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Mutated Turtle 05-21-2010 04:04 AM

Is Krang a Utrom?
 
Krang and a Utrom look alike,but is Krang an Utrom???

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 04:15 AM

No.
his looks are only based off the Utrom species.

Krang is a Dimension X warlord, that got exiled from his own world and his body. One of the OT episodes Krang Clones himself, the clones grows back their bodies, you can see how Krang looked like before he became a brain with a face.

While the Utroms are naturally squid looking

besides there huge differences between a Utrom and Krang, when you look at them, like different numbers of tentacles and body type.

Koi 05-21-2010 06:45 AM

I a picture of Krang before he looked like a squid, he looked kind of lizardy to me.

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 06:53 AM

one of the Clones of Krang, so basically he'd look similar to this

http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krang5.jpg

sdp 05-21-2010 10:08 AM

Who knows but I do know that is one line to piss off Krang.

Wait a second....I see what you did there, you found a way to sneak another "line to piss off.." thread, clever.


Well other lines would include, "Hey krang why is your robot body naked?, wait why are YOU naked?"

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-21-2010 10:33 AM

Purple Dragon Gang
 
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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa (Post 775642)
No.
his looks are only based off the Utrom species.

Krang is a Dimension X warlord, that got exiled from his own world and his body. One of the OT episodes Krang Clones himself, the clones grows back their bodies, you can see how Krang looked like before he became a brain with a face.

While the Utroms are naturally squid looking

besides there huge differences between a Utrom and Krang, when you look at them, like different numbers of tentacles and body type.

Maybe, maybe not. I think it's not mentioned. It's the same like if the street punk gang in "Turtle Tracks" of the 1987 TMNT cartoon is the Purple Dragon Gang. The name is not mentioned, but it is at least based on the Purple Dragon Gang.

sdp 05-21-2010 10:59 AM

Is it stated they grew back their bodies and they weren't just maybe enhancements?

There is also the other OT episode that shows Krang with others like him.

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by J 1982 (Post 775672)
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's not mentioned. It's the same like if the street punk gang in "Turtle Tracks" of the 1987 TMNT cartoon is the Purple Dragon Gang. The name is not mentioned, but it is at least based on the Purple Dragon Gang.

it's very clear that Krang is not a Utrom. "Invasion of the Krangezoids" clearly shows that Krang had a body, not to mention Peter's sketch for a real body Krang figure. Krang have never been called a Utrom, he's from a different dimension while the Utroms are from a different planet.

The episode having flashback where Krang are among his kind and they are brain like creatures in bubble-walkers like him, have been contradicted by the show many times. Krang have said several times that he had a body before he got exiled out off Dimension X.

Teddy 05-21-2010 12:02 PM

There is also an Utrom named Krang, but they're not the same character of course. Just done as a joke I'm sure. In the 2k3 series when the Utroms are all escaping into the transmat one of the Utroms complains about having to walk on their tenticles and another Utrom says "Oh shut up, Krang!"...or something like that. Details escape me at the moment. *shrugs*

gobo 05-21-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 775683)
Is it stated they grew back their bodies and they weren't just maybe enhancements?

Krang thought they were going to stay disembodied brains. He even built them all bubble walkers. And, Donatello suggested that the bodies were part of their DNA and they were just regrowing them the way a lizard regrows a tail. Still, since David Wise wrote this one himself, it's pretty safe to say that it was meant to be Krang's original form.
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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 775683)
There is also the other OT episode that shows Krang with others like him.

I'm a little fuzzy on the details of that flashback, but I think it's best to think of that as being his scientists AFTER they got their matching haircuts. It's less irritating than thinking it was just the work of some clueless hack who doesn't pay attention to detail.
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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa (Post 775696)
not to mention Peter's sketch for a real body Krang figure.

Ooh! Link please. :thyper:

sdp 05-21-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 775704)
I'm a little fuzzy on the details of that flashback, but I think it's best to think of that as being his scientists AFTER they got their matching haircuts. It's less irritating than thinking it was just the work of some clueless hack who doesn't pay attention to detail.

what?

I was thinking that maybe they also got their bodies taken away like Krang did, that would explain it. Is that what you meant with the haircut thing?

