Will the Nick show overshadow IDW's Turtles?
 

As we know, there are two new Turtle universes going on at the same time, IDW's new rebooted TMNT comics and the Nick cartoon.

While IDW had one year of no competition due to starting back in 2011, now the Nick show seems to be taking primary spotlight due to being on TV.

Do you think the Nick show will overshadow IDW's universe?

Different Turtles for different demographics, IDW's book will be fine.

Lol, wut...

You really misused the word competition there. Coexisting TMNT universes do nothing but promote one another.

Well that's not exactly true, while us hardcore TMNT fans will watch both, I wonder if those people following the IDW comics for the last year will check out the cartoon beyond one or two episodes.

According to sales, each issue of IDW TMNT is selling roughly 19,000+ copies a month...I wonder if those 19,000+ people are actually going to watch the show.

Just because every single person isn't into both doesn't mean they're competing for viewers/readers.


Stupid thread.

To a certain extent yes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But the mass media exposure the cartoon is getting -- even if it's very much for 5 year-olds -- with the kind of... light (I'm being charitable here) material it is does sort of set the clock back even further than it already was on, you know, people readily being prepared for any kind of TMNT material in larger media that's made for anyone above the age of like 9. So it hurts things in that way.

I wasn't planning on it (stop the presses, right?). But apparently I'm doing some sort of podcast which will force me to watch it.

for once, i hav to agree with this.

Comics are a dying niche entertainment medium, so it's irrelevant.

do u think they will skip comic and make animation directly in the future?

You should at least watch the 1 hour debut on Sept. 29th, just to get the feel of the show and what its about. :)

Anyway if this show is successful which it should be, it'll probably go on for at least a 7 season run. Since Nick owns TMNT 100%...they would never cancel their own production unless they discover they're not making any money off it...and $60 million purchase + advertising + development costs for the show will take some time to get back.

Er, yeah...because that makes sense. Comics have been going since the 30s. How are you going to justify that bombastic claim?

how they r gonna kno whether it will sell or not if they dont have comics made in advance? animations is way more costly than comics!

I'd alternate between both like I used to, but...

I'll be more drawn to the show since I cannot get the comics here anymore.

Unfortunately sdp is not incorrect... but comics as we know them still have some life left in them yet.

We talking the end of print media and the rise of digitized books/comics?

I don't believe digitized comics will ever catch on in a huge way, ever. Perhaps full-length digitized graphic novels, but not serialized monthly comics as we know them.

EVERYTHING overshadows IDW's universe. That book is, and always will be, a niche book for geeky brand loyalists.

I'm sorry to bring back something I've already talked about in another thread but...
"Batman: The Brave and the Bold."
I think today's audiences are generally savvy enough to understand that some properties can be done in different tones and still be done well, as long as the core is respected and the execution is solid.

wow replace IDW with Mirage and the post will be every post you usually make

Nick show will not overshadow IDW Turtles. What will happen is the exactly opposite. More people will learn about the IDW TMNT comics because of the succes of the show.

Andrew: People like you and I, who would probably like a darker and more "mature" take on TMNT (although yours would be darker than mine, I'd imagine), I think we lost the "war" for the "soul" of TMNT a long time ago and it's never gonna change. It's officially a "Kids' Property", now and forever. No changing it. I gave up, just gonna enjoy what I can in what I'm given, since the alternative would be only to stop caring about TMNT entirely, which I refuse to do.

Ugh, I sound like a WWE mark. Ah well, s'truth.

Turtles writer Kenny Byerly throws in his 2 cents.

"#TMNT fans on Technodrome forum ask: Will Nick Turtles overshadow IDW comics' version? For Nick's sake, they ****ing better."

Nick's cartoon has already overshadowed IDW's comic. More people know about the Nick cartoon now than will EVER know about the IDW comic. One 5 second commercial on Nickelodeon reached more viewers than IDW will sell TMNT issues of comics in the next 20 years.

