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Knuckles 04-20-2003 08:40 PM

TMNT Counterparts
 
I got to thinking one time, and I started to come up with a list of TMNT counterparts--as in, other teams (such as superhero teams) the TMNT has parallels with. Here's some of my thoughts:

Heroes:

JLA Counterparts:
-Leonardo/Splinter = Superman (all three are leaders)
-Raphael/Casey Jones = Batman (Raph and Batman are the rogues who do things their own way, and Batman and Casey are both vigilantes in their own right)
-Donatello = Martian Manhunter (both have intelligence and advanced mental abilites)
-Michelangelo = The Flash (both are light-hearted and comical)
-April = Wonder Woman (both are strong-willed females)

X-Men Counterparts:
-Leonardo = Cyclops (leader)
-Raphael/Casey Jones = Wolverine (toughguy fighter)
-Donatello = Beast (smart guy)
-Michelangelo = Gambit (fun-loving)
-Splinter = Prof. X (wise old leader)
-April = Storm (strong female)

Star Wars Counterparts:
-Leonardo = Luke Skywalker ("main character" leader-type)
-Raphael/Casey Jones = Han Solo (anti-hero with the heart of gold)
-Donatello = C-3PO/R2-D2 (intelligence, gadgets, less combat-focused, key to victory a lot of times)
-Michelangelo = Chewbacca (maybe not the smartest, but funny and fun-loving, also loyal)
-Splinter = Yoda/Obi-Wan Kenobi [old] (the wise old teacher)
-April = Princess Leia Organa (strong female)

Batman Counterparts:
-Leonardo = Batman (leader, guy who knows what to do)
-Raphael/Casey Jones = Nightwing (skilled guy who does his own thing)
-Donatello = Robin [Tim Drake] (loyal to leader, good with computers)
-Michelangelo = Robin [mix of all three] (no good counterpart, but shares some qualities with all three Robins)
-Splinter = Alfred (wise old caring one)
-April = Batgirl/Oracle (strong, knows her way around a computer)

King Arthur Counterparts:
-Leonardo = King Arthur (leader, "chosen one"-type)
-Raphael/Casey Jones = Sir Lancelot (skilled fighter who's the best at what they do)
-Donatello = Sir Bedivere/Sir Galahad (peaceful, smart type)
-Michelangelo = Sir Gwain/Sir Percival (warm-hearted, almost childish at times)
-Splinter = Merlin (wise old teacher)
-April = Guinevere (prominant female)

Villains:

JLA or DCU:
-Shredder = Lex Luthor (main enemy, businessman facade)
-Krang = Brainiac/Darkseid (brains, "real" main enemy)

X-Men:
-Shredder = Magneto (main enemy)
-Krang = Apocalypse ("real" main enemy)

Star Wars:
-Shredder = Darth Vader (main enemy, makes offer to main hero to join him)
-Krang = Emperor Palpatine ("real" main enemy)

Batman:
-Shredder = The Joker (main enemy, has an endless struggle with hero)
-Krang = Bane/Ra's Al Ghul (intelligent, controls others)

King Arthur:
-Shredder = Mordred (main enemy)
-Krang = Morgan Le Fay (controls "main" enemy)

Anyway, those are just some parallels I drew--anybody else have thoughts on these/matches of their own with other teams?

Duke 04-20-2003 08:45 PM

Krang is like bane?

Knuckles 04-20-2003 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke
Krang is like bane?

Well, in the sense that Bane was the major Batman bad guy for a period of time, and controlled (or used to his advantage) other Gotham villains. He was also intelligent.

Nickokapo 04-20-2003 09:06 PM

Bikermice from mars :P
Throttle = Leo
Vinnie = Mikey
Modo = Raph
Charlie = Donnie ( don't freak out now, i know donnie is no female, rabid fans out there :roll: but they're both mr./ms.fix-it-all so, yeah.. :p plus you can compare don's The dark turtle with charlie's Masked Motorcyclist, i'd compare her with april but it doesnt relate to them as much as i felt like donnie. )
Limburger = Shredder
Dr.Karbunkle = Krang
Greasepit = Bebop or Rocksteady

ChibiKasai 04-20-2003 09:15 PM

I'd say April's more like Jean than Storm.

