To tekcop...
 

tekcop, man your avatar is one of the sweetest things I have ever seen! I am a huge fan of the WWE as well. Where did you get it?

If you want to talk to someone individually PM them instead, thanks.

Dude's right about the PM thing...

BUT-- I got that picture from The Hurricane's website: shanehelms.com.

Hmm..So, you guys really like half-naked sweaty men "wrestling" with eachother?

<sarcasm> Hmm. better than watching fully naked 16 year old cartoon turtles jumping around "fighting" bad guys </sarcasm>

what is that sposta mean?

Dude, you don't have to like wrestling, but after all the stuff those "big sweaty half naked men" go through just for entertainment, you damn well better respect it.

:) I can act too, respect me. lol.

Considering they put their bodies on the line, suffer injuries, and even in one case, face death to entertain us, you are god damn right they diserve respect. It's not about "Acting". You can't fake gravity, every time JEff Hardy Fell off of a ladder and landed on the floor, It hurt his body. Now look at the poor guy, Fired because he became addicted to pain killers, just so he could KEEP entertaining us. But I guess some people are too "Cool" to see it that way. Grow up. Seriously. You would think a bunch of adults that watch a kids cartoon would have the ability to suspend belief for 2 hours a week...

And Keep in Mind, several other forum users here are WWE Fans, INCLUDING atleast one of the Admins.

:roll: grunger kittie wishes he were a Mod.

:roll: Matthew138 wishes he had some friends.

:lol:

:D Well put GK :) It's ok if you dont like wrestling, but I hate how people go around dissing the people who do like it, or just dissing wrestling in general... The part that gets me the most is "THAT WAS FAKE, LOOK, THAT IS FAKE TOO! WRESTLING IS ALL FAKE! WAH WAH WAH!" I'm not saying it's 100% real, of course it isnt, all im saying is that a percentage of it is fake. Like GK said, when people take high bumps off of HIAC (Mick Foley the 3 times or whatever) The Cage (Rey Mysterio on his debut day, Jeff Hardy doing the swanton bomb and missing, Kurt Angle doing his moonsault) And all that other stuff. The funny part is that everyone here is here for one main reason, 4 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that got mutated, that were trained by a pet rat, blah blah blah. If you want to make fun of something someone else likes, look at what forum you are posting on :| I dont even know what I was talking about anymore :goofygri:

Good one Tricerton. :sleep:

Thanks :D :evilgrin: :D

I'm totally anti-wrestling but, T-ton and GK are right. Just cuz ya don't like wrestling doesn't mean ya hafta bash it. Everyone has different opinions! I just say, whatevah shakes your cake!

What's with you and cake? :lol:

Yea, wrestling just seems like the most childish thing to do to entertain someone, it is so barbaric... We have to see people jump off of corner posts and bash each other's heads to have fun? I mean, come on...lets get a little more mature here.....there is no skill in wrestling, just get big.. :lol: :lol:

Your seriously meant that? Theres no skill in wrestling, just get big? How friggin naive can you be? Im sure 95% no wait, 99% of the people in all of the wrestling world are way more talented than youll ever be at wrestling Tokka. Just to have the stamina to wrestle a 45 minute match involves skill. Tokka, I would LOVE to see you last 45 minutes straight running around, doing the stuff that HHH and Kevin Nash did at Bad Blood. You wouldnt even last the length of a Goldberg match without dieing of exhaustion :|

Note to the stupid: An average Goldberg match lasts around 3 minutes :P

Yea, cuz God knows Rey Misterio, Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels are all huge, roided up muscleheads. For the record, Misterio is about 5'4, 160 lbs, Benoit is about 5'9, 220 lbs, and Michaels is the largest of the three at a whopping 6'2, 225 lbs.

You think it takes no skill to wrestle? I'll tell you right now, I wrestled in high school, as in "real" wrestling, and it was the hardest thing by far I'd ever done. Once a year the wrestling teams and basketball teams would switch practices and take on the other sport's drills, and let me tell you, it was funny as hell to see all the big, tough basketball players puking their guts out from exhaustion. A 3-minute amateur wrestling match is like torture, like running a mile at full speed with a child on your shoulders. Wrestling is the toughest sport there is, bar none, and anyone who thinks or says differently never competed. If you think otherwise, get on the mat and prove me wrong.

Now, consider this: Many professional wrestling matches go far longer than 3 minutes. Many go as long as a half an hour, and until a few years ago matches that went an hour or more were common. And not just wrestling on a mat... actually being picked up and slammed on the mat, sometimes from ten feet in the air or more. As has been said, "you can't fake gravity". It hurts. The mats in pro rings are the same as amateur mats... they hurt. NOW factor in getting hit in the head with chairs, falling off ladders... where exactly does the "fake" part come in? Because the match results are predetermined? How many boxing matches has Don King promoted that were fixed in advance?

