What did you like least about the red sky episodes?
 

What did you like least about the red sky episodes?

The lack of familliar characters in the last two seasons. It's just really hard to decide what was worse. The show was got so boring after the age of Dregg began.

The red sky.

I'm voting for Dregg. He just wasn't a good villian like Shredder and Krang.

Pretty much everything.

I wished that Mikey could've gotten his 'chucks back after he had them replaced with a grappling hook in season 4...

I wished they have not had a red sky either. It was constantly night.
That's a lame way to make a series dark.

I would not say boring like Gobo said,but the 8 season 8 episodes( it was too darn short!!!!) were amazing even if only half had Shredder and Krang. However, after that Dregg was dull and Carter was unneccessary and annoying. Tony Jay deserved better than this horrible character! It was unneccessary to remove the Channel 6 cast and Shredder and gang for a change of pace as season 8 proved! It should have had more familar faces or had Berserko, Dark Water Inc. and Krakus appear more than just ONCE! All characters had potential to be reoccuring players! Not only the under utilzed character of that season not continuing the older reoccuring characters no longer apart of the show not Shredder's group or Channel Six but the likes of Mondo Gecko, Usagi who was never sent home, and the Punk Frogs. Big Louie might have consolidated the underworld under him or see Slash or Leatherhead again. I guess my rant is saying the characters that were focused on were forced in seasons 9 and 10 and there other characters that should have returned that did not that had potential, arguably more so than Dregg and Carter could ever hope to have.

It won't let me add options or I'd add Red Sky. I missed the cool sound effects like the space noise in Dimension-X.

The fact that the series ended.

I personally love the Red Sky, but for personally symbolic reasons. I'm a huge DC Comics fan, and whenever they have a world-ending or universe-ending event, it is usually preceded by two things: A feeling of creeping tension and impending doom throughout the stories, and the skies turning red. Most specifically, it was used in the Crisis On Infinite Earths storyline where not just worlds, but entire parallel universes were destroyed, preceded by a blood-red sky.

Since the last two seasons of the OT were "the end" of that TMNT "universe", I always found the Red Sky as VERY fitting. But I might be the only one who made that mental connection.

The lack of familiar villains, so another vote for Dregg.
The red sky was also a bit disturbing. I liked the idea of making the series darker and having some continuity, but they didn't nail it like they did with the 2003 series.

I really disliked it the first time I saw it, but I've mellowed on it since then. I think the series really needed a shift, and the new visual style was pretty cool even with the inconsistent animation. I wouldn't even mind that they phased out the old villains eventually if they had been replaced by someone really cool or menacing. Although they tried to make Dregg that dangerous threat it didn't really work for me. The Red Sky seasons were pretty darn good at their best and still entertaining at their worst. I'm looking forward to the Season 10 release. I haven't seen all of those episodes.

April had smaller jugs, that was also kind of annoying. Wasn't thrilled with the new haircut either.

I don't know how the hell people find these seasons boring. They had a more consistently written plot and tone then past seasons and there was more fighting.

Dregg was a fine villain although I do think he and Shredder should have co-existed.

I saw these seasons for the first time when I was only 11 and I thought the darker tone was the coolest thing ever. The OT ended on a high note.

The fact that each season was only 8 episodes long. Together, all 3 seasons could have been one regular season.

We didn't even have one new episode per month on average, no wonder I was simply enjoying reruns on USA at that time. Dregg has grown on me since he finally gives a real threat that Shredder was missing since the early seasons as he became too comedic. I instead voted for the abandonment of the Technodrome since despite the dark tone, the Technodrome never really had a real fight, even in Turtle Trek. It is sort of "proto-2k3" in tone. I enjoy the updated theme song, even more so than the new Nick theme. It shows that this wasn't the Simpsons where characters don't age, as the Turtles/April clearly look a bit older. The fighting is also more serious and the Turtles use their weapons more than earlier in the series.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Yeahhh I love that hair metal "TURTLE POWEERRRR!" in the new theme song!

Dregg was great in Season 10 but I imagine the whole posing-as-a-hero charade got annoying fast. That brought Season 9 down a bit for me. I hated how the Turtles had fought to be recognized as heroes only to have it brought down with the Channel 6 building, Dregg and their new mutations. Where were the supporting characters too, like Dirk Savage? Krakus was supposed to be in Season 9 but that got changed to Landor and Merrik.

Make an "Other" option. What I disliked most was the design changes to the turtles, like their more angular heads, and that we could see green in the eye slits of their bandanas.

It won't let me add options. The moderators might be able to do it.
The controls aren't responding! - Krang.

Though it was only a season 9 (and the start of 10) issue...the Super Mutations.

I liked season 8, but everything about seasons 9 and 10 (Dregg, Carter, hyper mutations) was dumb as sh*t!

Yeah, I was all for the Red Sky episodes during Season 8. I started not caring right about when Dregg and Carter came along. I hated them both, although no one can hate the voice actor who played Dregg.

This isn't so much a "dislike," but I found it very strange to see April with blue eyes after 7.5 seasons of large black pupils.