PanMan 04-20-2003 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiKasai
I'd say April's more like Jean than Storm.

i agree :)

Knuckles 04-20-2003 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChibiKasai
I'd say April's more like Jean than Storm.

Yeah, I'm not a super-X-Men fan or anything, so I picked the first notable female member that sprang to mind.

Brodie 04-20-2003 10:33 PM

I wouldn't compaire Gambit to Mikey, because, well, Gambit is more of a Rogue hero than a fun loving idiot. Sure, he loves fun, but he's more skilled than he leads on. I'd compaire him to Casey actually, instead of Raph and Casey being Wolverine.

Love the Nightwing and Casey/Raph comparison.

EVIL DEAD:
Casey-- Ash

YOUNG JUSTICE:
(There are Repeats)
Leo-- Robin (Surprisingly, both leaders.)
Casey-- Super Boy (Both Badasses who do it their way.)
Donny-- Robin (Both very smart.)
Raph-- Super Boy (Ready to kick some ass.)
Mikey-- (As much as this pains me) Impulse (Both are quick to action before thinking of consequences. Impulse is my favorite, and I hate Mikey, but they are kinda the same.)

VIEW ASKEWVERSE:

Leo-- Dante (Always worrying about the effect of actions and so on.)
Raph-- Randal (Always, ALWAYS quick with the quips and ready to piss off people who rub them the wrong way.)
Donny-- Silent Bob (Silent Bob, as Jay tells it, is an Electical Genius, As is Donny. Silent Bob has his time to shine for 2 minutes per movie and shares his brilliance, Donny is always brilliant.)
Mikey-- Jay (This is obvious, both are complete idiots. One's a Junkie, the other, well, you'd think he was.)
Casey-- Brodie (Smartass, and ready to fight, sudden changes happen to piss them off. And-- both have short fuses.)

RESIDENT EVIL SERIES:

Leo-- Chris Redfield (Strong leaders.)
Raph-- Billy Cohen (Dependable, and quick to kick ass.)
Casey-- Leon S. Kennedy (Reliable, Shoot first, ask questions later.)
Donny-- William Birkin (Ok, Birkin becomes a Tyrant, and EVIL, but both are brilliant.)
Mikey-- Carlos Oliviera (Think they're smooth, but good under pressure.)
Shredder-- Albert Wesker (EVIL! But cool as hell.)

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-21-2003 02:07 AM

Gundam Wing

Leonardo = Trowa/Heero (Focused and Dissiplined)
Raphael = WuFei (Hothead)
Michelangelo = Duo (Fun Loving one)
Donatello = Quatre (Wise Gentile one)
Casey = Zero System Quatre (Crazy)
April = Cathy/Hilde (Smart and Helpful Women)
Splinter = Master Long/Odin Lowe/Father Maxwell (Mentor)
Shredder = Zechs (Masked rival with same powers as Heroes), or Duke Dermail (Villian)
Krang = Treize (strategist)
Karai = Relena (Strong Female Leader)
Hamato Yoshi = Original Heero Yuy (Martyr)
Foot Clan = OZ (evil organization)
Shredder Elite = Treize Faction/White fang (rebel faction)
Technodrome = Libra (bad-guy supervehicle)
City at War = Eps. from "Birth of queen Relena" to end of series! (Strong female leader gains controll of "evil organization", reforms it, and requires help of the heroes to defeat "rebel faction" and bring about true peace.)

Aqua Teen Hunger force:

Leo/Splinter/Don = Frylock (leader/Smart one)
Raphael = Master Shake(Hothead)
Mike = Meatwad (Dumb but nice one)
Casey = Carl (Hanger on)
Shredder = Dr. Weird (villian, sort of)
Neutrinos = Moonenites (mischivious Aliens)

BTW Kudos to Brodie for the View Askew list!

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-21-2003 02:25 AM

The following list ignores gender!!:

Bubblegum Crisis

Leonardo = Sylia Stingray (Responsible Leader)
Raphael = Priss Asagiri (Hothead)
Michelangelo = Nene Romanova (goofball)
Donatello = Linna Yamazaki (Solid team member)
Casey = Leon McNichol (Tough-guy assistance)
April = Daley Wong (Tough-guy's sensible better-half)
Splinter = Dr. Stingray (Mentor)
Shredder = Quincy (villian)
Hun = Bryan J. Mason (#1 Henchman)
Baxter Stockman = Largo (evil genius)

heretic888 04-21-2003 09:37 AM

hoo boy
 
Except for some of the Raph and Leo parallels, none of those comparisons are really like the turtles. Especially the ones with Mikey.

