Shredder's influence on Baxter ot
 

in "a thing about rats" ot Baxter is a wimpy helpless geek and in the second season he is much more evil and sinister even before he becomes a fly has Shredder woken up the true darkside in Baxter?

I think he just tired of being kicked around by then. Most of his nastiness is directed at the Shredder.

And who knows how long he was actually locked up with that Napoleon guy, lamenting the fact that a bunch of turtles threatened to get sarcastic with him.

In Return of the Shredder he lets out a really evil laugh to camera.

I always felt bad for Baxter. Kicked around by everyone, then given a chance by Shredder, who still kicked him around, and then finally he was about to be murdered by Shredder, only to be mutated into his fly form. I think the poor guy just snapped. Not really evil, but wanting to do evil because everyone just seemed to have it out for him.

2003
 

I feel even more sorry for him in the 2003 show.

At least he got a happy ending there. I don't get why in his last appearance the turtles don't just let him blast himself with the retro-mutagen. They're just being jerks there.

It's the same as in that batman TAS episode where batman shuts down a machine while it's curing Matt Hagen from being Clayface. I mean, why would anyone in their right mind foil something like that?

Bishop
 

The same with that monster in the 2003 show that was some military general or whatever and was mutated into a monster by Bishop. Why don't they try to cure him?

I don't know much about 2k3 Baxter. I know he becomes a robot or something, but that's it.

Starts normal, then is slowly whittled down to a brain in a jar by Shredder (through Hun). It's actually really tragic. The episode Insane in the Membrane is a fairly good self contained story of the Fall of Baxter Stockman.

Thanks for the info Jester, I'll check out that episode first chance I get. My all around knowledge of the 2k3 series is all very limited :tlol:

Watch the whole series, its very good.

If it ever gets a proper DVD release or something I'll give it a watch, but I'm only really interested in the OT series.

Mirage
 

It's more based on the 1984 Mirage Comics than the 1987 cartoon, but this should be discussed in another thread.

you can see the entire series in youtube or downlaod it and see it from the internet and then see it.

Insane in the Membrane
 

And that episode wasn't brodcasted in the USA.

True...but we got it on DVD.

Kid-friendly
 

What was the problem? Wasn't it considered kid-friendly? Actually, the 2003 show is not as kid-friendly at all.

Change of staff in Fox's Standards and Practices. The previous office said it was ok, then the incoming staff said it was to graphic.

Dislike
 

But what did they dislike?

I don't know specifically. Probably Baxter's finger and jaw coming off.

Son of Return of the Fly
 

I like the "Son of Return of the Fly" where Baxter Stockman tries to kill off the TMNT at that churchtower clock.

You must have not been following us during the 4kids era as every episode except for Back to the Sewers has seen a DVD release, except that Season 3 is more challenging as there hasn't been a compilation release for that season.

But back on the topic, he was definitely the bad guy counterpart to Donatello, with that Neutron Blaster blowing up quickly like some of Don's inventions. Baxter just wasn't badass enough to prove Shredder though that he is his greatest assistant since Rocksteady & Bebop had only messed up three times at that point while Baxter had screwed up eight times (including that Neutron blaster malfunction), and if you do the math, its obvious what Shredder feels has the better chance of capturing the turtles. Its a shame since Baxter was much more afraid of being mutated than R&B were, and felt that once he became a fly he should have TRULY been a major threat since not only did he fail to please Shredder, he forced him to mutate and from that point basically cared about revenge. Baxter didn't realize that Shredder WAS Shredder at first and treated him like a loyal supervisor. Once Baxter learned that Shredder was part of the Foot, he basically gave all what he offered to him, but ultimately was no match for not only his business but also by Krang, feeling that R&B are also more worth to stop the turtles. While OT Baxter at first wasn't TRULY evil since the mouser invention seemed like just a stupid idea to his original supervisor, 2k3/Mirage Baxter really became a theif when April discovered all the money that the Mousers could take. As a result, OT Baxter still remains the most unique incarnation in the TMNT world.

I always wished that Baxter would've remained a regular after becoming a fly. It just made much more sense to have four against four. I just really would've liked for Shredder to have had a larger army. It also would've been kinda cool if Shredder would've had a right hand man who would've been the equivalent of Tatsu/Hun.