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TigerClaw 07-09-2013 10:01 PM

Should the Turtles swear in the new movie?
 
I was wondering, Do you think the Turtles will swear in the new movie? Raphael did in the first TMNT movie, and I dont mean swearing F bombs. But some of the more commonly used ones, Teenagers tend to swear once in a while, and characters can usually swear in a PG-13 rating.

Luckyday 07-09-2013 10:04 PM

Was there swearing like "hell" and "crap" in michael bay's transformers?

TigerClaw 07-09-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday (Post 1121318)
Was there swearing like "hell" and "crap" in michael bay's transformers?

Well, I wouldn't call those swear words, but stuff like S**t or Bulls**t

CyberCubed 07-09-2013 10:13 PM

If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:

TigerClaw 07-09-2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1121321)
If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:

Well they cant really say the MF on a PG-13 flick, But I wouldnt be surprise if we heard the S or BS word. or one yells the WTF, But it cuts off the F part.

chrisdude 07-09-2013 10:19 PM

I could see some light cursing. Possibly. Nothing outside of the realm of your average superhero movie. I really doubt they will risk any parents leaving the theater thinking, "These turtles my kid likes are pretty dirty."

Luckyday 07-09-2013 10:40 PM

I will laugh if I hear "Ninja, please".

Goon 07-09-2013 11:47 PM

I don't really have any problem with it.. They can get away with one F bomb and still get a PG-13.. For some reason they let one slide.. It really wouldn't bother me at all. Especially if its mostly Raphael.. I can't really see Leo or Donnie swearing.

FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza 07-10-2013 02:07 AM

I wouldn't call any of the language of the first movie as swearing.
If they said something like "****" I would be surprised though.

Let's not forget... Raph saying "Bitchin'" was surfer slang, not swearing.

Andrew NDB 07-10-2013 02:26 AM

If they're trying to actually sell the "teenage" part of the title then yes. Especially if we're to believe this is going to be the first actual PG-13 Turtles movie.

joefsas 07-10-2013 02:27 AM

Since when was hell considered a swear word?

Powder 07-10-2013 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza (Post 1121352)
I wouldn't call any of the language of the first movie as swearing.
If they said something like "****" I would be surprised though.

Let's not forget... Raph saying "Bitchin'" was surfer slang, not swearing.

I too would be surprised if the turtles yelled asterisk four times in succession. & Bitchin' is still swear regardless of context.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1121358)
If they're trying to actually sell the "teenage" part of the title then yes. Especially if we're to believe this is going to be the first actual PG-13 Turtles movie.

This. I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.

Refractive Reflections 07-10-2013 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1121366)
I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.

I'm somewhat agreeing with Powder, light swear words are okay if they are sparse. But having them say the f-bomb, or s-bomb, or constantly saying those light swear words are just forcing it. The fighting and violence should be leading the PG-13 rating and not competing with the level of language used in the film.

If profanity is said every 5-15 sentences, sure... they may been seen as "teenagers" but the audience is going to even further dismiss and brush aside any seriousness the movie would have. It's going to be highly ironic that these four Turtles are so disciplined in their fighting while having a sensei that strictly enforces a Japanese form of discipline, but yet these Turtles are not disciplined with their own mouths/language. :lol:

Shark_Blade 07-10-2013 04:41 AM

Kids nowadays swear a lot.

Sure, why not. They won't do it excessively like Kick-Ass anyway.

April: "Show me what you got you ****ing ****s"

RaphAndDonnie 07-10-2013 05:06 AM

I think some light swearing would be ok but I wouldn't be to disappointed if they didn't swear.

Plasticplayhouse 07-10-2013 05:52 AM

i think a "damn", "crap" and "what the hell" here and there is as far as they need to go with colorful language. the overuse of profanity is tacky and shows someone's lack of self control. there are plenty of ways to exhibit passion when speaking other than using profanity.

i think the fight intensity/violence is what will warrant the pg-13 rating.

Donatello19 07-10-2013 06:21 AM

If it's just small things like "damn" or "crap" then sure, but I don't think the turtles should be full on cursing, there's really no reason for it. This is a kids movie after all.

OrokuYoshiFilms 07-10-2013 07:14 AM

Pretty sure there'll be be swearing......Raph already covered two swears right out of the movie gate.

Galactus 07-10-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude (Post 1121323)
I could see some light cursing. Possibly. Nothing outside of the realm of your average superhero movie. I really doubt they will risk any parents leaving the theater thinking, "These turtles my kid likes are pretty dirty."

I think this is most likely.

Fourcylinder 07-10-2013 07:26 AM

Since when is crap a curse word? Anyway, I think it can be used appropriately and inappropriately. Take for instance the 1st movie. Raphael says the D*** several times, this makes sense for his character (very hotheaded). Mike and Don both say it once (more of a reflection of their teenager status) but Leo doesn't curse at all. I always took this to show that he was the most mature and in control.

As long as it isn't overdone, it doesn't have to be tacky. I don't think it is necessary to make them seem more believable as teens though ( I mean really how believable do you need to make 4 mutant turtles?)

Zulithe 07-10-2013 07:33 AM

Yes. As a kid seeing the first TMNT film and hearing them swear made them feel more real, and more teenagey to me. I know they can't have them speak the way REAL teens probably do... it'd have to be R-rated for sure :) But they should definitely try to capture the spirit of teen language which is anything but clean.

chrisdude 07-10-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19 (Post 1121385)
If it's just small things like "damn" or "crap" then sure, but I don't think the turtles should be full on cursing, there's really no reason for it. This is a kids movie after all.