Bruce Timm & Co. did the same thing with Bruce Wayne. Weird.

the good

I liked the music in 1-7 but i feel music improved in 8-10


rat kings episode

the day the earth disappeared episode

the bad

the mutation- felt very rushed and sometimes they have speical powers and sometimes not

turtles in time episode couldve been much better

shredder not being in the final episode

no leatherhead

the final scene w/ POPCORN! cmon really lol popcorn for the final scene of an excellent show for 10 years

Silly mutations
 

Silly mutations

Simliar to all the TNBA re-designs in 97. Like the Joker and his eyeballs, which they later acknowledged and changed him back to his original design in JL.

The Technodrome's demise didn't help, especially when Shredder and Krang became legitimate threats, again. I mostly don't care for the reduced episode order. Because, while reduced episode order means the writers can't waste time with endless filler (hello, Season 3), it also means it can't truly explore certain plot or character aspects, particularly in Season 8, when the writing structure had changed so drastically. After 7 seasons as a humor-based series, an 8 episode season isn't quite enough to explore the extent on such sweeping changes and affecting all its past elements and characters (save for few exceptions, like the Rat King).

(Plus, the wasted opportunity of not putting Karai into the mix, as would she be out of place in Red Sky? Oh, well.)

On the other hand, if you add all the Red Sky episodes together, they do make for one standard 24 episode season. In which case, it can somewhat work.

Didn't Earth and Dimension-X look the same because of the red sky?

That's laughable. Seasons 9 and 10, especially Season 10, have some great episodes.

Yeah! How dare you have a differing opinion Jeff? Seriously!

You have to admit that season 9 was weak and gimmcik ridden with Dregg,Carter, and the mutation and the sudden absence of Channel Six News crew and Shredder and company. "Split Second" and "Doomesquest" were well done. Split Second did not need Dregg forced into the end of that one. That episode proved that Dregg hurt the series and that it could still be good without Shredder and Krang around. Doomequest was good because it was nice to see Dregg pushed around and the mutations suppsoedly solved.

He did not go into detail about what he disliked about the actual episodes, he merely said, "everything." I can understand not liking Dregg or Carter or the mutations, but there is a lot in those seasons that has nothing to do with that that's enjoyable. Even if Dregg is the overall villain they weren't always fighting him but his minions or other aliens working for him.

Specify how.

Dregg didnt hurt the show. You fear change. That's all.

So disliking Dregg means you fear change. Good to know...

Dregg wasn't a bad villain, the mistake was replacing Shredder/Krang completely. They should have co-existed as rivals like in Season 10.

+1.

In recent years, and even back then, I never disliked Dregg. After all, after years of a humorous alien trying to conquer the world (albeit one who could be a real SOB while doing it), one could appreciate the change (plus Tony Jay really sold the role). As Cubed said, the mistake was removing Shredder/Krang, especially as Season 8 re-established them as actual threats, again.

And the interesting part is by the end, Dregg lost his motivation and became obsessive about killing the Turtles, like Shredder often did. And refreshingly, Mung or any minion called him out about that, in light of what happened to Hi-Tech. Granted, Krang did that to Shredder many times, as well, but since the series' tone wasn't as serious whenever he did it, the impact is rather lessened.

As for the mutation aspect, it was a good idea, though, execution-wise, could have been better.

The only thing I really don't like in these episodes is Shredder's voice. Sounds like the guy playing him is trying so hard to sound gruff that there's little to no emotion at all. Really miss Avery here, he had such great range...

Red Sky was a mess.

First of all, I really don't see why they didn't just reboot the damn show. It has almost no connection to any previous seasons, even when Shredder and Krang were in the episodes. The color scheme was totally drab, there were almost no funny moments, the action sequences were pitiful, the music wasn't as good, and even the editing was just totally rushed all the time.

Season 9 did look a little better, but it made me think of Rugrats for some reason. Between Tony Jay, a couple of the musical cues, and a few creature designs, I'm pretty sure some of the creative team worked on both shows. Even though I appreciate season's 9 and 10 for trying new stuff... there was Carter.

Carter is actually not even a bad character, but his introduction and backstory just plain suck. Right from day one, he literally becomes the 5th turtle. I don't think he and April ever properly meet on the show, they just start talking to eachother like they're old friends.

Mutations were cheap, and just stupid. I won't even ramble about them.

One nice thing I will say about the Red Sky episodes is that the jokes at the end of the episodes tended to actually be funny rather than totally moronic and random like before.

I voted Dregg because the Turtles don't really need the big bad to be a fun show. I prefer when they are just thrown into situations and have to deal with them. I was excited when Shredder and Co. seemed to be gone because I thought that it was going to be a shift in the direction of more threatening one off villians, as the saying goes "Keep the tone, lose the nemesis." Instead they just introduced another villian to be the Lex Luthor to the Turtles "Superman."

Now that FoxZerro mentions it, Dregg to me was like Darkseid to Superfriends in the last two seasons. Ugh... though, like Dregg, he was better in the last season.

The Red Sky seasons have some of the best action sequences of the show. Also they definitely had more fighting in each episode than most previous seasons. Season 8 and 10 have the best animation because they switched to a different studio for Season 9. And I thought the soundtrack was awesome.

And I beg to differ on the funny moments. They still broke the wall in Season 8, such as Mike saying, "Does that mean the show will only be half as long next week?"

I will agree forcing Carter into every episode was a mess, and Lord Dregg should have co-existed with the earlier villains, but everything else was fine.

Whaaaaa!??! Those were arguably the best seasons of Super Friends, especially the last one. Along with "Challenge of".