Killing and Violence In TMNT
 

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!

*poke* Go read the original Mirage series ^^

Yes, the original TMNT was not made for children. So if if you are intrested in mature TMNT you should get into it.

If your asking for violence on TV forget it, while fox might have given us some death in the past with X-Men (its been a while so I can't rember how the deaths were done, I know at least the deaths with the Leagacy virus). But as for death on the current show, it won't happen, its the censors, people have gotten to the point where nothing really cool can be shown on a network show. If it were cable then the possibility of death would increase and as much as death would increase the show, as long as Fox has control it won't happen. Hell be glad Mick kept his weapon and isn't down to using a yo-yo or some thing

The new show has death, but it all happens off screen. It's true that thats all we are going to get for Saturday morning show, but it's still good. You have to remember that Mirage does not have very graphical deaths either.

Funny from what I've seen of the new show there dosn't appear to be any death, the one possible was the purple drangon leader in the first ep, and we've seen him, or at least his chacter design sence (I think hes in the preveiw of the up coming ep).

I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists.

The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

You know... I never really thought the Mirage series was really "adult" oriented. Just because there's 'killing' in it doesn't really make it more adult IMO. I think it was geared towards teens actually.

We came to that conclusion in of these threads due the fact that Not one of the told Shredder that they encountered the TMNT in sewress. But that is one of the un clear ones, Still it's odd that if it would have finished Casey, why not the foot. How about the preview? Is the PD gang leader really shown in it?


About Mirage, it is made for young adults. Comics like Spider-man are made for teens. They hace death, utwriting is pretty superficial. In Mirage the plots and character interaction is much more mature.

Well i just watched the preview and that purple dragon guy isn't in it.

So we have atleast one clear death thus far. About Baxter being dragged away, once someone here said that Baxter will turn into a fly in the series. I had to look word Baxter in the spoilers to prove him wrong



Thats why I doubt he is really dead this time either. So everything else but the PD leader is arguable, but we all know what happens in the origin story. It's a diffrent thing how they are going to animate it.

What about Casey's dad? In the flashback we just saw Hun coming out of the burning shop and saying: "Tell your dad to pay next time or else..." then the flashback ended and Casey was crying. So Jones senior could be dead.

Yeah, it's suggested. But it isn't there even off screen. Because hun said "next time" one has to believe he survived the fire.

I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

*watches episode again*

Let's see here... When we see the Tech Ninjas through the googles, there appears to be 8 of them. After Casey is hanged over the water, there is only 5 left surrounding the Turtles. Then the one who held Casey drops into the whirlpool. Then we see a shot showing the five Tech Ninjas left standing plus two unconscious ones, and the five falls into the whirlpool. But now there is three unconscious Ninjas!

And in the final scene six of them shows up for Saki. So, I guess they could've survived the whirlpool... (Darn, why couldn't they have just three at the end, so we could have presumed the whirlpool-ones dead... :P)

thou if u remember when casey was down in the last ep it was sorta cool how they had there weapens up in a gang way to be all certain hes dead or say kill him or what ever u know what i mean made u want to think uh oh we of cource know he would survive but u know what I mean

Casey had tears in his eyes when he finished the story, he looked sad. They were no tears of rage. But like I said earlier, it's just a hint, not even off screen one like the PD leader.

Re: Killing and Violence In TMNT
 

I am going to speak my piece, and then leave this thread be.

Why is it that so many people around here just have to have killing and slaughtering in order for a cartoon show to be cool? How many times have I heard people say, "Well, those fights better be realistic!" or "They better fight with their weapons!" or "I want to see heads rolling because I want to see some realistic fights with their weapons!"

I, for one, am very content with there being no killing in the Ninja Turtles cartoon (I'm referring to the old one). This is why I don't read the comics, or prefer the movies. Too much violence.

In a time of war, when soldiers and innocent people alike are dying, to start a thread such as this one is stupid.

That's right. It's stupid. Go chew on that for a while.

"Yo, bro! Peace, dude!" - Michaelangelo, from "Attack of Big MACC"

One of the reasons I don't like threads like this is because I have friends who are fighting in this stupid war. They got dragged out of college to go engage in some hissy fit they have nothing to do with.

I may never see those people again. I may never get to laugh or cry with them. They're out there fighting to protect our freedom.

And then I come on the boards and read stuff like, "Shucky darn dag nabbit, I sure wish there was more violence in the Ninja Turtles!"

