Turtles Forever: New Family Favorite
 

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This is some pretty creative writing for an animated movie. I watched it for the first time recently, with my son, and loved it! I can see why there are worldwide Turtle fans!

Love the old school and the new school!

Mark L.

Yeah I liked it a lot too, though fans of the OT generally don't like it because it treats that particular run quite badly.

Something that I really liked about that movie is that it features a lot of light humor (like the whole 4th wall thing between OT raph and hun) and that it also applies some logic to the fred wolf mutagen (something that in the nick series has already ignored; yeah, I'm looking at you fishface and dogpound).

Most OT fans loved it, the people complaining are a very vocal minority. They don't get that the OT turtles weren't meant to be taken seriously, and I say this as a huge fan of the original cartoon.

The only scene that should have been cut was the OT turtles crying in 4kids Raph's arms, the others were fine.

My mistake then. I've not been around for that long and that was the impression I got from a comment I read a while back :trazz:

You should look through the original review thread for the movie from back in 2009. Most people loved it upon their initial watch.

There are some obvious problems with the way the original turtles were handled, but its nowhere near the big deal some people make it out to be.

Problems with the original turtles or the OT turtles? I'm sure I know what you mean, but have to be sure.

I love the movie too. Just wish the Mirage Turtles would have been in it longer. I think they're awesome in the show.

Turtles Forever rocks the house. :D

I saw the uncut version when it made the rounds online four years ago, and was very impressed. I hadn't gotten back into the Turtles, nor, at the time, seen the 2003 show yet--but I was still excited and enjoyed every moment of it. Something about "Turtles Forever" is just...wow. It's tremendous fun.

My gut told me at the time that, despite the complaining I heard, the OT Turtles "felt" accurate to my vague childhood memories, and today, after rewatching the old cartoon and the whole of 2k3, that feeling is confirmed.

This is awesome, in other words.

"Turtles Forever" is a love letter to the franchise as a whole, and proof of the old bit of wisdom that parodies are best done by people who know and love the source material. Making fun of something doesn't mean you dislike it.

I felt no meanspiritedness, no attempt to flatter the 2k3 Turtles over anyone else, but an honest evaluation of the differences that would pop up if these universes ever met. The OT characters weren't 100% accurate, but that's only because different writers were portraying them: the broad strokes were there.

The only shame is that the uncut release never made it here on DVD, but I really should pick it up in some form anyway.

LOL, well consider me as part of that "minority" then... :lol:

While I enjoy "Turtles Forever" by itself and do like to watch it. I do feel that the 4Kids writers unfairly portrayed the OT Turtles. But then again, I'm not too surprised since there was sometimes a snide hint toward most references to the OT in the 4Kids show. The 4Kids show was good, but the OT references were lowbrow. I know others will say that 4Kids were "complimenting" the OT, but when you compare the OT references of 4Kids to Nick. Well...there seems to be a tinge of distaste of the OT with 4Kids. (i.e. Raph smacking Michelangelo everytime he tries to say "Cowabunga!")

It's somewhat annoying when some say that "Turtles Forever" accurately depicted the OT Turtles characters when its more a Flanderization of them. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...Flanderization With the 4kids Turtles lecturing the OT Turtles so often, it made the OT Turtles come across to be just as incompetent as Bebop and Rocksteady. Especially when this incompetence is pointed out again and again and again in the movie.

Yes, the OT Turtles had obvious slapstick fighting methods, but they almost always took the threats by any villain seriously in the original show and didn't laugh it off or cower away as in "Turtles Forever". Seasons 1, 7, 8-10 (Red Sky Seasons) at least minimally prove that.

I think its great that you and your son are bonding over a new found love of the Turtles. One of the main reasons I try to keep so many things from my childhood is so I can one day share those experiences with the younger generation of my family. And Turtles Forever is a great bridge between old and new fans. I loved the OT and after watching TF I re-watched all of the '03 show (first time watching it since it originally airded) and ended up appreciating it a lot more.

-And I would have liked to see the OT turtles handled a little bit better, but I still loved the film and think they did a great job. Plus the explanation of multiple dimensions in which turtles exist was always how I imagined it to work.

I agree with this. :tthumbsu:

mostly I blame the fact on the bad portrayel on the fact I don't think 4kids can do good comedy right (at least the type of comedy that they did for the 87 turtles) and my proof in that is all the bad jokes they do in their anime dubs

I mean, the 87 turtles really did have some good moments when you they weren't trying to get a laught "vs. the foot underground" "87 Leo vs 03 Raph/he is like sensei" "Let's do it" just to name a few

Turtles Forever made the OT turtles into goofy, useless, incapable idiots needing to be babysat. I am truly surprised to find out there are any OT fans who weren't offended.

Agreed.

I can enjoy the movie, and I certainly appreciate the concept - seeing different generations of Turtles team up is super fun - but the "flanderization" of the OT Turtles is pretty obvious. I remind myself that it was written by the 4kids team - who I felt didn't really know how to handle comedy - so I can better enjoy the comedic moments they did get right as well as the story as a whole.