Anyways it wouldn't be some clueless hack since that flashback happened before they ever showed his body so that would have meant it was later retconned.

gobo 05-21-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 775707)
I was thinking that maybe they also got their bodies taken away like Krang did, that would explain it. Is that what you meant with the haircut thing?

Exactly. It's a metaphor. The barber just took a little too much off the top. :P
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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 775707)
Anyways it wouldn't be some clueless hack since that flashback happened before they ever showed his body so that would have meant it was later retconned.

True, but retconning is irritating any way you slice it.

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 775704)

Ooh! Link please. :thyper:

looked around at Laird's blog, I saw it there. But without luck I found it on a different site

http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krangbody.jpg

Andrew NDB 05-21-2010 01:15 PM

If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.

hudemx 05-21-2010 01:20 PM

Even though I'm not an expert on this Part of the OT I had my own Version of the Story back the Days:

The Body Krang lost, when he was banished from Dimension X, was a Androidbody. He always was just the "brain" he is - Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?
Then there was that scene which showed others like Krang walking around in Bubblewalker in a Flashback (Krang with a mustache was prizeless), which would also support this theory.
The Lizards that the Krang-Clones became could also have been a pre-evolutional Form of Krangs own Race, they evoluted backwards.

sry if I made some mistakes in the short Text, remember english isn't the language I grew up with...

John Pannozzi 05-21-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 775713)
If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.

BTW, I've heard that Dan Berger gave Krang that backstory in the TMNT comic strip. Anyone here know more about that strip and Krang's role in it ?

discordiatookie 05-21-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pannozzi (Post 775718)
BTW, I've heard that Dan Berger gave Krang that backstory in the TMNT comic strip. Anyone here know more about that strip and Krang's role in it ?

I'm afraid not. I find it a sin that the strips were never collected either, i'd love to see them in print. Sigh.

ToTheNines 05-21-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hudemx (Post 775714)
Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?

Voice recognition.

Cipher 05-21-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 775735)
Voice recognition.

Yep. Even the clones had their same voices when they regrew their bodies.

On a side note, am I the only one who kind of wanted to see Krang get his body back and go toe-to-toe with the Turtles at some point? One of the many avenues I wish the Fred Wolf cartoon would have explored.

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Who knows but I do know that is one line to piss off Krang.

Wait a second....I see what you did there, you found a way to sneak another "line to piss off.." thread, clever.


Well other lines would include, "Hey krang why is your robot body naked?, wait why are YOU naked?"
God damn it, why does this keep happening?

hudemx 05-21-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 775735)
Voice recognition.

Well, but it seems Traag hasn't heard him when Krang called him by his Name. He keeps looking for the Neutrinos until he looks down and sees Krang.

So he must have known how his "brain" looked like!

gobo 05-21-2010 03:05 PM

The heads of the full-bodied Krang clones were almost the exact same shape as Krang. I believe it was an exoskeleton situation. Still, where the body hid those arm tentacles is anyone's guess.

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 775713)
If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.

I had something like that in mind when i drew the nicktoon style turtles.

gobo 05-21-2010 03:37 PM

I think it wasn't that long ago that I named the ep for someone else, but which ep was it that had the moustachioed 'Krangezoid' brain? I'm almost certain it was a season 3 ep.

hudemx 05-21-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 775748)
I think it wasn't that long ago that I named the ep for someone else, but which ep was it that had the moustachioed 'Krangezoid' brain? I'm almost certain it was a season 3 ep.

It's from the episode "Four Musketurtles".

gobo 05-21-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hudemx (Post 775752)
It's from the episode "Four Musketurtles".

Thanks, hude (pun on the word, "dude")! Watching the ep again, I have to say: I thought there was a bit more backstory to that flashback. All that was said was that it was their first tests with dimensional travel that they decided to send Dimension X's rarest element to Earth. Of all the genius plotlines... -_-

Mutated Turtle 05-21-2010 04:18 PM

So, Krang had a body,but then he was nothing more than a disembodied brain?