God, I hate that. God, I hate war. God, I need to get off here and relax.

Peace.

Are you a pacifist of some sort? Don't you like movies like "Terminator" or "The Matrix" because they are violent? TMNT=Teenage Mutant NINJA turtles. Original TMNT is realistic, the TMNT don't go out murdering people, but they do fight with their enemies. They don't go look for trouble, they hide from humans, but still tend to get involved in things.

Thats what TMNT originally were, and is what it's supposed to be. Of course the old cartoon couldn't have shown anything like this, it was originally produced by Toy company and Targeted at kids. The new show, while doesn't have any real violence shown on screen, manages to produce the feeling of Original TMNT quite well.

Of course to each his own, some people like the realistic, sometimes violent deeply plotted TMNT, and others light hearted childrens' cartoon with slapstcik humour. We both have clearly said wich we prefer.

Karpo: His goal is to be a children's book author or something like that :roll:

Anyway, here's what I think should happen: keep the current cartoon on the air as it is, but some time in the future start a TMNT series geared more towards the older auidience, even CLOSER to the Mirage universe than this current cartoon is. To get a general idea of how this more mature series should be, watch the CGI pilot :D

Man i love that pilot

I love the pilots
but it takes me to long to download for me so I have only
been able to download shortclip one
I cant wait to download the others

I do not think violence is the means to solve a problem, if that's what you're getting at. I'm a Christian, and I believe disputes can be solved by talking them out and acting rationally.

I heard a saying once that goes something along the lines of, "The man who resorts to using his fists is a man who's run out of good ideas."

I didn't like "The Matrix" because I thought it was a stupid movie. You'd be surprised by how many people don't like that movie. Just because they made two sequels for it doesn't make it any good.

The reason I don't like violence in Ninja Turtles is because I just don't associate the two together. For me, that would be like putting peanut-butter and fish eggs together; they don't mix, at least not in my world.

I grew up with the old cartoon. Call it slapstick humor, call it goofy, call it whatever you want. But it was okay to watch; it was safe. I open up a Mirage comic book, and it's like I've stepped into an alien world. It's hardly recognizeable.

You can't watch a cartoon nowadays for five seconds without one of the characters trying to kill somebody.

"Why fight when you can eat?" - Michaelangelo, from "Leatherhead Meets the Rat King"

And what exactly do you mean by that comment?

"I don't like this." - Irma, from "Combat Land"

He does have a point, I may not agree with everything he says, but he has a point, and some more humor in the show wouldn't hurt as long as it was used right (maybe Jackie Chan style combat comidy)

I don't think there would be anything wrong with this new cartoon being more voilent. Kids today really are more used to this stuff. Kids know that they are fake and won't go trying to kill anyone or anything. They will play around and horse play yes but if you take off every show that has kids horse play like that you would'nt have many shows on T.V. anymore. For example kids see football on T.V. then they get thier friends to go play football in their backyard or something. One gets hurt because of what he saw on T.V. but is there something wrong with football? No. Would there be something wrong with more voilence on the new show? No. Well to a certain extent. I don't think they should show a bunch of blood or anything but maybe somethine like what Leo did to shredder on the first movie where he cut him. I see nothing wrong with stuff like that. They don't need to go all out and start cutting peoples heads off or anything. I am totally fine with the way they are doing this new show. Some great work done here. I am not sure if I would like it better if it was on Adult Swim or something like that. One thing I would like to do one day is get into the first series of comics. I just need to stop being lay and get one issue. I am sure I would be hooked after that.

Re: Killing and Violence In TMNT
 

:nod: Oh yeah... that's what the Mirage Comic Book series was for... :D

More violence in the new cartoon wouldn't work, atleast no on TV. The rules are pretty strick I think, and if it's too violent it will need to be edited or it won't air.


And growing up with the old cartoon does not mean the those people would prefer it. I was extremely heppy when I found out that the TMNT were not originally children's thing. As Im older, I enjoy the deeply plotted Mirage series much more than te old cartoon. But of course, this all depends on the person.

First, I don't see any reason to bring in the war in this discussion.

Second, I'm happy with the amount of violence in the new show. They fight, they can really cut loose sometimes (like, against Mousers). What I want to see is implied things, like for example the PD leader in the first episode. Everyone can have their own idea of what happened to him.

There was violence in the sequels? ;)

I'd like to say one thing to all the people who want more violence.

