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Martin 08-11-2013 09:37 PM

Dark Leo. Could it happen?
 

So if you are caught up in the IDW comics (if you aren't please do yourself a favor and go read them) you know of a certain development that ended up bringing Leo over to the 'dark' side. Could this potentially happen on the nick show? And, if so, would you like to see it happen? I personally would love to, just to see him clad up on foot gear and fighting against his brothers. As for the reasons for the switch, I'd probably say brainwashing (or something like that) since Nick shredder is kind of an assh*le and there is really no argument that could convince you otherwise. Though teenagers can be manipulated more easily than adults, so who knows. As to why shredder would be interested in doing it, I think that the good ol' "I'm gonna take everything you hold dear away from you" still applies. Besides a Karai/Leo team up against the other turtles? God, that'd be amazing.

Thoughts?

Edit: Poll added!

CyberCubed 08-11-2013 09:44 PM

I could see them doing a brainwashed Turtle thing already, they pretty much almost already did it in, "Parasitica" already.

But honestly I prefer not too. Dark Leo is too cliche for the comics.

Eiko 08-11-2013 09:48 PM

I could see it happen but i think would be cool to see Raph turn.

Martin 08-11-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1139563)
But honestly I prefer not too. Dark Leo is too cliche for the comics.

What do you mean by 'too cliche'? Do you say it because they would be basically doing the same thing IDW did?

Refractive Reflections 08-11-2013 10:16 PM

It could be interesting, but it would take some fantastic story writing to turn such a noble character like Leo into being an accomplice for such diabolical motives and go to the "dark side". They could maybe pull off Leo being against Splinter, but it would quite a feat to be against his own brothers and to go out harming the innocent (since that's what the Foot Clan does). And knowing Leo's sense of honor, it would be nearly impossible for him to go through with it.

I highly doubt it could happen, but I would be very impressed with Ciro and the Nick writers if they could make it believable if they strum just the right heartstrings on Leo to join the Foot Clan.

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There's also another artwork of "Dark Leo" with Karai here: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...6&postcount=59
If anybody is interested in the artwork.

snake 08-11-2013 10:18 PM

It would be cool to see City Fall adapted, but not this early in the series, I'd have it in season 4 as the ? Part finale.

BabyTurtles 08-11-2013 10:23 PM

eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

...but honestly...I don't really want any of them to turn Dark...unless it's just for an episode

PApagreg 08-11-2013 10:23 PM

Please don't I always hate it when the leader/main character goes evil and somehow kicks all the assess of his/her teammates, we seen it in teen titans, xiaolin showdown, and in TMNT idw, it is my least favorite trope of any medium

BabyTurtles 08-11-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PApagreg (Post 1139603)
Please don't I always hate it when the leader/main character goes evil and somehow kicks all the assess of his/her teammates, we seen it in teen titans, xiaolin showdown, and in TMNT idw, it is my least favorite trope of any medium

yea..that's half the reason why I don't want it to happen

Refractive Reflections 08-11-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles (Post 1139602)
eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

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Originally Posted by PApagreg (Post 1139603)
Please don't I always hate it when the leader/main character goes evil and somehow kicks all the assess of his/her teammates, we seen it in teen titans, xiaolin showdown, and in TMNT idw, it is my least favorite trope of any medium

I forgot to mention that too, it's an all too predictable plot line if it happens to the most noble character and the incredible remorse that character experiences afterward.

snake 08-11-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles (Post 1139602)
eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

...but honestly...I don't really want any of them to turn Dark...unless it's just for an episode

Dark Mikey would rock.
I could just imagine him attacking his brothers and getting mad at always being treated like an idiot.

BabyTurtles 08-11-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by snakeweed101 (Post 1139617)
Dark Mikey would rock.
I could just imagine him attacking his brothers and getting mad at always being treated like an idiot.

that'd be cool...but Mikey is too good to turn evil XD
unless he's brainwashed or something.

snake 08-11-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles (Post 1139631)
that'd be cool...but Mikey is too good to turn evil XD
unless he's brainwashed or something.

