Next Mutation
 

So ive been wanting to watch Next Mutation for awhile now. I was planning on getting the VHS ones from Amazon. Is it worth it?

Youtube it. If you don't like what you see, don't buy it.

Or stream it via Netflix.

VHS ones? We talking about the "movie" version of East Meets West?
http://www.cheer.se/ninjaturtles/images/dvdvhs/vhs1.jpg
It's not THAT bad. I have a copy I was bought as a gift by my parents when it was new. I've watched it a few times, has things cut from the TV airings added back in.

And hear the horrid replacement music! Crapabunga! :D

It was declared non-canon by the co-creator of the franchise.

That should tell you bucketloads

And so were issues of the Mirage series like "The River".

Regardless, you're misusing the word "canon" again.

I really dont think its that bad so go for it.

The f*ck I am.

"The River" was deemed non canon for business reasons. The Next Mutation was deemed non canon because it was crap.

In all seriousness East Meets West and a handful of choice episodes here and there would be okay with some tweaks. I'd still jetison a certain female turtle though.

Yes, you are. You can't just say, "Peter Laird declared it non-canon" when The Next Mutation is its own thing.

You can say it's not canon with the movie trilogy, that would certainly be appropriate and probably true. But you can't just say it's not part of Ninja Turtles canon, because there's no such thing. Even though there's been some cross-overs here and there, each individual TMNT series is its own canon.

TNM is non-canon? With itself?? That sounds like something I'd say to amuse myself. ^_^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_%28fiction%29

"In fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction, which are not considered canonical. It is used in two slightly different meanings: first, "it refers to the overall set of storylines, premises, settings, and characters offered by the source media text".[1]:28 In this sense, canon is "the original work from which the fan fiction author borrows,"[2] or "the original media on which the fan fictions are based."[3] Secondly, it is used "as a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon"; thus certain incidents or relationships may be described as being canon or not."

looks like hes using it right to me

Next Mutation wasn't fan-fiction, brother. It was produced by Saban, aired on Fox Kids, and had toys made for it by Playmates. It was an officially licensed show, Pete and Kevin made money off it... need I go on?

If we're gonna go by that little blurb, then the Fred Wolf Cartoon, the movies, the Archie series and the 4kids show are all non-canon. They're absolutely not canon with the source material... but they create their own canon. Therefor you can't just say "that's not canon", unless you're saying (or atleast implying) "that's not canon with the _____ series". See?

Way to use wikipedia rather than your brain though.

worst interpretation of an Wiki article, ever.

TNM ain't a fan creation

^This makes me laugh, In all honesty I want to try, key word try to watch TNM

Easier said than done... :nod:

I didnt know people felt so strong about Next Mutation and if its canon or not. Either way i appreciate the insight. And Im going to get it. Thanks guys.

We don't, we just don't like people who spew off without knowing what they're talking about.

Good luck with this series, I even enjoy the rock concert version on some levels for how goofy it was, but personally can't stand TNM. I love camp, but I just felt the series was so poorly written and some of the characters so out of line from any other version of them that it isn't even worth your time you will spend watching it.

I just found it so odd that there is a female turtle Venus?. Now is she a sister or what?

Something like that. She's a fifth turtle who was mutated, but for some reason ended up with some other guy instead of Splinter.

That was actually something else that annoyed me about the series is they really start to try to down play the whole family aspect of the characters and the guys being brothers because the Turtles want to hook up with Venus and I think they figured that would be awkward if she was their "sister".

I like the idea of Splinter being the turtles adoptive father. And i just saw this image of the Next Mutation...

http://i53.tinypic.com/28sm3oh.jpg

Im not a fan of the whole doo rag on Donnie T and Leo.

Out of curiosity, did it bug you that they weren't brothers in the OT? I actually always thought they had been until it was pointed out in recent years that they never referred to each other as such. As far as I'm concerned, figurative family is still family. :)

I know Im gonna get cut for asking but, what is OT?

OT= Original Toon :)

The Next Mutation made clear early on that the turtles were not blood relatives so they could chat up Venus as much as they wanted to.

Whether the boys treated each other and Venus as siblings depended on the episode.

I feel the same way I've got blood relatives that I don't consider family. But at the same time I have people that are no way blood related that I consider true family.

I've never thought of the turtles as actual brothers but more in the spiritual sense. I find it odd people complain so much about this counting none of the turtles ever try to hook up with venus outside of the pilot when there are some comments of "liking" her, but whatever.

I personally loved the look of the TNM turtles, and the show while it has plenty of flaws is far from awful and has more than a few good ideas.

It didn't bother me because it wasn't as obvious and wasn't pointed out in a conversation in the show. :tgrin:

I always assumed they were blood brothers, even if in every version of TMNT they didnt make it clear.

Playmates had them born at random pet shops across America. So, I'm guessing that's why.

watching right now on the Youtube. I have Venus since I found her at a Target new long ago, but didn't know about this show.

Yeah I always thought of them as blood brothers. In next mutation when they said they werent it kind of dissapointed me

^^^

Yes, I remember that. Just that the second episode aside it fluctuated whether the turtles treated each other as adoptive brothers or friends like in the OT.

Thinking back the Next Mutation was a huge waste. Obviously it was never going to work as a serious action show but with better designs and a teensy bit more money spent and more care with the writing it could have been entertaining in the way the live action version of The Tick was.

I think the show should have just been a continuation of the movies. Probably would have been better received if there was no Venus and more TMNT villains.

Why didn't they use Rat King or Leatherhead? Its like all their villains were just made up and could have been from any other TV series.

True. Not sure why the OT had them as "friends" and why it took years to notice. I think the movie was what made me assume they were brothers, no matter how adoptive.

Was Kevin Eastman involved in creating Venus? (I know Peter Laird would have nothing to do with it due to his well documented hatred of her)