While most people/kids may smart, watch one hurt his friend imitating the TMNT because they saw it on TV and there will be hell to pay. Thats why we only see them distroying machines, if we see people getting stabed or bleed then it becomes imatatable, and some kid may do it and not realise the full extent of his.her actions. And when the parents find out they will raise hell aginst the TMNT and the odds of it being removed or retooled to a younger audiance increase.

Lets face it we've all seen the reports on Kids and backyard wrestling, and having them cut each other broken light blubs, the only reason they get off is it is pointed at an adult level audiance/time slot. The TMNT is on at a time slot geared at kids, thus the people in charge of it have to do everything in there power to guard aginst acts that could be replictaed and have life threatening probable results.

You may want to denie what I've seen but we've all seen at least one story about a kid thats broken /tried to kill/injured some one or them self by accendent imatating something they saw.

The level we're at is probly as good as we'll ever get as long as it remains on Fox

You got a point, the TMNT probably shouldn't be a show on kids block. The new show does make compromises and manages to get the feel of Original TMNT pretty good. It even has off screen death. I think the violence level is fine in it, and probably the maximum that can be on a kids' time slot.

I do see the reason to bring war to this discussion. I just think it's inappropriate to be saying things like, "I sure wish there was more killing in the Ninja Turtles!" when there's a real war going on, with real people getting injured or killed.

As far as violence in the sequels, having Vanilla Ice in the second movie was violent enough for me. I know people who break out in uncontrollable jerks and spasms when he comes on the screen, and we have to hold those people down with fluffy pillows. :P

Now I haven't said anything about the new cartoon. I have not been able to watch it, since we don't get FOX BOX where I go to school, and we don't get that station in my hometown. So I'm just going to have to take peoples' words that this show has a moderate amount of violence.

I don't mind the Turtles destroying a bunch of Foot Soldiers (even though, I know, they're real people in this cartoon) or Mousers. I just don't like the idea of Raphael stabbing a real person with his sai or Leonardo slicing a real person's arm off.

Thankfully, it hasn't come to that yet.

"It's way past time for my midnight snack break." - Bebop, from "Night of the Dark Turtle"

President Bush is Christian too. You wanna tell that to him?

Well, I'm pretty sure that children's book authors are the calm type in the way that you describe yourself.

I know, I know. A lot of people don't exactly agree with his decision. But then, a lot of people think we should have finished the job 13 years ago when we had the chance.

There are too many what ifs.

But trying to put things into perspective, no matter what President Bush does, he's not going to please everyone. If he doesn't declare war, people will be upset. If he does declare war, people will be upset.

If people would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have this problem. But I don't ever see world peace happening. We don't have it in us.

"Peace? Who wants peace?" - Burne Thompson, from "Plan 6 from Outer Space"

Yes, but it's not like there is only one war going on right now in the whole world, so you could use that argument in every discussion like this anytime...

Let me clarify a thing, I don't want to see any cuts or blood like something in a adult anime movie, that will make the viewer go "Ewwww". A good example on what I like is in the latest episode, when you can see Mikey (through his goggles) hit the Ninjas with his nunchucks so they fall of screen, without any blood.


BTW, at which time of the day did Batman originally air, and what did parents think of its use of realistic weapons?

I just wanted everyone to know and make clear I didnt make this topic to make it bad toward the war or say hey lets kill its just I find i'm being I dont know how to say it but like to see a little change something to be like more action in the show the last shows violence towards casey with beating him up was sorta cool I mean violence as action not as a sence to say hey I dont want everyone to think killing its good, ninja turtles is a fantasy adventure show which has good stories as well as some bad ones but all in all I hope this clears it up i'm just a action guy and over the years of watching the turtles I get tired of seeing the same old like a mabie a lil surprise you know? its not like they could really kill someone but fake you out or something you know? I dont know its what ever u guys feel is your opinion but thanks for all the replys and interest :roll:

There would be absolutely no problem with more violence in the new show. Not that it doesn't have alot more than the original cartoon but they could still get away w/ more. At first i was like man maybe they were pushing the limits the way it is now. I mean it is a kids tv line up but then after last week i discided that they could have the violence of the chain and nobody would complain. Why u ask. I'll tell you why, because when they chose to interrupt the foxbox line up with war coverage. Thats why. I mean you would have to make a cartoon extremely violent to come close to some of the violence they show during the war coverage.

IF TMNT = foxbox line up
and foxbox line up = war coverage
and war coverage = violence
Then TMNT = Violence