Republicans push for an amendment that would ban abortion; even if the woman is raped
 

Apparently, the Republican Party is trying to get a "human life amendment" pushed through that would make abortion illegal; even in cases of rape or incest.

They want to basically have the Fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution to apply to unborn babies as well.

Mitt Romney; representing the Republican Party in this year's Presidential Election; is supporting that abortion should be illegal but should be allowed in cases of rape.

His VP Candidate, Paul Ryan, was against abortion, even in cases of rape, but has changed his tone to allow abortion in rape circumstances.

Todd Akin, a U.S. senate candidate, made statements of how pregnancy can't occur if a woman is raped; something along the lines of her tension from the rape causes hormones to be released that prevent pregnancy from occurring; something like that.

Romney and Ryan are against his statements but it's now become a hot issue.


I personally would not support an anti-abortion law. I just don't like the government taking away rights from people that they've been entitled to have for a long time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1818532.html

Won't ever happen. Even if it did pass it would take one person to die from an illegal basement abortion for them to revoke it. I think the Republicans are trying campaign with insanity this time around. Every week they come up with some crazy thing they want to do.

I was gonna say the same exact thing, bro. I think it's pretty clear this election is fixed (like they all are). It's the same script as 1996, weak Democrat candidate whose biggest hook is that he's not his opponent.

In fact, anyone notice that as soon as it looked like Romney might actually win, he and his associates started acting batsh*t crazy? I swear it's fixed, and they'r just not "supposed" to win this time, and are taking no chances. Obama will win, then in 4 years the Repulican candidate will win. You start to see patterns if you pay close enough attention to this nonsense.

I remember when these threads were locked right away.

Yeah....those were the days.

At least the Chick-Fil-A thread wasn't so controversial, and fizzled out on its own.

I still fundamentally disagree with the idea that a bunch of grown-ups can't discuss grown-up things on a message board.

i agree, i wish more topics could be freely discussed.

I personally don't like abortion. I support giving rights to those who don't have them.
And you actually think conspiracy theories are grown-up things?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
- Declaration of Independence (emphasis mine)

what patterns? let's take a look at the amount of time each party has controlled office- starting in 2012 and working our way back...
current- 4yrs democratic party (obama)
8yrs republican party (g.w. bush)
8yrs democratic party (clinton)
12yrs republican party (g.h.w bush & reagan)
4 yrs democratic party (carter)
8 yrs republican party (ford & nixon)
8yrs democratic party (kennedy & johnson)
4 yrs republican party (eisenhower)
20yrs democratic party (Roosevelt & Truman)

the serving 8yrs and switching parties stops with George H.W. Bush, as he only served one term... technically if you are looking for patterns we are more likely to only see Obama serve one term because out of the 12 names (excludes Obama) only 5 have successfully served 2 (or more) full terms as president.

The US politicians are a lot more entertaining then ours.

I was just posting what was currently happening; kept seeing it on news sites I visit, so I thought it was important for people to know.

If it's going to cause problems, then I'll stop posting. I'd delete them but there's no way I can do that.

There should be a feature that allows me to delete posts if they are going to cause problems for people.

So if, God forbid, your wife was violently raped and became pregnant from that rape (yes, senator Akin, that can happen) you would want herf to carry that child to term and give birth to it......a daily 9 month reminder of that rape?

I probably would never have an abortion unless I was raped or would die from carrying the child. But I'm also not going to tell some other woman how to handle her body....and I'm definitely not for old white men making laws that dictate what I can or can't do with my own reproductive health.

I usually try to avoid these types of threads like the plague, but I think Jester deserves a little back-up as the poor token conservative.

Rape, under any circumstances is a horrible thing. But even that doesn't give the victimized mother a right to take away her unborn child's life.

Very much agreed. Abortion is a selfish and murderous act. Take the positives out such a harrowing experiance and deal with the issue like a grown-up.

It's fighting abortion that's a selfish act. Trying to impose your beliefs on another person, because.... Why? Why do people feel the need to invade other peoples privacy like that? Some people believe abortion is wrong, they will never have one. Fine. That's their decision, I don't care. Some people believe it's right. They might get one. Fine, okay. Once again, I don't care.

Why do we care what other people do, as long as it doesn't affect us? It's such a disgusting, authoritarian state of mind. I mean, for all the liberty, independence and freedom that Americans like to talk about, some of you sure like to remove those same values from other individuals.

Are you ****ing kidding me? "Positives" of rape... I mean, sure. Between the physical and emotional trauma, I'm sure it's a ****ing party.

Raise the baby of the man that raped you! Hey! You didn't want to have sex or get impregnated that day but you got both! Bonus! Look at the positives! Now you're forced to raise a baby you don't want! All that joy and wonder of spending money and resources to raise the child of a rapist is now yours!

Oh boy! Rape me now!

Well that's an extreme example, but even than there's always adoption.

Because a lot people think abortion is murder, and don't think people should have the right to murder their own children.

Extreme? A very real example. Sure, in an ironic voice, but still. That's the reality right there.

And a lot of people don't think it's murder. Once again, why do you care? Should we ban meat since a lot of people think that's murder?