CookSux 04-21-2003 10:30 AM

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MzTheInsomniac 04-21-2003 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CookSux
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that response explains everything

impetus 04-21-2003 11:12 AM

surprised no one's said this yet. Another hot 80's property:

GHOSTBUSTERS
Egon - Leonardo
Ray - Donatello
Peter - Michelangelo
Winston - Raphael
Janine - April
Louis - Casey Jones :lol: OK, maybe not

Shellfox 04-21-2003 02:20 PM

Beast Wars
Leo- Optimus Primal
Raph- Dinobot
Mike- Cheetor
Don- Rhinox
Casey- Rattrap or depthcharge
April- Air Razor
Ninjara- Black Aracnia
Splinter- Tigertron (as close as I can get)
Shredder- Megatron
Baxter- Tranchiles (man I can't get that name)
Bebop- Waspinator
Rocksteady- Inferno
Hun- Rampage
Krang- Scorpinac

Exiles
Mike- Morph
Leo- Mimic
Don- Magnus
Raph- Thunderbird (?)
Venus- Blink
Ninjara- Nocturn

Blade
Raph- Blade
Don or Splinter- Whistler
Shredder- Frost

Godzilla (no name will be spelled right)
Leo- Godzilla
Raph- Angarus
Don- Rodan
Mike- Mila
Shredder- Mecha Girdra

Brodie 04-21-2003 04:01 PM

No way, Casey is a better choice for Cheetor than Mikey. Mikey is more of a Rattrap kinda dolt.

Voltron 04-21-2003 04:40 PM

Behold the future of the world! The youth of America will not hold wars based on borders and hate towards other people, but to settle disputes like "who is more like Mr. Spock, Leo or Don?"

Krangfan 04-21-2003 07:14 PM

Beast Wars (in terms of the original cartoon)

Leo: Optimus Primal (the typical leader)
Don: Rhinox (the smart guy)
Raph: Rattrap (good with the wise cracks)
Mikey: Cheetor (the kid of the group)
April: Blackarachnia or Airazor (the female :P )
Krang: Megatron (main bad guy)
Shredder: Scorponok (second-in-command)
Bebop: Inferno (mainly in season 3 when he was more comical)
Rocksteady: Waspinator (comical idiot)
Baxter Stockman: Tarantulas (evil genius)

Maniax_God 04-21-2003 07:21 PM

This will only be funny to the people who have seen Hunger Force....

TMNT / ATHF (aqua team hunger force)

Leonardo / Master Shake
Donatello / Frylock
Mikey / Meatwad
Raphael / Carl

Brodie 04-21-2003 07:31 PM

Yeah, Raph as Carl.

Carl: Get out of my pool.
Meatwad: Why?
Carl: Because you, are weird.

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-21-2003 09:35 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: That Aqua Teen Hunger Force Comparison was better than mine. :lol: :lol:

Ghost of X-mas Past: You must give of yourself to the big red ape.
Carl: Ok, How much?
Ghost of X-mas Past: Sexually!

Anarchistguy 04-21-2003 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by impetus
surprised no one's said this yet. Another hot 80's property:

GHOSTBUSTERS
Egon - Leonardo
Ray - Donatello
Peter - Michelangelo
Winston - Raphael
Janine - April
Louis - Casey Jones :lol: OK, maybe not

Actually I'd choose this order: (REAL Ghostbusters/Old toon TMNT)

Dr. Egon Spengler - Donatello
Dr. Ray Stantz - Leonardo
Dr. Peter Venkman- Raphael
Winston - Michaelangelo (I put in the extra "a" since it's old cartoon Mike)
Janine Melnitz - April O'Neil
And I just don't give a rat's ass about Louis Tully.