It's not really a big deal though. They're not competing. In many ways the cartoon will expose the characters to new fresh faces and maybe even reach some old familiar ones who forgot about the Turtles. Those people may seek out comics and low and behold, they'll likely find the IDW stuff.

So it's kind of a win-win.

No different than the Mirage/OT stuff except this time we probably won't have as much backlash from the "they ruined my gritty adult comic book" people, because the Turtles have had two very distinct brands for decades now: A small adult niche one and a massive kids mainstream one.

Don't forget the movie brand, which is sort of either independent of its self, or a hybrid of the two brands described above. In any case, I would hope Nick would actually entice more young people to pick up IDW later on, just like how I've picked up Mirage. If it weren't for the licensing of the TMNT back then, we probably wouldn't have had Return To New York, City at War, or all the other great storylines through the rest of Volume 1. The target audience for Nick simply won't find IDW age appropriate, though they might pick up a new incarnation of Adventures, similar to what Archie did for the OT. Please refer to the why the TMNT franchise is similar to Batman thread for a greater perspective. The main difference now is that the franchise is multi-generational. The moms and dads who watch Nick's series will perhaps enjoy the show with their kids, and the kids will really see this series as "home" to them, but the parents' will always see the OT or perhaps the 4kids series as "their home TMNT cartoon". Anyways, you do see Nickelodeon's logo in IDW issues, whereas you never saw MWS/4kids logo in Mirage's issues on the inside cover, which means that the comic and the cartoon have a better relationship than Mirage ever did with Fred Wolf/Lloyd Goldfine.

Mirage had a great relationship with Lloyd Goldfine. 4kids stuff was advertised in the Mirage books during the 2000's all the time.

Well animated shows do get more lime light than their comic counterparts, because there are those that like to watch more than read... hence why some don't like to watch subbed anime... I don't think I found out about the mirage comics until 2008 I believe

How in the world are comics dying, sure most people get their stuff from tv now, but comics dying, no way, i'm a teenager and all, and i'm totally into comics, how is comics dying?

wut r u talkin abt? be specific.

LOL, this comment is hilarious. I guess he means the show needs to do really well to stay on the air as opposed to a monthly comic. lol.

why Kenny Byerly ?

And here we are nearly 2 years later, and it did exactly just that.

Do you plot things out like this? Becuase this isn't the first time you've dug up a thread to say "x years later, y"

Can't say I'm surprised. I mean, I never read the IDW comics and I'm sure they're great, but let's face it...there's no way a comic can stand a chance to an animated series with tons of advertising, merchandising and an entire action figure line...popularity wise, of course.

Well, I think the Nick show has overshadowed it because more kids watch TV than they read comics. But if the show is doing well, maybe kids will discover the comics through their parents. Plus, IDW's doing Animated Adventures, which is based on the Nick show so if kids want to, they can go and get those comic books. I've never read any of the comics, but that doesn't mean I won't get into them one day.

A cartoon more popular then the comic!?

I'm shocked :roll:

People are supposed to be surprised by this?

Comics are at their lowest readerships ever...

The comic industry is essentially dead compared to say 10-20 years ago because they completely ignored the 8-14 age demographic, and weren't building new fans.

The same age group show intends to attract...

cartoons are more viewed than comics.....I'm sure.

They already have.

Plus the art in IDW comic is inconsistent which constantly waiver my enjoyment. Sometimes Splinter looks ugly and fat (forget the artist's name but Splinter looks like Chinese), and mooncalfe's art.. turtles looking too much like cuddly teddy bears didn't really do it for me. It's only good in small dosages.

I think its odd the IDW comic isn't more popular. Looking over the sales thread in the comic section, each issues sells roughly 16,000 copies. That means there are more or less 16,000 people (give or take, some people buy the same issue more than once for alternate covers), following it every month.

If it continues on like this the IDW TMNT universe might be the least popular universe overall. Even the Archie series sold gangbusters in its heyday, as well as the early Mirage issues.

As I stated, the comic industry is dead...and it has been for quite a while.