He's easily convinced, though. Shredder could convince him to join the foot with Pizza and stuff. Or tell him that he won't be labeled dumb anymore.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** 08-11-2013 10:50 PM

Why is it that nobody remembers them doing this in "Back to the Sewer"? The design is even similar.


snake 08-11-2013 10:51 PM

Because no one wants to remember BTTS.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** 08-11-2013 10:58 PM

I enjoyed it just fine. People here should show more respect for the 2003 series.

Shark_Blade 08-11-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by snakeweed101 (Post 1139633)
He's easily convinced, though. Shredder could convince him to join the foot with Pizza and stuff. Or tell him that he won't be labeled dumb anymore.

:flaming: This makes me angry. I like to believe Mikey is more than those petty stuff.

Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

2k12 Leo also fell in love with a Foot ninja - Karai anyone? So he might be going to the other side soon too...:ohwell: It is indeed a possibility.

Ashwolf 08-11-2013 11:32 PM

tbh, im kinda hoping 4 something like that cause I like the whole "conquering the dark side within" thing

BabyTurtles 08-11-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade (Post 1139672)
:flaming: This makes me angry. I like to believe Mikey is more than those petty stuff.

Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

2k12 Leo also fell in love with a Foot ninja - Karai anyone? So he might be going to the other side soon too...:ohwell: It is indeed a possibility.

aww but it would be so much cooler if it happened to 1 the other 3 turtles instead.

Electric 08-11-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade (Post 1139672)
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Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

not the weakest, the strongest per say with his leadership, which is why it happens alot, the strongest becoming corrupt is a popular plot, for many shows

Cure 08-12-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 1139569)
What do you mean by 'too cliche'? Do you say it because they would be basically doing the same thing IDW did?

Cliche means something that happens so much that it loses its appeal. In this case, a "dark" character is waaaaaay overdone. Dark Link, Dark Pit, Dark Sonic (Shadow the Hedgehog), Evil Ryu, etc. And that's just video games.

Yorae 08-12-2013 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ***The One True Shredder*** (Post 1139634)
Why is it that nobody remembers them doing this in "Back to the Sewer"? The design is even similar.


BttS was the first thing that came to mind when I learned they were doing a Dark Leo story. It was interesting that Raph was the one to have difficulty converting back in that episode, which makes me sort of want to see him go Dark. He has the most raw power, so it would be intense to see him go against his brothers without restrain.

BabyTurtles 08-12-2013 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorae (Post 1139707)
BttS was the first thing that came to mind when I learned they were doing a Dark Leo story. It was interesting that Raph was the one to have difficulty converting back in that episode, which makes me sort of want to see him go Dark. He has the most raw power, so it would be intense to see him go against his brothers without restrain.

that'd be cool *_* dark Raph...I like it~

Martin 08-12-2013 02:26 AM

Uhm yeah I guess it is something that is done a lot in this kind of show. The ep from BTTS in which they turned gotta be one of the few eps I truly liked from that season.

Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes sides to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep. I feel that way this could work and not feel like something that's been done too many times in the past.

I only suggested Leo for the change since he is the only one I could see turning. Dark raph sounds pretty cool though.

Ashwolf 08-12-2013 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 1139764)
Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes side to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep.

it would be interesting if it lasted more than 1 ep

JTH 08-12-2013 03:56 AM

If it's anything like what was done in "The Apprentice" from Teen Titans, I'd be all for it. :D

Avatar Yuffie 08-12-2013 04:30 AM

Evil clone a la Fast Forward? Yes.

Brainwashed and Crazy? The show already did this with Karai, so I doubt it.

victory_angel 08-12-2013 06:00 AM

I can see evil and twisted clones of the turtles serving on the side of the Foot.

