Vivi 04-02-2010 04:05 AM

^^
Spoiler:
Could Desmond's secret power be playing the bagpipes??:P

Vivi 04-07-2010 11:23 AM

Ep 11 - Des

Spoiler:
This episode was epic, I wish the rest of the season was this good, I liked it better than Richard's episode, even. It did my head in a little and tied up some things in interesting ways, that's for sure...some of the connections to others are seriously getting incestuous. And, the guest list was outstanding:
Charlie!
Daniel Faraday!
What's not to like?


I'm adding Des Hume to characters always worth watching. This episode felt like a movie as so much happened.

Ninjinister 04-07-2010 01:28 PM

A lot of people are calling "Happily Ever After" best of the season thus far, but I'd actually have to disagree. Yes, it was epic and kicked all sorts of ass, but I still liked Ab Aeterno more. I also felt it paled in comparison to Desmond's other amazing eps such as Flashes Before Your Eyes and The Constant. Nevertheless, this was still a very enjoyable episode and

Spoiler:
thank GOD they're finally getting to weave the flash-sideways timeline into something relevant.

Duke 04-07-2010 02:31 PM

Everyone keeps calling them flash-sideways but are they? Aren't they technically 3 years in the past from what's currently happening on the island?

PAAATE 04-07-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister (Post 765740)
Spoiler:
thank GOD they're finally getting to weave the flash-sideways timeline into something relevant.

Agreed. I was beginning to get worried that the writers were gonna **** that up royally :P

Ninjinister 04-07-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke (Post 765747)
Everyone keeps calling them flash-sideways but are they? Aren't they technically 3 years in the past from what's currently happening on the island?

Technically, yes, but that's the official term given to them nevertheless. Don't ask why; I questioned them myself.

Ninjinister 04-14-2010 05:15 PM

Last night's ep was decent. The Hurley stuff was standard fare for the character, other than the fact that now it looks like he's starting to play a bigger role, taking a leadership stance. Character development is always good.

Spoiler:
The Desmond and Locke scenes are what got me excited in this one, though. On the island, MIB obviously feared Desmond's placid demeanor and felt the need to go Anna Morgan on him and toss him down a well. Meanwhile, in the other timeline, Desmond nonchalantly hits the crippled schoolteacher Locke with his car. BRUTALLY. And yet, it felt epic as hell.

All that aside, I'm really liking the some of the next episode previews this year. First was the chilling bagpipe one for "Happily Ever After". Now, we have an equally unsettling and creepy one featuring a vocal clip of Gene Wilder shouting "The Rowing Song" from Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.



If anyone remembers that scene from the movie, you definitely know wonderfully spooky and fitting it is.

Vivi 04-15-2010 08:13 PM

Agreed.
Spoiler:
The Desmond and Locke scenes are what made this episode for me, as it is progressing the main story. And he Sparta kicked Des down the well, and if that doesn't have evil written all over it, what does?
That said, I liked Hurley's sideflash, and loved that he finally got to remeet Libby.

Next week's episode looks good...and that music is DAMN creepy!

Duke 05-05-2010 07:36 AM

Most depressing episode ever.

Vivi 05-08-2010 02:16 AM

Finally have got around to seeing this episode. "The Candidate"

Spoiler:
omg. Jin and Sun :cry: Sayid :cry:

I don't know what the hell is going on in this show anymore. It seems to be convalescing into a big mess. I miss original Locke. Killing off main characters so haphazardly over a threat THAT IS STILL NOT FULLY EXPLAINED is not doing the show justice. Although, this episode was wayy better than the one before it.

Ninjinister 05-11-2010 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivi (Post 773477)
Finally have got around to seeing this episode. "The Candidate"

Spoiler:
omg. Jin and Sun :cry: Sayid :cry:

I don't know what the hell is going on in this show anymore. It seems to be convalescing into a big mess. I miss original Locke. Killing off main characters so haphazardly over a threat THAT IS STILL NOT FULLY EXPLAINED is not doing the show justice. Although, this episode was wayy better than the one before it.

You forgot...


Spoiler:
FRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!

Peanut 05-11-2010 11:02 PM

I really feel like the show has gone to complete hell, and they've proven, episode after episode for the past 2 seasons, that they really have no f*cking idea what they're doing.

That being said, I have tickets to go watch the finale at the huge movie theater by my place when the time comes. As much as I disliked last season, and absolutely loathe this season, I'm looking forward to it.

Panda Khan 05-16-2010 02:03 PM

This season hasn't been the best but I still find it enjoyable. The flash-sideways are the low point IMO...I have no idea where they are going with them, but I hope it won't be a big letdown. I felt the same way when they were jumping through time in Season 5 but after rewatching Season 5 and knowing the whole situation with Flocke, I found it really good.
Another gripe I have with the final season is all the mysteries revealed seem rushed and filler until the series finale....I mean, of course it's the final season but some of the biggest mysteries are given simple explanations that are kinda of anticlimactic...such as how the statue tumbled, what exactly the numbers are, Christian on the Island, the Island itself, The Adam and Eve corpses...just seems kinda...blah whatever...lets wrap it up quick.

ZariusTwo 05-17-2010 01:37 AM

People NEVER like the "bilbical revelation" because it's the one everyone turns their back on in science-fiction to a point...not that they don't COMPLETLY, it's just they don't like "God did it" as an explanation.

I don't think the Island being a cork for an ancient quasi-blibcal evil is anti-climatic at all, the religious themes of the series were prevailant with Locke and Eko at the beggining.

Panda Khan 05-17-2010 07:37 PM

I don't have a problem with the biblical explanations or the religion/philosophy intertwined into the story since that's what attracted me to the show in the first place.
The explanations just seem rushed, like someone who procrastinated until the last minute to write a 20 page essay that is due the next morning.
Like the numbers for instance, all this time the candidate numbers reappearing throughout the series...."Oh, well Jacob just had a thing for numbers." the end. Or a huge wave crashing the Black Rock into the statue...which basically killed two birds with one stone since it explained what happened to the statue and why the boat was landlocked.
I still love the show...I just hope it doesn't end up being someone's dream or something stupid like that...even though they have denied it....they also denied time travel, too.

Ninjinister 05-17-2010 07:49 PM

Christian's appearance is the only one that bugged me, really, because it contradicts the evidence that we've seen that the explanation we got is not what was going on.


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