The guys don't try to kill each other. But mistakes happen. People get hurt. People die. People have been dropped on their head and died of a broken neck, right in the middle of a match. People have taken bad falls, suffered serious internal injuries, and died, right in the middle of a match. Broken necks, heart attacks, punctured lungs, brain aneurysms... they happen.

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That's a match from 1994, Chris Benoit wrestling Sabu. About 30 seconds into the match, Benoit went for a suplex and dropped Sabu directly on his head, fracturing several vertebrae in his neck. Most people would take it easy after that; Sabu wrestled less than two months later wearing a neck brace. Think that was "easy"?

You know how many people in wrestling actually perform, every single night, with injuries that would have normal people collecting disability? Hulk Hogan's left knee is, for all intents and purposes, gone. His knee ligaments have been completely destroyed because he blew his knee out in 1985 and never got it fixed until 1999 because up until recently, if you were hurt, you did not get paid, period, so nobody could afford to take time off with injuries. And that's just one example. There's an immeasurable number of retired wrestlers who are either in wheelchairs, partially paralyzed, or have had hip and knee replacements because of all the damage done during their wrestling careers. I suggest telling one of them that it's "stupid" and "all fake".

Not everybody likes wrestling, and that's fine. But to not respect it means, in all honesty, that you're ignorant. To not respect what these people go through, every night, for the sake of entertainment, is ignorant. I have eternally more respect for men like Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart and Chris Benoit than I do for spoiled, pampered "real" athletes who whine incessantly and strike/get locked out because they want $10 million a year instead of $8 million a year.

I can understand why people think wrestling is stupid. I mean look at all the crap they have done over the years, Riding out to the ring in monster trucks, Sting wrestling Robo Cop, Chucky the doll threating Rick Steiner, Chuck Norris and Mike Tyson helping out the WWF, Jay Leno vs Eric Bischoff, The Blue Meanie, Roddy Piper kissing Goldust. I could go on forever.

I myself no longer watch wrestling. I stopped watching after the DX tease involving HHH and HBK (they acting as though they were gonna reform DX, but HHH ended up turning on HBK), and stopped watching permanently after my hero/idol X-Pac left. I had to be one of the biggest DX marks on the planet and it totally broke my heart. But even though I don't particularly like wrestling, I will ALWAYS respect it. Sure, you can think it's stupid, but atleast have the decency to respect the athletes that go through sh*t that most people would never think about putting themselves through just to entertain someone else. This ain't about liking it or disliking it, it's about respect.

But it is just plain dumb. I see people pick others up and toss them around, and people fighting with chairs, do we really need that? How is that entertaining?? Sheesh, grow up. And I was talking about fake wrestling when I meant it takes no skill, just be big and have spandex. High school wrestling takes some skill, but it is still a dummy sport, now boxing...that is a sport that takes skill. Wrestling just attracts the people who can't graduate high school and need to get quick money by flexing with spandex. Get a REAL job, then you will see how hard it is to make REAL money. But you might have to be smart, so fair warning... :roll:

Again, it's easy for someone who's never actually DONE it to say this stuff. I've mentioned before that a lot of wrestlers not only have college educations, but a lot of them have done "real" jobs. Teachers, bankers, CPAs, just to name a few, have all gotten into wrestling, not because they "couldn't do a real job", but because they *wanted* to do it. Scott Levy (Raven) is a member of MENSA. I don't remember what his IQ is, but the guy is, without exaggeration, a certified genius. I seriously doubt he wrestles because he "couldnt do anything else".

See, Tokka, the problem is that you, by your own admission, have no idea what you're talking about in this case, because you don't know anything factual about wrestling, and therefore your arguments come off sounding ignorant. Your opinion, that you don't like wrestling, is perfectly valid. But saying things like "the only people who become wrestlers are people who can't do anything else" makes you look completely ignorant for the simple fact that it's not true. In fact, most people in wrestling *quit* their prior jobs to *become* wrestlers. Hulk Hogan was a banker. The Ultimate Warrior was a chiropractor. Big Van Vader is a real estate agent. Kevin Nash coached basketball. Spike Dudley was an elementary school teacher. D-Lo Brown was a Certified Public Accountant. All of those jobs offer much more benefits and job security than professional wrestling, but each of these individuals went out and became wrestlers because they WANTED to, not because they "couldn't do anything else".

