Do you think Turtles Forever is canon to the OT?
 

Does the movie take place between season 1 and 2 of the old toon because the 80's turtles are their goofy selves? What do you guys think?

Nope. It's a similar world, but not quite the same.

yes, but their memory was erased, so no one remember anything. and the moral of the story was completely lost

Wait, that's the Pokemon movie...

I wonder what the REAL 1987 Shredder would think of the 2003 Shredder? There's no way in heck they would allow Ch'rell to boss them around. Krang and OT shredder made a fool out of Dregg, they should had put up a fight.

A part of me wants the movie to be canon and the other part is disappointed at how the OT characters were handled.

Agreed. Yet, I did like 87 Shredder saying "why don't you just shoot them" to Ch'rell. (Then, he got pimp-slapped. Hah...) Or, I would have expected the pair to make a subtle attempt by themselves to take the Technodrome back, rather than joining Karai's Zerg Rush, but hey, whatever.

I'll go with gobo, in that it feels like an extra alternative reality to the 87 series. If you go by the silliness and setting, I'd personally put it in Season 3. Season 3 was when the silliness really started and what casual fans usually recall other than Season 1. Which makes sense, since Season 3 was when the series' popularity really took off.

Your last sentence sums up my take (one half of me likes it, while the other half doesn't for that reason). Oh, well.

For me, it's a direct continuation of the original cartoon's universe. Dismissing it as an alternate reality is lazy and shows people would rather demonstrate a lack of imagination than take the time and effort to share ideas on how certain things are as they are. I've come up with a gajillion ways of lining up the dots and relished the creativity in doing so.

What you and Gobo just said makes me feel about 300 times better! I never thought about it that way! Now I can just tell myself that it wasn't "really" the '87 turtles, just another alternate dimension of the '87 Turtles.

Honestly, without a hint of hyperbole, I feel a sense of relief being able to "justify" it this way. lol.

I agree. I always thought Turtles Forever takes place after season 10. And Turtles Forever ended with the upgraded version of the Technodrome. There's no way Shredder and Krang in their right mind would give up all that extra power to have it stuck in the earth's core or Dimension X again. They hated having the Technodrome unable to move.

Yes it's set in the same world it's obvious they didn't do a crossover movie with a "similar but not quite the OT" what the hell kind of marketing is that and yes the characters act totally out of character but just like animation errors in the OT we have to deal with it.

basically liked Turtles forever
 

:twink:I basically liked Turtles forever, but I do think they made the OT turtles goofier than they ever were…… They did something’s quite well though, I think we all like Raphael breaking the 4th wall and driving Hun nuts…. Lol!!!!! Good stuff….:tgrin:
I loved Donatellos flashlight portable portal stick…..but thought they made him seem really ….(I wana say gay, what’s the politically correct way to say this?:trolleye: Lol) when he’s talking to the new Don about using his imagination… That was so not like the OT Donatello! Grrrr…..:tgrumble:
I think the biggest problem I had though was the “wet willies” That was Not from the cartoon!!!!! Seriuosly….
:x

Anyone annoyed that 2003 Ralph kept disrespecting the 80's turtles, telling them they have no brains? I wanted to punch the 2003 Ralph for that remark. Donny in the OT was WAAY smarter than him. For his information, the 80's turtles saved the world from Shredder and Dregg loooong before he was created, so 2003 Ralph needs to put a sock in it.

More like cannon fodder.

I believe it is canon to the OT, but is it canon to Mirage as well?

Remind me which one was Ralph again? :lol: I'm just teasing.

That was the main complaint about the movie, that they way they went out of their way to make the OT look even dumber than it really was. That and the voices are different. I like to think of it as 'canon' but the voices throw me for a loop and it doesn't really fit.

I know!! And the idea of TF being a continuation is a good idea. At the end of "Turtle Trek", after destroying the Technodrome (kinda), they mentioned it still wasn't the last of them, and they'll never win if they do come back. So I can see things continuing even after Dregg's "death".

No way
 

No way. It's just a "What if they met", and should not be taken seriously for any TMNT universe.

i like it. it is exactly wut i had in mind the way as it came out. NT FTW!

Sure it's canon. Why not? It's not like they are going to continue the OT anyway (and if they ever do, it'll likely be more one shot stuff like this).

I think it's best to not worry about canon too much, and just enjoy the stories that you like. Take it from a DC Comics fan, worrying too much about canon will make your brain explode.