The DVD of this is now one of my most cherished possessions and I am proud to have it right next to the 1990 movie. I do agree about the OT Turtles portrayal and I am not exactly happy with it. If only they had the original voice actors and David Wise on the writing team, then we would have gotten a truly awesome teamup with the OT and 2K3 Turtles.

Annoyed? Yes.

Offended? Eh...there are more important things to get worked up about, LOL. :lol: Besides, we all know how easily these threads can escalate into a flame war if the opinions get too strong here. :lol:

It's on YouTube.


I just liked seeing the 4-Kids turtles in... H-H-H D-D-D. Also the representation of the OT turtles wasn't that bad, it's just that the 4-Kids turtles thought that they were lame. Note: I'm only a fan of season 1 and 2 of the OT... if that really matters.

You mean the same OT Turtles who all saved the day at various points in the movie?

It was a unrepresentative parody of something the world loved, presented to a new generation of kids who wouldn't know any better. I don't think "offended" is too strong a word.

I may have exaggerated, but they still turned my turtles into goobers...

I mean I definitely see your point chrisdude, but if people are that shortsighted in considering the "Turtles Forever" OT Turtles as accurate without even seeing the OT itself... well, that's their loss. But "Turtles Forever" is already made and out there, its useless to get upset over spilled milk. :ohwell: ***shoulder shrug***
Besides, knowing the 4Kids history of jab references to the OT (the "too cool for OT" behavior)... it's similar to those having an inferiority complex. Not surprising, knowing that their version is always going to be in the shadows of the OT's legacy and impact. In fact, if it wasn't for the OT's unprecedented success the 4Kids series would be nonexistent as a whole, and that the two would forever be compared with each other...and I'm sure the 4Kids writers grudgingly understood that.

There may have been a few times the OT Turtles saved the day, but in "Turtles Forever" one couldn't tell if the OT Turtles merely stumbled into saving the day or if there was a shred of genuine intelligent, brave behavior that led up to it. :lol:

I really wanted to give 4Kids the benefit of a doubt, but looking back I just feel the depiction of the Fred Wolf TMNT came off too mean-spirited. That being said I don't feel the movie has held up well over the last few years.

The movie has held up very well in terms of the overall plot, animation, humor and character meetings. I loved how it celebrated both the 25th anniversary and acted as a series finale for the 4kids series at the same time.

Yea they gave plenty of respect to all the comics that were published up to that point, yet the original cartoon interpretation was treated like a freaking joke!

They handled the characters decently enough. They got Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady perfectly, as well as Splinter and April. With the exception of Leo not being serious, Raph and Don were handled very well, and to a lesser extent Mike was the same.

Okay I'll grant they had their moments but certain incidents were just painful, especially that part near the end where 4Kids Raph saved OT Mike, Leo and Raph and they all start crying like babies! Since when are the OT Ninja Turtles that wimpy?!

I still think it best to consider the 2nd team of TMNT in Turtles Forever to be the Playmates Turtles, not the Fred Wolf Turtles. They never called the Turtle Van a 'party wagon' in the show. NEVER.

That's the only scene I would cut.

I watched this again recently, but my first viewing of was about a year or so ago.
I didn't know it existed, and after reading about it, I just had to watch it.
I was seriously impressed. I thought the creative team had done a great job of writing a script that actively blended the two shows characters, styles, humor, etal whilst pulling off a really entertaining movie.
So, whilst enjoying this a whole lot (I think I even ordered a pizza) I genuinely got excited when they ended up in B/W land, and met the original Turtles.
They pulled out all the stops on this to give something to everyone.
The close, with the creation of the first page and the last line of dalogue were priceless.
For me, it's a great movie, and I've shown it in school and I haven't had anyone not like it, and for most of my kids, it's the first time they have ever seen the OT guys!
I will close by saying, Cool Movie.

I was very excited for this movie and had laughed so much at the previews like "we save April at least once a day." But after I watched the movie I just didn't like their interpretation of the turtles. And upon second watching I realized they weren't just treated bad it felt outright mean spirited and Laird's way of pissing the OT he hated so much.

At first most of the opinions were positive and people were just hyped as hell of the new movie and it was only a few of us who complained but as time has gone by more fans have noticed just what a ****** treatment the OT got.

The movie has actually grown on me but many of the scenes just take me out, those are not the OT turtles, they are an outright parody of themselves and have more in common with 2k3 mikey than anything from the OT, not even in their silliest days did they act like anywhere near that. Only Beebop/Rocksteady were used correctly. It was supposed to be a meet up of the two shows, not a "look how silly this show was" when it wasn't even like that. Just because the OT get a few "hurrahs" during the movie doesn't make up for the fact of how they were treated. "Oh sorry for treating you like crap, here have a cookie and let's make up now".

Yeah, that's a theory I had as well (or maybe I only read your idea, I can't remember anymore.) because if there's an infinite number of universes it makes sense for them to not be the OT turtles but a wackier version that is only similar to the OT turtles since it's clearly not the OT turtles in the movie. However I stopped liking that theory because what makes the movie interesting is that it's a team-up with the OT I grew up with and not some other turtle universe, that takes most of the cool things from the movie away.

