So um... Old Hob, huh?
 

Anyone feel kinda weird the first issue of this new continuity will start off with a mutant cat instead of the Shredder or the very least the Foot?

Not really, personally.

I'm feeling pretty good about it.

Not at all. I think it's going to be awesome.

Hmm I dunno, I'm hoping we at least see some clues about the Foot or whatever in the issue...

We may get some, only time will tell. I just like the whole idea of "Old Hob," especially since Eastman is involved - I think we're in for a real hellish mutant cat.

I like it, because it's slow build towards the BIG enemy.

I mean honestly, if Eastman and Laird would have known the property was going to last as long as it has, they may have even waited to introduce Shredder and the Foot.

Drop hints about them in the storyline, build dramatic tension.

If done right, it could be fantastic!

Nope, not at all.
We've seen the start with the Shredder and the Foot already.

We have?

Damn it all, ten characters.

In a new comic book continuity that recognizes that Shredder is the whole point to their upbringing and training... yes, it makes sense that they wouldn't mow through him again in another first issue.

No, CyberCubed. No. Bad troll. No billy goats for you tonight.

By bringing in new characters and storyline, they're hoping to appeal to the new generation of fans. As long as they keep true to the spirit of the original comics, I personally don't mind.

Well... no matter what, with a fresh start (whether it'd be a reboot or a continuation of an exisitng universe) at a new publisher the expectation would already be new characters and new storylines. I mean, what was the first thing Image/Vol. 3 did? It introduced Warlord Komodo, Cyborg Mercs, and Pimiko and threw us knee-deep into a new storyline... and that was a continuation of Vol. 1 and 2.

The only thing that gives me pause there is the comments in the Tom Waltz statement where he says collectively of the Mirages, cartoons, and movies, that the IDW comic would be "true to the spirit" of all of those -- the problem with this statement is 1) The "spirit" of those is radically different from universe to universe (night and day in some cases) and making a jumbalaya of different ones makes me very nervous, 2) If you try to please everyone... you know how the rest of that goes.

Its honestly going to be wierd for me rebooting characters that have never been rebooted before, Vol. 5 will be interesting to say the least.

It's no more Vol. 5 than Archie would be Vol. 2.

So you are saying:

Mirage vol. 1-3

Image Vol.1

Archie Vol.1

Idw Vol.1

Why would I say that, and why would Image be on that list? IDW isn't a continuation of Vol. 1-4.

And, Vol 4 was a continuation of Vol 3? O_o

The reason I say if you go by publisher each has its own volume 1. If you look at Moon Knight series each one has its own volume even though there has been soft reboots and straight up reboots granted these of course were done by the same publisher. I would (personally) call it Vol.5 since its suppose to keep the tone of the mirage/image series.

If you want to split hairs about it...

Vol. 2 takes place in the same universe of Vol. 1 and continues the story of Vol. 1.
Vol. 3 takes place in the same universe of Vol. 1 and 2 and continues the story of Vol. 1 and 2.
Vol. 4 (if you ask Laird) takes place in the same unvierse of Vol. 1 and 2 and continues the story of Vol. 1 and 2.

What do all of the above have in common? They are all in the same universe of Vol. 1 and 2. You can't say that of IDW's universe.

(unless the IDW book turns out to be kind of a "stealth" continuation of the Mirage material... which would be pretty cool if you ask me)

I guess technically we should be saying IDW vol 6 of TMNT...

vol 1 mirage
vol 2 archie
vol 3 mirage
vol 4 image
vol 5 mirage
vol 6 idw

On topic:

I don't mind Old Hob, at least so VERY LITTLE we know about him at this juncture. Seriously, all we know is that he's a mutant cat and he's a villain. Why all the complaining? I know this is the internet and all, but c'mon.

I love the Mirage TMNT and the Fred Wolf/Archie TMNT on almost equal terms, so I have no qualms with the Turtles encountering lots and lots of bizarre mutant animals in their adventures, so long as those characters and situations are written well.