I consider it to be canon. I mean, if the darker tone of the Red Sky seasons is considered canon, and that was a big change from the previous seasons, then why can't T.F.'s goofier take on the Fred Wolf Turtles be canon? They went through several different tone changes before, this was just another one.

I consider it canon too; the OT was never very considerate of its own canon anyhow.

Nope. I don't consider it canon to the OT or Mirage. And this is coming from someone who loves crossover stories. PL seems to share my sentiments as well with respect to Mirage.

The reason its not canon for Mirage is "Turtle Prime" is quite possibly only issue #1, rather than the Mirage universe.

In my mind, Turtles Forever doesn't exist.

Here's how I see it. Those weren't the real classic toon TMNT. They were pale immitations that existed in a pocket dimension. Same goes for the Mirage style TMNT we see in Turtle Prime.

Except they were the OT TMNT's, there's no reason to think otherwise.

They where defanitly out of character IMO. They acted much more clownish.

i like to thhink so...

I'm wondering if their goofiness was due to getting cocky after Splinter had told them they could handle anyone or anything. Assuming this DID take place after "Divide and Conquer", one could say Splinter stayed because of this cockiness?

They were hardly clownish. They had some slight out of character moments but otherwise I recognized them good and well.

That's a good question. While it clearly shows lots of premise, with Shredder, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady all escape back to their home dimension, along with the fact about saving April once a day, it definitely can conceivably be canon, which is all that matters. Unfortunately, it was written goofier than even Seasons 4-5, though the problem is the way the Technodrome is presented. It likely would be in the later part of Season 3 since in one Zack episode, the Technodrome moved briefly, and some of the plots showed Shredder & Krang very close to getting the supplies needed to raise the Technodrome back to earth. Who cares if the voices were different as well: Season 3 all had alternate Shredder, Krang, Donatello, Raphael, and Bebop voices at some point, more than any other season. Remember, outside of Season 1, the Red Sky, and to a degree Season 2, there was no real continuity in the OT, so this could have been just another episodic adventure within Season 3. But that's just the way I see about it.

Red Sky isn't canon to the rest of the 80's show

Too serious

"SLIGHT out of character moments?" Apparently, you've never watched the original cartoon.

Yes, I myself belive that the movie is canon with the OT. I really enjoyed it when I saw it.

The ot isn't even canon to itself there for nothing is canon to the ot. Problem solved I win y'all suck hahaha jk.

Here is what I think. I think its cannon to all TMNT universes, but the thing with multiverse is that every choice creates another universe.

When the 80's Turtles met the 2003 Turtles it diverged the 80's Turtles timeline (if you want it to take place in, say season 3). They were still the original Turtles, but it diverged their timeline, so in one version all the events of the OT ocurred, and in another Shredder and Krang have the ultimate Technodrome.

Same applies for the Mirage Turtles. It's like when Doc Brown explain Marty the other 1985 whe Biff changes the past.

If anyone saw Justice League Crisis on Two Earths, they understand what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I did, too. I never did understand where all the visceral hate came from, concerning the way the OT Turtles were presented in Turtles Forever. I mean, I grew up with that cartoon, and aside from some vocal differences - and yeah, they seemed a little sillier in some places - I think they did a fantastic job. Actually I think 2k3 Shredder came off worse than anyone. He was so super-over-the-top evil it was harder to take him seriously than it was the old Shredder.

As far as "canon," is there still "canon" regarding a cartoon that was cancelled 15 years ago? Turtles Forever seemed to contain enough generalities that you could place it anytime during the seasons when the Technodrome was still on Earth.

I just saw very broad and non-subtle writing job. The OT turtles were almost entirely portrayed as silly and thus the 2k3 turtles became the scolding parents the whole time. Neither series was ever that simplistic.

It's real enough to me, takes place at end of both cartoon universes, and did not bash the OT as incompetent sillyheads and the NT as complete killjoys; it showed both teams fight well, work well together, and in the end gain full respect for each other as multiverse counterparts, the Mirage ones as well. As for when something's dismissed as "canon" because of characters acting differently than what the audience is accustomed to and defines as normal (Red Sky, FF, Forever, etc), to me "canon" and "normal" are just made-up words, to me characters acting differently just reveals different sides to them that may not be seen often, even if it means just seeing it once in a lifetime.

Why not
 

Why not? 1987 TMNT wasn't the first show to switch between humor seasons and more seriousness seasons.

The OT Turtles needed to be more Season 1 and less Season 4.