Candy Kappa 05-21-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pipsqueak (Post 775763)
So, Krang had a body,but then he was nothing more than a disembodied brain?

now ye got it

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-22-2010 08:30 AM

I agree
 
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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 775757)
Thanks, hude (pun on the word, "dude")! Watching the ep again, I have to say: I thought there was a bit more backstory to that flashback. All that was said was that it was their first tests with dimensional travel that they decided to send Dimension X's rarest element to Earth. Of all the genius plotlines... -_-

I agree. Maybe it's just Shredder imaging when Krang tells the story (and maybe Shredder didn't think of that Krang once had a body.

TMNT_2010 05-23-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hudemx (Post 775714)
Even though I'm not an expert on this Part of the OT I had my own Version of the Story back the Days:

The Body Krang lost, when he was banished from Dimension X, was a Androidbody. He always was just the "brain" he is - Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?
Then there was that scene which showed others like Krang walking around in Bubblewalker in a Flashback (Krang with a mustache was prizeless), which would also support this theory.
The Lizards that the Krang-Clones became could also have been a pre-evolutional Form of Krangs own Race, they evoluted backwards.

sry if I made some mistakes in the short Text, remember english isn't the language I grew up with...

This is exactly how I always though of it as well. So when Krang wanted Shredder to build him a body in the first season, he wanted a robotic body just like he used to have.

Candy Kappa 05-24-2010 05:17 AM

that does not make sense when he in his new body have stated me misses his real body.
don't remember the episode.. somewhere between season 1-4....

hudemx 05-24-2010 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa (Post 776193)
that does not make sense when he in his new body have stated me misses his real body.
don't remember the episode.. somewhere between season 1-4....

Well he could also have ment his real robotic body. He never says that he had a biological Body.

Coola Yagami 05-24-2010 09:20 AM

Probably meant his real biological body. After all, all Shredder gave him as a robot to control. Not the same have a real body than just sitting in a cockpit controlling a fake robot version of your real body.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-24-2010 09:41 AM

Archie Krang
 
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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 776217)
Probably meant his real biological body. After all, all Shredder gave him as a robot to control. Not the same have a real body than just sitting in a cockpit controlling a fake robot version of your real body.

And Archie Krang even took Shredders body in one issue.

Mutagen 05-25-2010 02:38 AM

Aside from the voice, as we can see by Krang's clones his "face" doesnt change at all. Its basically what we see just attached to the body, thats why he was easily recognized

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...krangsbody.png

Besides, I think Krang is being called brain because he resembles one, not because he is one. He has a mouth after all. I think he is a disembodied head that just resembles a brain rather than being one

hudemx 05-25-2010 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutagen (Post 776344)
Aside from the voice, as we can see by Krang's clones his "face" doesnt change at all. Its basically what we see just attached to the body, thats why he was easily recognized

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...krangsbody.png

Besides, I think Krang is being called brain because he resembles one, not because he is one. He has a mouth after all. I think he is a disembodied head that just resembles a brain rather than being one

But look at the Face of that clone: Where are the tentacles he uses as arms?

As I said, I think the clone "evoluted" backwards, thats why they Faces did change a bit and the "tentacles" Krang uses as Hands "devoluted" into real arms.

gobo 05-25-2010 04:18 AM

"Evolved", sir... The word you're looking for is "evolved".

hudemx 05-25-2010 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gobo (Post 776348)
"Evolved", sir... The word you're looking for is "evolved".

again - sry english isn't the language I grew up with ;)

But thanks for the correction gobo ^^

Mutagen 05-25-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hudemx (Post 776347)
But look at the Face of that clone: Where are the tentacles he uses as arms?

As I said, I think the clone "evoluted" backwards, thats why they Faces did change a bit and the "tentacles" Krang uses as Hands "devoluted" into real arms.


Well, for apparent reasons the head wont have the tentacles because its attached to a full body. I think of Krang's tentacles as roots that attached the head to the rest of the body. Note that Krang had to have been ripped off his body, not cut away because of its uneven shape, and tentacles are the result of that.

Coola Yagami 05-25-2010 10:53 PM

Krang was probably blasted by some sort of de-evolve ray and turned into what he is, thinking it would stop him from causing further harm.

Blade Raider 05-25-2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa (Post 775711)
looked around at Laird's blog, I saw it there. But without luck I found it on a different site

http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krangbody.jpg

http://www.he-man.org/collecting/toy...905&image=6159
It's only a matter a time before someone makes this.


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