In TCRI there was a perfectly good opportunity for the Kraang to take some DNA samples from the Turtles when they were unconscious.

Powder 08-12-2013 06:03 AM

The part of me that loves his new design in IDW says bring it on, but that's just because I'd love to see Nick Leo wearing all of that awesome apparel. Do I really want that to happen in the show story-wise? Not really, no. As others have said, it's cliche.

BubblyShell22 08-12-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 1139764)
Uhm yeah I guess it is something that is done a lot in this kind of show. The ep from BTTS in which they turned gotta be the one of the few eps I truly liked from that season.

Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes side to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep. I feel that way this could work and not feel like something that's been done too many times in the past.

I only suggested Leo for the change since he is the only one I could see turning. Dark raph sounds pretty cool though.

Now this sounds like a good take on it and something that definitely could be done. I'd love for it to be Leo because I'm biased like that, but I think Dark Raph would also be cool or any of the others.

Martin 08-12-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1139800)
The part of me that loves his new design in IDW says bring it on, but that's just because I'd love to see Nick Leo wearing all of that awesome apparel. Do I really want that to happen in the show story-wise? Not really, no. As others have said, it's cliche.

My thoughts exactly :lol:

I guess if they eventually wound up wearing armor for a special battle, the same level of awesomeness could be achieved without anyone having to switch sides.

Btw, when are we getting a dark leo toy from the comics? Those would sell like crazy :P

biganimefan 08-12-2013 10:41 AM

Dark Leo would be interesting but we already have that for IDW and kinda in season 4 of the 2003 series. I would like to see a Dark Mikey as a few fans have suggested. I think it would give him some much needed character growth even if it's for only an episode(would prefer at least 2 or 3 to explore that better though). Dark Donnie would also be interesting.

NinjaMan 08-12-2013 10:54 AM

I hope not. I don't like IDW direction for the Turtles. Let's keep their ideas to that book.

Shark_Blade 08-12-2013 11:23 AM

Are Mike or Don being "dark" are not worthy? :sad:

It'll be interesting to be honest, an unexpected turn of event. We could see brute Raph and swayed leader Leo turned to the dark side. But no one suspects the brain or the jokester to turn sinister. It'll be devastating. :evil:

Electric 08-12-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jth (Post 1139785)
If it's anything like what was done in "The Apprentice" from Teen Titans, I'd be all for it. :D

that was my first thought when i saw this, and if it is done i would hope its like that!

But i really dont see that in this series, shredder seems to just want to kill them, if he gets his hands on a turtle i cant see him taking time to brainwash/convert them.

So, yeah id like it to happen, but no, i dont think it will

LittleBlueHero 08-12-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade (Post 1139903)
But no one suspects the brain or the jokester to turn sinister. It'll be devastating. :evil:

I can see Don going rogue in season 2. Casey shows up and April falls head over heels for him and his "Vigilante Bad Boy Personality" and in effort to win over April's affections Donnie attempts to become a vigilante himself (The Dark Turtle).

When it doesn't actually work he is heartbroken and runs off only to be consoled by Karai... you see where this is going :)

Luigiperps 08-12-2013 12:40 PM

I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

Electric 08-12-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Luigiperps (Post 1139938)
I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

like it, but how many brainwashing episodes do we need, we already had splinter brainwashed by rat king, leo, raph and donnie brainwashed by the wasp and kirby brainwashed by the shredder. just one reason i feel we'll not have a dark turtle in this series.

We've already seen them fight their master, each other and kinda fight a friend, i think theyre all brainwashed out

BabyTurtles 08-12-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Luigiperps (Post 1139938)
I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

I'm all for brainwashed Mikey XD or dark Mikey whatever

it'd be totally unexpected and the other turtles wouldn't know what to do.

Donatello19 08-12-2013 01:23 PM

No. I can't imagine him joining Shredder anyway. And if they do make a turtle join the dark side, it should be someone else.


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