Lets Talk Next Mutation.
 

What was so bad?

Yeah the voice acting wasn't to good, neither was the puppets. But... the show now that I just had a re watch of them were frankly not all to bad.

How about some opinions up for this show? I frankly don't mind it at all.

Venus comes off as a..... Mary sue. But I was very much entertained by this show.

I haven't finished the show yet but it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be based on opinions on the net.

I thought Venus was going to be a lot more irritating.

The voice acting was horrible. The turtles acted more silly then the OT turtles in Turtles Forever, and was down right dumb. most villains had potential but ended as a big "Meh"

2 clip-show episodes in the same freakin' season, way to go!

A shinobi is NOT a Chinese Shaman, it's just another word for NINJA.
Venus was okay, but still badly handled, didn't mind the turtles being blood related, it don't change the fact that the turtles are brother and splinter is their father.
And Shell boobs... she looks like a bad fan-made gender bender turtle, she only missed hair and she'd fit dA right away.

The suits was cheap looking, the dead soulless faces and their eyes... ugh!
And the character style was not a good one, Splinter looked like the stole some school mascot.
Action okay, the suits where more mobile, but still looked home made.

The Foot was pathetic characterized and Shredder looked okay, but had more of a Power Ranger villain look then The Shredder.

That sock puppet minion to Dragon Lord was terrible, the rank was a okay but not memorable adversaries.

The annoying, horrible overused slap stick sounds, made me almost falcon punch my computer watching the show.

I enjoyed the voice acting actually. It was interesting, and yes some of it was really bad.

and then there was the stupid animal roar from the car.

and the power rangers cross over, which just happened once and they never talked about it again, weird... shouldn't the turtles help the ranger in the end of the season since they where canonized into the power rangers verse, or where they just lazy eating pizza and watching Venus doing Yoga.

Dear god, this reminds me of the one thing I really disliked about this show. The darn turtle just freakin laid hit on upon hit on on Venus. It was awkward.

"You can dip in my chi pool any time"

Except they were not well thought out hit ons.

"Your a full fledge mutant hotty."
"You know I... Work out every day!"

Oh... you writers.

Yeah... wtf?

I consider The Next Mutation to be a concept that had potential but then was horribly executed. But in a weird way, I kinda like bad things like that because they get my creative mind racing. I mean, if a show/movie/book/whatever is really good, I like playing with the ideas. But if it's really bad, I just get into this endless loop of "Well, I would have done it this way..." I actually did try to rewrite TNM several years ago.

But, yeah, despite all my eye-rolling, I did enjoy it for what it was. For the demographic it was meant for, as a silly, non-serious, action series, it had its moments.

Well who am I to judge, I've only seen one episode plus the Power Rangers crossover and remember tiny glimpses from my childhood. I use to think Next Mutation was a movie when I was little. But what I do know is that its just terrible, but outta curiosity I might watch the one and only season just because I'm a TMNT fan.

And was it true that there was going to be an animated 2nd season with April and Casey that got canceled?

in overall it's worth a watch for the sheer cheesiness.

it's not as bad as Star Wars Holiday Special

The cheesiness makes Next Mutation watchable. I will admit to laughing at some of its sheer pathetic cheesiness. Which is why I like this show. It made not have been as purposely made to be cheesy but it just makes the show.

I sat through it today, and I quite enjoyed it. I will say, I find this show better then 2k3. 2k3 was cheesy in a bad way.

But oh well, it was just my taste. But there is no doubt it was still not that good.

The sound-effects.

I've never seen a show whose watchability would be so dramatically increased just by removing most of the sound-effects. Whizz, boink!

Awe, but the noises were just to adorable. They made my day, especially when bizarre noises came out of something that would make no noise lol.

So did I, since I have that 'East Meets West' or whatever VHS tape that edited the first...3-5 episodes or so together.

I liked it okay as a kid, and it's interesting for me to watch clips of episodes with the hunter guy now as he's a well-known anime voice actor, but overall...yeah...

Sadly, I'd probably buy it if it came out legit over here though, for completionist sake.

Believe me bro the nex mutation toys are some of THE best tmnt toys out there, howeVER........ ...

i watched couple clips on youtube.

I couldnt BELIEVE how bad the show is,the stupid voice and fightin themes,the turtles act like buncha 4 yrs old w customs on(well, maybe giant sized 4 yrs old but still).

I'd rather not, but since you brought it up...
The sound effects, same reason I could never make it through an ep of Power Rangers... not that I ever intentionally tried to. I was just too nice a guy to tell people to stop watching that ritalin-infused irritation in my presence.
Oh, come on. You know chicks dig that kinda relentless attention. Even Johnny Bravo knows that.

Great on Bill Nye, not great on Ninja Turtles.