Shellfox 04-22-2003 09:44 AM

Beast Machines
Leo- Cheetor
Don- Rattrap
Mike- Nightscream
Raph- Silverbolt
Ninjara- Black Aracnia
Splinter- Optimus Primal
Shredder- Megatron
(old toon) Baxter- Tankorr


TF Armada
Leo- Prime
Raph- Blurr
Don- Red Alert
Mike- Jet Fire (hee hee)
Lotus Blossum- Sideways
Zack- Rad
Shredder- Megs
Krang- Trust
Dregg- Starscream
Casey- Scavenger


Steet Sharks/Extreme Dinos/Dinovengers
Leo- Rippster/T-Bone
Raph- Streeks/Spike
Don- Jab/Steggs
Mike- Slamu/Bullseye
Casey- Mobey Lick/Hardrock
April- Leena/ Chendra
Shredder- Bad Rap
Krang- Doc. Paradime
Splinter- Sharks dad/old dude who lets the dinos live with him
Metalhead- Roboshark

Reznorite420 04-22-2003 10:03 AM

Knuckles, are you reading my mind when it comes to the Star Wars counterparts? Both the heroes and villans parts were EXACTLY what I was thinking, almost to the letter! In fact, I'm going to make a thread comparing SW to TMNT ;)

I think you and I might become best buddies on the board (first the sound clip I intended to send in, now that! :D )

Now for my part:

Star Trek original series:
Leonardo = Captain Kirk
Donatello = Spock
Rapael = Scotty
Michelangelo = Chekov

Star Trek TNG:
Leonardo = Captain Picard
Donatello = Data
Raphael = Commander Riker
Michelangelo = Wesley Crusher

Ghostbusters:
Leonardo = Ray Stanz
Donatello = Egon Spengler
Raphael = Peter Venkman
Michelangelo = Winston Zeddmore

EDIT: Sorry Anarchistguy, I didn't see that post :goofygri:

impetus 04-22-2003 11:54 AM

Egon is the brainy smart guy(Donatello), but he is also the smart leader - more like Leonardo.

Ray doesn't seem Leonardish at all - to me, anyway. He's another crazy brainiac but silly guy - more like Don. Anyway, that's what I think. :)

Mike as Winston???
Mike = wisecracker = Peter.
Winston = "dont mess with me" = Raph.

Tinselcat 04-22-2003 12:09 PM

X-Files:
Raph is definitely Krycek
Donatello is the male version of Scully
Leo is AD Skinner
Mikey is Mulder (for the humor, not the angstiness)

OR

Cowboy Bebop:
Raph: Faye (yes, Faye. I said Spike first, but then I thought about it.)
post-apocalyptic Leo: Spike (but less trigger-happy)
Don in 20 years: Jet
Mike with a head injury: Ed (hee hee hee...)

Knuckles 04-22-2003 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reznorite420
Knuckles, are you reading my mind when it comes to the Star Wars counterparts? Both the heroes and villans parts were EXACTLY what I was thinking, almost to the letter! In fact, I'm going to make a thread comparing SW to TMNT ;)

I think you and I might become best buddies on the board (first the sound clip I intended to send in, now that! :D )

Right on. :tcool: :tthumbsu:

Brodie 04-22-2003 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinselcat
X-Files:
Raph is definitely Krycek
Donatello is the male version of Scully
Leo is AD Skinner
Mikey is Mulder (for the humor, not the angstiness)

OR

Cowboy Bebop:
Raph: Faye (yes, Faye. I said Spike first, but then I thought about it.)
post-apocalyptic Leo: Spike (but less trigger-happy)
Don in 20 years: Jet
Mike with a head injury: Ed (hee hee hee...)

What about those three guys? The computer geek ones? The Lone Gunmen, or rangers or what ever?

And Shellfox, you watch the worst cartoons, lol. Street SHarks, though I have some of the toys, was horribly animated. Beast Wars was way better than Beast Machines.

And how is Casey Scavenger?!

Shellfox 04-22-2003 01:34 PM

Sonic the hedgehog
Leo- Sonic
Raph- Knuckles
Don- Rotor or Manic
Mike- Tails
Venus- Sonia or Bunnie
Ninjara- Jul-Su
Casey- Mighty
April- Sal
Lotus Blossum- Mina or Amy
Splinter- Atheir
Zack- Antion
Mona Lisa- Hershey
Metalhead- Uncle Chuck
Leatherhead- Vector
Shredder- Robotnis
Krang- Nagus
Bebop and Rocksteedy- Sleet and Dingo or Scratch and Grounder (no order)
Baxter- Snivly
Kala- Cream
Razar- Lion Dude from the comic
Bonesteel- Nack
Dragon lord & Dragons- Dark Leagion
Exeen- Bunnie

heretic888 04-22-2003 01:37 PM

eh???
 