And don't say "Meat is something natural, we're designed to eat blah-blah-blah", because we've been aborting pregnancies since we learned how pregnancies work all those thousands of years ago.

Let's look at it this way:
_If a man kills a woman and she is pregnant, the man gets two murder charges.
_But if a woman decides to abort (kill) her own unborn baby, she is not charged with anything.
I don't care if the baby is one week old or one year old, murder is murder.

Rape may harm a woman, but that does not give her the right to harm a little baby.

""See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.."

I care because I don't like killing babies, and meat is made from animals not people.

You don't have to kill anyone. Hell, you don't even have to watch ;)

Abortions will happen whether you like it or not. Because they've always happened and always will happen, and can be traced back thousands of years and will keep happening until we as a species go extinct. The question is, how safe and humane should it be for the people involved? Should one fetus die legally or should one fetus die illegally, with the risk of a second person - the mother - also dying, and a third or fourth person ending up in jail?

People are animals, too. Just because we have a perceived intelligence that stems from us "understanding" and creating symbols like shapes and languages, doesn't make us any different from a biological standpoint. Don't fight biology!

Hahahahaha, oh, I can't stop laughing. But you all know what I mean!!! ;)

Considering how my wife was conceived, she's even more pro-life than I am. It's because of her that I'm even a little leery of my once held "only in cases of rape and incest" exception for abortion. I used to feel that in most cases abortion was in fact very selfish. Someone's poor choices in their sexual life means that a child's life is forfeit? Really? Not taking necessary precautions before the fact and then just destroying the consequence of that inaction seems wrong, BUT in the case of rape that choice is taken from the woman, and thus the abortion seemed less selfish.

Then I think back to my wife, and if her mother had thought that way, I wouldn't have her. Or my son. Yes, the fact that she was conceived by such a vile act was evil, and against her mother's will, but there is some good to come of it. Heck, in trying to convince me away from my view, Angela and I have talked, and if, heaven forbid she did conceive via rape, she'd carry the baby and put it up for adoption...because she knows that any life, no matter how it got here, is precious.

So your logic is if you think something is morally wrong you should just close your eyes and pretend it doesn't exist?
Why have laws against murder? People murder each other ever day so why ban it? What about rape? People are gonna get raped anyway, so why make it against the law?

No, I just said you don't have to kill anyone. :P

This is a way too complex issue, I've said what I have to say, you all know where I stand, this discussion won't change anything anyway, and I'm desperately trying to work, so I'm out of here :p

We are not animals, so we shouldn't act like animals.

The condom is not 100% safe, neither is the pill or the spiral. Unexpected pregnancy can occur.

If such a law passes there will be a lot of strange miscarriages or back to the good old coat hanger. No woman should be forced to go though an unwanted pregnancy, especially if she was raped. If she wants to ditch it or keep it, it is her choice.

suuuure...

If abortion is okay, then there is no moral reason against the death penalty.

To quote playwright George Bernard Shaw, you cannot bring someone back if they were executed. You cannot bring someone back after they have spent time in jail either.

Yes but women still have to choose to have sex to get pregnant, and even if she doesn't want the baby why does she have to kill it? Why not put it up for adoption? There are plenty of people out there that want children but can't have them themselves.

Isn't there enough parent-less children out there?

And pregnancies have their risks, it's not all flowers, sunshine and "honey i want strawberries" in the middle of the winter 2 O'clock in the morning.

Humans as well as other intelligent creatures have sex for more then just reproduction, choosing to have or not have sex is not valid to be forced to go through a pregnancy when a child is unwanted. I would never force my girlfriend to carry though a pregnancy if we got unlucky.

Isn't there enough murder out there?

Isn't there enough people out there?

And abortions have their risks:
_studies suggests that women who abort face a 50% increase in breast cancer,
_women who have experienced abortion have a 600% increase in their risk for Abruptio Placenta in future pregnancies (This can result in extreme and severe life-threatening bleeding),
_abortion causes infertility in 2-5% of the women who have an abortion,
_50% of women who have had abortions report experiencing emotional and psychological problems lasting for months or years.

Yes choosing to have sex is valid. You don't need sex to live.

I read what Zarius said, and I was getting upset. But then I remembered he has a mental disability.

And that couldn't possibly be attributed to the situation that led to abortion or anything of course not. How about you throw out some more meaningless statistics that amount to a hill of beans. I heard if you go outside you increase your chances of getting hit by a car by 100%!

Force people to have unwanted children because of YOUR moral standing. Nobody is asking you and people like you to police the world personally.

Church going Christian here BTW. Enjoy the rape everyone! Because...well....sperm is alive apparently.

Most women have unwanted pregnancies because they were careless, not because they were raped. What I said still stands.

Keep insults out of this discussion. What you said is just insulting and has no meaning in this discussion.

What insults just saying that I am a church going Christian and I don't believe others should be forced to do something because of moral standings of a few others.

You have a statistic for that first one or are just going to go with what you perceive again? Even if it was the case, who cares? It's their body, their choice and their lives. Sure it's f*cked up and irresponsible but guess what? Free will homie! That's speaking for the women that just had an accident of course. Rape victims shouldn't be looked down upon for not wanting to carry on the legacy of the dude that raped them.