Also to me it wouldn't be the playmates turtles because as seen in the bios and box art of the toys those turtles were totally more bad-ass than the oT turtles, so it's clearly a different universe from playmates ;)

They got the villains perfectly. Shredder and Krang were exactly how they were in the OT. Even in Season 7 Shredder literally got beaten by the turtles throwing something at him or jumping on top of him.

I also fail to see how Raphael was out of character, when he acted exactly like his OT counterpart. So did Donatello.

Mikey didn't get to do that much, but his love of pizza was kept. And Leo was just...Leo.

Great movie! ! My 2in favorite lines...

Shredder: "Wheres my command chair!"

Michelangelo: "check it out,they got little initials on their belt buckles"

Lol

Turtles Forever for me is enjoyable, and I like to watch it from time to time, but it could have been so much better if they had simply dialed back how much they made fun of the OT turtles, it really takes you out of the movie, at least it did me. Sure the OT is goofy at times, but never were they reduced to anywhere close the brainless drooling morons that they were portrayed as in Turtles Forever. They joked but they didn't laugh off the threat of villains in the OT. Donnie was a competent engineer in the OT, in TF he was an idiot who banged on everything with a hammer. And sure in the OT Orange occasionally did the belch noise thing when he talked but never to the extent that they showed in TF. They had him bleching 5 times everytime he talked. They over exaggerated the OT quirks big time. This could have been a chance to take the Turtles from the first season of the FW series and have them meet up with the 4Kids version and we would've had the greatest 100 minutes of Turtle action ever to be on tv or in a movie. Instead they derailed that chance just so they could be little and degrade a series that quite frankly got most of us interested in the Turtle franchise in the first place.

Do I still enjoy it, Yeah, but damn did they drop the ball and blow a huge opportunity just so they could take some cheap shots at the OT.

Just curious how often do some of you actually watch the original toon? I watch it once every year in a complete 193 episode run.

The turtles do laugh at their enemies and in danger. When the turtles met the Swatter for the first time they burst out laughing. When they heard a rhino and warthog were stolen from the zoo in episode 2 from April, they burst into laughter.

Shredder and Krang were goofballs. Shredder was always beaten by one or two attacks, mainly the turtles throwing something at him.

I watch it weekly, I have all of the seasons, and watch 2-3 hour chunks while I draw at night, 2-3 nights a week. Never in the OT have I see the Turtles reach a level of silliness that they hit & maintained the entire time in Turtles Forever. Were some episodes more silly & filled slapstick humor than others? Absolutely! But never to the overdone extent that it was in Turtles Forever.

i loved Turtles Forever, and have wanted to see some kind of continuation with it as well

I have just ordered the UK edit from Amazon UK.
I don't get all the negative comments about the OT guys though. There was a great point made above, about how they were always laughing, and yeah they goof around a lot (3 musketeers type stuff), and one I watched last night when they were attacking their fridge to defrost it.. Not thinking to just unplug it. Of course, its plugged back in and the lair becomes an ice rink. It was that kind if show.
I really thought the Forever movie captured everything pretty well, and is my favorite of all the Turtles movies, in that I can watch and enjoy it quite frequently.

Lately I've been watching various foreign dubs of the OT just to get a feel of the acting presented even if I don't understand most of those other languages. But I feel that the writers needed to make the OT characters that much sillier/goofier just so that the contrast between them and the 4kids was more dramatic to make it entertaining. Mirage had a smaller part, but it was a nice way to show the true spirit of the original comics since 4kids were basically polished to feel more "realistic" as opposed to being overly crude. But Nick is giving new life on the concept, even if in a smaller scale (one episode and supposedly just the OT Turtles) but with the actual OT voices. However the Nick Turtles are less serious than 4kids meaning that the differences in personalities will be smaller, so generating drama will be more of a challenge.

So when the 80's TMNT meet the 2012 TMNT and if they get portrayed the RIGHT way.... what excuse will the 2K3 crowd have for Turtles Forever....

Might have to watch those episodes again Cubed. They laughed at the Swatter cause he was mega-lame, the way Spider-Man laughed when he fought a lame-o named the Walrus. They laughed at the rhino and warthog thing cause it sounded silly until April mentioned the robots.They weren't laughing when they saw Bebop and Rocksteady. It's the context that matters. And they never did noogies in the old show either.

I agree with Allio. Probably the biggest reason the "comedic" FW Turtles come off as (even bigger) caricatures of the Turtles is because they were written by the 4kids writing staff....and they couldn't write humor like the FW team could. The 4th wall breaking was there, but otherwise the "humor" wasn't even close to what made the FW series enjoyable.

Oh, and Cybercubed, opinions change. I'm sure there are people who watched TF and loved it when it was new, but in retrospect, once the newness wore off, can see the cracks.

Gobo may be on to something, too. Not only do they call the Turtle Van the "Party Wagon", but they call the Mutagen "Ooze"...which I'm sure the FW series never did. And exactly how often did the Turtles fight Shredder over the "Ooze"?

Didn't the 4kids turtles compliment the Turtle Van and Blimp after they got used to them? I remember them saying they weren't half bad and they were useful.