TNM is a flawed show but its not as terrible as the fandom makes it out to be, its actually pretty decent. I think it gets so much hate because most of the original turtle fans were already too old by the time this show aired, I was the perfect age, had I actually caught it on tv when it aired I would have loved it. I have an extensive review if you click the picture in my sig if you're interested in a more extended opinion.

hehe, people in the drome must think I'm a TNM fanboy since I'm usually defending it but not, its just that while its a flawed show its fairly decent and it does not deserve all the hate it gets so I always defend it even if it is not a great show.

No way did the turtles act as silly as the OT in Turtles Forever, heck they don't act as silly as they do in TMNT 3.

Most villains did have potential to be awesome but they weren't "meh". Most got at least one episode were they were written very well. In fact I think the rouges gallery created for TNM are awesome and would love to see them in a different incarnation.


Normally I'd agree, I hate clip shows but to their credit at least they had a theme, one about Raph/Leo's rivalry and the second all about venus which in turn feels like a tribute to her. So yeah I definitely found them more watchable than the average clip show.


Well her magic powers were rarely if at all used after the pilot. I didn't like her having magic powers either so its good they didn't use them much.
The turtles not being related makes more sense to me, but its not like it really matters, they did not pursue a romance besides the pilot were the turtles lusted after her. Turtle boobs made sense, how else would you easily tell she's female? its not like they were huger or anything.

Ironically Venus is the most interesting turtle and ironically she really wasn't shoved down our throats or got too much focus. So its odd that so much hate towards TNM is all shoved at her.

I liked the suits, didn't see them as cheap. Then again I wasn't expecting hensons suits. I also liked that they actually could do some cool stunts with the suits. I liked Splinters suit but he always looked out of scale, maybe its because the movies used a smaller splinter. He's technically not out of scale since he's about the same size as other TMNT incarnations but he always looked big to me for some reason.

Shredder and the foot didn't do anything really until the return of Shredder episode, which was awesome. He would have made a great villain in a second season.

Dragonlord and the Rank were awesome but sadly they got a lot of goofy episodes that took off the credibility they had in the good ones.


Yes, THIS.
Take off the slapstick sound effects and TNM is easily MUCH better. Weird how much a sound effect can change the mood.

The PRs crossover is not technically TNM but a PRs episode. But if you count it, its easily the worst TNM episode, the turtles act even sillier and are way off character. However it does have some of the best fight scenes the entire series had and joined my two childhood shows so it has a soft spot in my heart for that.

As for the second question, Well theres dozens of PRs and other powered heroes and yet they never help each other out besides anniversary team ups ;)


Taking clips from the show will definitely make it look to be much worse than it really is. Not a fair way to judge the show.

sometimes I wonder if we've seen the same show:P

Maybe I watched TNM from another parallel earth were the show was decent instead of the one for this earth ;)

but yeah ugh, you don't want to get me started on the OT turtles portrayal in Turtles Forever, I'm still raging over it.

Mikey did sing with a tennis racket about his love for Venus...

Shuriken, I actually quite like the rogues gallery as well. I even like aspects of the Turtles' portrayals.

The problem is that while I like these aspects in concept (Dragon Lord is a cool idea, Don being an *sshole is a cool idea, Splinter having a blind friend is a goddamn awesome idea), the execution is horrible. The show is filled with decent concepts marred by horrible execution, which owes itself to everything from low budgets to censorship to terrible sound-effects.

Venus
 

I think people don't like Venus. I don't care for that, but I don't like Venus using magic.

The fact she knew just about everything, was pretty darn intelligent, could beat up anyone who was in her way when she wanted, no matter how powerful her enemy was. She was just a mary sue and now should just stay winthin Deviantart fangirls artwork for now.

I did slightly like her, she could of been done better, but if the other turtles don't have super powers (thank god) then she shouldn't.

Shredder
 

Maybe Shredder should appear more (but not every episode).

Sadly, I imported the British releases for completionist sake lol.

Remember...
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and: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=29809

I'd do that too if it weren't for the different region codes.:tlol:

aside from all the stupid noises and voices..
the show wasnt too bad i kinda liked it.
the hummer was a cool concept though.
if i made a ninja turtle series id have a hummer.
but the show made me fell stupid.:trolleye:

Really like the acton figures though.

i vaguely remember much about this show, but what i do remember, it was so cheesey it was bad! but i'd like to hunt it down on dvd and watch it, and see if i still feel the same

When is the show set?
 

Another interesting issue with Next Mutation is if it's set after the 1987 cartoon or after the films?

it's supposed to be a continuation of the films, but something clearly went a whole different direction

that's an understatemene! lol!

What a coincidence... I just got an email from Amazon France today. Fans can now buy the second half of the uncut series in French only. The first half has been available for years.

I might be interested in getting this and splicing it together with audio from the UK butchered versions someday. Still, that'd leave sizable, annoying gaps in the audio... unless someone would be kind enough to find me some American tv recordings to pull that audio from.

So like... what makes Saban or whoever think the European demand for this show is so much greater than the American.