If this movie is for kids, it's already doomed for having too big a budget, and no anthropomorphic anima-... hold on...

What I mean is, a movie of this size needs wide appeal to succeed. Like superhero movies, adults need to like it, too. Doesn't mean they have to curse a lot, I just hope, for the sake of the franchise, this is not a "kids movie."

Xav 07-10-2013 08:52 AM

The Transformers films had frequent use of the words: "f--k" "a--hole", "bitch", "s--t", "hell", "damn", "crap", "ass", and "d--khead". So I would expect the same thing.

sgtfbomb 07-10-2013 09:43 AM

Every other word!

Cure 07-10-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fourcylinder (Post 1121410)
Raphael says the D*** several times,

This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.

Fourcylinder 07-10-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 1121447)
This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.

whoops, I started out typing "the D word" but then changed it to D*** just left in "the" on accident. Gotta love poor editing :)

raph27 07-10-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 1121447)
This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.

Hey!
The only swearing I want:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qCmMboh...%3DqCmMbohXn6o

Discogod 07-10-2013 12:15 PM

It's funny how some of you think words like "hell", "damn" and "crap" are swearing. I think some of you would be quite shocked if you heard the type of language we use over here...:lol:

CyberCubed 07-10-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Discogod (Post 1121487)
It's funny how some of you think words like "hell", "damn" and "crap" are swearing. I think some of you would be quite shocked if you heard the type of language we use over here...:lol:

It's swearing for TMNT.

FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza 07-10-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1121366)
I too would be surprised if the turtles yelled asterisk four times in succession. & Bitchin' is still swear regardless of context.

RIGHT?!

And it never struck me as swearing and mom, who has been aware of it, never found it offensive. Maybe it's because she didn't make a fuss over it that I never considered it a "bad word" as a child nor did I use the word anyway.

Urban Dictionary says its (bitchen)"A term meaning good ; amazing ; fantabulous", "really good" or (bitchin) "similar to "awesome" or "bad ass", "radical; righteous; tubular", "Something that is very pleasing or awesome in your opinion."

"
1. Exceptionally good of its kind.
2. Of great quality.
3. Said when astonishes someone's fancy.
That tomato soup is bitchen."

But then it comes down to what a person considers a swear, as I have noticed there are people here who find "hell" and "crap" swears.

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1121366)
This. I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.

I feel the same. Do the Turtles NEED to swear? Is there an important reason why they have to? If not than it is forced.
But if the writers are conscientious about the characters and personalities than an occasional drop wouldn't be weird... especially if they are to not be stuck in the 80s. No one says "tubular" anymore. They are now teens in 2013.

But I'm hoping the PG-13 will be for violence and visuals, not so much language. They dont NEED to swear.

hitmonkey 07-10-2013 12:59 PM

Not just for the sake of it to be "cool". But, let's say Raph at one point says "Let's kick some _____". Now, no teenager, especially a hotheaded aggressive one is going to say "butt" at the end of that sentence. So if Raph says something like "Let's kick ass" or Leonardo gets frustrated and says "Damn it, Raphael", it won't bother me because it'll feel natural.

Redeemer 07-10-2013 02:47 PM

If they say D*m*, A$$, those two aren't bad, but think using B**ch is unessesary,
Generic cussing is not bad.

Luckyday 07-10-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1121496)
It's swearing for TMNT.

It's very light swearing. I mean heard words like that in a Shrek movie so it must be okay at least.

Blossombrooks 07-10-2013 04:18 PM

Mild swearing or implied swears are fine by me and would still suit a variety of ages. If a more adult word has to happen then just once for dramatic effect is the way to go. Anyone remember the Tales comic where Leo says one and Mikey says something along the lines of 'ha ha potty mouth, I'm telling Master Splinter'? I can totally see that happening.

Sword Slicin' Leo 07-10-2013 04:26 PM

FU** YEAH!! but they wont lol

Zarana-X 07-10-2013 05:49 PM

They could do like "The Fantastic Mr. Fox" and substitiute "cuss" for the actual swear word.:roll:
In the context of that movie, it was actually kinda funny, though.

Matches Malone 07-10-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by joefsas (Post 1121359)
Since when was hell considered a swear word?

I watch the early seasons of the Simpsons and laugh at how it was once taboo for Bart to say something "sucked." Those jokes probably go over most kids' heads now. So yes, hell was once considered a swear word, and still is by some, albeit by an ever-diminishing number of people.

Quality of writing obviously trumps the use of swear words. Whedon did a good job "talking like a teenager" in Buffy without necessarily always using actual slang from those times, often to hilarious lines of dialogue. Sure, realistically teenagers swear, but there are just so many more important factors that it doesn't even register for me whether or not the movie "ought" to.

chrisdude 07-10-2013 08:16 PM

I just want it to feel natural. Cursing, or not cursing, could both feel natural or unnatural, depending on how it's handled. I think the first movie did just fine with this.

Foot Soldier Clang 07-10-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1121321)
If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:

Man if Leo were to yell that on the big screen I might just die from laughing so hard! :lol:

Coola Yagami 07-10-2013 10:09 PM

More normal casual cursing, like what the hell, let's kick some ass, oh crap or whatever when in trouble. Stuff like that. Of course that doesn't mean Colonel Shroeder can't yell out '****!!' whenever his troops fail to capture the Turtles.


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