As for comparing wrestling to boxing... I'm sorry but that is yet another ignorant argument. The ONLY time an amateur wrestler would lose to a boxer is if the wrestler had NO clue what he was doing. In boxing all you use is your hands... the gloves are like handcuffs on you, and you're completely handicapped against an opponent who is skilled in using their entire body. I've gotten in a lot of fights, and I haven't actually taken a punch since the 8th grade. The reason why is that anyone who wrestles knows that all you have to do when someone throws a punch is dodge it, take the guy down and pummel the crap out of them. The last guy that tried to take a swing at me almost ended up with a seperated shoulder. It's so easy if you know how. And wrestlers do. The best way to block a punch is not to be there. Boxing does require skill, but it's a different kind of skill than wrestling. Note how a lot of the most successful competitors in the UFC have experience in amateur wrestling. It's no "dummy sport", and by saying it is when you have no idea what you're talking about is, again, making you look ignorant.

And as someone who has wrestled, I can also say that it takes an entirely different kind of drive to be a professional wrestler. I know a lot of people who have done both, and they all say that being a professional wrestler is a lot harder than what they had to do as an amateur, mostly for the fact that 1) There's no off-season, 2) The matches are longer, 3) There's more pain involved, 4) The pay sucks, 5) There are no benefits or medical coverage whatsoever (unless you're one in a million and actually make it to the WWE, in which case they pay your medical bills if you're injured on the job), 6) There's constant travel, 7) Most people in the business rarely see their families, and almost never see them more than once a week, and, possibly the biggest reason, 8 ) almost nobody gives them any respect.

Imagine, for a second, that you're a wrestler. Imagine getting thrown accidentally into the guardrail that keeps the fans back, and accidentally breaking a rib. Now imagine, for a moment, that rib punctures one of your lungs, and you're on the ground gasping for air. You don't know if you're going to live or die, all you know is that every breath feels like your lungs are on fire. Imagine all that, and then imagine some brain-dead moron in the front row yelling "get up, you phony!" in your ear the entire time. I don't think you'd find it very pleasant. Nobody would.

That's what these people go through to entertain us, and to mock them, mock what they do, just isn't right. Again, you don't have to like what they do, but you should at least respect it. I mean, I hate football but I respect what they do.

And again, to reiterate what someone else said, to say wrestling is "dumb" and "immature" really makes no sense at all, given that this is a Ninja Turtles forum and, let's be honest... it just doesn't get much more "out there" than that.

god leo could you write any less! :o

In a word...

No.

LOL! GK and Leo to come to the rescue and explain what I was thinking, and more 8) One wrestler who we should all respect is Mick Foley :) I fear that this conversation is gonna turn into a 'your picture' convo, where Tokka TRIES to sound mature, but gets off as a pre-pubescent 14 year old girl

:o :lol:

Oh, namecalling are we? What grade are we in again? :roll:

Ok Leo, I meant if a boxer and a wrestler got into a fight, a boxer would win no doubt. I mean a real fight, not one where the boxer can only use his hands (although most of the time they probly will)...and besides, boxing doesn't have all of those goofy nicknames like "The Rock". :lol: While he is explaining what he is cooking for breakfast the boxer will have ko'd him quite a bit. Oh yea, and boxing is REAL. :lol:

Yes Mick Foley is a wrestling god. And also a good writer. :lol: His books are great! And yes once you get into wrestling and real wrestling then you will realize it is a REAL job and they entertain people like any hockey game or basketball depending on what you like. And you can't just get into wrestling that easy. Takes training and commitment.

[Edit: Very nicely said Leo. Well done.]

So... did you just ignore everything he just said? Y'know except for the parts you agree with.

I disagree, Tokka. Like I've said, even in a "real" fight, the ONLY way a boxer would beat a wrestler is if the wrestler had no idea what he was doing. You think a wrestler would be dumb enough to actually stand there and let a boxer punch them in the face? The reason people think boxers are tougher than wrestlers is because boxing is a glamorized sport and wrestling is ignored except when the Olympics come around every four years. But that doesn't mean a boxer can beat a wrestler in a fight. A fistfight? Maybe, but again, only an idiot would stand there and try to trade punches.

As I've said, I've been in a lot of fights, and nobody's connected with a punch on me in years. When someone swings at you, you take them down, neutralize them, and if you have to, break the arm or dislocate it. Wrestling taught me how to do that. You think your average boxer knows how to do that? I mean they might have the general idea, but do they know how to use leverage to gain an advantage over a larger opponent? Can they use their opponent's weight against them in keeping them off-balance? Can they not only block a punch, but keep the opponent from throwing another one?

If I ever fought a boxer I'd hook his arm, take him down on the ground and dislocate his elbow, and right there I'd eliminate 90% of his offense. I really don't see how being able to punch hard gives someone any kind of advantage, especially when it's a LOT easier to take someone down in a hold than try and knock them out with a punch.

And boxing is real? Depends on who the promoter is, and if you think boxing is always 100% legit, you haven't seen ANYTHING Don King's promoted in the last ten years.

I remember the WWF actually had some boxing matches a few years back. I think Bradshaw beat a couple of professional boxers.