And I have no problem with Waltz using Mirage as a foundation while drawing ideas and inspiration from other incarnations of the TMNT. I don't think any concepts should be "off limits" to writers and they should be allowed to pick and choose what portions of the vast TMNT mythos they wish to draw inspiration from.

In fact, the idea that ideas OUTSIDE of Mirage will make appearances in this comic actually has me even MORE excited for it.

Do we know that the cat is a villian or just a villian? if that makes since maybe the cat will get un-mutated and become clunk

No we shouldn't be saying that at all. The volume numbering only applied to the books being worked on by Mirage, and yes I count Image in that as well. Archie started out as a book based off the animated series, has nothing what so ever to do with Mirage. IDW is a complete reboot, has nothing to do with Mirage. The volume numbering doesn't apply.

If you for some reason have to number it though IDW would be volume 7. You forgot to add the DW books to that list. It would be 9 if you added the Tales volumes as well.

As for this cat guy I didn't read the article in depth but did they state he'd be the villain in the very first book? He wouldn't be the first time the turtles fought a mutant cat, they did so in a Tales book even. Not against it at all really. I just want to see where this series goes and I hope the artwork is good.

I'm interested in seeing how the tale of Old Hob goes. :D

The turtles also fight demonic Schrödinger's cats in the Spanish TMNT collection's v1 #8 stand-in. :tlol:

Sounds good to me. Glad to see that things are getting mixed up!

I am curious as to how Ryan Brown feels about this. It's like they used his idea and made a new character out of it.

I also don't think Old Hob will be a one shot, he seems like the type of character you'd expect to be recurring, especially with his backstory.

Most new characters created by new writers tend to stick around. We will be seeing a lot of Old Hob, I am sure.

I would be surprised if ever, at any point in any creative roundtable discussions about Old Hob the action figure of "Scratch" was ever brought up or mentioned beyond peripherally (if that).

Yeah, a mutant cat really is soo original, no one could ever make one up except him :/

It's just such an injustice. Scratch has such a rich backstory: he was a toy the manufacturers didn't bother to produce many of. That's Shakespearean tragedy, that is.

Man Cybercubed, you've sure worked everyone up. Can't you guys just relax and ignore him if you disagree with his perspective to such an extent?

That being said, the urban dictionary post is pretty funny

Cubed...we don't have a back story for Hob yet...

i think one thing that we need to do is get the old tmnt out our heads a little bit and just be open minded and be ready for a new TMNT.

Old Hob's already getting under everyone's skin... I love it! It's what bad guys do.

:tgrin:

Thanks for being so passionate about TMNT, everyone -- we're gonna have fun, I promise!

Tom Waltz

Woohoo! :tthumbsu:

Glad to have you aboard, Tom!

If you get a chance... What is your favorite aspect of the tmnt mythos?

Indeed, welcome Tom.

I can't believe you guys would steal from Ryan Brown like that. Have you no shame? :D

Welcome aboard the forums, Tom! It's exciting to see the new TMNT comic taking shape.

A word of advice...

Most TMNT fans really appreciate when the creative team interacts with the fanbase, but don't lose too much sleep if a few people get agitated over seemingly inconsequential details.:twink:

No worries, oldmanwinters -- I've worked on Silent Hill and Ghostbusters... I know how passionate fans can get on the forums. I'm all for mature, civil debate -- it's part of the fun, far as I'm concerned. All I ask from my fellow TMNT fans is this: if you're gonna get nasty on the boards, at least have the cojones to use your real name and not some anonymous tag. If you can't back up your words with your true self, then those words aren't worth much in my opinion. I'm an old Marine and can take a lot of punishment, but cowardly cyber bullies, whether you are 14 or 41, are gonna be ignored.

That said, I really do enjoy reading what everyone is saying and I understand the apprehension about a new TMNT series. Just know that we truly WANT this to be a great new addition to this beloved franchise and we are sweating over every word we write and every line we draw. We're fans, too -- Kevin, Dan, and myself (and everyone at IDW and Nickelodeon) -- and we are working hard to create something we'd want to collect ourselves, even if we weren't directly involved with the series.

So let's rock, folks! It's gonna be crazy fun!

Tom Waltz