These 'counterparts' you people are drawing are truly baffling.....

Knuckles 04-22-2003 01:57 PM

I thought of some more:

Monty Python:
Leonardo = Graham Chapman
Raphael = John Cleese
Donatello = Terry Jones
Michelangelo = Eric Idle
April = Carol Cleveland
Casey Jones = Michael Palin/Terry Gilliam

The Beatles:
Leonardo = John Lennon
Raphael = Paul McCartney
Donatello = George Harrison
Michelangelo = Ringo Starr

Powerpuff Girls:
Leonardo = Blossom
Raphael/Casey Jones = Buttercup
Donatello/Splinter = Prof. Utonium
Michelangelo = Bubbles
April = Ms. Bellum
Shredder = Mojo Jojo
Krang = Him

Brodie 04-22-2003 05:40 PM

That's right, Buttercup.

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-22-2003 09:35 PM

Re: eh???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heretic888
These 'counterparts' you people are drawing are truly baffling.....

Well, Let's see yours then! :)

heretic888 04-23-2003 08:32 AM

I wouldn't draw any counterparts because they dont have any counterparts (the Mirage ones at least). The TMNT are completely unique and not stereotypical archetypes as found in the (old) cartoon.

I mean, c'mon... Mike to Bubbles?? When was the last time Bubbles played a guitar or wrote a poem?? Mike to Peter from GB?? I didn't know Petey could cook. Mike to Tails?? Can Tails take down a platoon of street thugs with his bare hands?? Mike to.. MEATWAD?! Can Meatwad move in and out of places without being seen or heard???

I rest my case.

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-23-2003 08:38 AM

Tails actually could handle street Thugs.
And Meatwad could disguise Himself as an Igloo.

BTW You have got to be the biggest Mike fan on this forum. You know that?

heretic888 04-23-2003 08:43 AM

Possibly.

Tetsu Deinonychus 04-23-2003 08:47 AM

Nothing wrong with that at all. :)

It's just kinda weird that the least lighthearted forum member prefers the most lighthearted turtle. :lol:

heretic888 04-23-2003 08:50 AM

eh??
 
What makes you think I'm the least lighthearted on here??

Knuckles 04-23-2003 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heretic888
I wouldn't draw any counterparts because they dont have any counterparts (the Mirage ones at least). The TMNT are completely unique and not stereotypical archetypes as found in the (old) cartoon.

I mean, c'mon... Mike to Bubbles?? When was the last time Bubbles played a guitar or wrote a poem?? Mike to Peter from GB?? I didn't know Petey could cook. Mike to Tails?? Can Tails take down a platoon of street thugs with his bare hands?? Mike to.. MEATWAD?! Can Meatwad move in and out of places without being seen or heard???

I rest my case.

Actually, while I started this with ALL TMNT incarnations in mind, (meaning, if necessary, you can mix & match versions) the Mirage turtles are total archetypal figures. The idea of TMNT is unique, but their personalities, generally speaking, are not. Leonardo, be it official or unofficial, is the leader figure--Mirage or otherwise. Raphael is the hotheaded toughguy with an attitude--in the old cartoon, he was all attitude, but that's beside the point. Donatello is the brainy one--scientific, intelligent, good with mechanical and electronic things. Michelangelo is the lighthearted, fun-loving, funny, joker character--also artistic. Those are pretty clear archetypes if you ask me. Now, I love the turtles as much as anybody here, and don't mean to impugn their uniqueness, but it's plain as day no matter which version you go by. Besides, these aren't meant to be exact matches, (i.e., Bubbles doesn't need to play a guitar--she played drums, actually--to be like Mikey--she's the most lighthearted, sensitive, and childlike of the PPG, Mikey is the most lighthearted, sensitive, and childlike of the TMNT. If you want to go the artistic route--Mikey writes poems, Bubbles draws pictures) you merely have to find the closest match in any given team/group. It works pretty well most of the time.

Krangfan 04-23-2003 11:34 AM

Actually Knuckles, I consider the original cartoon Raph to be kind of different from the other Raphs. Well, of course they're both all personality, but the original cartoon Raph didn't seem as "agressive" as the others.


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